Mid-term Election 2022 Live Thread – Welcome to the Party Pal!

[Hoodat]

Inevitably comes the desire to cheat better than they do 

Which Republicans will never ever be able to do.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Inevitably comes the desire to cheat better than they do 

 

The referee (courts) ok’d it.

[Ghost Bear]

Inevitably comes the desire to cheat better than they do 

It's not cheating if the rules allow it.

[Kamaji]

It's not cheating if the rules allow it.

[Cyber Liberty]

The referee (courts) ok’d it.

They only do that if it gives a boost to Dem cheating.  They would be on Reps like white on rice.

[Free Vulcan]

It's not cheating if the rules allow it.

I despise it, but we are in the middle of trench knife fighting.

Have to counter them before they eat us alive.

[Bigun]

It's not cheating if the rules allow it.

What freekin rules?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWTpAydpjI

[mystery-ak]

 Adam Frisch in Washington for new-member orientation

by: Lanie Lee Cook   

Posted: Nov 15, 2022 / 05:55 PM MST   

DENVER (KDVR) — The race between Lauren Boebert and Adam Frisch is still undecided, but preparations for the next meeting of Congress must go on.

That’s why Frisch is in Washington for new-member orientation, even as he trails his incumbent opponent by 1,122 votes. Newly elected lawmakers arrived for orientation on Monday, including the handful of candidates who remain in undecided races.

“It is in the best interest of the district for me to attend new member orientation given the closeness of this race, which could be unsettled for another month,” Frisch said in a statement.

Frisch said that congressional candidates in close races show up for new-member orientation every election cycle, “and the invite list and process is run by non-partisan House administration.”
Thousands of votes still uncounted in CO-3 race

Frisch, a Democrat and former Aspen city council member, had a strong showing in the race, leading Boebert by thousands of votes on election night. Once Boebert took the lead on Thursday, her advantage grew from just dozens of votes at one point to hundreds as counts trickled in.

Frisch said 3,000-6,000 ballots — cured, overseas and others — are still outstanding in the 3rd District race. Ballots from overseas voters, which had to be postmarked by Nov. 8, are due by Wednesday. Then, the next state-mandated reporting update is on Friday.

The district leans Republican. Voters there have not sent a Democrat to Congress since 2008.

more
https://kdvr.com/news/politics/election/adam-frisch-in-washington-for-new-member-orientation/

[roamer_1]

I despise it, but we are in the middle of trench knife fighting.

Have to counter them before they eat us alive.

And in that, the true destruction.

Just like the desperate 'need' for right facing journalism to spin just as much as the left... Now there is no journalism at all.

[catfish1957]

Which Republicans will never ever be able to do.

Yep, when in the hallmark of the all time greatest legends of electoral cheaters.....  All are dims.   JFK, LBJ, Richard Dailey, Al Franken...and maybe a few more I can't put afinger on.

[libertybele]

Yep, when in the hallmark of the all time greatest legends of electoral cheaters.....  All are dims.   JFK, LBJ, Richard Dailey, Al Franken...and maybe a few more I can't put afinger on.

...hmm .... Joe Biden come to mind?   

[Free Vulcan]

And in that, the true destruction.

Just like the desperate 'need' for right facing journalism to spin just as much as the left... Now there is no journalism at all.

Like I said, I don't like it at all, but war - whatever form it takes - is ugly.

Better this than bullets.

[roamer_1]

Like I said, I don't like it at all, but war - whatever form it takes - is ugly.

Better this than bullets.

Till every moral good is gone... Jussayin.

[mystery-ak]

Why Is it Taking So Long for California to Count Ballots? And What's the Deal With Ballot Harvesting?
By Jennifer Van Laar | 2:00 PM on November 16, 2022

As regular readers know, I have an illogical love for my home state of California, and despite the loud and persistent calls from many conservatives to abandon it, I steadfastly refuse. Still, I am not under any delusions about the efficacy of our government or the sensibility of our laws – and they tend to get more stupid as the years go by.

Right now, the country’s waiting for California to finish counting ballots from an election held over a week ago, and House races called just last night determined GOP control. Why is it taking so long? What’s with this ballot harvesting thing? Does it mean just going door-to-door and asking for ballots from unsuspecting, low-information voters? And what does it mean to “cure” a ballot?

Believe it or not, California’s election process wasn’t always so lengthy or chaotic. How did we get here? In 2016 a trio of bills were passed that, together, significantly changed how California’s election process works:

    SB 450, Voter’s Choice Act
        required mail ballots to be sent to all voters in a participating county
        required elections officials to forward ballots they receive from voters in other counties to the appropriate county
        eliminated precinct-based polling places in favor of county-wide “vote centers” and 10 days of early in-person voting
    AB 1921, legalized ballot harvesting statewide
        Allows any person a voter designates to return their ballot for them
        Ballot harvester can hold a ballot for up to 72 hours before delivering it to elections officials
        No training or accreditation required; no registry of ballot harvesters or chain of custody
        Harvester is supposed to sign their name on the ballot, but ballot will be counted even if the harvester’s signature is missing
    AB 1461, Motor Voter Act – automatically registers people to vote when they interact with the DMV unless they opt out
 
much more
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/11/16/why-is-it-taking-so-long-for-california-to-count-ballots-and-whats-the-deal-with-ballot-harvesting-n659147

[Ghost Bear]

Till every moral good is gone... Jussayin.

Things never get better by doing nothing.

[roamer_1]

Things never get better by doing nothing.

Nor do they get better doing wrong.

[libertybele]

Nor do they get better doing wrong.

 

[Bigun]

Which Republicans will never ever be able to do.

Nor should they want to! What they should be doing IMHO is taking every possible route to ensure that our laws are enforced!

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/11/16/harris-county-da-kim-ogg-launches-investigation-into-countys-elections-issues/

Things like this should be happening in local jurisdictions all over this lad right now.

[Ghost Bear]

Nor do they get better doing wrong.

So following the rules as written is now "wrong".  Wow, ok.

[roamer_1]

So following the rules as written is now "wrong".  Wow, ok.

Yeah it's wrong. It's basically yielding to a broad field that allows pretty unlimited cheating. And not far behind it, when playing the game fails to produce results, the cheating itself.

It's the wrong way.

[Ghost Bear]

Yeah it's wrong. It's basically yielding to a broad field that allows pretty unlimited cheating. And not far behind it, when playing the game fails to produce results, the cheating itself.

It's the wrong way.

What way would you recommend then?

[roamer_1]

What way would you recommend then?

Courts or control the legislature seem to be the options.
 Because you are chasing your tail trying to beat Democrats at cheating. And that's all this is - Legal or not.

[Ghost Bear]

Courts or control the legislature seem to be the options.
 Because you are chasing your tail trying to beat Democrats at cheating. And that's all this is - Legal or not.

Good luck finding a judge who will even hear your case.  And if you think the Democrats won't game the system to control state legislatures and governor's offices, I point you at Michigan.

And again I say, it isn't cheating if you are following the rules as written.

[Hoodat]

    AB 1921, legalized ballot harvesting statewide
        Allows any person a voter designates to return their ballot for them
        Ballot harvester can hold a ballot for up to 72 hours before delivering it to elections officials
        No training or accreditation required; no registry of ballot harvesters or chain of custody
        Harvester is supposed to sign their name on the ballot, but ballot will be counted even if the harvester’s signature is missing
    AB 1461, Motor Voter Act – automatically registers people to vote when they interact with the DMV unless they opt out

And with the very next election, seven GOP reps in heavily Republican Orange County were replaced by Democrats.  All seven.

[Hoodat]

And again I say, it isn't cheating if you are following the rules as written.

What if you're not following any of the rules?  What if you are allowing ballots to be submitted after election day?  What if you are double-counting ballots?  What if you allow changes to be made in election machine software, and then not re-certify the machines?  What if you don't check signatures on mail-in ballots or even accept mail-in ballots without signatures?  What if you set up more absentee ballot drop-off boxes than the law allows?  What if fail to monitor those drop boxes?  What if you allow ballot harvesting in violation of State law?  What if you fail to have a chain of custody for absentee ballot box pickups?  Repeatedly.  What if you accept new mail-in and online voter registrations without proper ID follow-up?  What if you tally ballots outside the hours when Republican observers are present?  And what if you hire a highly partisan political action group to be in charge of collecting ballots?

Each and every one of these things took place in Georgia in 2020/21.  Twice.

[Ghost Bear]

What if you're not following any of the rules?  What if you are allowing ballots to be submitted after election day?  What if you are double-counting ballots?  What if you allow changes to be made in election machine software, and then not re-certify the machines?  What if you don't check signatures on mail-in ballots or even accept mail-in ballots without signatures?  What if you set up more absentee ballot drop-off boxes than the law allows?  What if fail to monitor those drop boxes?  What if you allow ballot harvesting in violation of State law?  What if you fail to have a chain of custody for absentee ballot box pickups?  Repeatedly.  What if you accept new mail-in and online voter registrations without proper ID follow-up?  What if you tally ballots outside the hours when Republican observers are present?  And what if you hire a highly partisan political action group to be in charge of collecting ballots?

Each and every one of these things took place in Georgia in 2020/21.  Twice.

Then there is nothing you can do that will work, and you had best prepare for the Second American Revolution.

But before that begins, I suggest trying every legal means. And that includes exploiting laws that the Democrats have created.

[Free Vulcan]

What if you're not following any of the rules?  What if you are allowing ballots to be submitted after election day?  What if you are double-counting ballots?  What if you allow changes to be made in election machine software, and then not re-certify the machines?  What if you don't check signatures on mail-in ballots or even accept mail-in ballots without signatures?  What if you set up more absentee ballot drop-off boxes than the law allows?  What if fail to monitor those drop boxes?  What if you allow ballot harvesting in violation of State law?  What if you fail to have a chain of custody for absentee ballot box pickups?  Repeatedly.  What if you accept new mail-in and online voter registrations without proper ID follow-up?  What if you tally ballots outside the hours when Republican observers are present?  And what if you hire a highly partisan political action group to be in charge of collecting ballots?

Each and every one of these things took place in Georgia in 2020/21.  Twice.

Excellent point. All the rules in the world mean nothing if infractions aren't enforced, or not even observed because there is no transparency.

[mystery-ak]

Breaking News
REPUBLICANS SECURE MAJORITY IN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

[catfish1957]

Breaking News
REPUBLICANS SECURE MAJORITY IN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

144 hours after first polls close.  Disgusting.

[mystery-ak]

The GOP has now won 218 seats after the Associated Press projected that Republican Mike Garcia will win reelection in California's 27th Congressional District.

we knew this yesterday...when are they going to announce Kelly?

[Hoodat]

The GOP has now won 218 seats after the Associated Press projected that Republican Mike Garcia will win reelection in California's 27th Congressional District.

we knew this yesterday...when are they going to announce Kelly?

If the Dems can turn one Republican, then they will do everything possible to keep the GOP at 218 seats.  Find the most liberal Republican in the House, and that person (along with 217 Democrat votes) could be your next House Speaker.

[roamer_1]

And again I say, it isn't cheating if you are following the rules as written.

Right... and homo marriage is now good and wholesome because it has been legalized.
I get it.

[mystery-ak]

Stephen Miller
@StephenM
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The miracle of the ‘22 midterm is that GOP will take the House *in spite* of Democrats’ gargantuan ballot harvesting advantage. That is a testament to the enormous depths of Joe Biden’s unpopularity.

[Ghost Bear]

Right... and homo marriage is now good and wholesome because it has been legalized.
I get it.

Either work with every legal means available, give up, or prepare for war. Those are your three options.

If you think using legal means in an attempt to win elections is more immoral than consigning hundreds of millions to tyranny, or killing thousands or millions in a war, you have a strange moral compass.

[mystery-ak]

Interesting info re ballot harvesting

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_laws_by_state

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Right... and homo marriage is now good and wholesome because it has been legalized.
I get it.

If democrats do it without breaking the law then how is it cheating? Morally wrong? Meh, don’t think we have a choice any more.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1593036607397203968

[libertybele]

https://twitter.com/TheLeoTerrell/status/1593036607397203968

Lizzy I'm sure is foaming at the mouth to challenge Trump.  She'll have all the RINO's behind her of course; Pence, Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy, Mittens, etc. We'll see another circus performance. 

[libertybele]

If democrats do it without breaking the law then how is it cheating? Morally wrong? Meh, don’t think we have a choice any more.

Wrong!  We do have a choice.  We DO NOT have to accept what they are condoning. It may be the 'way of the leftists' but we can still stand for what we believe is right. 

[roamer_1]

If democrats do it without breaking the law then how is it cheating? Morally wrong? Meh, don’t think we have a choice any more.

A fool's errand... The reason it works for them is because it expands their ballot stuffing into an industry. Unless you mean to stuff ballots too... You'll always wind up short.

[Ghost Bear]

Wrong!  We do have a choice.  We DO NOT have to accept what they are condoning. It may be the 'way of the leftists' but we can still stand for what we believe is right.

Then, prepare for war.

[mystery-ak]

Alaska Update: Kelly Tshibaka Maintains Narrow Lead over Sen. Murkowski in First Round, Sarah Palin Trails Democrat

Jordan Dixon-Hamilton 16 Nov 2022

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) is cutting into her Republican opponent Kelly Tshibaka’s lead in the Alaska senate race, and Republican Sarah Palin trails Democrat Rep. Mary Peltola in the race for Alaska’s lone congressional seat, according to Alaska’s latest vote count update.

Tshibaka, who earned an endorsement from former President Donald Trump, has a narrow lead over pro-impeachment Sen. Murkowski. After roughly 27,000 more votes were counted on Tuesday, Tshibaka’s lead was cut from 3,000 to 565.

Tshibaka and Murkowski both have approximately 43 percent of the vote. Under Alaska’s new ranked-choice voting system, voters’ second and third choices will be tabulated if neither candidate earns more than 50 percent of the vote.

As Breitbart News explained:

    All candidates from all parties appear on the ballot together in the August primary. The top four vote-getters regardless of party then advance to the general election, and their voters are given the opportunity to pick their top choice, as well as their second and third choices. If no candidate in the first round of voters’ first choices gets 50 percent of the vote, the last place candidate’s second choices are distributed across the remaining three candidates to see if someone can get across the majority threshold. If that fails again to produce a majority vote-getter, then a third round is conducted where the third place candidate’s votes are redistributed according to second choices between the remaining two candidates.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/16/alaska-update-kelly-tshibaka-maintains-narrow-lead-over-sen-murkowski-in-first-round-sarah-palin-trails-democrat/

[aligncare]

Wrong!  We do have a choice.  We DO NOT have to accept what they are condoning. It may be the 'way of the leftists' but we can still stand for what we believe is right.

Yeah, our side wants to be virtuous while their side wants to win.  However, these particularly nasty winners then go about imposing their dystopian world vision on the rest of us.  Those are the rules.  Want change?  Then, win elections.

[libertybele]

Yeah, our side wants to be virtuous while their side wants to win.  However, these particularly nasty winners then go about imposing their dystopian world vision on the rest of us.  Those are the rules.  Want change?  Then, win elections.

The point being that no one can change who you are and what you believe in but you. Stand strong in your beliefs, your integrity and your values is the message I was trying to convey.

You want to win elections??  That's not going to happen until the RNC, GOP and voters find a way to ensure election integrity.

[Smokin Joe]

The point being that no one can change who you are and what you believe in but you. Stand strong in your beliefs, your integrity and your values is the message I was trying to convey.

You want to win elections??  That's not going to happen until the RNC, GOP and voters find a way to ensure election integrity.

And that won't happen until the entire GOP wants that.

I have said the absence of aggressive changes to election laws which enabled the Steal has not happened because the  GOPe or elements thereof find it handy to take out 'noisome' elements within the GOP, no matter how popular.

[aligncare]

@Smokin Joe
@libertybele

It’s the chicken and the egg dilemma.  In regards to election reform which must come first?  My answer, winning (rigged) elections—by any means necessary.  Then, legislatively unrigging them.

Of course, that must happen state by state.

[Hoodat]

After roughly 27,000 more votes were counted on Tuesday, Tshibaka’s lead was cut from 3,000 to 565.

How convenient.  That means Murkowski, who was only pulling in 42% of the vote, magically collected over 55% of these 27,000 votes.

[catfish1957]

How convenient.  That means Murkowski, who was only pulling in 42% of the vote, magically collected over 55% of these 27,000 votes.

From what I understand that with the ranking garbage to determine winner, it is almost a certainty that all the dim candidate's "2nd choice" votes will go to Murkowski.  This race was decided months ago.

[libertybele]

@Smokin Joe
@libertybele

It’s the chicken and the egg dilemma.  In regards to election reform which must come first?  My answer, winning (rigged) elections—by any means necessary.  Then, legislatively unrigging them.

Of course, that must happen state by state.

That's what I don't understand @aligncare -- ultimately it is up to the State's to implement election reform, I get that, but also each state has to abide by federal law.  At least that is how it has been explained to me. So you would think that our GOP Senators and Congressmen would be 'encouraging' a change in election laws and 'encourage' the States to do something along with the RNC.  You would think that the GOP governors would get up off their butts. 

Then there needs to be something in place to ensure that the Supervisor of Elections follow the rules.  Conservative precinct captains and poll watchers are needed with a way to report fraud.

Secondly, we need to get back to voting on Election Day only. No early voting or mail in ballots.

[catfish1957]

After a tough few weeks, Thought I'd give everyone a bit of good news for 2024.  Looking ahead?

Looking at the 2024 senate elections, I see  as many as 8 democratic seats flippable,  versus 0 for the GOP.  Not having to play more defense will give us a huge strategic adantage.

These states are in play as far as I am concerned, if we can get really good solid vetted candidates.

AZ- Sinema
MT- Tester
NV-Rosen
OH- Brown
PA- Casey (retiring)
VA- Kaine
WV- Manchin
WI- Baldwin