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« Reply #200 on: May 30, 2023, 11:05:47 am »
Ulyanovsk (Lenin's actual family name was Ulyanov) is quite a way from Ukraine, farther than Moscow. OTOH, it isn't too far from oil fields.

I hope the drones in Moscow are from anti-Putin partisans. Ukrainian drones are better used against orcish vehicles and brigand orcs.
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« Reply #201 on: May 30, 2023, 11:19:42 am »
Ulyanovsk (Lenin's actual family name was Ulyanov) is quite a way from Ukraine, farther than Moscow. OTOH, it isn't too far from oil fields.

I hope the drones in Moscow are from anti-Putin partisans. Ukrainian drones are better used against orcish vehicles and brigand orcs.

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« Reply #202 on: May 30, 2023, 03:13:10 pm »
Russia issues arrest warrants for top Ukrainian commanders after Moscow drone strikes

By Snejana Farberov
May 30, 2023

Russia on Tuesday issued arrest warrants for Ukraine’s two top military commanders — hours after Moscow was hit with an unprecedented barrage of drone strikes that President Vladimir Putin described as Kyiv’s attempt to provoke and intimidate his regime.

Commander-in-Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Ukrainian military’s top general, and Oleksandr Syrskyi, the commander of Ukrainian ground forces, were placed on the Russian Interior Ministry’s “wanted” list, the state-run RIA news agency reported.

The report did not indicate what charges the Ukrainian commanders are facing.

The Investigative Committee of Russia is also probing Syrskyi and Zaluzhnyi for the shelling of “civilians and civilian facilities” in the contested Donbas region of Ukraine.

Ukrainian drones struck wealthy districts of Moscow on Tuesday, in what one politician called the most dangerous attack since World War II, while Kyiv was also hit from the air for the third time in 24 hours.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/05/30/russia-issues-warrants-for-kyiv-generals-after-drone-strikes/

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« Reply #203 on: May 30, 2023, 03:24:24 pm »
Russia issues arrest warrants for top Ukrainian commanders after Moscow drone strikes

By Snejana Farberov
May 30, 2023

Russia on Tuesday issued arrest warrants for Ukraine’s two top military commanders — hours after Moscow was hit with an unprecedented barrage of drone strikes that President Vladimir Putin described as Kyiv’s attempt to provoke and intimidate his regime.

Commander-in-Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Ukrainian military’s top general, and Oleksandr Syrskyi, the commander of Ukrainian ground forces, were placed on the Russian Interior Ministry’s “wanted” list, the state-run RIA news agency reported.

The report did not indicate what charges the Ukrainian commanders are facing.

The Investigative Committee of Russia is also probing Syrskyi and Zaluzhnyi for the shelling of “civilians and civilian facilities” in the contested Donbas region of Ukraine.

Ukrainian drones struck wealthy districts of Moscow on Tuesday, in what one politician called the most dangerous attack since World War II, while Kyiv was also hit from the air for the third time in 24 hours.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/05/30/russia-issues-warrants-for-kyiv-generals-after-drone-strikes/

The irony is too much.

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« Reply #204 on: May 30, 2023, 03:37:22 pm »
The irony is too much.

Indeed.

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« Reply #205 on: May 30, 2023, 03:46:11 pm »
Arrest warrants issued!

Oh wait, that's in Ukraine.  Nevermind.

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« Reply #206 on: May 30, 2023, 06:28:48 pm »
War comes to Putin's doorstep: Wealthy Moscow region is hit by kamikaze drones 'with blasts within earshot of Vladimir's official residence' 'in revenge for attacks on Ukrainian capital'

Moscow was under siege early today from suspected Ukrainian drone attacks
It came just hours after Putin unleashed a volley of suicide drones at Kyiv

By RACHAEL BUNYAN  and WILL STEWART
30 May 2023

Moscow was attacked this morning by suspected Ukrainian kamikaze drones just hours after Russian President Vladimir Putin unleashed yet another volley of strikes on the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv.

Several buildings were damaged in wealthy suburbs of Moscow, including the elite district of Rublyovka to the southwest of the capital.

One suspected Ukrainian drone exploded into a mushroom cloud near the village of Usovo, which is just down the road from Putin's official Novo-Ogaryovo residence.

'[Putin's residence] would be in earshot of the explosion,' one local said.

Explosive drones also struck blocks of flats in Leninsky Prospekt and Profsoyuznaya Street about six miles from the centre of Moscow, reportedly wounding several residents and damaging the buildings.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12138403/War-comes-Putins-doorstep-Wealthy-Moscow-region-hit-kamikaze-drones.html

@Kamaji

I am a little suspicious of this report. I may be wrong,but I don't THINK that drones have that much range.

Which leads me to ask "Where did those drones come from,and who launched and controlled them?

Is this MAYBE the first sign of revolution by the Red Army/Air Force?
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« Reply #207 on: May 30, 2023, 06:32:52 pm »
Ulyanovsk (Lenin's actual family name was Ulyanov) is quite a way from Ukraine, farther than Moscow. OTOH, it isn't too far from oil fields.

I hope the drones in Moscow are from anti-Putin partisans. Ukrainian drones are better used against orcish vehicles and brigand orcs.

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Yeah,but his tomb is on Red Square in Moscow,and it is known as "Lenin's Tomb".

Now,a drone taking out Lenin's Tomb in Moscow would be mighty damn  hard to explain away.

I really,REALLY wanted  to piss on it my first trip to Moscow,but  the guards with  the AK's looked to be pretty serious about doing their duty
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« Reply #208 on: May 30, 2023, 06:35:40 pm »
Russia issues arrest warrants for top Ukrainian commanders after Moscow drone strikes

By Snejana Farberov
May 30, 2023

Russia on Tuesday issued arrest warrants for Ukraine’s two top military commanders

@Kamaji

Ladies and gentlemen,we now have a provisional winner for the "Dumb Ass Prize of the year"!

Do those senile old fools in the Kremlin REALLY think a couple of Generals on the front like in Ukraine were responsible for this attack?
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« Reply #209 on: May 30, 2023, 06:37:14 pm »
The irony is too much.

@DB

True. I especially loved this line "Ukrainian drones struck wealthy districts of Moscow on Tuesday,

We iz da wurld.......

We iz da peep-pulls....

C'mon,sang hit wid me comrade Generals!

If I were the suspiscious type,I MIGHT start to think that even the Generals in Moscow know there these drones were launched from inside the city,and they have a revolution on their hands.

Which,of course,requires the execution of a couple of General Officers far away on the front lines because we ALL know such a thing is impossible because ONLY certain people are even allowed to live in Moscow,so it must be attacks from "out of town"
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« Reply #210 on: May 30, 2023, 10:46:55 pm »
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« Reply #211 on: May 31, 2023, 07:36:32 am »
Russia in flames once more as Ukrainian drones and artillery destroy oil refinery and shell border town a day after targeting elite Moscow suburb

The Afipsky oil refinery in Russia was hit by a suspected Ukrainian drone today
Ukrainian artillery also struck the Russian town of Shebekino on the border

By RACHAEL BUNYAN  and WILL STEWART
31 May 2023

A suspected Ukrainian drone sparked a fire at an oil refinery in southern Russia today and shelling hit a town in the border region of Belgorod for the third time in a week, Russian officials said.

A day after Russia accused Kyiv of sending kamikaze drones to attack Moscow, a suspected Ukrainian drone struck the Afipsky oil refinery in the early hours of this morning.

The 'thunderous' 3am strike saw the refinery erupt into flames, with a plume of dark smoke rising into the sky. Nobody was wounded in the attack and the fire was extinguished.

The Afipsky refinery is not far from the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk, near another refinery that has been attacked several times this month.

Separately, Ukrainian artillery struck the Russian town of Shebekino about 4.5 miles north of the border with Ukraine's Kharkiv region, the Belgorod regional governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said on the Telegram messaging app.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12142693/Russia-flames-Ukrainian-drones-artillery-destroy-oil-refinery.html

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« Reply #212 on: May 31, 2023, 07:38:33 am »
'You scum. You b******* - get your a**** out of the offices!!': Moment Wagner chief EXPLODES with fury at Putin's minions over Moscow drone attacks... as humiliated Vlad admits on TV his air defence was shoddy

Moscow was under siege early today from suspected Ukrainian drone attacks
Vladimir Putin claimed that Moscow's air defence worked 'satisfactorily'
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin unleashed a torrent of abuse on Putin's cronies

By ARTHUR PARASHAR
30 May 2023

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group has unleashed an explosive tirade of abuse at Vladimir Putin's cronies after Moscow was attacked this morning by suspected Ukrainian kamikaze drones.

In a furious 70-second rant, a ruthless Yevgeny Prigozhin screamed vulgar insults at Russia's defence whom he described as 'smelly scumbags' and 'b*******'.

The Wagner boss said he was 'deeply outraged' by Putin's troops doing 'f*** all' to prevent explosive drones falling on the Russian capital this morning. Shortly after, Putin claimed that Moscow's air defence system worked 'satisfactorily'.

Known for his foul-mouthed rants, Prigozhin, who handed Bakhmut over to Russia's army last week, was translated as shouting: 'Smelly scumbags! What are you doing? Get your a**** up from the offices you've been put in to protect this country.

'You are the Ministry of Defence. You've done f*** all in order to advance.  Why the f*** are you allowing these drones to fly to Moscow? Who gives a s*** that they are flying to your homes on Rublyovka! Let your houses burn.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12140065/Moment-Wagner-chief-EXPLODES-fury-Putins-minions-Moscow-drone-attacks.html

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« Reply #214 on: May 31, 2023, 08:47:15 am »
'You scum. You b******* - get your a**** out of the offices!!': Moment Wagner chief EXPLODES with fury at Putin's minions over Moscow drone attacks... as humiliated Vlad admits on TV his air defence was shoddy

Moscow was under siege early today from suspected Ukrainian drone attacks
Vladimir Putin claimed that Moscow's air defence worked 'satisfactorily'
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin unleashed a torrent of abuse on Putin's cronies

By ARTHUR PARASHAR
30 May 2023

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group has unleashed an explosive tirade of abuse at Vladimir Putin's cronies after Moscow was attacked this morning by suspected Ukrainian kamikaze drones.

In a furious 70-second rant, a ruthless Yevgeny Prigozhin screamed vulgar insults at Russia's defence whom he described as 'smelly scumbags' and 'b*******'.

The Wagner boss said he was 'deeply outraged' by Putin's troops doing 'f*** all' to prevent explosive drones falling on the Russian capital this morning. Shortly after, Putin claimed that Moscow's air defence system worked 'satisfactorily'.

Known for his foul-mouthed rants, Prigozhin, who handed Bakhmut over to Russia's army last week, was translated as shouting: 'Smelly scumbags! What are you doing? Get your a**** up from the offices you've been put in to protect this country.

'You are the Ministry of Defence. You've done f*** all in order to advance.  Why the f*** are you allowing these drones to fly to Moscow? Who gives a s*** that they are flying to your homes on Rublyovka! Let your houses burn.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12140065/Moment-Wagner-chief-EXPLODES-fury-Putins-minions-Moscow-drone-attacks.html


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« Reply #215 on: May 31, 2023, 08:50:08 am »

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« Reply #217 on: May 31, 2023, 09:42:23 am »
This seems to be far worse for Russia than the Russo Japanese war at this point.

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« Reply #218 on: May 31, 2023, 01:03:46 pm »
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Vladimir Putin claimed that Moscow's air defence worked 'satisfactorily'

Ummmmm, if those drones were from Ukraine, either they flew several hundred miles past multiple SAM installations before being intercepted or the Ukrainians managed to infiltrate several hundred miles into Russia undetected.

Ukraine is spreading its attacks, at this point, across multiple, widely separated, areas. This creates uncertainty as to where the/a main thrust will be, and forces Russia to freeze forces spread across the entire front.

The attacks on the oil refinery/storage facilities hit at a resource critical to Russia responding to Ukrainian attacks. Tanks, IFVs, and logistics vehicles don't move without fuel.
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« Reply #219 on: May 31, 2023, 01:11:38 pm »
Ummmmm, if those drones were from Ukraine, either they flew several hundred miles past multiple SAM installations before being intercepted or the Ukrainians managed to infiltrate several hundred miles into Russia undetected.

Ukraine is spreading its attacks, at this point, across multiple, widely separated, areas. This creates uncertainty as to where the/a main thrust will be, and forces Russia to freeze forces spread across the entire front.

The attacks on the oil refinery/storage facilities hit at a resource critical to Russia responding to Ukrainian attacks. Tanks, IFVs, and logistics vehicles don't move without fuel.


The more I think about it the drone attack on Moscow was either a false flag operation or something internal is happening in Russia. I don't think that Ukraine will just waste a drone or two on Moscow yet.  Maybe on the bridge that links Russia to Crimea but not on Moscow yet.
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« Reply #220 on: May 31, 2023, 01:18:28 pm »
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« Reply #221 on: May 31, 2023, 01:20:48 pm »
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« Reply #222 on: May 31, 2023, 01:24:29 pm »
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« Reply #223 on: May 31, 2023, 01:42:05 pm »
The Iranian-made drone bringing destruction to Ukraine:  Tehran is supplying Putin with Shahed-136 'kamikaze' weapons which are now being deployed to strike Kyiv citizens

The drones are 'loitering munitions' meaning they hover above targets for hours
Ukrainians have coined the drone the 'flying lawnmower' due to its sound

By JACK NEWMAN and CHRIS JEWERS and CHRISTIAN OLIVER  and RACHAEL BUNYAN
31 May 2023

Russian drones have continued to rain down on Ukraine, ravaging the country by killing civilians and destroying buildings.

The Kremlin's 'kamikaze' suicide drones, laden with explosives, have become a terrifying feature of daily life for Ukrainians.

These drones - often small in size a cheap in comparison to other similar weapons - have become an integral part of Russia's war tactics, and one model in particular is wreaking havoc.

In an attack on Tuesday, Iranian-supplied Shahed-136 UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) were shot down from the sky over Kyiv in successive waves of 31 strikes, Ukraine's armed forces said. Although Ukraine's air defenses said they were able to shoot down 29, Russia's drones have shown no relent.

While Ukrainian forces have been using sophisticated drones, such as the US-made Predator, the Shahed-136 has proved itself to be a crude but effective weapon. 

The Shaheds, which Russia has rebranded as Geran-2 , have a range of more than 600 miles and can 'loiter' above potential targets for hours before being slammed  into enemy soldiers, vehicles or buildings and exploding on impact.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12143001/The-Iranian-Shahed-drone-deployed-Russia-strike-Kyiv-citizens.html

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« Reply #224 on: May 31, 2023, 07:07:13 pm »

The more I think about it the drone attack on Moscow was either a false flag operation or something internal is happening in Russia. I don't think that Ukraine will just waste a drone or two on Moscow yet.  Maybe on the bridge that links Russia to Crimea but not on Moscow yet.

@kevindavis007

There is trouble brewing in the near future  for dedicated Communists in Russia.

I think it is called "Revolution" unless the geezers in charge start paying attention to the home front and ease up on the "dictatorship".

BTW,"Dictatorship" MIGHT be a misspelling. Just sayin..........
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« Reply #225 on: May 31, 2023, 09:07:04 pm »

Putin Hiding Out After Panic ‘Behind the Scenes’ of Moscow Drone Attack
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« Reply #226 on: May 31, 2023, 09:44:01 pm »
Putin Hiding Out After Panic ‘Behind the Scenes’ of Moscow Drone Attack
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-hiding-panic-behind-scenes-161404741.html

Good to see some real fear being put into Putin.

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« Reply #227 on: May 31, 2023, 10:05:12 pm »
Good to see some real fear being put into Putin.
It is one thing for him to be cautious, but we don't want him to be really, really, scared. People who are really afraid are dangerously unpredictable.
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« Reply #228 on: May 31, 2023, 10:16:10 pm »
An interesting article on how Ukraine changed from a Soviet-style military (i.e., just like the current Russian military) to a NATO-esque force capable of resisting a much greater Soviet/Russian force.  It's worth the read.

How Ukraine Learned to Fight

Russia’s full-scale war started a year ago. Ukraine’s military started slashing its Soviet roots long before.

March 1, 2023
By Jack Detsch, a Pentagon and national security reporter at Foreign Policy.

When Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine one year ago, it triggered national mobilization, international outrage, and a once-in-a-generation migration crisis. It also revealed the Ukrainian military’s slow-burn transformation from a Soviet army to a NATO-style outfit able to outfight, outfox, and out-equip its Russian foes.

After Russia’s first invasion in 2014, and during the war in the Donbas that has raged all the way through the ongoing Russian onslaught, Ukraine slowly began to revamp its military organization and doctrine, allowing it to eventually get to grips with its rival.

If the Ukrainian military had a steep learning curve, so did then-U.S. Army Col. Liam Collins. A career special forces officer and Princeton Ph.D. holder who had hopped back and forth between military deployments and academia, Collins was given a month’s notice in 2016 to join Army Gen. John Abizaid as an aide. Abizaid was a retired four-star general brought on by the Pentagon to advise Ukraine’s defense ministry as it reformed the country’s military.

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« Reply #229 on: May 31, 2023, 10:39:35 pm »
It is one thing for him to be cautious, but we don't want him to be really, really, scared. People who are really afraid are dangerously unpredictable.

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And you do  NOT want to terrify someone in command of multiple nuclear devices and delivery systems.

I honestly think that things are at the point now where even the dedicated Commies in the Politburo want Put out of office because he is a genuine danger the  continued  existence of both Communism in Russia,as wall as to them,personally.

I just can't even imagine a way  for him to survive this and remain in power. I suspect that by this time next year he will be living in exile in China.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #230 on: May 31, 2023, 10:40:09 pm »

It is one thing for him to be cautious, but we don't want him to be really, really, scared. People who are really afraid are dangerously unpredictable.
"Dangerously unpredictable" is Putin's middle name. You don't get to be the head of the KGB and then take over the whole country, then start a world war, without being a serious bad ass.

If anyone in the world is going to start throwing around nuclear bombs, Putin would be at the top of that list. Especially now since he is old and ill/sick. What does he care anyway?
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« Reply #231 on: May 31, 2023, 10:59:10 pm »
An interesting article on how Ukraine changed from a Soviet-style military (i.e., just like the current Russian military) to a NATO-esque force capable of resisting a much greater Soviet/Russian force.  It's worth the read.

How Ukraine Learned to Fight

Russia’s full-scale war started a year ago. Ukraine’s military started slashing its Soviet roots long before.

March 1, 2023
By Jack Detsch, a Pentagon and national security reporter at Foreign Policy.

When Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine one year ago, it triggered national mobilization, international outrage, and a once-in-a-generation migration crisis. It also revealed the Ukrainian military’s slow-burn transformation from a Soviet army to a NATO-style outfit able to outfight, outfox, and out-equip its Russian foes.

After Russia’s first invasion in 2014, and during the war in the Donbas that has raged all the way through the ongoing Russian onslaught, Ukraine slowly began to revamp its military organization and doctrine, allowing it to eventually get to grips with its rival.

If the Ukrainian military had a steep learning curve, so did then-U.S. Army Col. Liam Collins. A career special forces officer and Princeton Ph.D. holder who had hopped back and forth between military deployments and academia, Collins was given a month’s notice in 2016 to join Army Gen. John Abizaid as an aide. Abizaid was a retired four-star general brought on by the Pentagon to advise Ukraine’s defense ministry as it reformed the country’s military.

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Source:  https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/01/how-ukraine-learned-to-fight/

Thanks for posting that.  The Ukrainians figured out they needed to change, and began doing so even if it isn't yet complete.  That still puts them miles ahead of the Russians.

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« Reply #232 on: May 31, 2023, 11:02:38 pm »
"Dangerously unpredictable" is Putin's middle name. You don't get to be the head of the KGB and then take over the whole country, then start a world war, without being a serious bad ass.

If anyone in the world is going to start throwing around nuclear bombs, Putin would be at the top of that list. Especially now since he is old and ill/sick. What does he care anyway?
My worry would involve mobilization by the Chinese, spooled up Russian nuclear forces, and the Norks or Iranians launching first. That could be a real hairball before the ordnance stops flying, and there are plenty of places the whole shooting match could go sideways off the rails.
If the Chinese figure out a way to orchestrate something like that, look out.
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« Reply #233 on: June 01, 2023, 04:59:24 am »
"Dangerously unpredictable" is Putin's middle name. You don't get to be the head of the KGB and then take over the whole country, then start a world war, without being a serious bad ass.

If anyone in the world is going to start throwing around nuclear bombs, Putin would be at the top of that list. Especially now since he is old and ill/sick. What does he care anyway?

I’d put NK far ahead on that list.

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« Reply #234 on: June 01, 2023, 07:56:38 am »
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« Reply #236 on: June 01, 2023, 08:38:32 am »
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« Reply #237 on: June 01, 2023, 08:40:16 am »

Who/what is the RDK?


That is a good question.
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« Reply #238 on: June 01, 2023, 08:41:10 am »

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1664234556482789376

Interesting.  Belgorod is in Russia, near the border with Ukraine, and more or less north of Kharkiv.

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« Reply #239 on: June 01, 2023, 08:42:25 am »

That is a good question.

From wikipedia (take it for what it's worth):

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The Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC; Russian: Русский добровольческий корпус, РДК, romanized: Russkiy dobrovolcheskiy korpus, RDK) is a Russian nationalist paramilitary unit based in Ukraine. It was formed in August 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, to fight against Russian forces and the regime of Vladimir Putin.[1][2][3] The group reportedly consists of Russian emigrants who are primarily united by their opposition to Putin.[1] The group claims to be part of Ukraine's armed forces, but Ukrainian military officials say it is independent.[1] The group was described as far-right.[1][3][4][5] The current leader of the group is Denis Kapustin.[6]

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« Reply #240 on: June 01, 2023, 10:38:46 am »
Troops Cross Into Russia as Putin's Army Fights To Defend Belgorod—Report

https://www.newsweek.com/tanks-russia-ukraine-belgorod-freedom-legion-volunteer-corps-border-1803756

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Russian fighters serving under the Ukrainian Armed Forces have crossed into the town of Shebekino in Russia's Belgorod region, bringing "heavy equipment" with them, Ilya Ponomarev, an exiled Russian politician—who says he is the political representative for the group of fighters—told Newsweek.

Ponomarev's remarks came on the heels of a statement from Belgorod Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov, who said shelling in the border town of Shebekino overnight injured at least eight people. Gladkov denied "any enemies are on the territory of the Belgorod region" even as reports emerged that tanks operated by "saboteurs" were shelling the town's checkpoint.

The Freedom of Russia Legion—formed weeks after Russia's invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, and made up of defectors from the Russian armed forces and Russian and Belarusian volunteers—and the Russian Volunteer Corps published videos on their social media channels claiming to be near or in Shebekino on Thursday morning.


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« Reply #241 on: June 01, 2023, 10:46:23 am »
Troops Cross Into Russia as Putin's Army Fights To Defend Belgorod—Report

https://www.newsweek.com/tanks-russia-ukraine-belgorod-freedom-legion-volunteer-corps-border-1803756

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Interesting jui-jitsu move by Ukraine.  This essentially mirrors what Russia has done in Ukraine with the putative Ukraine separatists in the east.  If the attack keeps up some momentum, Russia will be forced to divert some of its forces back into Russia, and to the north of Ukraine, to deal with this group, weakening Russian forces in Ukraine itself.

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« Reply #242 on: June 01, 2023, 11:34:10 am »
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« Reply #243 on: June 01, 2023, 11:42:26 am »
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« Reply #244 on: June 01, 2023, 11:48:12 am »

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1664201022003204096

Where are the emergency response people? There are no firefighters, etc. Nobody.
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« Reply #246 on: June 01, 2023, 11:49:56 am »
Where are the emergency response people? There are no firefighters, etc. Nobody.


I think that Russia is at a breaking point if it can't provide any emergency response.
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« Reply #248 on: June 01, 2023, 12:16:36 pm »
Seems that the Ukrainians has decided that Bakhmut is not worth the trouble any more, with bigger fish to fry in Belgorod.

Armed Forces of Ukraine suspended advance on flanks, other tasks performed – Ukraine's Ground Forces Commander on situation in Bakhmut

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/armed-forces-ukraine-suspended-advance-090501041.html

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Oleksandr Syrskyi
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The Armed Forces of Ukraine have suspended their advance on the flanks on the Bakhmut front over the past few days.

Source: Oleksandr Syrskyi, Commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the comments for Ukrainska Pravda

Quote: "Over the past few days, the advance on the flanks was suspended, as other essential tasks were performed there. The command of our group is taking appropriate measures aimed at restoring the combat capability of our units and disrupting Russian intentions (namely, do not allow Ukrainian counter-offensive actions to happen, instead switching to the offensive themselves – ed.)

Details: In addition, Syrskyi said that Russia changed the format of the operation on the Bakhmut front; therefore, there is a temporary lull.

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« Reply #249 on: June 01, 2023, 04:37:03 pm »
Call for Putin to be replaced... on state TV: Extraordinary criticism is levelled at Vladimir on Russian channel for the first time since Ukraine invasion

Boris Nadezhdin said Russian must choose a replacement for Putin in elections

By RACHAEL BUNYAN
1 June 2023

A Russian politician has launched an extraordinary attack on Vladimir Putin, calling for the despot to be ousted from office and replaced during an appearance on state TV. 

Opposition politician Boris Nadezhdin, who has criticised Russia's invasion of Ukraine, said on Russia's NTV channel that Russians must choose a different leader in the country's 2024 elections.

'We need to choose somebody else, and not Putin,' outspoken Nadezhdin said. 'Everything will be good then.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12148661/Call-Putin-replaced-state-TV-Extraordinary-criticism-levelled-Vladimir.html