Ukraine 4

[kevindavis007]

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.

I wonder how effective are their Nukes.

[kevindavis007]

Hmmmmm

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1675541977570353153

[Kamaji]

I wonder how effective are their Nukes.

There are probably a lot of duds in their arsenal, but I would still rather not have them try lobbing them at other people just to find out.

[PeteS in CA]

Primorsko-Akhtarsk is on the southeast coast of the Sea of Azov. It could be a base from which CAS and supplies could be sent to orcish defenses and forces defending Melitopol, Berdyansk, Mariupol, Taganrog, and Donetsk.

[Kamaji]

Russia 'fears Wagner fighters are plotting attack on £3billion Crimean Bridge' with tourists flocking to Black Sea peninsula queuing for up to seven hours as guards search every car for explosives

Tourists flocking to popular Black Sea peninsula faced strict security checks
Russia fears a deadly new bomb attack from Wagner following a blast in October

By ARTHUR PARASHAR and WILL STEWART
2 July 2023

Russia has fears that Wagner fighters are plotting an attack on the £3billion Crimean Bridge, it has been claimed - as tourists flocking to the Black Sea peninsula faced queues of up to seven hours while guards search every car for explosives.

Intense security checks were imposed over the weekend as passengers attempted to make their way across the ten-mile-long bridge linking annexed Crimea to the Russian mainland.

Moscow is understood to be on high alert amid fears that disgruntled Wagner rebels could plot an attack after their mercenary army was axed by Vladimir Putin in the wake of their mutiny.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12256645/Russia-fears-Wagner-fighters-plotting-attack-3billion-Crimean-Bridge.html

[sneakypete]

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.

@Kamaji

I think it is more correct to write "Never accuse the SOVIETS of being too smart." The Russians I have met and known were some pretty sharp people,but they understand the system they live under and that they MUST keep their political opinions to themselves while pretending to follow Soviet doctrine. After all,it's not like Free Speech is allowed there.

If you want to get promoted instead of demoted/sent to a labor camp,you "officially" follow the "Official train of thought".

[PeteS in CA]

Wagnerites and anti-Putin groups and Ukrainians, oh my!

How'd you like to be a Russian Army supply convoy sitting for several hours in that queue, visible from miles away to Ukrainian observers and drones?

[sneakypete]

Holy CRAP! That is one hell of an explosive crater!

Looks like one of the Ukrainian bombs or rockets scored a bullseye on a munitions storage area.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Kamaji

I think it is more correct to write "Never accuse the SOVIETS of being too smart." The Russians I have met and known were some pretty sharp people,but they understand the system they live under and that they MUST keep their political opinions to themselves while pretending to follow Soviet doctrine. After all,it's not like Free Speech is allowed there.

If you want to get promoted instead of demoted/sent to a labor camp,you "officially" follow the "Official train of thought".

Sounds a lot like my County Republican Party.  Its more Soviet than American Republic.  Do what the Chairman says or STFU.  This is why Mrs. Liberty and I declined to be reelected to leadership.  I can't sit in the chair next to a Chairman like that.

[Hoodat]

Dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed in missile strikes as they crossed the Dnipro River amid a deadly counteroffensive, the Russian-appointed governor of the Kherson region in southern Ukraine said.

An Iskander missile, which is a short-range missile that travels at hypersonic speeds, killed at least 30 Ukrainian fighters and injured a dozen other, Vladimir Saldo said Friday on Telegram.

Vladimir Saldo is a lying collaborating POS.  Ukrainian troops have taken up positions in the village on the south shore of the Antonovsky Bridge.  The only way for Russian troops to assault this position is on the main road/bridge across the marsh.  The Russians have taken heavy losses attempting this.  The village curves around an open area exposing the road to an arc of hostile fire, making it virtually impossible to successfully assault it from this one road.  In frustration, the Russians fired an Iskander missile at the area. The missile struck right by the highway in the empty area 'killing field' and did not land near any Ukrainian troops holding positions inside the village.  The 'thirty casualties' figure is possible, but Saldo's claims that the bridgehead has been eliminated are false.

[kevindavis007]

There are probably a lot of duds in their arsenal, but I would still rather not have them try lobbing them at other people just to find out.

That is my attitude as well

[sneakypete]

That is my attitude as well

@kevindavis007

Mass and velocity have a destructive impact force of their own. You can multiply that  by the debris field created by  whatever they strike,if they strike anything.

[Kamaji]

Russia defense chief Sergei Shoigu breaks silence on Wagner revolt

By Ryan King   
July 3, 2023

Vladimir Putin’s defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, commended the “loyalty” of Russia’s armed forces in his first known public remarks on the Wagner Group uprising that sought his ouster.

“This [was] an attempt to destabilize the situation in Russia on June 23-25,” Shoigu told military leadership on a conference call, according to a translation from Russian state news agency RIA Novosti.

“These plans failed primarily because the personnel of the armed forces showed loyalty to the oath and military duty.”

The 68-year-old also downplayed the ramifications of the rebellion on Russia’s war efforts in Ukraine before voicing gratitude to Moscow’s military “for their conscientious service.”

Shoigu repeatedly drew the ire of Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin, who accused the defense chief of incompetence and failing to support the mercenary force before directing his men to march toward Moscow late last month.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/03/putins-defense-chief-breaks-silence-on-wagner-revolt/

[PeteS in CA]

I guess he's not swimming with the beluga sturgeons.

[Hoodat]

Commander of Russia's Akhmat unit killed in Donbas – Russian media

Mon, July 3, 2023 at 7:44 AM CDT

Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.

Dmitry Kulko, a Russian war correspondent, also reported the death of Pisarenko, aka Velikii ("The Great"), on his Telegram channel.

"Velikii (The Great) was a fellow countryman of mine who served in the Stavropol riot police and received the rank of colonel.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/commander-russias-akhmat-unit-killed-124413239.html

[Hoodat]

Update on Antonovsky Bridge bridgehead:

[Kamaji]

Commander of Russia's Akhmat unit killed in Donbas – Russian media

Mon, July 3, 2023 at 7:44 AM CDT

Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.

Dmitry Kulko, a Russian war correspondent, also reported the death of Pisarenko, aka Velikii ("The Great"), on his Telegram channel.

"Velikii (The Great) was a fellow countryman of mine who served in the Stavropol riot police and received the rank of colonel.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/commander-russias-akhmat-unit-killed-124413239.html

Good news.

[sneakypete]

Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.

@Kamaji

Something is wrong about this. High ranking  officers are almost never exposed to enemy fire.

[Kamaji]

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin emerges from exile to thank ‘March of Justice’ supporters, promise ‘victories’

By Isabel Keane   
July 4, 2023

Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin emerged Monday more than a week after his mercenary group’s failed rebellion against the Russian government to express gratitude for those who supported his group’s mission.

Prigozhin thanked those who supported the group’s failed uprising in an audio message shared to Telegram, noting that their “March of Justice” was “aimed at fighting traitors and mobilizing our society.”

“In the near future, I am sure that you will see our next victories at the front. Thanks guys!” he said.

Late last month Prigozhin concocted a plan to capture Russia’s top military officials, ordering his mercenary group to march from Ukraine into Russia during a visit to the region near Ukraine’s border.

Two days before the visit Russia’s Federal Security Service discovered Prigozhin’s plot, prompting him to send a few thousand Wagner fighters toward Moscow.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/yevgeny-prigozhin-releases-new-message-thanking-march-of-justice-supporters/

[Kamaji]

These fierce Russian mercenary groups are ready to take Wagner’s place after failed rebellion

By Isabel Vincent   
July 4, 2023

When paramilitaries from the feared Wagner Group took cover in Belarus after their failed mutiny against the Kremlin last month, dozens of other mercenary groups were already poised to take their place in the Ukrainian conflict.

Mercenaries from Redut, Slavonic Corps and E.N.O.T, among dozens of others, have already been spotted fighting in the Russian invasion of Ukraine that began last year, according to reports.

Mercenaries from Redut, also known as Redut-Anti-Terror are among the most prominent, and were some of the first to enter the conflict in Ukraine, according to Russian news reports.

The group, whose Russian-language name means “Redoubt,” has been active in Syria where soldiers have been involved in guarding facilities for a construction conglomerate controlled by Russian billionaire Gennady Timchenko.

Some of the group’s mercenaries, which were recruited on Russian social media platforms, have been convicted of war crimes during the invasion, according to the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/these-russian-mercenaries-are-ready-to-take-wagner-groups-place/

[DB]

These fierce Russian mercenary groups are ready to take Wagner’s place after failed rebellion

By Isabel Vincent   
July 4, 2023

When paramilitaries from the feared Wagner Group took cover in Belarus after their failed mutiny against the Kremlin last month, dozens of other mercenary groups were already poised to take their place in the Ukrainian conflict.

Mercenaries from Redut, Slavonic Corps and E.N.O.T, among dozens of others, have already been spotted fighting in the Russian invasion of Ukraine that began last year, according to reports.

Mercenaries from Redut, also known as Redut-Anti-Terror are among the most prominent, and were some of the first to enter the conflict in Ukraine, according to Russian news reports.

The group, whose Russian-language name means “Redoubt,” has been active in Syria where soldiers have been involved in guarding facilities for a construction conglomerate controlled by Russian billionaire Gennady Timchenko.

Some of the group’s mercenaries, which were recruited on Russian social media platforms, have been convicted of war crimes during the invasion, according to the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/these-russian-mercenaries-are-ready-to-take-wagner-groups-place/

If these other groups were already fighting in Ukraine then they aren't really replacing anyone. And regardless of where they come from, they are stuck with same lack of modern weapons the Russians face.

[Hoodat]

Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT



Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has again warned Russia may be planning to “simulate an attack” the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, claiming that Russian troops have placed “objects resembling explosives” on the roofs of buildings at the site.

Citing Ukrainian intelligence, Zelenskiy said the objects had been positioned on the roof of several power units of the power plant that is currently held by Russia.

Earlier on Tuesday, Zelenskiy briefed the French president, Emmanuel Macron, on Russia’s “dangerous provocations” at the plant in south-eastern Ukraine. He said he and Macron had “agreed keep the situation under maximum control together with the IAEA”, the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

Zelenskiy’s warnings echo comments he made last week at a joint news conference in Kyiv with the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez. “There is a serious threat because Russia is technically ready to provoke a local explosion at the station, which could lead to a [radiation] release,” Zelenskiy said at the time.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy

[Cyber Liberty]

Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT

And Russia says Zelenskyy has planted explosives on the nuke roofs.  Fun, eh?

[DB]

And Russia says Zelenskyy has planted explosives on the nuke roofs.  Fun, eh?

Doesn't Russia currently have control of the site?

[Smokin Joe]

Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT



Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has again warned Russia may be planning to “simulate an attack” the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, claiming that Russian troops have placed “objects resembling explosives” on the roofs of buildings at the site.

Citing Ukrainian intelligence, Zelenskiy said the objects had been positioned on the roof of several power units of the power plant that is currently held by Russia.

Earlier on Tuesday, Zelenskiy briefed the French president, Emmanuel Macron, on Russia’s “dangerous provocations” at the plant in south-eastern Ukraine. He said he and Macron had “agreed keep the situation under maximum control together with the IAEA”, the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

Zelenskiy’s warnings echo comments he made last week at a joint news conference in Kyiv with the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez. “There is a serious threat because Russia is technically ready to provoke a local explosion at the station, which could lead to a [radiation] release,” Zelenskiy said at the time.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy

Meh. Macron can't control Paris.

[Kamaji]

Huge fireball erupts as Russian ammo depot is destroyed and Ukraine reports 'particularly fruitful' few days in its counteroffensive...but Zelensky warns Putin's men have MINED nuclear power plant

Ukraine is continuing to make advances in the south and around Bakhmut
But fears are rising of a Russian attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station

By CHRIS JEWERS
5 July 2023

A huge fireball erupted in occupied Ukraine last night as a Russian ammunition depot was destroyed in a 'monstrous explosion', dramatic footage has shown.

Video of the depot's destruction came after Kyiv said its counteroffensive against Vladimir Putin's forces has been 'particularly fruitful' in recent days, and as other clips from the frontlines emerged showing brutal trench combat.

A senior security official said the country's troops are fulfilling their main tasks as they continue to fight against Moscow's forces that have dug in across hundreds of miles of Ukrainian territory in the south and east.

The comments by Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, were Kyiv's latest positive assessment of the month-old counterattack - although Russia has not acknowledged Ukraine's gains.

Kyiv has admitted that its progress has been slowed by Russian defences, with Putin's forces laying mines across swathes of land in order to prevent Kyiv's tanks from making the same rapid advances that were seen this time last year.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12265609/Huge-fireball-erupts-Russian-ammo-depot-destroyed-Ukraine-continues-counteroffensive.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

[240B]

When 12 year old girls are abducted and raped to death, then dumped, that is an exact replay of Nazi Germany 1930s/1940s. The Russians claim to be fighting 'NAZIs', but they are the ones acting like them.

[kevindavis007]

Huge fireball erupts as Russian ammo depot is destroyed and Ukraine reports 'particularly fruitful' few days in its counteroffensive...but Zelensky warns Putin's men have MINED nuclear power plant

Ukraine is continuing to make advances in the south and around Bakhmut
But fears are rising of a Russian attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station

By CHRIS JEWERS
5 July 2023

A huge fireball erupted in occupied Ukraine last night as a Russian ammunition depot was destroyed in a 'monstrous explosion', dramatic footage has shown.

Video of the depot's destruction came after Kyiv said its counteroffensive against Vladimir Putin's forces has been 'particularly fruitful' in recent days, and as other clips from the frontlines emerged showing brutal trench combat.

A senior security official said the country's troops are fulfilling their main tasks as they continue to fight against Moscow's forces that have dug in across hundreds of miles of Ukrainian territory in the south and east.

The comments by Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, were Kyiv's latest positive assessment of the month-old counterattack - although Russia has not acknowledged Ukraine's gains.

Kyiv has admitted that its progress has been slowed by Russian defences, with Putin's forces laying mines across swathes of land in order to prevent Kyiv's tanks from making the same rapid advances that were seen this time last year.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12265609/Huge-fireball-erupts-Russian-ammo-depot-destroyed-Ukraine-continues-counteroffensive.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

I hope to god this isn't true.

[PeteS in CA]

The orcs claim Ukraine has mined the nuclear plant, but since the orcs occupy it, that claim is less than dubious.

[kevindavis007]

The orcs claim Ukraine has mined the nuclear plant, but since the orcs occupy it, that claim is less than dubious.

I'm sure a lot of people on the TOS would believe it.

[DB]

I hope to god this isn't true.

It was a Russian ammo dump.

[Kamaji]

Ukraine now has MORE tanks than Russia thanks to allies boosting their numbers while thousands of Putin's vehicles have been destroyed, data suggests

Russia now has around 1,400 tanks while Ukraine has 1,500, latest data suggests
Moscow started the war with more than 3,000 but has suffered heavy losses

By CHRIS JEWERS
6 July 2023

Ukraine now has more tanks available than Russia in a dramatic reversal of battlefield advantage, according to the latest data.

Kyiv have received deliveries of hundreds of heavy weapons from its western allies in recent months. Meanwhile, Moscow has seen thousands of its tanks destroyed or captured by Ukraine since Vladimir Putin launched his invasion 16 months ago.

As a result, an analysis of the latest data on losses and gains by Bloomberg suggests that Ukraine now has more tanks at its disposal than Russia does.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12271625/Ukraine-tanks-Russia-data-suggests.html

[Kamaji]

Ukraine slows counteroffensive to ‘gradually wear down’ Russian troops, liberate towns

By Snejana Farberov
July 6, 2023

Ukraine’s forces appear to be pivoting toward a strategy of “slow and steady wins the race” in their counteroffensive — opting to conserve manpower at the expense of slower territorial gains, according to analysts.

Kyiv’s troops have been focusing on “gradually wearing down Russian manpower and equipment,” according to the latest assessment of the situation on the front lines from a Washington-based think tank The Institute for the Study of War.

But the analysts noted that “the current pace of Ukrainian operations is not indicative of a stalemate or evidence that Ukraine cannot retake large areas.”

The assessment echoes recent comments made by President Volodymyr Zelensky, who stressed that Ukraine’s goal is to liberate all the occupied territories while preserving as many lives as possible — even if that means that the progress would be slower than desired.

“We cannot throw people [into battle]. We do not treat them as a commodity, the way Russia treats their people,” Zelensky told Spanish reporters last week. “Our people are our treasure. That is why we are being careful.”

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/06/ukraine-slows-down-counteroffensive-to-preserve-troops/

[mystery-ak]

Report: Joe Biden to Supply Ukraine with Controversial Cluster Bombs
Sean Moran


President Joe Biden is expected to supply Ukraine with cluster bombs, which much of the world has vowed not to use due to their long-term effects on civilians.

A senior Biden administration official told the New York Times that the United States will provide Ukraine with cluster munitions after Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky pushed for America to provide the country with the controversial and widely-banned weapon.

Cluster munitions are a category of rockets, bombs, missiles, and artillery projectiles that break apart in the air and blanket a large area. The munitions often fail and can devastate civilians.

Humanitarian groups state that a fifth or more of the munitions can linger and harm civilians years after the conflict. More than 100 countries have signed the Convention of Cluster Munitions, promising not to use them. However, Russia, the United States, and Ukraine have not signed the treaty.

Ukraine has claimed that cluster munitions would help its counteroffensive against Russia.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/07/06/report-joe-biden-to-supply-ukraine-with-controversial-cluster-bombs/

[Kamaji]

Former US officials met privately with Russia for Ukraine peace talks: report

By Caitlin Doornbos   
July 6, 2023

WASHINGTON – Three former US national security officials met privately with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in New York earlier this year, hoping to lay the groundwork for possible negotiations to end Moscow’s war on Ukraine.

The April talk – which was intended to be kept confidential, but was reported by NBC News Thursday – revolved around potential off-ramps for the conflict.

Topics reportedly included the fate of Russian-held Ukrainian territory that Kyiv may not be able to liberate in its current counteroffensive.

The officials, who spoke to Lavrov with the Biden administration’s knowledge but not at its direction, held the meeting to keep communications open with the Kremlin and search for opportunities for future compromise that could be used in negotiations, according to NBC — which cited four former and two current US officials in its report.

The discussion, which lasted for several hours, occurred while Lavrov was in the US for a meeting of the United Nations Security Council.

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/06/former-us-officials-met-privately-with-russia-for-ukraine-peace-talks-report/

[Timber Rattler]

Here's the original story.  Sounds like a bunch former State Department hacks engaged in some wishcasting.

Former U.S. officials have held secret Ukraine talks with prominent Russia

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/former-us-officials-secret-ukraine-talks-russians-war-ukraine-rcna92610

[Timber Rattler]

Ukraine gained advantage in war against Putin with custom-built AI: 'unprecedented testing ground'

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-gained-advantage-war-putin-custom-built-ai-unprecedented-testing-ground

Ukraine has developed and implemented its own artificial intelligence (AI) platforms under the most stringent conditions to create something beyond what Western militaries have considered possible.

"The Ukrainians are doing a ton of stuff," Brett Velicovich, a Fox News contributor embedded in Ukraine, told Fox News Digital. "I mean, this innovation on the battlefield is out of this world right now. And, honestly, the U.S. government, Western governments, have no idea the innovation that's taking place.

"They can't keep up with it," he added. "The Ukrainians are moving too fast."

AI has quietly played a significant role in how Ukraine has managed to perform so well against a larger and seemingly stronger opponent in Russia, providing the smaller nation a wide range of advantages it might not otherwise have.

National Defense magazine called the Ukraine war an "unprecedented testing ground for AI," with the "now-ubiquitous employment of drones and loitering munitions by both sides" and "AI-enhanced autonomous capabilities in flight, targeting and firing."

George Dubynskiy, deputy minister of digital transformation in Ukraine, told Fox News Digital part of the key is the fact the country decided to create its own AI platform, which allowed engineers to tailor it to a spec.

EXCERPT

Not surprising considering that some of the world's top video game and software programmers are located in Ukraine.

[mystery-ak]

 White House weighs Ukraine powerful ‘war crime’ cluster munitions in stunning reversal
By Caitlin Doornbos   
July 6, 2023 8:27pm

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration is expected to announce it will send Ukraine cluster munitions for its ongoing counteroffensive against Russia — a brutal weapon that the White House only last year declared could constitute a “war crime” if used.

The US for the first time is mulling sending Ukraine dual-purpose improved conventional munitions, chief Pentagon spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Thursday, without confirming reports that the decision has already been made.

The powerful artillery shells release dozens of smaller explosive submunitions, increasing lethality as they spread to hit multiple targets, similar to how multiple pellets spread from a single shotgun shell.

The move would reverse prior Biden administration concerns about sending such systems, dubbed “cluster munitions,” over the nearly year-and-a-half-long war.

In February 2022, just days into the bloody invasion, former White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that using the weapons, known to kill and maim civilians, was a potential war crime.

“We have seen the reports. If that were true, it would potentially be a war crime,” Psaki responded to questions about reports that Russia was deploying the munitions in Ukraine.

While using cluster munitions in conflict on enemy fighters is allowed under the laws of war, deploying them on the general population is a war crime.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/07/06/us-mulls-sending-ukraine-cluster-munitions-for-counteroffensive-against-russia/

[PeteS in CA]

...
While using cluster munitions in conflict on enemy fighters is allowed under the laws of war, deploying them on the general population is a war crime.
...

Unlike Russia, Ukraine uses its munitions against military targets, at the front and against logistics. Russia launches missiles at and uses drones against random civilians in major Ukrainian cities. Ukraine knows to use its limited military assets with some degree of care.

[Hoodat]

Former U.S. officials have held secret Ukraine talks with prominent Russia

In other news, U.K. officials held secret Czechoslovakia talks with prominent Germany.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

C'mon, man, don't Neville Chamberlain the Ukranians.

The key to beating the Russians is to spike their vodka supply with laxatives and ipecac.

[libertybele]

Report: Joe Biden to Supply Ukraine with Controversial Cluster Bombs
Sean Moran


President Joe Biden is expected to supply Ukraine with cluster bombs, which much of the world has vowed not to use due to their long-term effects on civilians.

A senior Biden administration official told the New York Times that the United States will provide Ukraine with cluster munitions after Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky pushed for America to provide the country with the controversial and widely-banned weapon.

Cluster munitions are a category of rockets, bombs, missiles, and artillery projectiles that break apart in the air and blanket a large area. The munitions often fail and can devastate civilians.

Humanitarian groups state that a fifth or more of the munitions can linger and harm civilians years after the conflict. More than 100 countries have signed the Convention of Cluster Munitions, promising not to use them. However, Russia, the United States, and Ukraine have not signed the treaty.

Ukraine has claimed that cluster munitions would help its counteroffensive against Russia.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/07/06/report-joe-biden-to-supply-ukraine-with-controversial-cluster-bombs/

So ... Brandon is doing exactly what Z wants him to do.  No treaty was signed between Russia and Ukraine, not the U.S., but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do!   

[sneakypete]

White House weighs Ukraine powerful ‘war crime’ cluster munitions in stunning reversal
By Caitlin Doornbos   
July 6, 2023 8:27pm

The powerful artillery shells release dozens of smaller explosive submunitions, increasing lethality as they spread to hit multiple targets, similar to how multiple pellets spread from a single shotgun shell.

 

@mystery-ak

They also come  in bombs,called "cluster bombs" by the US Military. Not all are explosive on impact. Some of the  "bomblets" (a cluster bomb is  a  shell that is filled with  small bomblets maybe the size of a baseball or a softball,and they roll a certain distance before they explode). Some even lay around and wait for a certain amoun of body head by a human or big animal to activate them,and they explode when they sense the heat source moving away.

BIG TIME anti-personnel bombs that are designed to break up  massed enemy attacks.
Some come loaded with CS gas.

[Kamaji]

So ... Brandon is doing exactly what Z wants him to do.  No treaty was signed between Russia and Ukraine, not the U.S., but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do!   

Huh?  The U.S. is willing to provide Ukraine with munitions they've requested - which the Russian nazis are already using - so that Ukraine can defend itself from the orcs.  What is the problem with that?  It is precisely the right thing to do.  Just because it is Biden doing it does not ipso facto make it the wrong thing to do.

[libertybele]

Huh?  The U.S. is willing to provide Ukraine with munitions they've requested - which the Russian nazis are already using - so that Ukraine can defend itself from the orcs.  What is the problem with that?  It is precisely the right thing to do.  Just because it is Biden doing it does not ipso facto make it the wrong thing to do.

No, not because it's Brandon doing it,    It's wrong because most of the world has vowed not to use them for a reason.

Anything Z wants, Z gets from the U.S.  I think he's good at using propaganda. Who knows if Z is telling the truth about Russia.

Again, it is their war.  Not ours.

[sneakypete]

No, not because it's Brandon doing it,    It's wrong because most of the world has vowed not to use them for a reason.

Anything Z wants, Z gets from the U.S.  I think he's good at using propaganda. Who knows if Z is telling the truth about Russia.

Again, it is their war.  Not ours.

@libertybele

I remember reading about people like you who claimed WW-1 AND WW-2 were "not our wars".

Name some wars that "WERE" "OUR Wars",

BTW,last time I checked,which was earlier today,the US was NOT involved in the fighting in Ukraine.


YOUR POST WAS EDITED BY ME...STOP THE NAME CALLING

[Timber Rattler]

Hey everybody, welcome @MeganC over from TOS!  She got zinged by JR yesterday on behalf of that self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrite Allegra.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I remember reading about people like you who claimed WW-1 AND WW-2 were "not our wars".

Name some wars that "WERE" "OUR Wars",or admit  to being a  Surrender Monkey.

BTW,last time I checked,which was earlier today,the US was NOT involved in the fighting in Ukraine.

Gee @sneakypete I wasn't around for WWI nor WWII and I'd like not to experience WWIII as I don't see this World surviving.

BTW I never stated that the U.S. was involved in the fighting in Ukraine; but providing them with billions in aid and munitions needs to stop and yes, I'll repeat it again -- this is their war.  A war that has been on going for decades.  Continuing to feed this very expensive monster that is crippling us is just plain wrong.

The fall of Russia ... hmm...  I wonder who is going to swoop in and benefit from all their natural resources and land?

[libertybele]

Hey everybody, welcome @MeganC over from TOS!  She got zinged by JR yesterday on behalf of that self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrite Allegra.

Welcome to The Briefing Room @MeganC   I think you will enjoy this forum. 

[sneakypete]

Gee @sneakypete I wasn't around for WWI nor WWII and I'd like not to experience WWIII as I don't see this World surviving.

BTW I never stated that the U.S. was involved in the fighting in Ukraine; but providing them with billions in aid and munitions needs to stop and yes, I'll repeat it again -- this is their war. A war that has been on going for decades.  Continuing to feed this very expensive monster that is crippling us is just plain wrong.

The fall of Russia ... hmm...  I wonder who is going to swoop in and benefit from all their natural resources and land?

@libertybele

We actually have a very good chance of destroying the Communist control over Russia,thus eliminating our most dangerous potential enemy without losing a single US soldier in combat,and you want to whine about it.

You didn't edit enough...stop the name-calling