How safe are the COVID vaccines?

[Hoodat]

But it also gets an edge from mutations that let it escape antibodies from other coronaviruses. They estimate that in 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 lineages in Manaus last year, somewhere between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1 in Manaus.

The researchers found support for this conclusion in an experiment in which they mixed P.1 viruses with antibodies from Brazilians who had Covid-19 last year. They found that the effectiveness of their antibodies dropped sixfold against P.1 compared with other coronaviruses. That drop might mean that at least some people would be vulnerable to new infections from P.1.

That's really beautiful and all, but is there a documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'?  No petri dish experiments.  No theories.  No estimates.  But an actual case?

[Hoodat]

If your vaccine needs for me to be vaccinated in order for it to work, then your vaccine doesn't work.

[jafo2010]

From all that I have read, and doctors I have listened to, it is not the immediate after affects of the vaccine at issue, it is 2 - 20 years down the road when your body is attacked by another virus other than COVID, speculation being that those with the vaccine will have an auto immune response, which will kill many.  Time will tell.

These vaccines are NOT tested.  The whole reason it takes 5 to 10 years to develop a vaccine or any pharma is due to the testing that takes place.  We had zero animal testing with these vaccines.  ZERO!!!

I have had this crap disease twice now.  When I had it first time, there was no test to determine if I had COVID.  The most recent bout of this sh*t, which was just recently, I tested positive.  About the most scary thing is how quickly one becomes weak.  Extremely weak unlike any illness I experienced before.  I WILL NOT GET A VACCINE TO PROTECT AGAINST A VIRUS KILLING 2/10THS OF ONE PERCENT.   I am 67, and I am overweight, and I would much rather take my chances with the virus each year than shoot my body with something that makes me a guinea pig.

And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic.  The last companies I trust are pharma.  If you knew the process for getting pharma approved, you would not trust any pharma product either.  Corruption is an understatement.  Anyone that trusts the FDA is simply clueless.  If it is not vaccines causing autism, then what is?

Both times I had this disease, and my wife, the infectious disease physician, we followed the same course.  Her symptoms were far less, partially because she is 20 years my junior, but she believes because of her taking kefir that she has made at home.  She orders grains that produce fresh kefir daily, with exorbitant bacteria counts, and a broad spectrum of bacteria, like 150 billion in a small glass of kefir..  This last time, her ONLY symptom was a fibro myalgia sort of pain of her skin.  I had that symptom too.  But I had a fever for 15 days, she did not have that. I had half a dozen other symptoms too.

She believes the key to an incredibly strong immune system is the digestive tract being populated with high quality bacteria.  She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture.  The bacteria count is through the roof, and of a much better quality than anything you buy in the store.  She now has me drinking it, so that in the future, should I get it again, my body will respond more like hers.  Since I HATE sour anything, I would normally not want it, but since I lost most of my taste, her kefir taste more like a milkshake.  I can drink it.  I suppose once I get used to it, I will continue drinking it into the future.

I am curious to see how well it will protect me when we have the next virus.

For the women here that are subject to having a UTIs, she strongly recommends this kefir made at home.  If anyone is interested, I can ask her where she gets the grains.  She is very fussy about all that.

[jmyrlefuller]

And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic.

That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.

Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.

[Smokin Joe]

That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.

Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.

Well, that's part of the problem, and not just in medicine. Moving the goalposts has become THE way to remain relevant, which translates into funding from private and public sources. Now definitions have been expanded to include buffer zones around previous criteria, while some things which would be considered politically incorrect get a pass...

[mountaineer]

An online acquaintance (someone I met at FR before we both were banned) reported she got the J&J vaccine today:  After the injection I was dizzy; they sat me down and gave me crackers and water. Then they bought in two National Guardsmen to take me outside to throw up so I wouldn't throw up in the bathroom. I am now home in bed. UPDATE: left half of face is swollen, red and boiling hot.

[libertybele]

An online acquaintance (someone I met at FR before we both were banned) reported she got the J&J vaccine today:  After the injection I was dizzy; they sat me down and gave me crackers and water. Then they bought in two National Guardsmen to take me outside to throw up so I wouldn't throw up in the bathroom. I am now home in bed. UPDATE: left half of face is swollen, red and boiling hot.

Oh my God!  I thought that the J&J vaccine would be better than the Moderna or Pfiezer. 

My vote is still NO.  The vaccines are NOT safe. 

[thackney]

I had the second round of Pfizer Vaccine this afternoon.  I had a bit of a headache for an hour or so but seems fine now.  After dinner, I worked in the garden and fixed a gate the steer had torn loose from this weekend.  I do not have any issues, not even pain at the injection site.

[DCPatriot]

Had the 2nd Moderna about 1pm today.  Never felt the shot.

So far, no aches or pains or cold symptoms.   Of course, it's only 8 hours.

[jafo2010]

jmyrlefuller...
That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.

Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.

Your info is a crock!  My son was born in 1980.  With all we knew at the time, we did not permit any pediatrician to give him vaccines of any kind until he was past three years of age because of the SUSPICION  that they caused autism.  Same was true for our other two kids that came along later.

[Right_in_Virginia]

She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture

It would be greatly appreciated if you share the specifics of this.  (And, yes, will sign a release if you'd like  )

Thanks!  @jafo2010

[jafo2010]

My wife ordered the grains right off Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Grains-Unleashed-Thomas-Egbert/dp/B007GGRJTG

[catfish1957]

Got my 2nd Pfizer vaccine a week ago today.

Shot 1, my arm was sore for 2 days.
Shot 2, arm really didn't even get sore.  No other side effects or impacts. 

[GrouchoTex]

I got my 2nd dose Pfizer yesterday, @ 2:00 pm
I was fine last night.
Got up for work this morning.
I didn't go.
O2 down in the 80's %.
Sweating, from low grade fever.
Dizzy.
Loss of appetite.

Feeling a bit better.
A little sore in the arm, O2% coming back up, appetite returning.
Head feels a bit clogged still, no more fever.

My unscientific poll of people who have had a 2nd shot finds that 25% had side effects for the next day, including me.

[jmyrlefuller]

Your info is a crock!

Oh, really?

I was diagnosed with Asperger's 20 years ago. It runs, to various degrees, in my family. By and large, I've lived a healthy, productive, "normal" life without any interventions to speak of. I am sure that many others like me have as well, especially before we had to diagnose every idiosyncratic behavior as some sort of mental disorder.

So please, tell me how the reason I do struggle with some things is because my parents gave me a vaccine instead of force-feeding me some quack's bacteria-laced concoction. 

[MOD4]

 

[Gefn]

I had my second moderna shot on the 1st.

Headache for two days. Not a migraine but it was annoying. Also nauseous. But I’ll take it, it’s still better than getting Covid

[LegalAmerican]

From all that I have read, and doctors I have listened to, it is not the immediate after affects of the vaccine at issue, it is 2 - 20 years down the road when your body is attacked by another virus other than COVID, speculation being that those with the vaccine will have an auto immune response, which will kill many.  Time will tell.

These vaccines are NOT tested.  The whole reason it takes 5 to 10 years to develop a vaccine or any pharma is due to the testing that takes place.  We had zero animal testing with these vaccines.  ZERO!!!

I have had this crap disease twice now.  When I had it first time, there was no test to determine if I had COVID.  The most recent bout of this sh*t, which was just recently, I tested positive.  About the most scary thing is how quickly one becomes weak.  Extremely weak unlike any illness I experienced before.  I WILL NOT GET A VACCINE TO PROTECT AGAINST A VIRUS KILLING 2/10THS OF ONE PERCENT.   I am 67, and I am overweight, and I would much rather take my chances with the virus each year than shoot my body with something that makes me a guinea pig.

And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic.  The last companies I trust are pharma.  If you knew the process for getting pharma approved, you would not trust any pharma product either.  Corruption is an understatement.  Anyone that trusts the FDA is simply clueless.  If it is not vaccines causing autism, then what is?

Both times I had this disease, and my wife, the infectious disease physician, we followed the same course.  Her symptoms were far less, partially because she is 20 years my junior, but she believes because of her taking kefir that she has made at home.  She orders grains that produce fresh kefir daily, with exorbitant bacteria counts, and a broad spectrum of bacteria, like 150 billion in a small glass of kefir..  This last time, her ONLY symptom was a fibro myalgia sort of pain of her skin.  I had that symptom too.  But I had a fever for 15 days, she did not have that. I had half a dozen other symptoms too.

She believes the key to an incredibly strong immune system is the digestive tract being populated with high quality bacteria.  She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture.  The bacteria count is through the roof, and of a much better quality than anything you buy in the store.  She now has me drinking it, so that in the future, should I get it again, my body will respond more like hers.  Since I HATE sour anything, I would normally not want it, but since I lost most of my taste, her kefir taste more like a milkshake.  I can drink it.  I suppose once I get used to it, I will continue drinking it into the future.

I am curious to see how well it will protect me when we have the next virus.

For the women here that are subject to having a UTIs, she strongly recommends this kefir made at home.  If anyone is interested, I can ask her where she gets the grains.  She is very fussy about all that.

Nice. I make homemade yogurt, from my dried milk supply.  Very similar.  I make a smoothie out of it.  I freeze 4 oz, in cup and add fruit later in blender, with splash of apple juice.

[mystery-ak]

As I posted on another thread..with the 2nd Moderna shot I was sick for almost 3 days..nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps and body aches...it started just a couple of hours after the shot..then it just disappeared as fast as it came on..

Husband had the pifzer shots..no problem except for a sore arm for about 12hrs...

[LegalAmerican]

I had my second moderna shot on the 1st.

Headache for two days. Not a migraine but it was annoying. Also nauseous. But I’ll take it, it’s still better than getting Covid

Oh,  no.  A 99.7 % recovery.  Ive had it twice.  Both times, very mild.  ONLY...low grade fever. 5 days first time, 7 days last time.  I putzed around the house, but stayed home. No sneezing, coughing, no running nose...nothing.  Just low grade fever.  VERY ODD.   Twice.

[jmyrlefuller]

Harsh, perhaps, but I mean it. I don't take kindly to being told I don't know jack squat about something I experience every day. This autism/vaccine hoax was concocted by trial lawyers 30 years ago and it wasn't any truer then than it is now.

You have every right to be skeptical of a vaccine. You have no right to baselessly drag my condition into it.

[libertybele]

As I posted on another thread..with the 2nd Moderna shot I was sick for almost 3 days..nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps and body aches...it started just a couple of hours after the shot..then it just disappeared as fast as it came on..

Husband had the pifzer shots..no problem except for a sore arm for about 12hrs...

Most people I know that have rec'd the vaccine have had the Pfizer.  One of my doc's had the Moderna, and was fine, and I didn't ask about the 2nd dose.

I am also concerned about any long term affects.  In time we'll know.

I had more hope for the J&J vaccine, but that vaccine has its own set of issues.

[libertybele]

Harsh, perhaps, but I mean it. I don't take kindly to being told I don't know jack squat about something I experience every day. This autism/vaccine hoax was concocted by trial lawyers 30 years ago and it wasn't any truer then than it is now.

You have every right to be skeptical of a vaccine. You have no right to baselessly drag my condition into it.

 I have found the subject of autism interesting. Autism/vaccine hoax?  I'm not quite so positive about that @jmyrlefuller

When my son was given his first dose of MMR, his arm was more red and swollen then usual and the doctor waited to give him his scheduled next dose and cut it down to 1/4 of the dose.  I am thankful that the doctor made that decision as my son had some other health issues around that time that were luckily correctable. So ... coincidence or the vaccine?

When my daughter was studying advanced anatomy in college, it was the 'opinion' of the professor from his research that it was the binding agent in the MMR vaccine that caused autism.  Consequently, when my grandson was born at 25 weeks, before he was able to leave the NICU they wanted to administer most of the required childhood vaccines early.  Though it meant more injections, she requested that he be given the MMR individually rather than the combination.  He thankfully never had any setbecks and is fine.

My nephew has 2 children and the oldest is autistic. He received his immunizations overseas, so the first thought was that it was something environmental as the youngest child is fine and he received his immunizations in the states.  He has undergone immunotherapy and it has made somewhat of a difference.   

My daughter's friend has 5 children and they are all autistic (God bless her heart). So, of course, you can't help but think it's genetic, however, they all had their childhood vaccines.

Granted these are only 4 instances.  In my nephew's case, if it were genetics,  both children would be autistic, which isn't the case.

So,  could indeed the binding agent in the vaccine be the culprit. Perhaps different binding agents are used depending on the manufacturer?

Which brings up the current COVID vaccines -- yes they are used for COVID, but the vaccines obviously differ somewhat by manufacturer. 

[Idiot]

I got my 2nd dose Pfizer yesterday, @ 2:00 pm
I was fine last night.
Got up for work this morning.
I didn't go.
O2 down in the 80's %.
Sweating, from low grade fever.
Dizzy.
Loss of appetite.

Feeling a bit better.
A little sore in the arm, O2% coming back up, appetite returning.
Head feels a bit clogged still, no more fever.

My unscientific poll of people who have had a 2nd shot finds that 25% had side effects for the next day, including me.

@GrouchoTex
My 24 yr old niece had no problems with the first shot.  The second Pfizer shot she had 102 fever with no appetite for 2 days and had a knot on her arm.  Today she's much better.

[Hoodat]

I have found the subject of autism interesting. Autism/vaccine hoax?  I'm not quite so positive about that @jmyrlefuller

When my son was given his first dose of MMR, his arm was more red and swollen then usual and the doctor waited to give him his scheduled next dose and cut it down to 1/4 of the dose.  I am thankful that the doctor made that decision as my son had some other health issues around that time that were luckily correctable. So ... coincidence or the vaccine?

After my son was given his first dose of MMR, he didn't speak again for the next five years.

[LegalAmerican]

I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully!   99.7 % RECOVERY! 

[jmyrlefuller]

I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully!   99.7 % RECOVERY!

If that number were true, we'd already be at herd immunity. But guess what? People are still getting sick and dying.

[thackney]

I am also concerned about any long term affects.  In time we'll know.

I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.

[Restored]

"recovery"

I know people who are still recovering a month later.

[PeteS in CA]

"recovery"

I know people who are still recovering a month later.

 

I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.

My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.

I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.

[catfish1957]

I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.

Same here.  I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID.  Life is an exercise of risk managment,  Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.

For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days.   And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably?  It's like getting out of prison.

[mountaineer]

I'm less opposed to the 'rona vax than I was a few months ago, but considering I haven't been vaccinated for anything since the measles shot in my childhood, still don't see it as essential.

[PeteS in CA]

Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.

[thackney]

Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.

Absolutely.  Some people have real health reason for not getting the vaccine.  But "I don't want it" is good enough.

[libertybele]

I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.

Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID.  However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.

Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.

[libertybele]

Same here.  I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID.  Life is an exercise of risk managment,  Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.

For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days.   And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably?  It's like getting out of prison.

Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through.  That is my concern.

I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine.  Why?  Those who  have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different?  Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions  or side effects??  The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.

[libertybele]

I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.

My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.

I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.

Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.

[thackney]

Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.

I do not believe all long term impacts of either the virus or vaccine are well known at this point.

We do know that the virus attacks cells supporting nerves for sense of smell and taste.  It is a common effect of the virus impacting 80% of those infected.

Do you believe those are the only cells supporting only those nerves?

[Idiot]

Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID.  However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.

Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.

Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders.  Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine.   

[Smokin Joe]

Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.

In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.

Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases

That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.

[catfish1957]

Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through.  That is my concern.

I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine.  Why?  Those who  have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different?  Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions  or side effects??  The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.

We are not that far off in thinking.  In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med.  OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts.  Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly. 

As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison.   Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.

[Victoria33]

In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med.  OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts.  Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly.  As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison.   Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.

@catfish1957

catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.

People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there.  I will not go.  If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it."  That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.

[mystery-ak]

Growing number of clinics pause J&J vaccines after reports of 'adverse' reactions; CDC finds no safety issues
Clinics in Georgia, Colorado also paused operations over reported side effects

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/north-carolina-johnson-johnson-site-shuts-down-adverse-reactions

[PeteS in CA]

Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.

If you read my post, you'll find that I did not question the "99.7%" figure. My point was that Covid is much more complicated and un-trivial than simply dying or surviving.

[libertybele]

Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders.  Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine.   

Speaking of @Wingnut ???  Where is he these days??   Hopefully not ill with COVID.

[PeteS in CA]

...
catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.
...

PEG is a widely used non-active ingredient in vaccines and other medications. It is the prime suspect in the reported allergic reactions to the various vaccines in wide use in the US and EuroLand (J&J, Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca).

[libertybele]

In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.

Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases

That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.

I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment.  Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us.  Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.

[libertybele]

@catfish1957

catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.

People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there.  I will not go.  If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it."  That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.

Interesting.  So it's the binding agent that you're allergic to. I wonder what binding agent(s) they are using in the COVID vaccines and if they are all using the same one.

Have read countless articles of research about binding agents in the MMR vaccine being responsible for some cases of autism.  It's been awhile, so, I would assume that perhaps the binding agent has been changed.  I know that the binding agents in the flu vaccines have been changed a couple of times.

[Idiot]

I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment.  Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us.  Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.

If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand.  It's flying off the shelves.  I had a friend give me some, just in case.

[libertybele]

If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand.  It's flying off the shelves.  I had a friend give me some, just in case.

I bet you're right, I didn't think about availability.  We have a couple of other feeds stores several miles away too., but I should venture out and get some.