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Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« on: October 07, 2022, 04:41:25 pm »
Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
Donald Trump may be an embattled man, but he is still the best of what the Republicans have.
By Paul Ingrassia
October 6, 2022

Donald Trump is the kingmaker of the Republican Party, and for that reason alone, he remains the best choice for 2024 despite the firestorm of negative media coverage, censorship, and the looming threat of indictment, which have haunted him since being forced out of office in January 2021. In the time since Trump has been gone, Americans have watched their economy tank, their freedoms attacked, and we are now disconcertingly close to an out-and-out ground war with nuclear Russia. Meanwhile, Democrats plan to do irreparable damage to institutions (like the Supreme Court) that have checked the worst excesses of liberal hegemony. The military industrial complex, having been subdued in the Trump years, is now back with a vengeance not seen since the Bush-Cheney years. For their part, the Republicans have reverted to their preferred disposition: that of lovable losers.

The concerted efforts of many Republican establishment types to elevate Florida Governor Ron DeSantis over Trump is in keeping with that disposition. It would be a grave mistake for many reasons. At the top of the list is DeSantis’ failure to outcompete Trump from the Right on any meaningful issue. This was revealed early in the pandemic when DeSantis imposed some of the strictest lockdowns in the country, only to roll them back months after it became obvious that, for most people, COVID-19 was no worse than a severe flu. To his credit, DeSantis learned from his mistake and now presides over one of the freest states in the country, all things considered; a feat made even more impressive by Florida’s size as the third largest in the union. That said, DeSantis’ stardom has also benefited from a number of serendipitous circumstances: as liberal states shut down one by one, DeSantis didn’t have to do much to make Sunny Florida an especially attractive place for expats. That, combined with a red-hot real estate market and the desire to rechristen Miami as the decentralized technology alternative to Silicon Valley briefly advanced Florida as a beacon of freedom in contrast to a world that had gone dark under Biden.

DeSantis’ ascendancy, however, may have reached its peak—or the very least, the favorable conditions which gave rise to his national stardom on the Right may soon buckle under the pressures of a weakening economy and the upcoming midterms, which feature candidates many MAGA candidates who could steal a bit of DeSantis’ thunder. The bottom line is that DeSantis distinguished himself on a rather weak playing field: His closest gubernatorial competitors, Kristi Noam and Greg Abbott, are distant seconds in levels of competence and political aptitude—themselves unable to break decisively from the Republican establishment on transgender issues and immigration.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2022, 10:42:02 pm »
Mr. DeSantis will get his time in the sun.
But it will come after Mr. Trump has finished with his.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2022, 10:42:53 pm »
If DeSantis is an option, I'm voting FOR him.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2022, 12:39:34 am »
Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
Donald Trump may be an embattled man, but he is still the best of what the Republicans have.


ANYONE who does what is right and decent will be embattled.

Anyone who is not embattled is a lackey for the enemy.

Anyone who is not embattled is the enemy's choice
because they will provide only token opposition to the enemy's attacks.
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2022, 12:49:11 am »
I think it's a binary choice. Trump and DeSantis won't be in the same race at the same time.
The Republic is lost.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2022, 01:33:56 am »
   Trump joins GHWB in the annals of History for opportunities LOST, as I figured it would be.
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2022, 03:23:42 am »
Let the 2024 GOP Presidential Primary campaigns begin.

Any Republican who wants to run for President in 2024 has to be willing to go through Trump to get it.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2022, 03:31:31 am »
    This is an actual picture of Trump disposing of Sen. Cruz in 2016.




    No Republican, other than Cruz and DeSantis has the cajones to do this.
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2022, 03:38:23 am »
I doubt DeSantis will run if Trump does, but if so, I would support him over Trump.  Trump could lose some luster if Walker, Oz, Mastriano and Master all go down to defeat.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2022, 11:05:49 am »
I think Trump "leaned his lesson" on who to trust and is ready to "clean house" as best he can.I would like to see Trump and President and DeSantis as VP for Trumps final term which would allow DeSantis to get his feet on the ground so to speak and then pick up the pieces for two terms.
Trump is still the bulldozer we need but DeSantis has the discipline to clean things up afterwards.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2022, 03:22:50 pm »
   Trump joins GHWB in the annals of History for opportunities LOST, as I figured it would be.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2022, 03:32:15 pm »
The prime reason this is true is because Trump can only serve one term,and one term just does NOT give him enough time to turn things around.

This is also why we need DeSantis waiting in the wings to take over after "Trump times out"

MUCH better to have a conservative in the WH for 12 years than 8.
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2022, 03:34:54 pm »
I think it's a binary choice. Trump and DeSantis won't be in the same race at the same time.

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I don't understand. Is there some reason DeSantis can't run as Trump's VP,and then step into the "ring" as the Presidential candidate once Trump is forced by lay to step down?

Is there something wrong about a "Trump/DeSantis ticket" come the next Presidential elections?
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2022, 03:37:32 pm »
   Trump joins GHWB in the annals of History for opportunities LOST, as I figured it would be.

@corbe

You should be ashamed of yourself for lumping them together. All Boy Jorge ever did was work for globalism,and Trump worked to restore American freedoms.

Boy Jorge has the almost full-backing of congress and the Senate,and Trump had to fight them every inch of the way.

Even after all that,the Dims had to steal the election to "win".
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2022, 03:37:51 pm »
@Free Vulcan

I don't understand. Is there some reason DeSantis can't run as Trump's VP,and then step into the "ring" as the Presidential candidate once Trump is forced by lay to step down?

Is there something wrong about a "Trump/DeSantis ticket" come the next Presidential elections?

It could happen, but I don't see it. My estimation is both are alphas that won't sit second, but you never know.
The Republic is lost.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2022, 03:38:53 pm »
I think Trump "leaned his lesson" on who to trust and is ready to "clean house" as best he can.I would like to see Trump and President and DeSantis as VP for Trumps final term which would allow DeSantis to get his feet on the ground so to speak and then pick up the pieces for two terms.
Trump is still the bulldozer we need but DeSantis has the discipline to clean things up afterwards.

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And THERE it is!
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2022, 03:43:16 pm »
I doubt DeSantis will run if Trump does, but if so, I would support him over Trump.  Trump could lose some luster if Walker, Oz, Mastriano and Master all go down to defeat.

Nailed it.

DJT's political brand has taken a major hit in the midterms.  His peddling Walker and OZ may have cost us the senate.

I prefer DeSantis to Trump, but will crawl through glass in November 2024 to vote for either one.
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2022, 03:51:09 pm »
I think Trump "leaned his lesson" on who to trust and is ready to "clean house" as best he can.I would like to see Trump and President and DeSantis as VP for Trumps final term which would allow DeSantis to get his feet on the ground so to speak and then pick up the pieces for two terms.
Trump is still the bulldozer we need but DeSantis has the discipline to clean things up afterwards.

Agree. In his time running for and serving as president, Trump has gained quite a bit of, shall we say—personal insight regarding Washington politics. I absolutely support his running again and winning it the third time.  Who better than Trump can identify and dismantle at least some of the more grievous agencies in the permanent bureaucracy. He deserves this chance if karma were a credible thing.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2022, 04:27:33 pm »
I think Trump "leaned his lesson" on who to trust and is ready to "clean house" as best he can.I would like to see Trump and President and DeSantis as VP for Trumps final term which would allow DeSantis to get his feet on the ground so to speak and then pick up the pieces for two terms.
Trump is still the bulldozer we need but DeSantis has the discipline to clean things up afterwards.

DeSantis is one of the best true political leaders we have had in decades.  Having him pigeonholed as VPOTUS on funeral duty would be a terrible waste.

Hey Pedo Joe...  DeSantis had a bridge rebuilt in 3 days.  All you do is destroy.
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2022, 10:33:11 pm »
sneakypete observed:
"The prime reason this is true is because Trump can only serve one term,and one term just does NOT give him enough time to turn things around.
This is also why we need DeSantis waiting in the wings to take over after "Trump times out""


Agreed.
And -- just as importantly -- Mr. Desantis needs to be Mr. Trump's VP candidate in 2024.

Reason why:
Although he still appears to be vigorous and sharp, Mr. Trump may at some point between 2025 and 2029 no longer be in office. That's why if Ron DeSantis becomes his VP, he can step forward into the Oval Office if required to do so.
(I'm just a realist about such things...)
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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2022, 10:37:36 pm »
sneakypete observed:
"The prime reason this is true is because Trump can only serve one term,and one term just does NOT give him enough time to turn things around.
This is also why we need DeSantis waiting in the wings to take over after "Trump times out""


Agreed.
And -- just as importantly -- Mr. Desantis needs to be Mr. Trump's VP candidate in 2024.

Reason why:
Although he still appears to be vigorous and sharp, Mr. Trump may at some point between now and 2029 no longer be in office. That's why if Ron DeSantis becomes his VP, he can step forward into the Oval Office if required to do so.
(I'm just a realist about such things...)

For all of you who want DeSantis to be Trump's VP, all that's left of Trump's picks is wreckage. None of them survive Trump. Only a fool would take the job. Populist and principled don't mix.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2022, 10:41:49 pm »
For all of you who want DeSantis to be Trump's VP, all that's left of Trump's picks is wreckage. None of them survive Trump. Only a fool would take the job. Populist and principled don't mix.

YEP.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2022, 11:15:22 pm »
sneakypete observed:
"The prime reason this is true is because Trump can only serve one term,and one term just does NOT give him enough time to turn things around.
This is also why we need DeSantis waiting in the wings to take over after "Trump times out""


Agreed.
And -- just as importantly -- Mr. Desantis needs to be Mr. Trump's VP candidate in 2024.

Reason why:
Although he still appears to be vigorous and sharp, Mr. Trump may at some point between 2025 and 2029 no longer be in office. That's why if Ron DeSantis becomes his VP, he can step forward into the Oval Office if required to do so.
(I'm just a realist about such things...)

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2022, 11:16:21 pm »
I don't understand. Is there some reason DeSantis can't run as Trump's VP,and then step into the "ring" as the Presidential candidate once Trump is forced by lay to step down?

Is there something wrong about a "Trump/DeSantis ticket" come the next Presidential elections?


       Amendment XII

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       one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; ... "

If Trump and DeSantis appeared on the same ticket,
Florida's electoral votes would be invalidated,
and the Dems would win.

In 2000, Bush and Cheney were both residents of Texas.
So Cheney changed his residence to his vacation home in Wyoming.

Trump could do similarly.
He could change his residence to some other property he owns.

I'm sure he would definitely not change back to New York!
He spends some time at a country club he owns in New Jersey,
but their taxes are almost as bad as New York!

I think he still owns a hotel in Las Vegas.
He should spend some time there to establish "residence."

Or buy some real estate in Texas.

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Re: Why The Right Should Choose Trump Over DeSantis
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2022, 11:21:40 pm »
For all of you who want DeSantis to be Trump's VP, all that's left of Trump's picks is wreckage. None of them survive Trump. Only a fool would take the job. Populist and principled don't mix.

WHAT?  So far this year, over 95% of Trump's picks have won their elections!
What wreckage?

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MI 6  Fred Upton    WA 3  Jaime Herrera Beutler    MI 3  Peter Meijer       NY 24  John Katko       CA 21  David Valadao