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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #200 on: April 29, 2021, 11:37:09 am »
Sad, even pitiable that the automatic, thoughtless attacks on the source or messenger, which ignore the content of the message are becoming so common.
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« Reply #201 on: April 29, 2021, 12:41:31 pm »
Sad, even pitiable that the automatic, thoughtless attacks on the source or messenger, which ignore the content of the message are becoming so common.

A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.
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« Reply #202 on: April 29, 2021, 12:47:00 pm »
A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.

I typically consider our side (conservatives) with a 10-20 IQ point advantage over our enemies.  So I am somewhat perplexed with some of this  anti-vaxxer sentiment.
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« Reply #203 on: April 29, 2021, 01:14:58 pm »
A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.

Exactly. You can call RFK Jr., etc., ham sandwiches for all I care, but I'm not going invest time into reading the blah-blah of a serial liar.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #204 on: April 29, 2021, 01:52:35 pm »
Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?

I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
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« Reply #205 on: April 29, 2021, 02:15:04 pm »
Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?

I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a knee-jerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.

It is foolish to always and only have two choices - anti & pro anything.  It is much simpler, granted, but not the way to study or learn.

Like mountaineer "I'm not against vaccines, personally;" neither am I automatically for vaccines. 

But I have seen & known enough examples of blind or careless acceptance of authorities.  Authorities become such because too many folks do not question our own assumptions and are either  999yawn or  :yowsa: regarding experts.
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« Reply #206 on: April 29, 2021, 03:23:46 pm »
Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?

I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.

She has spent decades being one of the most vocal anti-vaxers.  This one isn't new.
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« Reply #207 on: April 29, 2021, 03:25:20 pm »
She has spent decades being one of the most vocal anti-vaxers.  This one isn't new.
That may be, but where's your evidence she's wrong, let alone a liar?
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« Reply #208 on: April 29, 2021, 05:52:33 pm »
I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.

Agree 100%.
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« Reply #209 on: April 29, 2021, 05:59:46 pm »
Like mountaineer "I'm not against vaccines, personally;" neither am I automatically for vaccines. 

Personally, I am against vaccines for me.  I don't give a damn what anyone else does.  If you want a vaccine, have at it.  Just don't expect me to get one too.

Likewise, I am against anything the government pushes.  But that doesn't mean I would try to prevent anyone else from collecting food stamps.

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« Reply #210 on: April 29, 2021, 06:11:15 pm »
Personally, I am against vaccines for me.  I don't give a damn what anyone else does.  If you want a vaccine, have at it.  Just don't expect me to get one too.

Likewise, I am against anything the government pushes.  But that doesn't mean I would try to prevent anyone else from collecting food stamps.
Likewise. Whenever there's a vaccine that I believe might be a good and necessary thing for me, I'll 1) give it a good cost/benefit analysis, and 2) maybe get it. None of the covid vaccines has passed the test. I'm still considering the shingles shot.
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« Reply #211 on: April 29, 2021, 06:16:28 pm »
Going to add the Ike quote in Hoodat's sig to the In Praise of Virtue thread.  :patriot:
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« Reply #212 on: April 29, 2021, 06:41:51 pm »
I'm not against vaccines in general.

In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.

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« Reply #214 on: April 29, 2021, 07:17:23 pm »
I'm not anti-vaxx.  I've had my rabies vax and booster before. "All" of them (mostly), in fact,  from childhood on. Except for the flu shot. There are some I deem worthless and haven't gotten. The Shingles vax may be of interest to me.

I have long term problems with blood clots in my legs and take daily rat poison for it/them. Part of it is the science. And part of it belief(s).

Not taking this one.
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« Reply #215 on: April 29, 2021, 07:42:06 pm »
I'm not against vaccines in general.

In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.

I agree with you.  I am a cardiac patient and have several other health issues,  but this vaccine was rushed through, people have had adverse reactions and have died.  More and more I hear of people who do well with the first dose and the 2nd dose kicks their butts....so I'm not so convinced that for someone who is already health compromised that the vaccine is going to be more helpful than harmful. 

It obviously is a very individual decision and no one should be chastised for making the decision that they feel is right for them.

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« Reply #216 on: April 30, 2021, 12:03:24 am »
I'm not against vaccines in general.

In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.
that pretty much sums up what I think as well. As for Doctor Tenpenny, I am a scientist, and all viewpoints should at least be considered. I am willing to listen to reasonable arguments for or against something, and she has her stated reasons for opposing mass vaccinations.

The more superficial your knowledge of the subject (any subject) the easier it is to dismiss opposing viewpoints, so it takes some digging to get to the meat of the matter, whatever it is. It is easy to get caught up in the slogans and hype for either viewpoint or none at all, but for me, the picture I have is that people went to great lengths, even crafting 'studies' which were deeply flawed from the onset, to discredit an early onset regimen that has appeared (where the data are even let out (not censored)) to be effective in the vast majority of cases. Anything which supported the use of the complete regimen at the appropriate time in the course of the disease was summarily discredited by investigations which used parts (only) of that regimen, at the wrong time in the course of the disease, and then claimed the regimen to be ineffective.

That's about like saying a bucket of sand or water can't be used to put out a fire, because you waited until the whole barn was fully involved instead of snuffing the flames while they were small.

All of this, apparently, was conducted by people who were supporting a vaccine (or other, expensive, treatment alternatives) and doing so to maintain the economic malaise the panic over the disease enabled them to generate (itself a result of media manipulation and mismanagement of resources and patients on a local scale) in lieu of a vaccine, which has been sold as the panacea from the beginning.

The political and economic interweavings are gobsmacking. The science has been polluted by both, and if you dig, the flaws in the studies damning hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and even chloroquine ate glaring, because one, or sometimes two parts, of a three part regimen were used, and the most essential one left out, or dosages were insanely high (in the case of Chloroquine in the Brazilian study).

It isn't just the scientist in me that questions the motivation that would lead authority figures in politics and the medical field to blatantly compromise their integrity (what they had, anyway), resulting in the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands through bad policy, both politically, and through bad science.

Be that motivation political or pecuniary, this whole sh*tshow has been a crime against humanity as experts in their fields have misled the public and abused their positions of power. That does not include the very real motivations in place from early on to tweak the statistics for direct financial and indirect political gain, likely leading to inflated death tolls, nor the questionable accuracy of testing which further fostered the panic and all that ensued from that.

So, I'm not in any hurry to buy what they are selling, and the sales pitch is almost pushy enough for the telemarketers to chime in (surprised they've missed it, actually).
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« Reply #218 on: April 30, 2021, 11:14:41 am »
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I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.

Maybe this was not in reference to me, but my responses to people are based on facts and, sometimes, my experience. I'll gladly admit mocking CTs such as the vaccine-microchip CT and the mRNA-reprograms-your-DNA CT, because those CTs are STOOOOOpid. Outside sources parroting those CTs get my well-earned scorn and mockery.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #219 on: April 30, 2021, 11:21:49 am »

https://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/326182206_Has-COVID19-Been-Isolated-with-Dr.-Andrew-Kaufman-and-Dr.-Thomas-Cowan--Jour...-963108570762892-(1):1


https://odysee.com/@AlfAnonymous:3/DrAndrewKaufman-ExosomasOVirus:3

The SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated multiple times in multiple countries. "Dr." Thomas Cowan's medical license was suspended by the State of California in 2017, a suspension that was supposed to expire in 2022. He renounced his medical license in 2020. As a duck often says ......
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #220 on: April 30, 2021, 12:52:20 pm »
From a friend. Based on Kaufman above.
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From just a logical point of view alone, you can see that saying a disease has been positively identified and yet, can be asymptomatic, is ridiculous unless it's part of a hoax, which in that case, an asymptomatic disease becomes a very useful tool.

Think about it. We're told that COVID19 can have the symptoms of a hundred other diseases, everything from tuberculosis, to lung cancer to the common cold and even allergies.....It can have everything from multiple symptoms of things like gun shot wounds, falling in the bathtub injuries, to no symptoms at all....Everything from a goat to a papaya has tested positive on the accepted test for COVID19, which is the RT-PCR test.

So....with these facts in mind, on this basis alone, you can deduce that it is a hoax logically....If EVERYTHING can be mis-labled as COVID now....then does the disease COVID actually exist? If you can't isolate the symptoms, let alone the thing that is causing the symptoms, how can you create a cure for it? It's like attempting to cure the "effect" without knowing the cause...or in this case, misidentifying the cause in a thousand different ways.

And  so we come to the idea of a vaccine itself which has questionable logic, because the idea is ostensibly to inoculate a person from the effects of a disease before they get it and before the CAUSE of the disease is known...So right there, you run into a logical error, because you're attempting to now treat for the future effects of an unknown or misidentified cause....Would anyone argue that it's appropriate to treat for the symptoms of a common cold with a vaccine for a virus that has never been identified and isolated/purified out of a solution of genetic fluid?

And yet, that's what you're doing here. People don't seem to have the logical reasoning power to grasp the error in this thought process.

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« Reply #221 on: April 30, 2021, 07:39:20 pm »
Take note, the Dr. who designed the HCQ and Zinc treatment has won the Nobel prize for his work on it.

https://conservativeplaybook.com/2021/04/30/hcq-proponent-dr-vladimir-zelenko-to-receive-nobel-prize/

That's a stick in the eye to the powers that be.

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« Reply #222 on: April 30, 2021, 08:01:30 pm »
I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.

What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.
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« Reply #223 on: April 30, 2021, 08:11:38 pm »
I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.

What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.
   

Nor do I.   I think we'll start to see the long term effects on people and we won't need a study.  It'll be obvious.


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« Reply #224 on: May 01, 2021, 01:49:56 am »
   

Nor do I.   I think we'll start to see the long term effects on people and we won't need a study.  It'll be obvious.
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« Reply #225 on: May 01, 2021, 05:46:38 am »
It seems most everyone has chosen their poison: 

Say "no" to a vaccine and risk contracting a serious case of Covid-19 and not coming off a ventilator in ICU.

Say "yes" to a vaccine, and wait for unknown life altering side effects to kick in.

Now live with it and stop pushing strangers to tell you how smart you are.

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« Reply #226 on: May 01, 2021, 09:49:57 am »
I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.

What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.

The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....
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« Reply #227 on: May 01, 2021, 09:54:05 am »
Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.
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« Reply #228 on: May 01, 2021, 10:01:57 am »
Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.

Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots.  Death is not the only bad outcome.  And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.
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« Reply #229 on: May 01, 2021, 10:10:32 am »
Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots.  Death is not the only bad outcome.  And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.

And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.
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« Reply #230 on: May 01, 2021, 10:44:48 am »
Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them.  You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.

And there is the penultimate truth... everything  stacked  above that line has to be bullcrap.

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« Reply #231 on: May 01, 2021, 11:36:27 am »
And there is the penultimate truth... everything  stacked  above that line has to be bullcrap.

Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk.  Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.
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« Reply #232 on: May 01, 2021, 12:01:58 pm »
The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....
Which is why early treatment was and remains important, but those protocols were attacked the moment Trump mentioned Hydroxychloroquine.
An ionophore, zinc, and an antibiotic were included in the regimen with the result that the virus could not replicate to develop severe symptoms and physical damage to the lungs or elsewhere.
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« Reply #233 on: May 01, 2021, 02:01:24 pm »
Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.

Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk.  Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.

Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.

Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.

It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data. 

Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.

It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.

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« Reply #234 on: May 01, 2021, 02:37:24 pm »
Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.

Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.

It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data. 

Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.

It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.

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Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year.  But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems. 

They told her a ventilator might be too much for her.  ...so she decline getting one.    Died 24 hours later.

I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate  LOL! 

May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.
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« Reply #235 on: May 01, 2021, 03:28:28 pm »
And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.

Pulmonary Tuberculosis?
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« Reply #236 on: May 01, 2021, 03:32:04 pm »
Pulmonary Tuberculosis?

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« Reply #237 on: May 01, 2021, 03:44:35 pm »
Got the J+J one-shot today. So far some muscle soreness at the injection site, but otherwise I feel fine.

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« Reply #238 on: May 01, 2021, 03:47:53 pm »
And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.

I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.
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« Reply #239 on: May 01, 2021, 03:57:29 pm »
I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.

The bypassing of long term safety studies was all on government.

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« Reply #240 on: May 01, 2021, 04:12:53 pm »
The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  But the initial results are not looking good.

Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581

Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/

....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....

My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.


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« Reply #241 on: May 01, 2021, 04:20:31 pm »
My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.

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« Reply #242 on: May 01, 2021, 04:24:48 pm »
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« Reply #243 on: May 01, 2021, 04:53:41 pm »
My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.

I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we?   We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another.  No thanks.  Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.

The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today.  So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.
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« Reply #244 on: May 01, 2021, 05:02:49 pm »
The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today.  So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.

I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?

At any rate, yet another reason not to get the vaccine.

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« Reply #245 on: May 01, 2021, 06:09:01 pm »
I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?

By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact.  J&J is not one of those.
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« Reply #246 on: May 01, 2021, 06:13:34 pm »
By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact.  J&J is not one of those.

Unfortunately though, the J&J vaccine has reportedly the most problems.

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« Reply #247 on: May 01, 2021, 06:25:02 pm »
I don't trust government for crap.  But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community.  The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.


So if you asked me which I trust more, Big Parma or Big Government, I would be unable to adequately answer. Except perhaps, to spit on the ground.

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« Reply #248 on: May 01, 2021, 06:32:02 pm »
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QFT!!   :beer:

Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year.  But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems. 

They told her a ventilator might be too much for her.  ...so she decline getting one.    Died 24 hours later.

I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate  LOL! 

May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.

I am sorry for your grief. Even if she was kickin it before the fact, or in some risk, I can see where folks would call it the way they do. My own sis is to young for it to be in her way, except that she is heavily compromised in her lungs... Of us all, I worry most for her.

But she won't be taking vax either. And if it is her death, I doubt it would change my mind on the bigger picture.

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« Reply #249 on: May 01, 2021, 07:42:21 pm »
The mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

The Viral Vector vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

The Novavx's protein sub-unit vaccine causes recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.

Neither AstraZeneca's nor Novavax's vaccines are approved for use in the US, nor have either company applied for Emergency Use Authorization.

Why do all target the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein? because it is fairly stable, and with the spike made useless by the antibodies, the SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot enter into cells and thus cannot reproduce. The virus dies without reproducing.

The two inactivated virus vaccines in use in other countries that I'm aware of are produced by Sinovac and Sinopharm, Chinese countries. Chile has been one of Sinovac's (IIRC, maybe both) major customers, and experienced a major surge in cases in March and April, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/ . The surge appears to have peaked. Those two vaccines appear to not work well against what is currently in circulation. Maybe they are too specific to the virus strain on which the vaccines are based. Or maybe the quality control is lacking. That issue aside, that type of vaccine would produce antibodies that attack the whole virus.

But whether the antibodies produced kill the virus directly or the virus dies unable to reproduce, it died and didn't reproduce.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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