LIVE THREAD...Trump Surrenders

[catfish1957]

Trump will never be acquitted, I'd say that's pretty drastic.

But drastic enough for him to lose the primaries?  This witch hunt has had the opposite effect. $10M in fund raising, and he's rocketing in the polls..  In fact Raz polling yesterday had him beating Pedo Joe by 7 percentage points.

The actual martyr gig is working at least now.

[libertybele]

But drastic enough for him to lose the primaries?  This witch hunt has had the opposite effect. $10M in fund raising, and he's rocketing in the polls..  In fact Raz polling yesterday had him beating Pedo Joe by 7 percentage points.

The actual martyr gig is working at least now.

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

[catfish1957]

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

I researched that and found that even if he is convicted, it does not preclude him from gaining the nomination or even become POTUS.

What the slimey dims are banking on, is that a conviction will sway enough swing voters not to vote for him. 

[Kamaji]

I researched that and found that even if he is convicted, it does not preclude him from gaining the nomination or even become POTUS.

What the slimey dims are banking on, is that a conviction will sway enough swing voters not to vote for him. 

Exactly.

[sneakypete]

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

IMHO the NYC court can do whatever they want -- they are liberal and corrupt so I'm not sure that there's any possibility of them being sued.

[LadyLiberty]

@libertybele


BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

It's possible, but is it likely given the location?

Look at what happened to Nifong in the Duke LaCrosse case.

[Kamaji]

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

For the last question: generally no. 

[roamer_1]

IMHO the NYC court can do whatever they want -- they are liberal and corrupt so I'm not sure that there's any possibility of them being sued.

Yeah. But appeal with send it to the state courts, where NYC ain't in control.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yeah. But appeal with send it to the state courts, where NYC ain't in control.

New York Appellate courts generally are pretty good.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Agree.  Unless something drastically happens in the dynamics of this race.  It's over.

I think that may be a bit of "prisoner of the moment".  This case is going to the back burner for the next 8 or so months, during which there will be plenty of opportunities for Trump to remind GOP primary voters why so many of them were looking for alternatives.

I'd love for him to lose, but at a minimum, I want someone to make a serious enough challenge that the idea of the GOP = Trump takes a major hit.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think that may be a bit of "prisoner of the moment".  This case is going to the back burner for the next 8 or so months, during which there will be plenty of opportunities for Trump to remind GOP primary voters why so many of them were looking for alternatives.

I'd love for him to lose, but at a minimum, I want someone to make a serious enough challenge that the idea of the GOP = Trump takes a major hit.

You state facts!  We cannot be a Cult of Personality, and that would be worse than the Democrats.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

We cannot be a Cult of Personality, and that would be worse than the Democrats.

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

[sneakypete]

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

@Maj. Bill Martin

He can't,so why worry about it when there are real problems for everyone to worry  about,including Trump,who KNOWS that as his age this is his last opportunity  to get prominent positive mention in the history books.

Otherwise,he just goes down as a rich guy that was President for one term.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

He can't,so why worry about it when there are real problems for everyone to worry  about,including Trump,who KNOWS that as his age this is his last opportunity  to get prominent positive mention in the history books.

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?  They're all worried about their legacy at that point because they know they can't run again, and they know they'll never have another opportunity to be impactful historically.  Obama's proud that he got ObamaCare through, but I'm not happy about that.  So the real question isn't whether they want to be successful, but rather whether Trump's (or Biden's) idea of being successful historically is the same as mine.  And I don't feel that way about either Biden or Trump.  That's not just on policy with respect to Trump, because I also believe that he sees one of the ways to be viewed positively is to destroy anyone who might compete against him for that title.  He thinks he'll end up looking good if he destroys other Republicans who might snag some positive attention.

I see one of the hallmarks of great leaders is whether they leave behind people who will do good work after them.  But I see Trump affirmatively tearing down other Republicans I think are good, and promoting others than I think are not good.  DeSantis bad/MTG good is just not a direction I think is a good one, but that's where he'd take us.  And I just can't sign off on that.

 

[sneakypete]

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?   

 

@Maj. Bill Martin

No. I don't think Biden knows he is running. I think he believes he is just doing his favorite thing,attending fund raisers.

He is just doing what he has done his entire life,trying to scam money out of people by telling them what they want to hear,and denying he ever said anything they don't want to hear.

If he is breathing,he is lying. It is all he has ever done,and I have no doubt he will die with a lie on his lips.

[LMAO]

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

There is a huge cult of personality when it comes to Donald Trump. You see it in their support of his MAGA cities despite their instinct that idea is ridiculous. But he also feeds it. He’s out there claiming that Dan Kelly, in our Wisconsin Supreme Court race, lost because he didn’t seek his endorsement. Yet when he endorsed him in 2020, Kelly lost by something like 10 points. Why would you want someone to endorse you who  cost you the election the first time?

Trump doesn’t realize or believe that he is an election loser. Neither do his MAGA’s.

[MeshugeMikey]

There is a huge cult of personality when it comes to Donald Trump. You see it in their support of his MAGA cities despite their instinct that idea is ridiculous. But he also feeds it. He’s out there claiming that Dan Kelly, in our Wisconsin Supreme Court race, lost because he didn’t seek his endorsement. Yet when he endorsed him in 2020, Kelly lost by something like 10 points. Why would you want someone to endorse you who  cost you the election the first time?

Trump doesn’t realize or believe that he is an election loser. Neither do his MAGA’s.

The TRumpanzee live in that alternate reality of their own making...the one that allows them to believe that thier personalized  DONNY IDOLS  are the real thing.

[sneakypete]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

[GtHawk]

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?  They're all worried about their legacy at that point because they know they can't run again, and they know they'll never have another opportunity to be impactful historically.  Obama's proud that he got ObamaCare through, but I'm not happy about that.  So the real question isn't whether they want to be successful, but rather whether Trump's (or Biden's) idea of being successful historically is the same as mine.  And I don't feel that way about either Biden or Trump.  That's not just on policy with respect to Trump, because I also believe that he sees one of the ways to be viewed positively is to destroy anyone who might compete against him for that title.  He thinks he'll end up looking good if he destroys other Republicans who might snag some positive attention.

I see one of the hallmarks of great leaders is whether they leave behind people who will do good work after them.  But I see Trump affirmatively tearing down other Republicans I think are good, and promoting others than I think are not good.  DeSantis bad/MTG good is just not a direction I think is a good one, but that's where he'd take us.  And I just can't sign off on that.

See that's the problem, I know anyone who runs for President has a major ego but running so as to have a chance at a place in history is the weakest reason on Earth for anyone to run on. There are countless people who through invention, charity or good works have secured a place in history without running for President. Running for President and winning is just a bigger ego stroke. Before I get mugged, I'm not saying that's Trumps sole reason or any reason of his at all because we can't see the truth in anyone's head, I am commenting the reason posited by another.

[DCPatriot]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

Waste of time, IMO!

Just bite your lip and as Dionne Warwick might say..."Scroll on by!"   

[Bigun]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

At the top of the page there are a series of links. Punch the one that says "profile" then click on "summary".  On the left side of the page is a list. Scroll down to "Buddies/Igrore list and punch that.

Select "edit ignore list".

A box will appear that will allow you to add whomever you like to your ignore list.

[Cyber Liberty]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

1.  Click the "Profile" button at the top of every page.
2.  Hover over the "Modify Profile" button  A list of options will pop up.
3.  Hover over "Buddies/Ignore List" and click "Edit Ignore List."
4.  Type the desired screen name. 
5.  Click "Add."'

Done!

[sneakypete]

See that's the problem, I know anyone who runs for President has a major ego but running so as to have a chance at a place in history is the weakest reason on Earth for anyone to run on. There are countless people who through invention, charity or good works have secured a place in history without running for President. Running for President and winning is just a bigger ego stroke. Before I get mugged, I'm not saying that's Trumps sole reason or any reason of his at all because we can't see the truth in anyone's head, I am commenting the reason posited by another.

@GtHawk

When a storm destroys your roof and you need a new roof,what do you  care about,the personality of the roofer,or your roof not leaking the next time it rains?

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

At the top of the page there are a series of links. Punch the one that says "profile" then click on "summary".  On the left side of the page is a list. Scroll down to "Buddies/Igrore list and punch that.

Select "edit ignore list".

A box will appear that will allow you to add whomever you like to your ignore list.

@Bigun

Thank you!

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

1.  Click the "Profile" button at the top of every page.
2.  Hover over the "Modify Profile" button  A list of options will pop up.
3.  Hover over "Buddies/Ignore List" and click "Edit Ignore List."
4.  Type the desired screen name. 
5.  Click "Add."'

Done!

@Cyber Liberty

Thank you!

[LMAO]

@GtHawk

When a storm destroys your roof and you need a new roof,what do you  care about,the personality of the roofer,or your roof not leaking the next time it rains?

I would want to make sure that the contractor I hired is somebody that is honest and people trust with good references

And, I have had people repair my roof and I don’t stiff them like guess who? has a history of doing 

[roamer_1]

@GtHawk

When a storm destroys your roof and you need a new roof,what do you  care about,the personality of the roofer,or your roof not leaking the next time it rains?

BOTH. Or rather, the integrity of the roofer and a good job done.

BOTH are equally important.

[sneakypete]

BOTH. Or rather, the integrity of the roofer and a good job done.

BOTH are equally important.

@LMAO  @roamer_1

Have you ever known someone who was dishonest that did an honest job?

[LMAO]

@LMAO  @roamer_1

Have you ever known someone who was dishonest that did an honest job?

No

I would never take my car to a mechanic that had a history of dishonesty

[roamer_1]

@LMAO  @roamer_1

Have you ever known someone who was dishonest that did an honest job?

@sneakypete

In a word, no. Honor among thieves only goes so far... and it turns out, unsurprisingly, that ain't far at all.

There is a reason why Conservatives count integrity... Character... very highly. I want above ALL, an honest man.

[roamer_1]

No

I would never take my car to a mechanic that had a history of dishonesty

That's right. Out here in the west a handshake is worth way more than a contract.

A man, any man, is only as good as his word. And any man that tries to keep his word knows how very hard it is to do. And in that it is the ultimate measure of the man... To the point that out here, where your word is still often a matter of life and death, it is the only measurement that counts.

[GtHawk]

@GtHawk

When a storm destroys your roof and you need a new roof,what do you  care about,the personality of the roofer,or your roof not leaking the next time it rains?

Well, just talking about the hypothetical roofer now, if the person I am interviewing to hire comes across with the personality that tells me to be wary I will look for someone whose personality rings trustworthy with me. That's just me, and your hypothetical roofer. Also if I hired that hypothetical roofer once and found he had overly embellished his work I would be hesitant to rehire him....that hypothetical roofer we are talking about.

[MeshugeMikey]

@sneakypete

In a word, no. Honor among thieves only goes so far... and it turns out, unsurprisingly, that ain't far at all.

There is a reason why Conservatives count integrity... Character... very highly. I want above ALL, an honest man.

I aksed a good long time friend if the donny were a moral man....he said well no....

fould bitter contemptuous contemptable..and malignant yes MORAL  never,,,,,trump •••

end of conversation...

[DCPatriot]

That's right. Out here in the west a handshake is worth way more than a contract.

A man, any man, is only as good as his word. And any man that tries to keep his word knows how very hard it is to do. And in that it is the ultimate measure of the man... To the point that out here, where your word is still often a matter of life and death, it is the only measurement that counts.

Since the thread has already been hijacked...

Was thinking hard...trying to empathize or somewhat imagine the experience of the personalities of the typical Pioneer Settler who owned nothing but the wagon, its contents and the animal(s) pulling it.

They never experienced an Industrial Revolution, the railroads were merely a gleam in some dreamer's eye.

They never experience indoor plumbing, their lives were similar to "Alaska Survivor" sans the typical winters.

Without a doubt they would survive an EMP attack.  Average American today...not so much.

Tangent finished here...sorry!   

[roamer_1]

I aksed a good long time friend if the donny were a moral man....he said well no....

fould bitter contemptuous contemptable..and malignant yes MORAL  never,,,,,trump •••


end of conversation...

In the end, that's right. Character first.
If he can't be trusted, he can't be trusted. 

[roamer_1]

Since the thread has already been hijacked...

Was thinking hard...trying to empathize or somewhat imagine the experience of the personalities of the typical Pioneer Settler who owned nothing but the wagon, its contents and the animal(s) pulling it.

They never experienced an Industrial Revolution, the railroads were merely a gleam in some dreamer's eye.

They never experience indoor plumbing, their lives were similar to "Alaska Survivor" sans the typical winters.

Without a doubt they would survive an EMP attack.  Average American today...not so much.

Tangent finished here...sorry!   

It is still a whole lot that way @DCPatriot . That's why the west still remains distinctly libertarian - That rugged individualism is very much alive and well... Our dependencies are toward conveniences... like anywhere, but here, they are still merely conveniences. The further out from town you go, the less reliable they are... So they are not relied upon, and the old ways are still the ways that always work.

I have often been where the only conveniences were kerosene and propane. and when the propane runs out, you just go back to cooking on the wood stove, and clean out the refrigerator and stuff it all back in the root cellar.

Maybe that's why western conservatives think so differently than others. The real world ain't all that far off...

 

[LMAO]

Since the thread has already been hijacked...

Was thinking hard...trying to empathize or somewhat imagine the experience of the personalities of the typical Pioneer Settler who owned nothing but the wagon, its contents and the animal(s) pulling it.

They never experienced an Industrial Revolution, the railroads were merely a gleam in some dreamer's eye.

They never experience indoor plumbing, their lives were similar to "Alaska Survivor" sans the typical winters.

Without a doubt they would survive an EMP attack.  Average American today...not so much.

Tangent finished here...sorry!   

That’s all true, but I do like my automobile, my outboard motor, my indoor heating and air conditioning, and flush toilets even if it puts me at a risk for EMP attack

[roamer_1]

That’s all true, but I do like my automobile, my outboard motor, my indoor heating and air conditioning, and flush toilets even if it puts me at a risk for EMP attack

Me too... but I don't NEED them.

[jmyrlefuller]

I researched that and found that even if he is convicted, it does not preclude him from gaining the nomination or even become POTUS.

What the slimey dims are banking on, is that a conviction will sway enough swing voters not to vote for him.

The sentencing could also put a gag order on him,  preventing him from using social media during his jail time.

[Hoodat]

I aksed a good long time friend if the donny were a moral man....he said well no....

Trump is a compassionate man.  The current White House occupant is completely devoid of compassion.

[MeshugeMikey]

oh my word

my most sincere  condolances