Author Topic: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago  (Read 102251 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #600 on: August 09, 2022, 05:40:45 pm »
‘Cocktail Napkin,’ ‘Letters,’ Taken from Trump Residence in Previous Search

Various unclassified items were taken from former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in a previous search.

Spencer Lindquist 9 Aug 2022

Various unclassified items were taken from former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in a previous search.

Prior to the FBI raid of Trump’s residence on Monday, the National Archives and Records Administration retrieved various items from Mar-a-Lago. The search, which occurred in January, resulted in several boxes of documents being retrieved from Trump’s home.

An anonymous source told the Washington Post that a variety of different items were taken from the Trump residence in Mar-a-Lago, claiming that the list of unclassified items that were taken is roughly 100 pages long.

The Washington Post noted that “items that were improperly taken to Mar-a-Lago include a cocktail napkin, a phone list, charts, slide decks, letters, memos, maps, talking points, a birthday dinner menu, schedules and more.”


https://twitter.com/sarahcwestwood/status/1557006496424132613

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/09/cocktail-napkin-letters-taken-from-trump-residence-in-previous-search/
« Last Edit: August 09, 2022, 05:41:40 pm by mystery-ak »
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,788
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #601 on: August 09, 2022, 05:41:28 pm »
Some say destroy, I say this emboldens them even more, and increases their power......

Actions cause reactions. It is not hard to see a knee-jerk revulsion from the people getting fed liberalism through a fire hose. The reaction is predictable - Even city folks are chaffing, and they're fairly used to fascist overlords.

Quote
Look what they have been able to get away with the past few years, with no repercussions


That is entirely because they can. And the government big enough to give you what you what, is big enough to take everything you have - And it will.

This is precisely why Republicans can no longer deny the desperate need for, and legitimacy of libertarianism and fiscal conservatism. Had Conservatives been in power, even within the party, this could not ever have happened.

Quote
I see nothing on the horizon changing that.

In the short term, November. All it takes is a House overturned to the GOP and they can be stopped nearly dead.

As to the 2nd Amendment, I am confident all the new laws will be overturned, and if not, ignored throughout rural areas and red states - And if they push it, they will find out. I will not give up on that front without blood... And I am not alone. Hell, I am a multitude, everywhere I care to roam.

We are still a long, long way from takeover... Providing the dollar stays viable.
But this better serve as a wake up call. Folks better start insisting upon smaller federal government.
They would not be able to do what they are trying to do if government was 1/10th it's current scope.

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,405
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #602 on: August 09, 2022, 05:49:06 pm »
Had Conservatives been in power, even within the party, this could not ever have happened.

Damn straight!
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,220
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #603 on: August 09, 2022, 05:55:22 pm »
   A Conservative never would have signed off on Robert Mueller, James Comey or Christopher Wray in the first place.
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
« Last Edit: August 09, 2022, 06:02:22 pm by Bigun »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #606 on: August 09, 2022, 06:21:49 pm »
Trump accuses Biden of knowing about FBI raid like he knew about Hunter's 'deals'

Former President Trump on Tuesday continued to excoriate 'Radical Left' Democrats after the FBI raided his Mar-a-Lago residence. In a post on Truth Social, Trump said the raid was a continuation of Russian collusion allegations, the Impeachment "Hoax," and more.

"To make matters it is all, in my opinion, a coordinated attack with Radical Left Democrat state & local D.A.'s & A.G.'s," Trump said.

In a follow-up post, he accused President Biden of supposedly knowing about the raid, "just like he knew all about Hunter's 'deals.'"
Posted by Bradford Betz
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,220
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #607 on: August 09, 2022, 06:46:40 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 62,268
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #608 on: August 09, 2022, 06:48:03 pm »
Apparently, one of the explanations that is being bandied about for this raid is the theory that if Trump is convicted for mishandling government documents, then he would be barred from holding public office - including the presidency - under 18 USC 2071.

However, that statute is quite possibly unconstitutional as applied to the office of the president.  The Constitution imposes three requirements for a person to be the president:  be at least 35 years of age, be a natural born US Citizen, and have lived in the US for at least 14 years.  There is no requirement that the individual in question not have a criminal record, even a federal criminal record.

Accordingly, as applied to the office of the president, 18 USC 2071 would effectively be imposing an additional requirement for a person to qualify as the president over and above what the Constitution requires, and as such would be unconstitutional.

I think this argument has great merit.

Yes, if a court actually gives Trump Standing.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #609 on: August 09, 2022, 06:54:16 pm »
Yes, if a court actually gives Trump Standing.

If he is being denied eligibility as president, then he has standing.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 62,268
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #610 on: August 09, 2022, 07:02:05 pm »
If he is being denied eligibility as president, then he has standing.

I would hope so, but that hope is under serious strain with previous SCOTUS rulings.  They would not give standing to actual Electoral College Electors when the question of O'Bastard's eligibility came up after 2008.  Folks who were the very people casting the votes to elect a President were deemed as not needing to know if the Nominee for whom they were voting was eligible under the Constitution's requirement for a Natural Born Citizen.

That's breathtaking.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,788
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #611 on: August 09, 2022, 07:07:40 pm »
I would hope so, but that hope is under serious strain with previous SCOTUS rulings.  They would not give standing to actual Electoral College Electors when the question of O'Bastard's eligibility came up after 2008.  Folks who were the very people casting the votes to elect a President were deemed as not needing to know if the Nominee for whom they were voting was eligible under the Constitution's requirement for a Natural Born Citizen.

That's breathtaking.

No, not really. It is the states that cert eligibility. The states have standing if the application was falsified.

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #612 on: August 09, 2022, 07:12:08 pm »
No, not really. It is the states that cert eligibility. The states have standing if the application was falsified.

All this while we suffer a vice president who is not even remotely constitutionally qualified to hold that office.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,788
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #613 on: August 09, 2022, 07:16:10 pm »
All this while we suffer a vice president who is not even remotely constitutionally qualified to hold that office.

That seems to be a trend.  :whistle:

Again... The government big enough to... Oh, nevermind. You already know.  :beer:

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 62,268
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #614 on: August 09, 2022, 07:16:28 pm »
No, not really. It is the states that cert eligibility. The states have standing if the application was falsified.

States questioning eligibility were also denied Standing.  Everybody under the sun was.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,788
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #615 on: August 09, 2022, 07:19:31 pm »
States questioning eligibility were also denied Standing.  Everybody under the sun was.

Technically, the states, or representatives of the states? Republican legislators are not the state. The legislature moving en-toto is the state.

Offline corbe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,220
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #616 on: August 09, 2022, 07:26:40 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

Offline Right_in_Virginia

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 84,000
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #617 on: August 09, 2022, 07:28:24 pm »
"They never made their plans a secret."  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1557077393990471681

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #618 on: August 09, 2022, 07:33:25 pm »
Exclusive — Sen. John Cornyn on Reported Reason for Trump Raid: ‘Thin Gruel’

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) thinks that the reported reason for the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s personal residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is “thin gruel.”

Matthew Boyle9 Aug 2022Washington, DC0

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) thinks that the reported reason for the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s personal residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is “thin gruel,” his spokesman told Breitbart News, adding that he backs other Republican calls for an immediate investigation into Attorney General Merrick Garland on the matter.

The publicly reported reason for the raid, which Cornyn believes is “thin gruel,” is Trump duking it out with the National Archives over presidential records he supposedly took to Mar-a-Lago upon leaving the White House. The fact that the FBI raided his personal residence and broke into his safe—which was, according to his son Eric Trump, empty when agents opened it—is a significant escalation for a process fight over document sharing and preservation.

Cornyn’s spokesman, Drew Brandewie, told Breitbart News that the Texas Republican backs House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy’s announcement that Garland is under investigation for the matter.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/09/exclusive-sen-john-cornyn-on-reported-reason-for-trump-raid-thin-gruel/
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,766
  • Twitter is for Twits
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #619 on: August 09, 2022, 07:42:09 pm »
Both. There's no way that DoJ makes a move on a former President without the current occupant knowing about it.

@txradioguy

I disagree. The current occupant doesn't even know who he is some days.

I have no doubt that Slow Joe's handler/puppet master gave the orders to do this,though.

I would love to know who that is. I suspect Soros,but it could be practically anyone in the Billionaire Club. If Trump gets in the WH again,it will cost them Billions.
Anyone who isn't paranoid in 2021 just isn't thinking clearly!

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,766
  • Twitter is for Twits
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #620 on: August 09, 2022, 07:47:16 pm »
To be fair, he also gave money to Jeb Bush in 2015.

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Bruce+Reinhart

@Hoodat

There is a difference between the political leanings of Jeb and Biden?

Two peas in a pod.
Anyone who isn't paranoid in 2021 just isn't thinking clearly!

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,766
  • Twitter is for Twits
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #621 on: August 09, 2022, 07:49:52 pm »
First Photo: Agent  Photographed Outside Of Trump's Palm Beach Resort Mar-a-Lago During FBI Raid



https://radaronline.com/p/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-first-photo-fbi-raid-agent-machine-gun/

@Right_in_Virginia

Do the BATF weenies normally hold carbines like that,or is he afraid it is going to decide to start shooting,and needs to keep a strong grip on it?
Anyone who isn't paranoid in 2021 just isn't thinking clearly!

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #622 on: August 09, 2022, 07:52:01 pm »
August 9, 2022 6:00pm EDT
Trump vs. National Archives: A timeline leading up to the Mar-a-Lago raid
Former President Trump returned 15 boxes of presidential documents in January
By David Spunt , Thomas Catenacci | Fox News

Here are the events that led to the FBI's raid:

January 2021

Trump departs the White House shortly before President Biden is sworn into office.

The former president takes with him an undisclosed number of boxes containing classified documents.


Late 2021

National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), the agency tasked with preserving federal government records contacts representatives of Trump.

NARA officials inquire about missing potentially-classified information.


January 2022

Shortly after correspondence with NARA, Trump returns 15 missing boxes of classified materials from his time in office.

"NARA had ongoing communications with the representatives of former President Trump throughout 2021, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes to NARA in January 2022," David Ferriero, who served as NARA director from November 2009 until April, wrote to House Oversight Committee Chair Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., in response to an inquiry in February.

He said that the agency was in the process of inventorying the contents of the boxes as of Feb. 18.

Ferriero added that NARA requested Trump representatives "continue to search for any additional Presidential records that have not been transferred to NARA, as required by the Presidential Records Act" and that the agency notified the DOJ since classified documents were identified in the boxes Trump turned over.



June 2022

Senior DOJ officials travel to Mar-a-Lago to meet with lawyers representing Trump regarding additional missing documents. Jay Bratt, the chief of DOJ's counterintelligence and export control section is in attendance.

Trump briefly stopped by during the negotiations to greet the officials.


June – August 2022

Negotiations between DOJ investigators and Trump's representatives break down due to apparent lack of cooperation from Trump.

It is unclear when negotiations exactly deteriorated.


Early August 2022

This month, following the break-down of negotiations between the DOJ and Trump, federal investigators decide to pursue a search warrant to obtain classified government materials the former president still possessed.

On Aug. 5, prosecutors submit an affidavit requesting a search warrant. A federal magistrate judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida then approves the search warrant.

On Aug. 8, FBI agents execute the raid and obtain an unknown number of documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vs-national-archives-timeline-leading-mar-a-lago-raid
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Elderberry

  • TBR Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,305
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #623 on: August 09, 2022, 07:54:50 pm »
No, not really. It is the states that cert eligibility. The states have standing if the application was falsified.

In each state, it is clerks that cert eligibility. The secretary of state.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #624 on: August 09, 2022, 07:56:46 pm »
MSNBC’s Wallace: ‘Disgusting’ Republican Response to Trump FBI Raid ‘New Low’

MSNBC anchor Nicolle Wallace said Tuesday on “Deadline” that the Republican response to former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, FL being raided by the FBI was a “disgusting” new low.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/08/09/msnbcs-wallace-disgusting-republican-response-to-trump-fbi-raid-new-low/
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #625 on: August 09, 2022, 07:57:55 pm »
Alyssa Farah Griffin: DOJ May Have Just ‘Handed’ Trump the Presidency in 2024 with FBI Raid

Former Trump White House communications director Alyssa Farah Griffin said on Tuesday on CNN’s “New Day” that the Department of Justice may have “handed” Donald Trump the Republican nomination and the presidency in 2024 with the Monday night FBI raid of his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, FL.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/08/09/alyssa-farah-griffin-doj-may-have-just-handed-trump-the-presidency-in-2024-with-fbi-raid/
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,766
  • Twitter is for Twits
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #626 on: August 09, 2022, 08:00:00 pm »
I believe McConnell and Graham told Biden to do it.  The Republican Establishment is freaked out by what happened in Arizona and by Cheney's poll numbers in Wyoming,  they see the party slipping from their grasp.

@dfwgator

You may well be right on that one. Both of those parasites have strings pulled by the DNC.
Anyone who isn't paranoid in 2021 just isn't thinking clearly!

Offline Right_in_Virginia

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 84,000
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #627 on: August 09, 2022, 08:22:23 pm »
 888mouth


Offline Right_in_Virginia

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 84,000
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #628 on: August 09, 2022, 08:24:04 pm »
Quote
Rep. Mike Turner, top Republican on House Intelligence, sends FBI Director Christopher Wray a preservation request for:

- Court filings used for Mar-a-Lago search warrant
- Communications between National Archives and DOJ
- Documents seized from Mar-a-Lago pic.twitter.com/ouvDXZBoVi— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) August 9, 2022


Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 48,299
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #629 on: August 09, 2022, 08:27:57 pm »
Exclusive — Sen. John Cornyn on Reported Reason for Trump Raid: ‘Thin Gruel’

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) thinks that the reported reason for the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s personal residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is “thin gruel.”

Matthew Boyle9 Aug 2022Washington, DC0

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) thinks that the reported reason for the FBI raid of former President Donald Trump’s personal residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is “thin gruel,” his spokesman told Breitbart News, adding that he backs other Republican calls for an immediate investigation into Attorney General Merrick Garland on the matter.

The publicly reported reason for the raid, which Cornyn believes is “thin gruel,” is Trump duking it out with the National Archives over presidential records he supposedly took to Mar-a-Lago upon leaving the White House. The fact that the FBI raided his personal residence and broke into his safe—which was, according to his son Eric Trump, empty when agents opened it—is a significant escalation for a process fight over document sharing and preservation.

Cornyn’s spokesman, Drew Brandewie, told Breitbart News that the Texas Republican backs House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy’s announcement that Garland is under investigation for the matter.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/09/exclusive-sen-john-cornyn-on-reported-reason-for-trump-raid-thin-gruel/

Talk about thin gruel.  How about impeaching Garland?

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 62,268
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #630 on: August 09, 2022, 08:33:06 pm »
Technically, the states, or representatives of the states? Republican legislators are not the state. The legislature moving en-toto is the state.

States.  Not all were California-types.  All were denied Standing and it was frustrating as Hell.  Just like when they denied Standing to TX in December, 2020.

The SCOTUS cannot be trusted when it comes to election law.  Especially with Democrat John Roberts at the helm.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #631 on: August 09, 2022, 08:38:12 pm »
August 9, 2022 7:33pm EDT
FBI would not let Trump attorneys in rooms as agents raided Mar-a-Lago, warrant focused on NARA: source
'There is no need for any of this,' a source told Fox News.

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

FBI agents would not allow Trump lawyers watch as they raided former President Trump’s private home at Mar-a-Lago early Monday morning, a source told Fox News.

Trump was in New York City while his home in Palm Beach, Florida, was raided.

A source familiar with the raid told Fox News the warrant for the raid was related to the National Archives and Records Administration effort to collect records and materials the former president took with him from Washington, D.C., to Mar-a-Lago.

"This was a NARA issue," the source close to the former president told Fox News, adding Trump has been "cooperating."

"There is no need for any of this," the source said, adding the FBI "wouldn’t let the attorneys come in to watch the raid. They told them to leave."

The source told Fox News that when NARA visited Mar-a-Lago in February, Trump and his team "gave them what they wanted."

"It was all provided to them," the source said. "This is absurd."

Another source told Fox News negotiations and communications "never broke down."

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #632 on: August 09, 2022, 08:43:29 pm »
States.  Not all were California-types.  All were denied Standing and it was frustrating as Hell.  Just like when they denied Standing to TX in December, 2020.

The SCOTUS cannot be trusted when it comes to election law.  Especially with Democrat John Roberts at the helm.

 :amen:
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,405
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #633 on: August 09, 2022, 08:46:02 pm »
It is unclear when negotiations exactly deteriorated.

Negotiations deteriorated the moment it became clear that DOJ investigators leaked their findings to the Jan 6 Committee.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #634 on: August 09, 2022, 08:46:08 pm »
August 9, 2022 7:33pm EDT
FBI would not let Trump attorneys in rooms as agents raided Mar-a-Lago, warrant focused on NARA: source
'There is no need for any of this,' a source told Fox News.

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

FBI agents would not allow Trump lawyers watch as they raided former President Trump’s private home at Mar-a-Lago early Monday morning, a source told Fox News.

Trump was in New York City while his home in Palm Beach, Florida, was raided.

A source familiar with the raid told Fox News the warrant for the raid was related to the National Archives and Records Administration effort to collect records and materials the former president took with him from Washington, D.C., to Mar-a-Lago.

"This was a NARA issue," the source close to the former president told Fox News, adding Trump has been "cooperating."

"There is no need for any of this," the source said, adding the FBI "wouldn’t let the attorneys come in to watch the raid. They told them to leave."

The source told Fox News that when NARA visited Mar-a-Lago in February, Trump and his team "gave them what they wanted."

"It was all provided to them," the source said. "This is absurd."

Another source told Fox News negotiations and communications "never broke down."

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-would-not-let-trump-attorneys-agents-raided-mar-a-lago-warrant-nara

In short, they violated president Trump's civil rights!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #635 on: August 09, 2022, 08:48:58 pm »
Trump Attorney on Mar-a-Lago Raid: DOJ, FBI Use ‘Guise’ of ‘National Security’ to ‘Hide Things from the Public’

Christina Bobb, one of former President Donald Trump’s attorneys, said on Tuesday that the U.S. Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) are using the “guise” of “national security” to evade public transparency regarding its execution of a raid on the 45th president’s private residence at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/09/trump-attorney-mar-a-lago-raid-doj-fbi-using-guise-national-security-hide-things/
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,405
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #636 on: August 09, 2022, 08:54:55 pm »
Yes, if a court actually gives Trump Standing.

The decision to put Trump's name on the ballot resides with each State.  The Courts have already established a precedent on that.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,405
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #637 on: August 09, 2022, 08:58:02 pm »
I would hope so, but that hope is under serious strain with previous SCOTUS rulings.  They would not give standing to actual Electoral College Electors when the question of O'Bastard's eligibility came up after 2008.  Folks who were the very people casting the votes to elect a President were deemed as not needing to know if the Nominee for whom they were voting was eligible under the Constitution's requirement for a Natural Born Citizen.

Another way of reading that is that the selection of electors resides with the State and not with some judge saying that Trump can't have electors because of some National Archives statute.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #638 on: August 09, 2022, 08:59:05 pm »
Fox News host Greg Gutfeld advised those who feel anger toward the FBI's raid on former President Trump's residence to look at this "soberly" because the press wants you to react angrily as a form of a "setup."

GREG GUTFELD: Well, I get it. I mean, ratings. I mean, if we went on The Five and said, we don't know, this show would be dead. So we are in the world of speculation, so are they. However, their speculation, always wrong. Walls are closing in. Tick, tick, tick. Boom. This is it. It's worse than Watergate. And then it goes away. But they're reelecting him, by the way, just by the way they're talking. But the one thing – some advice to the people at home is you could be really pissed off at this, but you have to have fun with it, too, because the press wants you to react angrily, because that's the second bite to this apple. They're already doing pieces about pro-Trump message boards, you know, enraged. Surely there's going to be another January 6th. There's going to be, you know, you know, gangs of people in red hats causing problems. So you want to take that away from them. You want to look at this, you know, soberly and have fun with it. They want an excuse to track down more Republicans and people in red hats, and you don't want to give it to them. So I think that's a setup.
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,133
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #639 on: August 09, 2022, 09:12:43 pm »
Technically, the states, or representatives of the states? Republican legislators are not the state. The legislature moving en-toto is the state.
Where do you get that idea that a state is only comprised of its legislature?  Is that somewhere within the US constitution or any state constitution? 

States have representation in many different areas from legislative, judicial, administrative and most certainly by their Attorney Generals when it comes to raising judicial issues on behalf of a state to the federal government.

Texas, as supported by 20 other states absolutely had standing in Texas vs Pennsylvania.  Are you saying that it did not because only the legislature can represent the state?  If so, that is false.
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

Offline DCPatriot

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47,439
  • Gender: Male
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #640 on: August 09, 2022, 09:23:12 pm »
Hannity just had a lengthy segment with Marco Rubio.

I wanted to puke!  Pontificating POS who backstabbed Pres. Trump on multiple occasions
...even as he welcomed the POTUS and First Lady on the Capitol  Terrace acting like some bleeping tour guide.
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

"It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living" F. Scott Fitzgerald

Offline mountaineer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 62,207
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #641 on: August 09, 2022, 09:28:37 pm »
They rummaged through Melania's clothing. Weirdos.
“All Democrats are not horse thieves, but all horse thieves are Democrats.”—Horace Greeley, 1872

Offline libertybele

  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 65,103
  • Gender: Female
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #642 on: August 09, 2022, 09:35:10 pm »
Fox News host Greg Gutfeld advised those who feel anger toward the FBI's raid on former President Trump's residence to look at this "soberly" because the press wants you to react angrily as a form of a "setup."

GREG GUTFELD: Well, I get it. I mean, ratings. I mean, if we went on The Five and said, we don't know, this show would be dead. So we are in the world of speculation, so are they. However, their speculation, always wrong. Walls are closing in. Tick, tick, tick. Boom. This is it. It's worse than Watergate. And then it goes away. But they're reelecting him, by the way, just by the way they're talking. But the one thing – some advice to the people at home is you could be really pissed off at this, but you have to have fun with it, too, because the press wants you to react angrily, because that's the second bite to this apple. They're already doing pieces about pro-Trump message boards, you know, enraged. Surely there's going to be another January 6th. There's going to be, you know, you know, gangs of people in red hats causing problems. So you want to take that away from them. You want to look at this, you know, soberly and have fun with it. They want an excuse to track down more Republicans and people in red hats, and you don't want to give it to them. So I think that's a setup.

....hmmm..... Well, personally, I am not angry but very alarmed by what has happened.  Raiding a past president's home has never happened, and I can't forget the bogus accusations of Russian collusion, 1st impeachment, 2nd impeachment and a stolen election. 

On top of all of that, we are experiencing the destruction that Joe has caused to our country; energy dependence, the crisis at our border, inflation, empty shelves, and now this. What is the World thinking as they watch things unfold? I feel our enemies are chomping at the bit and I believe that a takeover of our country is imminent.

I've pretty much lived my life, but I am extremely concerned for my children, grandchildren and great-grand child.

I am devastated. Along with other Briefers I am absolutely sickened by what has happened to our Republic.

Offline Fishrrman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,550
  • Gender: Male
  • Dumbest member of the forum
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #643 on: August 09, 2022, 09:37:25 pm »
Mr. Trump needs to quit soft-stepping around as to whether he is or is not going to be running in 2024.

Declare his candidacy now. This will make further attempts to harass and discredit him appear for what they are -- political prosecution, and nothing more.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 403,227
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #644 on: August 09, 2022, 09:43:57 pm »
Mr. Trump needs to quit soft-stepping around as to whether he is or is not going to be running in 2024.

Declare his candidacy now. This will make further attempts to harass and discredit him appear for what they are -- political prosecution, and nothing more.

I agree...just say it already Trump....and assume battle stations....just do it!
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 33,405
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #645 on: August 09, 2022, 09:48:34 pm »
They rummaged through Melania's clothing. Weirdos.

Biden demanded a sniff report.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Offline mountaineer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 62,207
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #646 on: August 09, 2022, 09:51:22 pm »
Biden demanded a sniff report.
He's upset he couldn't participate, at least when it came to her underwear drawer.
“All Democrats are not horse thieves, but all horse thieves are Democrats.”—Horace Greeley, 1872

Offline Free Vulcan

  • Technical
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,798
  • Gender: Male
  • Ah, the air is so much fresher here...
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #647 on: August 09, 2022, 09:58:31 pm »
Biden demanded a sniff report.

C'mon guys, Melania is way, WAY too old for Old Sniffy.  :smokin:
The Republic is lost.

Offline roamer_1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,788
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #648 on: August 09, 2022, 10:42:46 pm »
Where do you get that idea that a state is only comprised of its legislature?  Is that somewhere within the US constitution or any state constitution?
 

That was merely an example.

Quote
Texas, as supported by 20 other states absolutely had standing in Texas vs Pennsylvania.  Are you saying that it did not because only the legislature can represent the state?  If so, that is false.

No, they most certainly did not.

For the very same reason that California or New York have no business in how Montana runs itself or how it decides to define votes. And thank God for that!

Offline Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 34,556
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
Re: BREAKING>>FBI raids Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
« Reply #649 on: August 09, 2022, 11:26:07 pm »
 

That was merely an example.

No, they most certainly did not.

For the very same reason that California or New York have no business in how Montana runs itself or how it decides to define votes. And thank God for that!

I'm sorry my friend but you are just flat out wrong on this one! @roamer_1
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien