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How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« on: March 11, 2021, 09:23:47 am »
March 11, 2021
How safe are the COVID vaccines?
By Randall Hoven

I’ll bet you haven’t heard this: more congenital anomalies/birth defects and emergency room visits were reported after getting a COVID vaccine in the U.S. than after any of the other 93 vaccine types in the CDC’s VAERS database. And more deaths than 92 other vaccine types.

Here is how COVID vaccines rank among 94 vaccine types in terms of reported post-vaccine adverse effects.

    Congenital anomaly/birth defect: 1.
    Emergency room: 1.
    Death: 2.
    Life threatening: 5.
    “Serious” adverse effects: 7.
    Hospitalized: 10.
    Permanent disability: 12.
    Total adverse effects: 15.

Here, for example, is the screen shot of the CDC’s sorted list for the adverse effect of congenital anomaly/birth defect.



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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2021, 11:11:22 am »
Italy, Norway and Denmark stop giving out AstraZeneca jabs over blood clot fears despite EU and UK regulators saying there is NO link
    A woman in Austria died from a blood clot shortly after an AstraZeneca jab
    Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg have halted use of the batch
    Denmark, Norway and Iceland went further, suspending all AstraZeneca doses
    Italy paused the rollout of a different batch of the vaccines over blood clot fears
    EU's medical regulator said there is no clear link between clots and the jabs 

By Ross Ibbetson and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline
Published: 05:20 EST, 11 March 2021 | Updated: 11:01 EST, 11 March 2021

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2021, 11:42:52 am »
The question shouldn't be 'How safe', but rather 'How necessary'.  There is no reason whatsoever that someone who has survived  Covid should be getting a vaccine.  Yet the CDC keeps pushing it.

Maybe if the CDC would stop lying to the American people, maybe then would more people be willing to take it.  But the fact that they continue to lie screams to me that nothing they say is to be trusted.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2021, 11:56:13 am »
The question shouldn't be 'How safe', but rather 'How necessary'.  There is no reason whatsoever that someone who has survived  Covid should be getting a vaccine.  Yet the CDC keeps pushing it.

Maybe if the CDC would stop lying to the American people, maybe then would more people be willing to take it.  But the fact that they continue to lie screams to me that nothing they say is to be trusted.
A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.

What's the actual point of this?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2021, 12:01:00 pm »
For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine.

They were lied to.  NIH has already released data demonstrating the long-lasting effectiveness of the body's ability to fight off the disease after recovery.


What's the actual point of this?

That is the question I want answered.  Truthfully answered.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2021, 01:01:44 pm »
So out of ~95 million vaccine does given, 37 cases of bad reaction?  Am I reading that correctly?

That would be 0.00004% reaction rate.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2021, 01:16:21 pm »
A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.

What's the actual point of this?
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I talked to a guy last week that had had COVID in November.  They suggested he get the shot recently.  He said he got really ill almost flu like after the shot.  Apparently people that have had COVID end up having a really bad reaction to the vaccine.

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2021, 02:20:15 pm »
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I talked to a guy last week that had had COVID in November.  They suggested he get the shot recently.  He said he got really ill almost flu like after the shot.  Apparently people that have had COVID end up having a really bad reaction to the vaccine.

My GP advised that I not get vaccinated for three months, as a strong reaction would be likely. She did not, however, advise that I do get vaccinated. My thinking at present is to be tested for antibodies come that time. If I have them in significant degree vaccination would be pointless.

I've also heard that people who received Lilly's or Regeneron's mab treatments should not be vaccinated for a while.

At present, we "know":

* Antibodies persist in people who have recovered for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;

* Antibodies persist in people who have been vaccinated for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;

* Antibodies persist in people who have received a mab treatment for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;

* There is much we don't know, due to how long SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US (14-16 months) and because immunity processes are being examined in greater depth than in the past.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2021, 08:29:02 pm »
A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.

What's the actual point of this?

Valid question.

What stats aren't being reported?  How many people are actually dying from the vaccines??  I'd say there are many more dying and many more are having severe adverse side effects then is being reported or acknowledged to the public.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447

https://www.kmvt.com/2021/03/11/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered/

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2021, 08:46:19 pm »
Congenital anomalies? The vaccines have not been available to child bearing age women nearly long enough for "congenital anomalies" to appear in any substantial number. This sounds like anti-vaxxer crackpottery.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2021, 07:40:06 am »
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For some people, the second dose in a COVID-19 vaccination series is causing a stronger reaction and more side effects than the initial dose. That was also true during the clinical trials.

This may be a concern not only for those experiencing side effects, but also those who are worried a COVID-19 vaccine isn't working because they didn't have a reaction.

Dr. Gregory Poland, an infectious diseases expert and head of Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group, says everybody is different. He says the first dose teaches your body to recognize the virus and the second vaccine is kicking the body's system into gear.

"It's as if you've started a cold car, with the first dose," says Dr. Poland. "The car is idling. Then you give it that second dose, and because the car has warmed up, you can put the pedal to the metal and go." But everybody is going to respond differently.

    "Each of our bodies releases different amounts of chemicals, or immune signals. One body might release more than what's needed, causing more of a response, and someone else's body might release exactly the right amount. It's what we've called the 'Goldilocks phenomenon.' Not too much, not too little, but just right." ...
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2021, 01:18:57 pm »
I noticed this morning in church that the husband of the couple I referenced above - both of whom had Covid, recovered, were vaccinated and experienced side effects (hers much worse than his) - still wears a mask.  :thud:
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2021, 12:56:21 am »
The doctor on the following video thinks they will prove extremely deadly.

Listen to this doc and you decide.

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The doctor on the following video thinks they will prove extremely deadly.

Listen to this doc and you decide.

https://www.brighteon.com/43a197d1-6f88-49f3-8eca-6765c7b39145
Interesting. I have already decided I will not get the shot. That information only tends to reinforce that decision. To each their own, but I see little to gain in risking potentially serious complications over a shot for a disease that has a 99.9% survival rate. Yes, you might well get sick, but there are (although those pushing the shot and that concept from day one would disagree) treatments which I know have worked, and I will rely on those instead should the need arise.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2021, 09:25:00 am »
I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday.  No reaction at all.  Not even soreness in the arm.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2021, 09:30:15 am »
I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday.  No reaction at all.  Not even soreness in the arm.
It's the second shot that can cause unpleasant side effects, I've heard from people who got it.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2021, 09:57:03 am »
It's the second shot that can cause unpleasant side effects, I've heard from people who got it.

Both my parents and my oldest daughter have had both.  My daughter was the only one that had mild discomfort with the second shot.

Growing up, she was the one that would cry if she did not get a band aid for the slightest scratch.
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2021, 10:05:02 am »
Then I hope you're more fortunate than my friend who had to spend the following day in bed with chills and nausea, or the friend of a friend who reported waking up freezing, her legs were heavy and hurting, "felt like I was going to get sick," with headache, sweating and racing heartbeat. She said she felt better after about nine hours, though, so I'm sure it's all good.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2021, 10:25:13 am »
I've been paying attention to those I know who have been getting the vaccine (again, I have the benefit of being about as low-risk as it gets and in the back of the line). So far I've seen no major red flags that would make me say "no way." Those who got the Moderna shot seem to be having the strongest side effects; J&J recipients have generally had virtually none.

I would be wary if the AstraZeneca vaccine were my only choice, given the poor results Europe is having with that one.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2021, 10:45:10 am »
Then I hope you're more fortunate than my friend who had to spend the following day in bed with chills and nausea, or the friend of a friend who reported waking up freezing, her legs were heavy and hurting, "felt like I was going to get sick," with headache, sweating and racing heartbeat. She said she felt better after about nine hours, though, so I'm sure it's all good.

I will say that I had flu like symptoms for three days after my 2nd Moderna shot...they started within a few hours of being vaccinated...but I may be the exception as I have trouble with medications to begin with.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2021, 09:37:00 pm »
I will say that I had flu like symptoms for three days after my 2nd Moderna shot...they started within a few hours of being vaccinated...but I may be the exception as I have trouble with medications to begin with.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2021, 10:15:25 pm »
Both Modera jabs gave me a sore arm for a couple of days,  but did not affect lifting / strength,  or anything like that.  I found it reassuring to have evidence that my immune system was kicking into gear.

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2021, 10:54:36 pm »
Valid question. What stats aren't being reported?  How many people are actually dying from the vaccines??  I'd say there are many more dying and many more are having severe adverse side effects then is being reported or acknowledged to the public. https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447  https://www.kmvt.com/2021/03/11/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered/
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I know what happened with AstraZeneca.  I know it due to son living in the UK and getting his first shot of AstraZeneca this past Monday.  He mentioned the blood clot factor so I found the data on that.  Everything in quotes below happened with THE SAME BATCH OF ASTRAZENECA.  That batch did not go to the UK or Wales so no one there has had a blood clot or clots from other batches of AstraZeneca. 

At the beginning of this virus, Oxford Un. in the UK, started work on a vaccine before any other medical group.  I noted that since it was Oxford; that England started work before we did.

Son said he felt tired, not much energy, a mild headache, the day after the shot and has been fine since then.  I'll get back to you when he has the second shot.

Here is the quote about countries stopping shots of AstraZeneca:
"A woman in Austria died from a blood clot shortly after an AstraZeneca jab.
Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg have halted use of the batch.
Denmark, Norway and Iceland went further, suspending all AstraZeneca doses.
Italy paused the rollout of a different batch of the vaccines over blood clot fears."
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UK's equivalent of the FDA concerning the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-regulator-confirms-that-people-should-continue-to-receive-the-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

EU's equivalent of the FDA concerning the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots

The Reader's Digest summary of the above is that there is no evidence tying the vaccine to the clots, and fewer of the vaccinated millions have experienced clots than happen randomly in the general population.

It may do so in the coming weeks, but at this point AZ has not applied to the FDA for EUA and their vaccine cannot legally be used in the US. AZ uses a different technology than do Pfizer and Moderna; J&J uses the same basic technology, though differing in detail.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2021, 02:05:23 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2021, 05:53:48 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.

That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China.  I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.

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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2021, 06:17:10 pm »
I have faith in my god given immune system.  It has protected me for 65 years.  Take your covid shot and shove it... I ain't taking it anymore or ever.

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2021, 06:26:38 pm »
That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China.  I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.

Reports are China is not allowing entrance unless the traveler has been vaccinated with the China vaccine.

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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2021, 07:08:51 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.

IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.

Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2021, 08:04:41 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2021, 03:40:19 pm »
IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.

Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.

Looks like AZ may apply for EUA in a few weeks, https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2021/astrazeneca-us-vaccine-trial-met-primary-endpoint.html#!

IIRC, the tests in which the dosing mix-up happened was in Brazil, not in all countries in which testing was done. If I understand the AZ article correctly, their EUA application would be based only on US test data. That doesn't preclude the apparent lack of efficacy against the "South Africa" variant being a consideration.

Rewinding to last summer, AZ looked to be the farthest ahead in the testing process, and that may be why OWS' initial purchase was 300M doses instead of the 100M dose purchases made with Pfizer, Moderna, et al. The dosing mix-up in Brazil's tests may have delayed AZ's application for EUA by 3 or 4 months.

IF AZ is approved, that would make 400M doses that came under contract during LIEden's MalAdministration without LIEden lifting a finger. Novavax and another 100M doses may be coming in a few weeks as well.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2021, 12:53:19 pm »
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Take your dose. 

Dumbasses.
I took the Pfizer vaccine with no side affects, other than the 6th finger now appearing on my left hand.  Oh wait....yeah I guess a 6th toe as well. :o)

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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2021, 12:57:04 pm »
I got my 1st dose of Pfizer on St. Patrick's day.
No side effects.
nd one is scheduled for April 7th.
Will advise.

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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2021, 01:59:01 pm »
How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.

https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2021, 03:02:35 pm »
How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.

https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120


Maybe they should not have used a Mexican Beer?

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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2021, 03:21:11 pm »
C'mon, man, it was Germany. I'm sure they used some actual good Reinheitsgebot bier.  :beer:

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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2021, 03:35:19 pm »
22222frying pan

Take your dose. 

Dumbasses.

Dayum... I forgot my Sarcasm tag on this one.

Sorry folks.  The great one is slipping in his old age.   :cool:

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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2021, 06:24:42 pm »
I got my first dose of Moderna yesterday and the only reaction I had was to the damn bandage they put on me. I had much more reaction to TDAP, Shingles and Hepatitis vaccines, which all caused swelling redness and pain, heck I had trouble lifting my arm it hurt so bad after the Shingles injection. I guess I'll see how it goes with the second injection, that's apparently the one people have the biggest reaction to.

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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2021, 07:30:41 pm »
No pain.  No ill effects.  My arm feels fine.  (But then I didn't get the vaccine).
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2021, 10:42:33 am »
Obituary: Kansas woman dies of allergic reaction after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine
EMS dispatch states the woman was having difficulty breathing and speaking when 911 was called
Updated: 12:39 PM EDT Mar 26, 2021
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EFFINGHAM, Kan. —  Family members say a Kansas woman died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine earlier this week.

In the obituary posted with Becker Dyer-Stanton Funeral Home, family members said 68-year-old Jeanie M. Evans, of Effingham, died unexpectedly on Wednesday at the Stormont-Vail Hospital after having a reaction to a COVID-19 vaccine.

Emergency dispatch records note a patient had an allergic reaction at a vaccine clinic site just after 4 p.m. on Tuesday.

Dispatch identified the patient as a 68-year-old female having difficulty breathing and speaking — adding that she had been injected with an EpiPen and that there were two nurses with her on the scene. ...
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2021, 09:50:17 am »

Tweets from Alex Berenson:
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1/ Okay, a bunch of countries have decided @AstraZeneca’s #Covid vaccine is double-plus ungood because of a tiny ittybitty lil risk it will cause horrible deaths in healthy young adults.
But no worries about the @JNJNews @pfizer @moderna_tx shots, right?
Well. Hmm.

2/ All these vaccines work the same way - by hijacking your cells and making them crank out massive numbers of #SARSCoV2 spike proteins, leading to an antibody response far more intense than most people have to the actual virus...

3/ However, they deliver the molecule that causes the hijacking differently. The JNJ and AstraZeneca vaccines both use a modified cold virus hitched to a piece of DNA (which converts to RNA in your cells); the Pfizer and Moderna shots use RNA itself, inside a tiny ball of fat...

4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t.  Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?

5/ Maybe. In that case this is a risk across the board. Or perhaps some spike proteins are being misproduced because of flaws in the RNA (the EMA talked about this risk with @Pfizer). Or maybe that’s not a problem either.
Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
What I am getting at here...

6/ Is when you travel at WARRRRP SPEEEED, you leave the known universe behind. The reason we know about this AZN problem is NOT from the clinical trials, it’s because several European countries noticed it.  But wouldn’t they have done the same with the others? Not necessarily...

7/ Remember, for a while people over 65 were not getting the AZN shot in most of Europe. And it is YOUNGER people who appear to be suffering these blood disorders. So maybe the AZN problems jumped out early because the shot was going mainly to them.

8/ But what about the US? Many millions of people under 55 have received the @pfizer and @moderna_tx vaccines. Wouldn’t we have seen a problem?  That’s just it. We HAVE. VAERS has many reports of blood disorders, and last month hematologists wrote a paper discussing the issue...


9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...

10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?

Maybe.

And maybe that’s good enough for you.
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2021, 11:03:05 am »
1. A bunch of countries researched the blood clots question, determined that fewer among the vaccinated experienced the clots than would happen in the general population, and resumed use of the AZ vaccine. The Berenson Tweet was posted well after the UK's and EU's equivalents of the FDA made this decision. That he omitted relevant facts, ummmm, does not reflect well on him.

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4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t.  Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?

Why did Berenson not inform readers about the fact that every vaccine has, besides its active ingredient, inert ingredients to dilute for usability and as preservative(s)? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

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9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...

Why did Berenson not inform readers that the VAERS database records all "adverse incidents", many of which, when investigated, are not due to the vaccinations? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

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10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?

Maybe.

And maybe that’s good enough for you.

Why did Berenson not inform readers that the UK and EU equivalents of the FDA determined that the blood clots were not associated with the AZ vaccine? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

Berenson's Tweet thread is Panic Porn FUD.
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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2021, 11:05:59 am »
Just putting it out there. I don't know anything about Berenson's motives.
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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2021, 11:07:19 am »
Still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus infecting a vaccinated person because they didn't wear a mask.
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« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2021, 12:01:53 pm »
I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday.  No reaction at all.  Not even soreness in the arm.
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Bob has had both pfizer shots.  After the second one, he felt a little unbalanced when he walked to the car, so he sat there until he "felt right".  That was it for the second one.

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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2021, 12:04:33 pm »
Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.
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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2021, 12:21:01 pm »
Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.

Virus Variant in Brazil Infected Many Who Had Already Recovered From Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/health/covid-19-coronavirus-brazil-variant.html


...The researchers tested these possibilities by tracking P.1 from its earliest samples in December. By early January, it made up 87 percent of samples. By February it had taken over completely.

Combining the data from genomes, antibodies and medical records in Manaus, the researchers concluded that P.1 conquered the city thanks not to luck but biology: Its mutations helped it spread. Like B.1.1.7, it can infect more people, on average, than other variants can. They estimate it is somewhere between 1.4 and 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

But it also gets an edge from mutations that let it escape antibodies from other coronaviruses. They estimate that in 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 lineages in Manaus last year, somewhere between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1 in Manaus.

The researchers found support for this conclusion in an experiment in which they mixed P.1 viruses with antibodies from Brazilians who had Covid-19 last year. They found that the effectiveness of their antibodies dropped sixfold against P.1 compared with other coronaviruses. That drop might mean that at least some people would be vulnerable to new infections from P.1.

Dr. Faria said “an increasing body of evidence” suggests that most cases in the second wave were the result of reinfections....
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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2021, 12:21:44 pm »
Chiming in ... I'd like to see a weasel-free explanation why a person who has recovered from Covid, :seeya: , should be vaccinated.

The gooberment's weaselly contradictory messaging about immunity - by vaccination or by recovery - is another self-inflicted blow to gooberment authority and credibility.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.