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Offline Hoodat

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4425 on: August 29, 2024, 11:34:37 pm »
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

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Here are some dumb bastards willing to die for their country:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnLHCCmNXrg
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4426 on: August 30, 2024, 10:38:58 am »
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4427 on: August 30, 2024, 02:53:04 pm »
Ukrainian air force commander fired after fatal F-16 crash

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-f16-crash-us-military-aid-weapons-supplies/

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy fired the commander of the country's air force Friday, four days after an F-16 warplane that Ukraine received from its Western partners crashed during a Russian bombardment.

The order to dismiss Lt. Gen. Mykola Oleshchuk was published on the presidential website.

"We need to protect people. Protect personnel. Take care of all our soldiers," Zelenskyy said in an address minutes after the order was published. He said Ukraine needs to strengthen its army on the command level.

Lt. Gen. Anatolii Kryvonozhko was appointed acting air force commander, the army's general staff said.

The dismissal came on the same day that Oleshchuk directed scathing criticism at a lawmaker who is deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament's defense committee for her claims that the F-16 was downed by a Patriot air-defense system. Ukraine has received an unspecified number of the U.S.-made systems.

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Yeah, they shot it down themselves.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4428 on: August 30, 2024, 03:34:04 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 29, 2024, 11:34:37 pm
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

-George S. Patton-


Here are some dumb bastards willing to die for their country:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnLHCCmNXrg
What a Russian says while being recorded ... and what they actually do ... do not exist together in the same reality.
They must say that patriotic crap to keep from being arrested. If they told the truth, they would suddenly disappear.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4429 on: August 30, 2024, 05:08:31 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 30, 2024, 03:34:04 pm
What a Russian says while being recorded ... and what they actually do ... do not exist together in the same reality.
They must say that patriotic crap to keep from being arrested. If they told the truth, they would suddenly disappear.



I believe you are right.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4430 on: August 30, 2024, 05:35:40 pm »
Nothing like shoring up U.S taxpayer support than accidentally shooting down $63M donated jets.   :thud:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4431 on: August 30, 2024, 06:40:47 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 30, 2024, 05:35:40 pm
Nothing like shoring up U.S taxpayer support than accidentally shooting down $63M donated jets.   :thud:

The US has yet to deliver any aircraft to Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4432 on: August 30, 2024, 06:41:31 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on August 30, 2024, 06:40:47 pm
The US has yet to deliver any aircraft to Ukraine.

Yup.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4433 on: August 30, 2024, 06:45:14 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 30, 2024, 05:35:40 pm
Nothing like shoring up U.S taxpayer support than accidentally shooting down $63M donated jets.   :thud:



Although I see your point, I can't think of any war that didn't have "friendly fire".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4434 on: August 30, 2024, 07:00:25 pm »
Quote from: berdie on August 30, 2024, 06:45:14 pm



Although I see your point, I can't think of any war that didn't have "friendly fire".
Sad, but true--and it isn't 'friendly', no matter where it comes from.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4435 on: August 30, 2024, 07:24:37 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 30, 2024, 07:00:25 pm
Sad, but true--and it isn't 'friendly', no matter where it comes from.

Pat Tillman would attest to that, except he was killed.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4436 on: August 30, 2024, 08:46:29 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 30, 2024, 03:34:04 pm
What a Russian says while being recorded ... and what they actually do ... do not exist together in the same reality.
They must say that patriotic crap to keep from being arrested. If they told the truth, they would suddenly disappear.

The guy who runs 1420.... i have no idea how he has lasted this long.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4437 on: August 30, 2024, 10:18:28 pm »
DAY 25 - UKRAINE'S INVASION OF RUSSIA

Russians shell Belgorod!



https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1829576284839764213
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4438 on: August 30, 2024, 10:19:13 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4439 on: August 30, 2024, 10:19:48 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4440 on: August 30, 2024, 10:21:48 pm »
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« Reply #4441 on: August 30, 2024, 10:26:36 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4442 on: August 30, 2024, 10:28:24 pm »
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« Reply #4443 on: August 30, 2024, 10:30:09 pm »
Ukrainian August

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4444 on: August 30, 2024, 10:35:37 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #4445 on: August 30, 2024, 10:38:07 pm »
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« Reply #4446 on: August 30, 2024, 10:40:41 pm »
Proletarsk analysis

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« Reply #4447 on: August 30, 2024, 10:42:01 pm »
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« Reply #4448 on: August 30, 2024, 10:55:15 pm »
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« Reply #4449 on: August 30, 2024, 11:00:24 pm »
Zelenskiy fires head of air force after fatal crash of donated F-16 fighter jet

Mykola Oleshchuk’s dismissal thought to be linked to death of pilot and loss of plane newly delivered to Ukraine

Pjotr Sauer and Shaun Walker in Sumy  |  30 Aug 2024  |  14.27 EDT

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has fired the head of Ukraine’s air force a day after it emerged that a recently delivered F-16 jet had crashed earlier this week, killing the pilot.

“I have decided to replace the commander of the air forces … I am eternally grateful to all our military pilots,” Zelenskiy said in his evening video address on Friday, without giving a reason for the dismissal of Mykola Oleshchuk.

But Zelenskiy spoke of the need to “protect” the lives of those defending the country, suggesting the dismissal is probably related to the F-16 crash in which Lt Col Oleksiy Mes died.

The arrival of the F-16s, donated by a number of European nations, was delayed due to the lengthy training programme required for pilots and ground staff to be able to operate the aircraft.

Mariana Bezugla, a member of a parliamentary defence committee, had earlier claimed the plane was shot down by friendly fire. Reuters cited a US official stating the plane did not appear to have been hit by Russian fire, and the crash may have been caused by mechanical failure or pilot error.


The funeral of Ukrainian F-16 pilot Oleksiy Mes takes place on 29 August. Photograph: Libkos/Getty Images

The crash was more unwelcome news in a week when Russia has continued to make rapid advances in eastern Ukraine toward the key city of Pokrovsk, sparking public criticism of the Ukrainian military leadership and Zelenskiy even as the bold incursion into the Russian Kursk region continues.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/30/ukraine-russian-advances-pokrovsk-kursk
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