How safe are the COVID vaccines?

[catfish1957]

If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand.  It's flying off the shelves.  I had a friend give me some, just in case.

I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures.  Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause. 

But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again....  we evaluate our on risks.

[LegalAmerican]

Because YOU got sick, you expect all other people to get the vaccine?  99.7%. RECOVERY RATE.  I've had covid, TWICE.  MILD BOTH TIMES.  My immune system is just better than yours.  Get your vaccine.  ALL OF THEM.  BE HAPPY.  BTW I treated myself with silver, ZINC, green tea and homemade Elderberry tincture.  All I had, was low grade fever of about 99.5 degrees for 5 days.  The second time a month later, same LOW GRADE fever for 7 days!  No other symptoms. STOP BEING PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT MY POSTS AND INFORMATION.  Take what you want, leave the rest. I have no plan on taking any vaccine.  Good day.
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Quote from: PeteS in CA on Today at 10:25:11 AM


I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.

My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.

I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.

[LegalAmerican]

I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures.  Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause. 

But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again....  we evaluate our on risks.

Yes.   Without putting other posters down. 

[thackney]

I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment.  Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us.  Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.

Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin

FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).

Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.

If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.

Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

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I just find it amazing some people are afraid of the tested vaccines but are willing to take something else because they heard it from someone it might be helpful, maybe.

[libertybele]

I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures.  Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause. 

But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again....  we evaluate our on risks.

There are different dosages for Ivermectin use in humans and animals. Ivermectin has been around for a long time and has been used to treat different ailments.  Elderberry syrup is another tincture that has been used for quite a long time that some claim helps with COVID.  I can attest to using elderberry syrup; came down with flu like symptoms and used two doses of the syrup over a couple of days and symptoms cleared up.  Also drank ginger and peppermint tea along with it.

I am more trusting of herbs and treatments that have been around for awhile then vaccines that have been at best randomly tested and pushed through in warp speed time.

Are the vaccines truly working or are we entering phases and areas with herd immunity??

[libertybele]

Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin

FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).

Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.

If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.

Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

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I just find it amazing some people are afraid of the tested vaccines but are willing to take something else because they heard it from someone it might be helpful, maybe.

Different dosages are recommended of Ivermectin for humans then animals. I think it is prudent to keep on hand; just like
Ginger, and Elderberry Immune, etc. Ivermectin has been used in prohibiting the spread of malaria. 

As of March 2021, WHO advises that ivermectin only be used to treat COVID-19 within clinical trials.  Now gee, wouldn't it be something if this drug, which is relatively very cheap is found to be effective after all the billions of dollars spent on vaccine research?? Just sayin'.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

Ivermectin has been used over in Brazil, Australia and some places in Europe with some success.

Yes, the vaccines have been tested, but they have NOT gone through years of testing like most other vaccines.

[LegalAmerican]

What is that drug, they use in Africa over the counter for malaria?  Been used about 150 years?  Tip of the tongue. Can't think of it. hydro......

[thackney]

Different dosages are recommended of Ivermectin for humans then animals. I think it is prudent to keep on hand; just like
Ginger, and Elderberry Immune, etc. Ivermectin has been used in prohibiting the spread of malaria. 

As of March 2021, WHO advises that ivermectin only be used to treat COVID-19 within clinical trials.  Now gee, wouldn't it be something if this drug, which is relatively very cheap is found to be effective after all the billions of dollars spent on vaccine research?? Just sayin'.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

Ivermectin has been used over in Brazil, Australia and some places in Europe with some success.

Yes, the vaccines have been tested, but they have NOT gone through years of testing like most other vaccines.

I have ivermectin on hand.  I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.

How would you determine what dosage?  What happens if you take too much?

[Polly Ticks]

What is that drug, they use in Africa over the counter for malaria?  Been used about 150 years?  Tip of the tongue. Can't think of it. hydro......

Hydroxychloroquine

[thackney]

Hydroxychloroquine

It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria.  I took it for a year while overseas.

[Polly Ticks]

It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria.  I took it for a year while overseas.

Yep.  My son took it before he went on a missions trip overseas a couple of years ago. 

Edited to add -- I wonder if it has any long-lasting effects. Although my daughter-in-law contracted COVID (as a nurse working with the COVID patients), my son did not.

[libertybele]

I have ivermectin on hand.  I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.

How would you determine what dosage?  What happens if you take too much?

In the same respect, they are administering the same doses of the vaccines for someone weighing 135 lbs as they are for someone weighing 300 lbs ... so ...  I get your point, but, I don't believe they are adjusting COVID vaccine dosages.

[Smokin Joe]

I bet you're right, I didn't think about availability.  We have a couple of other feeds stores several miles away too., but I should venture out and get some.

Just look for the sign that says "Not for use in humans for COVID-19" or something to that effect.

I'm sure there will be one.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, just a guy who has done some research, and knows a couple people who have used it.

Dosage is weight based, (apple flavored for horses), and the syringe for the gel (to squirt it in the horse's mouth) is calibrated by weight for the horse. That means (unless you have a 600 lb life) you will have to make an estimate of how much to take based on a fraction of that calibration. So make sure if you do take it the dosage is appropriate for your weight or a little less.

The Ivermectin is an ionophore, so a little less isn't like teasing bacteria with an antibiotic and will still get the zinc into the places it needs to go (Type 1 pneumocytes), but more might not be good because of the antiparasitic effects.

As with hydroxychloroquine, smaller doses got zinc into the pneumocytes, too large of a dose invited side effects.

[LegalAmerican]

Hydroxychloroquine

Thank you!  lol. That is used for covid. And it works.  Safer than a lot of other medicines. IF,  IF....you get really sick with covid.  You have that option. Hydroxychloroquine and zinc and antibiotics. It has been used.  A doctor has to prescribe it.

[Smokin Joe]

I have ivermectin on hand.  I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.

How would you determine what dosage?  What happens if you take too much?

Is yours the gel? If so, some of those are calibrated by weight (for horses).

I'd do a search for Ivermectin toxicity, but the gel my friends took (1.87% paste), the dose was a little smaller than a garden pea. These guys were 220-240 lbs. They each took two doses, one a day, with 50 mg zinc supplements for two days, and took extra zinc each day in the evening, and continued with another zinc tablet for the following three days. They both felt like crap at the start and recovered within a week. One had tested positive, the other did not get tested but isolated (the symptoms were there) and did the regimen anyway, because it is supposed to confer limited duration resistance to the bug whether you actually had it or not. (In theory, the type 1 pneumocytes are 'charged up' with zinc ions and if the virus does get in, it can't replicate. )

[mystery-ak]

It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria.  I took it for a year while overseas.

My husband has taken it several times..when he was in Ghana, Panama and both tours in Iraq...the Army dispenses that like candy..lol

[libertybele]

I think Ivermectin may be a good thing to keep on hand. I'm not saying I'm going to run out and go all gung ho and ingest it.

I still wouldn't take the vaccine. I think it's too early and too little is known about long term adverse effects.

I think we're still looking at vaccine mandates and passports in the near future that I feel shouldn't be forced on us.

[thackney]

Is yours the gel? If so, some of those are calibrated by weight (for horses).

I'd do a search for Ivermectin toxicity, but the gel my friends took (1.87% paste), the dose was a little smaller than a garden pea. These guys were 220-240 lbs. They each took two doses, one a day, with 50 mg zinc supplements for two days, and took extra zinc each day in the evening, and continued with another zinc tablet for the following three days. They both felt like crap at the start and recovered within a week. One had tested positive, the other did not get tested but isolated (the symptoms were there) and did the regimen anyway, because it is supposed to confer limited duration resistance to the bug whether you actually had it or not. (In theory, the type 1 pneumocytes are 'charged up' with zinc ions and if the virus does get in, it can't replicate. )

Mine is calibrated by weight, but is intended to be poured on the skin and absorbed.  It also contains a dye so you can tell which one has been treated.

[PeteS in CA]

Hydroxychloroquine

It was first approved for use in the US in 1955, so it's probably only been around since the late 1940s or early 1950s. It seems to be an improved chloroquine, which was approved in 1947 (but discovered in Germany in the mid 1930s).

[Smokin Joe]

Mine is calibrated by weight, but is intended to be poured on the skin and absorbed.  It also contains a dye so you can tell which one has been treated.

I don't know anyone who has used that kind. The people I know used the apple flavored variety of this https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257 for horses.

It's available at the local feed stores and Tractor Supply.

Despite the warnings, humans have used it (carefully, with attention paid to dosage) with no apparent ill effects.  I must note that because some have done so, it does not mean that all can use it without any ill effect, that is an individual choice.

[thackney]

I don't know anyone who has used that kind.

For cattle, it is the common choice around here.  It dominates the shelf space at the feed store due to the volume.

I do use a ingested paste for the horses.  We make a point to use a different type each time to rotate the different brands and controls.

[mystery-ak]

My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning...

[libertybele]

My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning...

That's not good and he's young. Hopefully he won't have any adverse effects when he receives the 2nd shot.

Please keep us posted, I'd be interested to know if he continues to have side effects.

[libertybele]

I don't know anyone who has used that kind. The people I know used the apple flavored variety of this https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257 for horses.

It's available at the local feed stores and Tractor Supply.

Despite the warnings, humans have used it (carefully, with attention paid to dosage) with no apparent ill effects.  I must note that because some have done so, it does not mean that all can use it without any ill effect, that is an individual choice.

Though I believe it would be a good thing to have on hand, I absolutely would hesitate to ingest it. Heck,  I hesitate with the prescriptions that I've been given.  Several meds that I cannot take and one that I am still suffering side effects from though they claim it can't be the med. How can it not be?  3 weeks prior to taking the med I was perfectly fine.

Just look at some of the tv ads on meds that they advertise and all the side effects; including death!  Gee ... that makes you want to ask your doctor to prescribe it!             

[Smokin Joe]

Though I believe it would be a good thing to have on hand, I absolutely would hesitate to ingest it. Heck,  I hesitate with the prescriptions that I've been given.  Several meds that I cannot take and one that I am still suffering side effects from though they claim it can't be the med. How can it not be?  3 weeks prior to taking the med I was perfectly fine.

Just look at some of the tv ads on meds that they advertise and all the side effects; including death!  Gee ... that makes you want to ask your doctor to prescribe it!             

I hear you.

Get rid of that red itchy skin spot!

and then, in the fine print...May cause trouble breathing, poor heart rhythms, loss of memory, pulmonary failure, loss of external genitalia, diminished kidney function, or permanent damage to eyesight...Consult your doctor if death occurs...


Uh, no thanks, I'll just keep scratching...

I have taken this, myself, with no ill effects, aside for a minor desire to kick some people (just kidding). The use of the ionophore with zinc is allegedly effective as prophylaxis as well (which stands to reason, considering as an early onset regimen it is supposed to get the zinc ions into the pneumocytes to stop viral replication, you'd think the presence of the ions would nip any infection in the bud before it got going).

As with any veterinary antibiotic, I am leery of doing so, simply because if something adverse does occur, I may be clinically on my own.

I have only had reactions to the penicillin group antibiotics, so I avoid those, period. I research the drug, whether prescribed by a doctor or something for critters, and know what to look for, therapeutic dosage and duration, etc.

I have often been in situations where getting to a doctor just was not an option, but had access to or had with me antibiotics for critters I had not needed to talk some physician into giving me a prescription for (something that is difficult to do here, especially with the younger doctors around).

[jmyrlefuller]

Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.

I firmly agree.

But I also realize the government in most places isn't going to be as lenient... and if the current bureaucrats in Washington are any indication, it likely will not let the rest of those places be, either.

[LegalAmerican]

Yep.  My son took it before he went on a missions trip overseas a couple of years ago. 

Edited to add -- I wonder if it has any long-lasting effects. Although my daughter-in-law contracted COVID (as a nurse working with the COVID patients), my son did not.

Polly are you LDS? No issue, just helps me understand a person. article 12.  (11?)

[Gefn]

My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning...

@mystery-ak

How is your son doing today? Hopefully he is feeling better.

[Hoodat]

To anyone who is still considering getting vaccinated, please watch this video:

https://seed167.bitchute.com/BFwpmlvkLsJY/Dccv1kgGBBLl.mp4

[Right_in_Virginia]

99.7%. RECOVERY RATE. 

I don't know who started this "99 percent-plus recovery rate" mantra, but it never tells the full story.  The "99 percent-plus" recovery rate does not apply universally across the board.  There are several factors that significantly chip away at the survival rate you're quoting:

There's age (over 60) and there are "comorbidities" (other illness) that put someone at greater risk of a long recovery or none at all --- at any age.

These risks include: obesity, lung disease (COPD, asthma), cardiovascular disease (arteriosclerosis, heart valve disorders, heart rhythm disorders, high blood pressure), diabetes, liver disease, existing immune system disorders.

So that blanket 99%+ recovery may be giving some folks a false sense of security. The responsible thing to do is encourage people to make the best, informed decision they can make for themselves after talking with their personal physicians. 

[Hoodat]

The responsible thing to do is encourage people to make the best, informed decision they can make for themselves after talking with their personal physicians.

I haven't had a personal physician since 2011.  So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci).  I recommend others do the same.

[libertybele]

To anyone who is still considering getting vaccinated, please watch this video:

https://seed167.bitchute.com/BFwpmlvkLsJY/Dccv1kgGBBLl.mp4

Thanks for the video.  I have heard several similar warnings from other medical professionals.  I do not do well with some prescribed meds.  Vaccine is not for me.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I haven't had a personal physician since 2011.  So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci).  I recommend others do the same.

I still recommend folks sit and talk with a physician....even if he/she is your neighbor's doc.  And yes, you can bring your Internet notes.  But talk to someone with a calmer presence of mind than found on the world wide web.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I haven't had a personal physician since 2011.  So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci).

Fauci's apples to oranges.  He's not a physician, he's a politician.

[libertybele]

I still recommend folks sit and talk with a physician....even if he/she is your neighbor's doc.  And yes, you can bring your Internet notes.  But talk to someone with a calmer presence of mind than found on the world wide web.

Certainly a lot of misinformation out there but also a lot of information that is kept from the public.  IMHO I don't trust a vaccine that had very minimal testing.  We've been lied to about this virus from the beginning.  Of course the medical community in general is going to back a vaccine.  Just like the flu vaccine.  I know a woman in her early 90's who never had any vaccines.  None.  She is healthy and is on no medications....not even a low dose aspirin that the docs push.  I am not one for meds.  They have absolutely done me more harm than good.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Certainly a lot of misinformation out there but also a lot of information that is kept from the public.  IMHO I don't trust a vaccine that had very minimal testing.  We've been lied to about this virus from the beginning.  Of course the medical community in general is going to back a vaccine.  Just like the flu vaccine.  I know a woman in her early 90's who never had any vaccines.  None.  She is healthy and is on no medications....not even a low dose aspirin that the docs push.  I am not one for meds.  They have absolutely done me more harm than good.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other.  I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.

[mountaineer]

I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.

Did you ask a question about the vaccine or give him the ole' malocchio?? 

[libertybele]

I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other.  I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.

I talked to one of my doctors and she thinks it should be ok.  It wasn't a very definitive answer.  Also none of my doctor's offices have the vaccine available.  It is being administered by grocery store and chain pharmacies.  No thank you.

They are going to try to force everyone to get the vaccine but when people start to get adverse reactions later on, the public will realize that they've been duped  once again by our govt.....just my opinion.  Nope.  Not getting the vaccine!

[Hoodat]

I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other.  I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.

Again, I don't have a physician.  Thanks to the federal government.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Again, I don't have a physician.  Thanks to the federal government.

This is awful.  Why thanks to the government?  Obamacare?  VA?

You need a physician...... where are you located?

[libertybele]

Again, I don't have a physician.  Thanks to the federal government.

At this point in time you're probably better off.  Herbs and diet changes for me have proven to be more beneficial than a lot of the harmful ingredients in prescribed meds.

[mountaineer]

Did you ask a question about the vaccine or give him the ole' malocchio?? 

I don't know what that means.

 He asked the question,  I answered and that was the entire covid discussion. I have to get a covid test in a couple of weeks because of upcoming surgery, but I hope that's the extent of my covid experience.

[LegalAmerican]

I haven't had a personal physician since 2011.  So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci).  I recommend others do the same.

My brother is a doctor.  Zero common sense.  He is a demon-rat and voted for obama.  Valedictorian of his class. Straight  A student. 4.0. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Bz2eHNtA&t=27s

[Hoodat]

I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.

My friends at the CDC are still refusing to take it.  But then what do they know, right?

[LegalAmerican]

At this point in time you're probably better off.  Herbs and diet changes for me have proven to be more beneficial than a lot of the harmful ingredients in prescribed meds.

 

  I agree.  Every year about 200,000 people die,  from doctor malpractice.  Having a doctor does not mean you will live.

[Hoodat]

This is awful.  Why thanks to the government?  Obamacare?  VA?

You need a physician...... where are you located?

Obamacare.  I had great insurance at work.  In 2011, the federal government came in and started dictating the coverage they had to offer.  It became cost-prohibitive for the company to continue the excellent coverage they had while at the same time providing all the additional requirements the federal government imposed upon them.  So they cut coverage and switched companies.  The new company had a smaller network.  It did not include my physician.  (He was forced into early retirement shortly after due to his own set of new federal regulations).  The physicians in the new network were either no longer taking patients or were located so far away that it was not practical to use them.

During the next several years, I saw my premiums continue to rise and my deductibles to rise even higher.  Eventually, I went for an HSA and super-high deductible because I was tired of subsidizing the adult children of my co-workers and their pre-existing conditions, not to mention the higher cost of everything because people with no money were now getting federal dollars coming from my taxes to compete against me for medical care.

This past year, my company switched coverage again to an even worse company.  Effectively, I have no insurance.  My deductible is over $12,000.  All of my medical costs come out of pocket.  Yet I am still required by law to carry medical insurance on myself and my family.  And on top of that, the threshold for deducting medical expenses was increased by 33%, again thanks to the federal government.

I am grateful to Almighty G-d for good health.  He alone is my fortress, my healer.  And He is not telling me to get the vaccine.

It cannot be emphasized enough that anything the government gets involved with, it ruins.  And the battle against this virus is no exception.  It is the government that has rejected and in some cases outlaw low-cost methods that have been proven to save lives.  It is the government that has lied again and again about this virus.  It is the government that funded this lab in the first place.  And it is the government that insists that getting this vaccine will not change a thing about our current nazi usurpation of our basic freedoms.

If for your vaccine to work requires that I get vaccinated, then your vaccine doesn't work.  And it doesn't take a personal physician to figure that one out.

[LegalAmerican]

My brother is a doctor.  Zero common sense.  He is a demon-rat and voted for obama.  Valedictorian of his class. Straight  A student. 4.0. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Bz2eHNtA&t=27s

They tell you it is nothing about tracking you, then continue while saying, it is a chip in your system......

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's not my vaccine @Hoodat   ... I've no skin in this game.

And I'm sorry to hear your difficulties with health insurance.  I couldn't agree more that once government gets involved in it, kiss goodbye how well it's been working.

A damn shame all around.

Wishing you and yours continued good health 

[jmyrlefuller]

My friends at the CDC are still refusing to take it.  But then what do they know, right?

I highly doubt you have "friends at the CDC" who would even be allowed to refuse.