Surgeon general urges widespread mask use: 'It is not a suppression of your freedom'

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Surgeon general urges widespread mask use: 'It is not a suppression of your freedom'
By Brett Samuels - 06/30/20 07:25 PM EDT

Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Tuesday implored Americans, and young Americans in particular, to wear masks as lawmakers and public health officials increasingly seek to break down partisan barriers about the use of face coverings.

Adams specifically sought to address arguments among some conservatives that requiring masks is an infringement on personal freedoms and civil liberties, arguing that wearing a mask will actually restore freedoms more quickly amid the coronavirus pandemic.

"Wear a face covering when you go out in public. It is not an inconvenience. It is not a suppression of your freedom. It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said during a briefing with members of the White House coronavirus task force.

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[skeeter]

A bureaucrat telling me what is and isn't infringement of my freedom... whats wrong with that picture?

[Smokin Joe]

So who is right?

[Free Vulcan]

You are way above your pay grade there Sparky.

[jmyrlefuller]

Maybe he shouldn't have said literally the opposite back in March.

[GtHawk]

"It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said

Yes Dr. Adams I really believe your statement, my fear and apprehension lies you and others not being completely honest about what those goals are.

[DB]

The chances of a cloth mask filtering out a virus is pretty close to zero.

[AL]

So now we hear from another swamp quack.  Only real purpose of these masks is to make the rioters and looters harder to identify.

[Smokin Joe]

So now we hear from another swamp quack.  Only real purpose of these masks is to make the rioters and looters harder to identify.

Yep!

[Jazzhead]

Adams is right.   Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy,  and getting businesses back and folks  back to work. 

Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election.   So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.

[DB]

Adams is right.   Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy,  and getting businesses back and folks  back to work. 

Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election.   So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.

How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.

How about a dose of reality?

[Jazzhead]

How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.

How about a dose of reality?

Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding.   That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.

So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President.  Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress.   That, sir, is reality.

[Cyber Liberty]

Adams is right.   Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy,  and getting businesses back and folks  back to work. 

Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election.   So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.

If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead.  It doesn't shock me.  I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.

[Cyber Liberty]

Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding.   

So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President.  Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress.   That, sir, is reality.

You have repeatedly stated that Trump will lose no matter what, and we need that winner Sanford in there instead. Failing that, you now say that if we all wear submission masks Trump will be saved?  Do Briefers look stupid, to you?     

That, sir, is reality.

You said it, not I.

[jmyrlefuller]

If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead.  It doesn't shock me.  I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.

And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.

[240B]

If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead.  It doesn't shock me.  I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.

We all know the 'mask' issue is more about government domination than it is about health. However, the guys I deal with are scared little clerks who have no idea what is going on. I will wear my Jesse James bandana for them. It is stupid. I does nothing for any virus. But if it will make some clerk's day easier then, What the hell?

[Cyber Liberty]

And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.

I'm not asking YOU to do it, @jmyrlefuller, so I'll be happy to ask you to MYOFB.

[Cyber Liberty]

We all know the 'mask' issue is more about government domination than it is about health. However, the guys I deal with are scared little clerks who have no idea what is going on. I will wear my Jesse James bandana for them. It is stupid. I does nothing for any virus. But if it will make some clerk's day easier then, What the hell?

For the clerks stuck in the middle, I'd do it, but I'll be damned if I do without being asked.  If it's necessary to do business, I'll make that calculus on a case by case basis.  Maybe I'll do ask asked (if I'm asked nicely), or maybe I'll take my business elsewhere.

[XenaLee]

I'm not asking YOU to do it, @jmyrlefuller, so I'll be happy to ask you to MYOFB.

       

[roamer_1]

How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.

How about a dose of reality?

Even that is not true. If one has the Wuhan bug, the exahuast on the N95 is unfiltered. So anyone who is asymptomatic is walking around spreading it anyway. And it offers zero eye protection.

The ONLY thing that offers REAL protection is a full face mask with filters on intake and exhaust, or a wholly self contained (piped) air system.

That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.

[roamer_1]

So wear the damn mask [...]

No. Not a single damn chance in hell of that happening. I will not comply.

[DB]

And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.

The corona virus is about 120 nm in size. A cloth mask provides essentially zero protection against that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/

In addition, your eyes are also entry points for any virus that is airborne. Your eyes are moist and act like collectors for anything floating around in the air.

If you fully cover your eyes and wear an N95 mask that is properly fitted you have a shot at avoiding an airborne contagion.

Otherwise not so much. Just feel good bullshit.

[DB]

Even that is not true. If one has the Wuhan bug, the exahuast on the N95 is unfiltered. So anyone who is asymptomatic is walking around spreading it anyway. And it offers zero eye protection.

The ONLY thing that offers REAL protection is a full face mask with filters on intake and exhaust, or a wholly self contained (piped) air system.

That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.

My N95 masks don't have exhaust valves. So these are likely bidirectional in filtering. But that isn't the point... And yes, the eyes are also an entry point that I've mentioned numerous times.

[roamer_1]

My N95 masks don't have exhaust valves. So these are likely bidirectional in filtering. But that isn't the point...

Huh. The ones I have here have a flapper valve on an exhaust port open to daylight... Stops intake, lets exhaust... 

And yes, the eyes are also an entry point that I've mentioned numerous times.

Me too - Folks don't seem to hear it.

[Jazzhead]

You have repeatedly stated that Trump will lose no matter what, and we need that winner Sanford in there instead. Failing that, you now say that if we all wear submission masks Trump will be saved?  Do Briefers look stupid, to you?     

Well, some of the thoughts expressed on this thread are idiotic, or selfish, or both.   

Let's put aside my views about Donald Trump.   I could care less about that self-destructive fool;  I care about the GOP retaining the Senate,  because if we don't, it's ALL over.   We can play effective defense for a few years with the Senate,  but if Trump drags the GOP down,  the Dems will get rid of the filibuster and eviscerate minority rights.   The freedom-inspired American Revolution will be replaced the Jacobin left's appetite for destruction.

But our interests still align.  What will encourage a Trump victory will, broadly speaking, help encourage GOP victory in the Senate.   So let's work together, even as we may hold our noses at the sight of each other.   

The idiots who are politicizing the issue of masks are pulling down Trump and the GOP.    Here in Pennsy and New Jersey,   Dem governors have seized upon evidence that some folks in the south and west are refusing to wear masks to justify slowing down or stopping the reopening of their economies.   Folks remain out of work,  and some are facing tragic choices regarding their businesses, their livelihoods, and their mortgages and health insurance.   And those with no immediate prospects for the future have the time and inclination to protest, loot and riot.   

If the economy isn't robust and recovering come November WE LOSE.    The simple expedient of wearing a mask is the key to reopening the economy,  and the politicization of the issue has provided the Dems with the excuse to keep that from happening. 

You're an idiot if you knowingly play into the hands of your enemy.  Trump's proven his idiocy in this regard many times over;  don't follow him down that self-destructive road.   

[Fishrrman]

DB wrote:
"As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?"

Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?

Really... why...?

[roamer_1]

Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?

Really... why...?

To maintain a sterile field - a far different thing.
The better question: Why don't virologists wear paper masks in virology labs?
 ANSWER: Because they don't work against viral contamination.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, some of the thoughts expressed on this thread are idiotic, or selfish, or both.   

Trash talking Briefers will get you nowhere.  Why do you slum here, anyway?  You've called me selfish before, and worse.

[Smokin Joe]

Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding.   That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.

So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President.  Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress.   That, sir, is reality.

Write TRUMP 2020 on it. See how long they demand you wear it.

[Cyber Liberty]

Write TRUMP 2020 on it. See how long they demand you wear it.

A gal brought some masks in today, with the Trump 2020 flag printed on them.  They'll sell.  All our Trump flags sold out in two days.

[Free Vulcan]

That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.

Alot of times it will say on the package itself that it doesn't stop viruses but the CDC/WHO pushes the narrative anyway.

Or as a buddy of mine put it -  do the fart test. If you can smell the fart, you're just fooling yourself.

[roamer_1]

Alot of times it will say on the package itself that it doesn't stop viruses but the CDC/WHO pushes the narrative anyway.

Or as a buddy of mine put it -  do the fart test. If you can smell the fart, you're just fooling yourself.

YEP. The fart test was fairly applied as a painter... A good indicator that your respirator was not functioning correctly...

And btw, a painter's respirator is liable to be a helluva lot better in filtration than a paper mask, cooler, and more comfortable... And STILL won't stop a bug according to the numbers. If I were so inclined, for the 20 bucks, that's what I would be wearing.

But I am not so inclined. My neck's up now.

[Cyber Liberty]

YEP. The fart test was fairly applied as a painter... A good indicator that your respirator was not functioning correctly...

And btw, a painter's respirator is liable to be a helluva lot better in filtration than a paper mask, cooler, and more comfortable... And STILL won't stop a bug according to the numbers. If I were so inclined, for the 20 bucks, that's what I would be wearing.

But I am not so inclined. My neck's up now.

Same here.  I call them "submission masks."  The gal showing off the Trump 2020 cloth masks wasn't amused.   

[roamer_1]

Same here.  I call them "submission masks."  The gal showing off the Trump 2020 cloth masks wasn't amused.   

LOL!

But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?

[Applewood]

I've said this before -- during some past epidemics in Asia, I would see images of residents wearing masks and there would be some expert(s) saying the masks do nothing to prevent the spread of disease.  Even in the beginning of this virus spread, "experts" were saying masks are useless.  Then all of a sudden, the CDC, WHO and others said we need masks to prevent the spread of COVID. 

So what changed? 

I wear one when I go out because most places around here require masks or they won't let you in.  Then today, the Goobernor just made them mandatory everywhere.   I expect next will be another shutdown.  I read that California's Goobernor just ordered shutdowns again for many of the state's counties.  These politicians are determined to put us all back in the box.  They must be stopped.

[Smokin Joe]

LOL!

But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?

You need something more like this, with the right filters.

Better to have filtered, powered, air supply, though.

[roamer_1]

Better to have filtered, powered, air supply, though.

Yeah... But knowing painters like I do, somebody's gonna figure out how to fart in the airline anyhow. 

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah... But knowing painters like I do, somebody's gonna figure out how to fart in the airline anyhow. 

Same breed as rig hands....

[DB]

DB wrote:
"As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?"

Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?

Really... why...?

A paper mask works for things getting splattered about. You don't want someone's blood in your mouth for example. Blood cells are large.

You also don't want someone's spittle in your open body during surgery.

An airborne virus is something else all together.

[Smokin Joe]

A paper mask works for things getting splattered about. You don't want someone's blood in your mouth for example. Blood cells are large.

You also don't want someone's spittle in your open body during surgery.

An airborne virus is something else all together.

Is the virus airborne or droplet borne?

Seems the dweebs at the CDC, etc. never did get clear on that.

If it is airborne, then you need a BSL-4 bubble.

[DB]

I've said this before -- during some past epidemics on Asia, I would see images of residents wearing masks and there would be some expert(s) saying the masks do nothing to prevent the spread of disease.  Even in the beginning of this virus spread, "experts" were saying masks are useless.  Then all of a sudden, the CDC, WHO and others said we need masks to prevent the spread of COVID. 

So what changed? 

I wear one when I go out because most places around here require masks or they won't let you in.  Then today, the Goobernor just made them mandatory everywhere.   I expect next will be another shutdown.  I read that California's Goobernor just ordered shutdowns again for many of the state's counties.  These politicians are determined to put us all back in the box.  They must be stopped.

Asia has massive air pollution. People wear masks there to not breath the crap blowing around.

[DB]

Is the virus airborne or droplet borne?

Seems the dweebs at the CDC, etc. never did get clear on that.

If it is airborne, then you need a BSL-4 bubble.

If it is in a small droplet and your cloth mask captures it. As the moisture evaporates the virus it is liberated to continue on through. And being very small moisture droplets they evaporate quickly in warmer drier climates.

[DB]

LOL!

But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?

The NIH tested cloth masks for virus size things and said they did zip.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/

[Smokin Joe]

If it is in a small droplet and your cloth mask captures it. As the moisture evaporates the virus it is liberated to continue on through. And being very small moisture droplets they evaporate quickly in warmer drier climates.

It's the airborne part (virus survives, much like an anthrax spore, without benefit of being in a droplet) that I wonder about. For all the claims of "science", these words have definite meanings and the sloppy use of them changes the picture. If the virus itself is airborne, then Houston, we have a problem, and the masks are a placebo.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's the airborne part (virus survives, much like an anthrax spore, without benefit of being in a droplet) that I wonder about. For all the claims of "science", these words have definite meanings and the sloppy use of them changes the picture. If the virus itself is airborne, then Houston, we have a problem, and the masks are a placebo.

All masks, including N95, would be too porous. 

[roamer_1]

Same breed as rig hands....

 

[berdie]

OK...I get where you all are coming from. Government control etc. Wearing a mask just isn't a big deal to me...so shoot me. Maybe I've been beaten down by the "no smoking on private property" thing.

I went to buy cigarettes today ( ) , wearing a mask. Some yahoo ignored the signs on the door and inside and refused. So do ya'll think a private business has the right to ask for a mask? Or no shoes no shirt no service? Or no smoking in our establishment.

I contained my comments to the rude guy...mainly because people carry guns these times. But it annoyed me. It was private property. If I require people to wear red clown noses in my home to be admitted that is my business. I may be selling tomatoes. 

So, tell me what he was doing was right...I'm sad.

[Axeslinger]

OK...I get where you all are coming from. Government control etc. Wearing a mask just isn't a big deal to me...so shoot me. Maybe I've been beaten down by the "no smoking on private property" thing.

I went to buy cigarettes today ( ) , wearing a mask. Some yahoo ignored the signs on the door and inside and refused. So do ya'll think a private business has the right to ask for a mask? Or no shoes no shirt no service? Or no smoking in our establishment.

I contained my comments to the rude guy...mainly because people carry guns these times. But it annoyed me. It was private property. If I require people to wear red clown noses in my home to be admitted that is my business. I may be selling tomatoes. 

So, tell me what he was doing was right...I'm sad.

@berdie
The two are not mutually exclusive.   The business owner has the right to require it.  The guy who won’t wear it has the right to do so...just as he has the right to patronize a different business.  Biz owner can require it and refuse service and can call the law when patron will not leave.

I don’t wear a mask.  Screw the govt.  But i have a mask with me because if it’s required by the biz owner, I will put it on or go elsewhere.

[Axeslinger]

Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding.   That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.

So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President.  Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress.   That, sir, is reality.

Here’s a dose of reality...anything and I mean ANYTHING that @Jazzhead says conservatives should do is 180deg out of phase with what conservatives should actually do.  The quintessential broken clock “conservative” 

[berdie]

@berdie
The two are not mutually exclusive.   The business owner has the right to require it.  The guy who won’t wear it has the right to do so...just as he has the right to patronize a different business.  Biz owner can require it and refuse service and can call the law when patron will not leave.

I don’t wear a mask.  Screw the govt.  But i have a mask with me because if it’s required by the biz owner, I will put it on or go elsewhere.

Actually, @axelinger that was the point I was trying to make. If ya don't want to wear a mask...and an owner requires it...just leave.