Surgeon general urges widespread mask use: 'It is not a suppression of your freedom'

[Free Vulcan]

I have an experiment for all y'all... An exercise...

Wear your mask long enough to get it wet from your breath... About 10-15 minutes.
Light up a smoke, stand in front of a mirror, and with your mask in place, EXHALE.

Prove it to yourself.

That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.

What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.

[roamer_1]

That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.

What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.

It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.

[sneakypete]

'It is not a suppression of your freedom'..... they have lied before.

@rustynail

WHAT? SAY IT AIN'T SO!

[sneakypete]

What happened to the virus dies in the heat therefore summer months should kill it off?  Seems like it was wrong.

@mrpotatohead

Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.

[Smokin Joe]

@mrpotatohead

Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.

It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised?

[XenaLee]

It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.

Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

Here's a stupid, illogical one.   Went to On The Border with a friend last week.  You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant.  But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off.   This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in.   Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.   If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.

[Bigun]

Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

Here's a stupid, illogical one.   Went to On The Border with a friend last week.  You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant.  But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off.   This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in.   Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.   If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.

Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered.  And for what exactly?

[sneakypete]

It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised?

@Smokin Joe

LOL!

The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.

[XenaLee]

Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered.  And for what exactly?

Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all.   Right?

[Bigun]

Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all.   Right?

  Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees.  Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.

[XenaLee]

Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees.  Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.

Yeah.   Some used up their last dime in savings to open a business. 

And the bar-owners are completely shut down again here in Texas.  Asinine mandate... and I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).   

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

LOL!

The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.

@sneakypete Those aren't bugs, round-eye, those are features!

[sneakypete]

Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

@XenaLee

I have COPD,so I can't wear a mask. They cut off what little air I do get.

So I wear my Lincoln Welding face shield helmet,with a flip up visor. The visor is open at the bottom to allow air in,and it sits a couple of inches away from my nose,allowing me to breathe as easily with it on as I do with it off.

I wear it as a courtesy to others because I am under no delusion as to it or masks being able to stop a airborne virus.

I already had it because I use it when grinding or cutting steel,or weed-whacking in my yard to protect my eyes and face from flying debris.

Wearing it also allows me to not get mad over some numbnuts whining about me not wearing a mask. I barely stopped myself from "laying on hands to "heal" someone" one day,and decided it was also better for me if I wore something. I don't need to waste my money paying fines and lawyers.

   

Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.

You will NEVER win an emotional argument using logic.

 

And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.

That is one of the major problems,and IMNSHO,THE big reason the DNC worked together with the Chinese to develop and release it.  Most of the original service industry workers are now unemployed and drawing unemployment. When that runs out,they will be on welfare,and losing their cars,their houses,and everything they have worked for their whole lives.

Guess who they are going to blame for "crashing the economy and putting me out of my house"? That's right,Trump.

And the Dims will be on every tv station in the nation reminding voters of the "fact" that Trump is responsible for ALL their problems because he just didn't "do enough because he is a billionaire and he does't care about working people".

If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.

See the above,and the Dims will be hailed by every media outlet in the nation as the people who tried to save them,but Trump just wouldn't let them.
 

[roamer_1]

Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.

[roamer_1]

I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).

Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
 

[Applewood]

In Pennsylvania bars and restaurants which had been shut down for two weeks will now be allowed to open on condition that (a) the bars also have a restaurant attached and cannot allow seating at the bar (must serve alcohol only to restaurant tables or allow takeout); and  (b) no more than 25% of capacity allowed indoors. 

Restaurant/bar owners and certain politicians are going to again seek to have the courts curb the Goobernor's powers in this regard.  They already tried once and failed.

Meanwhile, there was another "peaceful demonstration" near Pittsburgh today.  The media will only show aerial views so we can't exactly tell how many people are gathered, whether they are wearing masks or practicing social distancing. 

But law abiding citizens who own bars. restaurants and other entertainment venues are being punished for an alleged rise in COVID cases.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Smokin Joe]

No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.

The local Menards started losing business today...

Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....

[Cyber Liberty]

No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.

What makes you think they aren't obeying?  Don't tell me you're believing the press!

[Cyber Liberty]

Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
 

I dunno.  The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left.  "Cyber's Place."  It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out.  That's why I keep a spare keg.

[libertybele]

I dunno.  The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left.  "Cyber's Place."  It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out.  That's why I keep a spare keg.

Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 

[Smokin Joe]

Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 

Not to mention the drive home is safer.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 

Indeed it does!  I was tasked by the GOP Director to fill a baby wagon with booze for a silent auction at the Picnic Saturday.  I merely had to grab the top-shelf stuff off the bar, and voila!  $300 bucks worth of booze in 6 bottles.  It's good to own a Bar.

[Smokin Joe]

...and it would prevent you from getting lost in your own subdivision trying to find your house too (long story - one of my high school days)

Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm.

[roamer_1]

The local Menards started losing business today...

Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....

Well we got the axe today.... Our dem governor has ruled that any county with more than four active cases (which is pretty well every county), mask wearing is mandatory in businesses, with the businesses being fined $300 for first incident, and $500 for every incident thereafter.

Flathead county has a total of 100 cases, and most of those are imported by folks coming in to their summer homes.

Sonsabitches are gonna make me do it... whether I damnwell want to or not. Well screw em. I wont anyhow.

[libertybele]

Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm.

Easier said then done.

[roamer_1]

What makes you think they aren't obeying?  Don't tell me you're believing the press!

See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.

[libertybele]

Well we got the axe today.... Our dem governor has ruled that any county with more than four active cases (which is pretty well every county), mask wearing is mandatory in businesses, with the businesses being fined $300 for first incident, and $500 for every incident thereafter.

Flathead county has a total of 100 cases, and most of those are imported by folks coming in to their summer homes.

Sonsabitches are gonna make me do it... whether I damnwell want to or not. Well screw em. I wont anyhow.

Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous. So far our city council voted against mandating wearing masks but they are advising and requesting that everyone wear masks when entering a business.  Today I went to the doctors and there was a sign on the door -- no mask no entry -- but there was a person without a mask in the waiting room.  All chairs were 6 ft. apart. 

One of these days, this will all be over.   

[XenaLee]

Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous. So far our city council voted against mandating wearing masks but they are advising and requesting that everyone wear masks when entering a business.  Today I went to the doctors and there was a sign on the door -- no mask no entry -- but there was a person without a mask in the waiting room.  All chairs were 6 ft. apart. 

One of these days, this will all be over.   

Ehh... I hate to break it to ya, but.... it won't be 'over' until a DemocRat wins the presidency.   Which means that for another four years we will have to endure the left's constant and ongoing attempts to melt down the economy using Corona virus...so they can "dump Trump".  They'll be working towards 2024 as soon as their tears (finally) dry on November 4.  I have no illusions that it will all go away.  And if or when they do win back the WH, we'll all still be doubly screwed as a nation.   Sorry.

[Cyber Liberty]

See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.

Just show them the Griz beard and demand "Just where should I put it, pal?"  Really, I don't see the point in this shit, but there I was, going into Tractor Supply for birdseed.  Did our baby quail deserve their feed?  We were out.

[sneakypete]

See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.

@roamer_1

Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.

They are completely at the mercy of the state.

[libertybele]

@roamer_1

Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.

They are completely at the mercy of the state.

True.  But are they then going to create a department to go around and make sure businesses are complying?? That's a lot of restaurants, bars, grocery stores, retail shops, etc., to check on or are they going to be real a-holes and give an 800# so people can report businesses not complying.  IOW they would have to have a way to reinforce the mandate.

I find it interesting as time has gone on, retailers, offices, doctors, libraries, etc., have all implemented CDC guidelines around here as far as social distancing but yet our city council voted against a mask mandate. Now that our number of cases have increased more people are wearing masks, but I'd say 30% still don't wear a mask.  Today, Walmart announced that ALL people must wear masks or no entry -- we'll see how their business fares around here. There is nothing at my neighborhood Walmart that I need that I can't get elsewhere.

[Applewood]

True.  But are they then going to create a department to go around and make sure businesses are complying?? That's a lot of restaurants, bars, grocery stores, retail shops, etc., to check on or are they going to be real a-holes and give an 800# so people can report businesses not complying.  IOW they would have to have a way to reinforce the mandate.

I find it interesting as time has gone on, retailers, offices, doctors, libraries, etc., have all implemented CDC guidelines around here as far as social distancing but yet our city council voted against a mask mandate. Now that our number of cases have increased more people are wearing masks, but I'd say 30% still don't wear a mask.  Today, Walmart announced that ALL people must wear masks or no entry -- we'll see how their business fares around here. There is nothing at my neighborhood Walmart that I need that I can't get elsewhere.

in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se.  They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply.  So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming. 

[libertybele]

in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se.  They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply.  So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming.

Gottcha. I was surprised that our city council voted the mandate down but glad to see that some of the people who live here full time and have been around awhile still have some clout and most are conservative. 

[roamer_1]

One of these days, this will all be over.   

No it will not. They have found their unicorn - The perfect way to bring everyone to heel, a perfect way to get nervous nancys to inform on their neighbors, a perfect control over businesses..

This won't ever be over till it is put down hard.

[Cyber Liberty]

in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se.  They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply.  So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming.

Karens.  They have Karens to report, we've already seen it.

[Cyber Liberty]

No it will not. They have found their unicorn - The perfect way to bring everyone to heel, a perfect way to get nervous nancys to inform on their neighbors, a perfect control over businesses..

This won't ever be over till it is put down hard.

I think it's going to be put down, I hope.  Good and hard.

[roamer_1]

I think it's going to be put down, I hope.  Good and hard.

I hope so too, though people are sheep.

As for me, I will just have to hunker down again again. he pantry ain't all the way full. not by a long shot, but here I am eating it down sommore. I can easy go a couple months, and by then I should be past harvest. Looks like I'll be doing it old school this time.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.

They are completely at the mercy of the state.

Not if all of em, or a lot of them fail to comply. But that is probably too much to ask for.

[sneakypete]

Not if all of em, or a lot of them fail to comply. But that is probably too much to ask for.

@roamer_1

Well,I may be wrong,but I have never lived anywhere or heard of anywhere that you can buy things wholesale without having a business license to operate at a specific location.

Without that license you are going to pay retail or close to it for everything you use or sell,and it would be awful hard to turn a profit and earn a living when you are buying at retail prices.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Well,I may be wrong,but I have never lived anywhere or heard of anywhere that you can buy things wholesale without having a business license to operate at a specific location.

Without that license you are going to pay retail or close to it for everything you use or sell,and it would be awful hard to turn a profit and earn a living when you are buying at retail prices.

Not if everyone in town ignored the edict. At that point the edict is nullified.

[sneakypete]

Not if everyone in town ignored the edict. At that point the edict is nullified.

@roamer_1

Good luck with that one. You can't even get everybody to show up for free beer and free porn

[mountaineer]

The article goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:

It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis.

[Bigun]

The article goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:

Yeah! I posted the article here several days ago but I guess only a very few bother to read things like that.

@mountaineer

[XenaLee]

Yeah! I posted the article here several days ago but I guess only a very few bother to read things like that.

@mountaineer

It's probably not that few bother to read it, it's more likely that we/they had already read similar findings.   All it does is reiterate what we already knew.  Wearing the mask is just a 'feel-good' symbolic gesture to make everyone around you feel safer.  It's a false sense of security and could end up doing more harm.  But we knew that.

[Cyber Liberty]

The article goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:

    It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis.

I've been calling masks a "talisman" for months.  They're that effective, like having a magic broach that makes you invisible or impervious to arrows.

[Bigun]

Ahem! Cough! Cough! About all those positive test results!

[XenaLee]

I've been calling masks a "talisman" for months.  They're that effective, like having a magic broach that makes you invisible or impervious to arrows.

I actually wish I had a "magic" broach (Harry Potter cloak?) that made me invisible.  I'd sneak in with no mask and wreak havoc among all the SJWs by pulling their masks down/off.  Damn... that would be fun.

[XenaLee]

Ahem! Cough! Cough! About all those positive test results!

This is starting to look like The Walking Dead.  Only, instead of everyone having the virus and turning into a zombie... everyone merely "tests positive" for the Plandemic leftists' cooked books and shutdown agenda.  Because...

Orange Man Bad.

[roamer_1]

This is starting to look like The Walking Dead.  Only, instead of everyone having the virus and turning into a zombie... everyone merely "tests positive" for the Plandemic leftists' cooked books and shutdown agenda.  Because...

Orange Man Bad.

This is WAY WAY bigger than the Orange man. This is world wide...

[XenaLee]

This is WAY WAY bigger than the Orange man. This is world wide...

Right.   And do you see anyone actually holding China accountable for the lives lost and damage done?  Me neither.