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« Reply #3275 on: June 21, 2024, 10:03:27 pm »
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« Reply #3276 on: June 21, 2024, 10:48:49 pm »
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« Reply #3277 on: June 21, 2024, 10:52:18 pm »
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« Reply #3278 on: June 21, 2024, 10:56:04 pm »
Shahed launch site, three oil refineries attacked at night by Ukraine's SBU and Armed Forces drones

Ulyana Krychkowska  |  JUNE 21, 12:10

On June 21, the Security Service of Ukraine conducted two successful special operations: together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they struck the Shahed launch site and three oil refineries in Russia's Krasnodar Krai, an informed interlocutor told LIGA.net.

The source said that initially, as part of joint implementation with the missile forces and the Naval Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the training ground of the 167th training center in Yeysk, from where the Russians launch Shahed drones, was struck.

A warehouse of Iranian drones is located there and their operators live in barracks – a series of explosions followed by detonation were recorded at the test site, he noted.

After that, SBU drones together with the forces of unmanned systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces hit three refineries: Afipsky, Ilsky, Krasnodar, the source says, adding that these are key factories in the southern district of Russia, which, in particular, produce fuel oil for ships of the Black Sea Fleet.  .  .  .

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/shahed-launch-site-3-oil-refineries-attacked-at-night-by-ukraines-sbu-and-armed-forces-drones
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3279 on: June 22, 2024, 11:20:43 am »
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« Reply #3280 on: June 22, 2024, 11:22:18 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 21, 2024, 02:08:54 pm
This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".


The sad part is that a lot of conservatives and 'patriots' believe it.
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« Reply #3281 on: June 22, 2024, 11:26:10 am »
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« Reply #3282 on: June 22, 2024, 11:40:29 am »
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« Reply #3283 on: June 22, 2024, 11:56:42 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 21, 2024, 07:45:57 pm
Russia Downs Own Ka-29 Helicopter Over Black Sea Resort Town: Reports
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There have been numerous cases throughout the war where Russia's air defenses fired at its own aircraft. More than a fifth of Russia's known manned aircraft and helicopter losses since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the war in Ukraine in February 2022 have been self-inflicted, according to data compiled and analyzed by Newsweek in late August 2023.  .  .  .
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Discerning friend from foe in an environment full of low-altitude supersonic rockets and planes and etc. is not easy. Russian SAM systems and operators are doing poorly, in blue-on-blue shootdowns and Ukrainian assets not engaged. Hopefully the US military is paying attention and learning so as to make US SAM systems and operators less error prone.
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« Reply #3284 on: June 22, 2024, 02:49:27 pm »
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« Reply #3285 on: June 22, 2024, 02:50:27 pm »
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« Reply #3286 on: June 22, 2024, 02:53:52 pm »
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« Reply #3287 on: June 22, 2024, 02:57:32 pm »
This is what you see on Russian television:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpDch670UI
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« Reply #3288 on: June 22, 2024, 03:45:41 pm »
I do not understand how the average Russian on the street would not look at a map and see the relatively small breadth of the nation of Ukraine and the far greater distance to the Atlantic Ocean. I doubt that silliness is playing in Anatevka.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3289 on: June 22, 2024, 04:33:25 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 22, 2024, 03:45:41 pm
I do not understand how the average Russian on the street would not look at a map and see the relatively small breadth of the nation of Ukraine and the far greater distance to the Atlantic Ocean. I doubt that silliness is playing in Anatevka.

It's just a slight modification of, "From the River to the Sea."
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3290 on: June 22, 2024, 04:40:48 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 22, 2024, 02:57:32 pm
This is what you see on Russian television:

I frequently watch Russian Media Monitor on You Tube. They feature all sorts of Russians saying things that Russia's supporters object to all the time. Can't even say how many times the shrill trolls on TOS bitched and whined about these videos as if they were not authentic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t57QmDvrLp4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZdKS0xByrQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnPEpMdRrg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4y4IEhpVCo
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3291 on: June 22, 2024, 05:35:49 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 21, 2024, 02:08:54 pm
This is the very definition of fascism - government offering the pretense of private ownership, as long as the 'owners' do the government's bidding.  Willy Messerschmitt maintained 'control' of his company only because he met production quotas on fighter aircraft.

And they call Ukrainians "fascists".

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3292 on: June 22, 2024, 06:07:31 pm »
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Another sign of victory that is about to happen (Sarcasm)
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« Reply #3293 on: June 22, 2024, 07:54:19 pm »
I think Putin expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Kyiv.
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« Reply #3294 on: June 22, 2024, 08:17:31 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 22, 2024, 07:54:19 pm
I think Putin expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Kyiv.

I think he expected to celebrate Easter 2022 in Warsaw.
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« Reply #3295 on: June 22, 2024, 11:09:20 pm »
I cannot imagine what these soldiers have been told for their humanity to be lowered to this point.  It's like they were pre-programmed or prepared to do this.  Maybe they have been brainwashed to believe that they will be tortured if captured by Ukrainians. 

Warning, this video shows someone being executed.





from r/CombatFootage

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1dlzoiu/russian_wounded_by_fpv_is_killed_by_his_fellow/
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« Reply #3296 on: June 22, 2024, 11:12:16 pm »
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« Reply #3297 on: June 22, 2024, 11:14:09 pm »
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« Reply #3298 on: June 22, 2024, 11:22:51 pm »
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« Reply #3299 on: June 22, 2024, 11:36:02 pm »
This is surprising.  Russia and Serbia are typically on the same side.


Ukraine received €800 million worth of ammunition from Serbia through third parties

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Serbia supplied Western countries with ammunition, some of which was then re-exported to Ukraine. Thus, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received shells worth €800 million, writes the Financial Times.

Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić called this amount "generally accurate." According to him, we are talking about an indicator for two to three years. He stressed that the sale of ammunition is a business necessary for the "economic revival" of Serbia, and such supplies do not mean that he takes sides in the conflict.

"Yes, we export our ammunition. We cannot supply them to Ukraine or Russia, but we have had many contracts with the Americans, Spaniards, Czechs and others. How they ultimately deal with this is their business," Vučić said.

The Serbian president added that even if he knows where the shells hit, it does not concern him. "My job is to ensure that we handle our ammunition legally, that we sell it. I have to take care of my people, and that's all," Vučić stressed.

According to him, Serbia has received a "great opportunity" to do business by exporting ammunition, since its weapons are cheaper than Western ones. Vučić added that the total volume of such supplies will only increase.

This was confirmed by Serbian Finance Minister Sinisa Mali. The defense industry, which employs 20,000 people in a country of 7 million people, is expanding rapidly, he said. "I see it as a business cluster," Mali said, adding that in terms of arms production, Serbia has not yet reached the level of more developed countries, but now is "the time" to catch up.

According to diplomats and analysts interviewed by the publication, Serbia's participation in the supply of ammunition to Ukraine is so veiled that official data do not reflect this. The Kiel Institute for the World Economy, which monitors support for Kyiv, said that they did not directly monitor Belgrade's activities and did not have evidence of its "systematic contribution" to the defense of Ukraine.  .  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2024/06/22/ukraina-poluchila-boepripasi-izserbii-na800mln-cherez-tretih-lits-a134722
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