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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3925 on: August 10, 2024, 09:50:52 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 09, 2024, 11:55:28 pm
Russia now has the second best army in Russia.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3926 on: August 10, 2024, 10:18:14 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 09, 2024, 11:55:28 pm
Russia now has the second best army in Russia.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3927 on: August 10, 2024, 10:59:01 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 09, 2024, 11:55:28 pm
Russia now has the second best army in Russia.

They still have the best army in Siberia ... unless China or one of the ____stans have invaded.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3928 on: August 10, 2024, 11:21:30 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 10, 2024, 10:59:01 am
They still have the best army in Siberia ... unless China or one of the ____stans have invaded.

If Russia were to be invaded by the 'Stans, would we ever hear about it?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3929 on: August 10, 2024, 01:53:48 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on August 10, 2024, 10:59:01 am
They still have the best army in Siberia ... unless China or one of the ____stans have invaded.


If China invades Russia no one is going to give a s**t
If China invades Taiwan, China is f**ked.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3930 on: August 10, 2024, 01:55:20 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on August 10, 2024, 08:32:21 am
I dunno...Shoigu would be a strange choice to lead a coup since he is nothing but a Kremlin hack and owes his position and statue solely to Putin.  One would suppose that if Putin goes down, then Shoigu would go down with him.


I don't believe this rumor at all.  If there is going to be a coup, it's going be from a general and more competent coup than the last one.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3931 on: August 10, 2024, 02:33:15 pm »

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3932 on: August 10, 2024, 03:28:59 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3933 on: August 10, 2024, 03:29:28 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3934 on: August 10, 2024, 03:30:07 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3935 on: August 10, 2024, 03:31:05 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3936 on: August 10, 2024, 03:32:24 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3937 on: August 10, 2024, 03:33:13 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3938 on: August 10, 2024, 03:35:43 pm »
Ka-52 shot down.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3939 on: August 10, 2024, 04:01:11 pm »
Ka-52

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3940 on: August 10, 2024, 05:59:31 pm »
Typical Russian response.   Attack Ukrainian civilians.  This is the second time Kostiantynivka shoppers have been targeted in a year.


At least 14 dead, 43 injured in strike on Ukrainian shopping mall

Fidel Pavlenko and Meredith Deliso  |  August 9, 2024, 12:43 PM

At least 14 people were killed and another 43 injured in a strike on a shopping mall in Ukraine on Friday, the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office said.

The death toll continued to rise after Ukrainian officials reported earlier Friday that a Russian plane-launched missile struck a shopping mall in the town of Kostiantynivka in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region.


Firefighters and rescue workers attend the site of destruction after an attack on a shopping mall where...Show more
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/ukraine-shopping-mall-strike-donetsk-kostiantynivka/story?id=112714642
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« Reply #3941 on: August 10, 2024, 06:17:26 pm »
Brave, brave Russians! Proudly attacking schools, hospitals, apartments, train stations, and grocery stores! The annals of history will speak of these noble accomplishments all through the ages!

Yes, centuries from now people will hear of what Russia did and then celebrate those who wiped Russia from existence!
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« Reply #3942 on: August 10, 2024, 06:56:07 pm »
Just to mention this, the stream of refugees will make a hash of force movements if the Russians don't keep it under control, and even controlling that will require people who would have gone to the war effort.
I just hope the Ukrainians treat the Russian civilian population more humanely than the Ukrainian civilian population has been treated by the Russians.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3943 on: August 10, 2024, 06:58:28 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 10, 2024, 06:56:07 pm
Just to mention this, the stream of refugees will make a hash of force movements if the Russians don't keep it under control, and even controlling that will require people who would have gone to the war effort.
I just hope the Ukrainians treat the Russian civilian population more humanely than the Ukrainian civilian population has been treated by the Russians.

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« Reply #3944 on: August 10, 2024, 07:27:46 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 10, 2024, 06:56:07 pm
I just hope the Ukrainians treat the Russian civilian population more humanely than the Ukrainian civilian population has been treated by the Russians.

The Ukrainians would do well to treat Russian civilians better than the Russians do. Not that this should be a challenge.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3945 on: August 10, 2024, 07:35:36 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on August 10, 2024, 07:27:46 pm
The Ukrainians would do well to treat Russian civilians better than the Russians do. Not that this should be a challenge.

It's certainly not a high bar.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3946 on: August 10, 2024, 07:42:17 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on August 10, 2024, 07:27:46 pm
The Ukrainians would do well to treat Russian civilians better than the Russians do. Not that this should be a challenge.

Soldiers executing civilians in the streets and gang-raping women isn't the Ukrainian style.  Let's not forget this invasion started with Putin declaring Ukrainians "drug addicts" and "criminals", and then sending troops to the north suburbs of Kyiv to commit untold atrocities against the Ukrainian people.  It would be a self-fulfilling prophecy if Ukraine did likewise to them, similar to what Russians did to the Germans.
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« Reply #3947 on: August 10, 2024, 07:54:46 pm »
Let's not forget the importance of the Kursk region.

It was the battle (the largest tank battle of WWII) that ended German ambitions during what the USSR called "The Great Patriotic War". After that battle, the Germans were on defense and the Russians (Soviets) pushed through to Berlin (Not that we could not have done so, but: politics).

To seize that region from Russia has implications that go beyond mere territory.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3948 on: August 10, 2024, 08:21:53 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 10, 2024, 07:54:46 pm
Let's not forget the importance of the Kursk region.

It was the battle (the largest tank battle of WWII) that ended German ambitions during what the USSR called "The Great Patriotic War". After that battle, the Germans were on defense and the Russians (Soviets) pushed through to Berlin (Not that we could not have done so, but: politics).

To seize that region from Russia has implications that go beyond mere territory.

My guess is it is a bargaining chip. They'll return Russian territory if Russia returns Ukrainian territory.
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« Reply #3949 on: August 10, 2024, 08:27:14 pm »
Quote from: DB on August 10, 2024, 08:21:53 pm
My guess is it is a bargaining chip. They'll return Russian territory if Russia returns Ukrainian territory.
That could be. If others impose a "peace talk" at least now they have something to bargain with and trade to get their country back. Unfortunately, peace talks with communists are only, historically, an opportunity for the Communists to reposition troops and move up supplies. Both Korea and Vietnam are shining examples.
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