Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[mountaineer]

I was buying something at a store in western Pa. today and the clerk asked me to move my mask over my nose. I told him it had been over my nose but it slipped down. (That's the mask I intentionally made loose to give me a fighting chance at breathing). I should have told him to stuff it where the sun don't shine, but I just wanted to get out of there and be done with it. 

[jmyrlefuller]

I was buying something at a store in western Pa. today and the clerk asked me to move my mask over my nose. I told him it had been over my nose but it slipped down. (That's the mask I intentionally made loose to give me a fighting chance at breathing). I should have told him to stuff it where the sun don't shine, but I just wanted to get out of there and be done with it. 

That's one thing about the mask thing that does irritate me.

The point of the face covering is to prevent the projection of droplets to the person in front of you, so that they don't get inhaled. Droplets from the nose are projected downward, not outward. So unless you're really tall and standing right over a short person, there's not much need to cover the nose, especially if it's causing breathing difficulties (and yes, it can do that—try singing in one! I've done it for church).

[Bigun]

Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor

[Cyber Liberty]

Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor

Don't be silly, @Bigun!  They need the stiffs.

[mountaineer]

That's one thing about the mask thing that does irritate me.

The point of the face covering is to prevent the projection of droplets to the person in front of you, so that they don't get inhaled. Droplets from the nose are projected downward, not outward. So unless you're really tall and standing right over a short person, there's not much need to cover the nose, especially if it's causing breathing difficulties (and yes, it can do that—try singing in one! I've done it for church).

Not to mention the clerk was wearing a mask and standing behind a plexiglass barrier. Not sure what he thought I could do to him. So far, I've managed to slip off the mask for singing in church, but our pastor (a former surgeon) gives us the stinkeye if we're not wearing them.

[libertybele]

Top COVID-19 vaccine makers say safe, effective and low-cost candidates possible by early 2021

Top vaccine makers predict a vaccine or vaccines may be available as early as the beginning of 2021 and at least two pledged doses will be free or low-cost for all Americans.

Speaking before a House subcommittee Tuesday, executives from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, Moderna and Pfizer said their goal is to have effective vaccines available as soon as possible while following all safety and regulatory guidelines.

None of the pharmaceutical executives would commit to having a vaccine ready for the general public before early 2021, despite repeated questioning by House members.

The United States has so far invested nearly $2.3 billion in the effort to find a vaccine to stop SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, which has killed more than 140,000 Americans.

Safety emerged as a key concern among lawmakers, with several pressing executives on whether the unprecedented speed of vaccine development or potentially lax government regulations would put the public at risk. All the panelists said safety would not be compromised............

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/21/top-covid-vaccine-makers-safe-cheap-doses-may-ready-early-2021/5478232002/

[sneakypete]

Don't be silly, @Bigun!  They need the stiffs.

@Cyber Liberty

The ones who weren't registered Dim voters,will immediately become registered Dim voters.

[sneakypete]

Top COVID-19 vaccine makers say safe, effective and low-cost candidates possible by early 2021

Top vaccine makers predict a vaccine or vaccines may be available as early as the beginning of 2021 and at least two pledged doses will be free or low-cost for all Americans.

@libertybele

Unless,of course,Trump is re-elected. If that happens,the earliest a vaccine will be available is in 2025.

[roamer_1]

@libertybele

Unless,of course,Trump is re-elected. If that happens,the earliest a vaccine will be available is in 2025.

@sneakypete
There will be no effective or long lasting vaccine. Corona is the usual culprit for causing the common cold. It is a fast-morphing virus and because of that, there will be no cure.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
There will be no effective or long lasting vaccine. Corona is the usual culprit for causing the common cold. It is a fast-morphing virus and because of that, there will be no cure.

@roamer_1

This is the first time I  have heard that,but I have no reason to disbelieve you.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

This is the first time I  have heard that,but I have no reason to disbelieve you.

@sneakypete

Corona is very, very common. I have 'vaccinated' cattle for decades (corona is the scours in cowboy lingo)... Dogs are common carriers...

[Smokin Joe]

Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor

Oh, NOW they say this!

 

It likely COULD have saved up to 100,000 lives, already, if the politicians masquerading as scientists hadn't set out on such a jihad to prove it didn't work because Trump mentioned it.

But those a$$hole$ are pimping panic, not a cure.

[libertybele]

Oh, NOW they say this!

 

It likely COULD have saved up to 100,000 lives, already, if the politicians masquerading as scientists hadn't set out on such a jihad to prove it didn't work because Trump mentioned it.

But those a$$hole$ are pimping panic, not a cure.

 

[Hoodat]

07-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	15.226 ↑	1.537 ↓
United States	13.015 ↑	2.135 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


US Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 13.

Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, AZ, & GA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +223.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,065,548.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow

This is a lie. They’re combining deaths from previous days. Yet, Drudge highlights it and the rest of the leftwing media push it.

U.S. reports over 1,000 daily coronavirus deaths for first time since May
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-deaths-thousand-may-a10e174a-9cdc-4148-93e1-dfe55c1f03e4.html

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1285921925521448960

8:57 AM · Jul 22, 2020·Twitter for Android

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow

The media continue to lie about actual daily deaths and a surge. This explains what they’re doing

The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth/

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1285920547935850496

8:52 AM · Jul 22, 2020·Twitter for Android

[mountaineer]

How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail,  and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?

[Right_in_Virginia]

How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail,  and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?

For better or for worse, we simply cannot believe the numbers.

[Smokin Joe]

How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail,  and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?

Well, in lieu of actual data which confirm the Party Line, uncertainty will fuel fear almost equally well.

It isn't about the Virus, it is about FEAR and CONTROL.
Without that, there is no way Americans will opt for mail-in voting.

[Bigun]

Well, in lieu of actual data which confirm the Party Line, uncertainty will fuel fear almost equally well.

It isn't about the Virus, it is about FEAR and CONTROL.
Without that, there is no way Americans will opt for mail-in voting.

 

[Bigun]

[mountaineer]

I see that graphic is from a group called Ohio Liberation. Speaking of Ohio, Gov. DeWine today has mandated masks just about everywhere. 

[mountaineer]

The masktapo. I wonder if they'll check for Jews in the attic, while they're at it.

Allegheny Co. Creates ‘COVID Field Response Team’ To See Which Businesses Aren’t Following Coronavirus Orders
July 22, 2020 at 4:23 pm

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Allegheny County is launching a team that will visit businesses and use checklists to see if they’re following coronavirus orders. The name of the business and a copy of the checklist will then be posted to the county’s website for the public to see.

Allegheny County Executive Rich Fitzgerald says there is confusion about what businesses should and shouldn’t do, and the county has heard that it should provide information on which businesses are and aren’t following the rules.

In response, the county is launching a “COVID Field Response Team” Thursday morning. ...

KDKA

[Bigun]

[Hoodat]

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Allegheny County is launching a team that will visit businesses and use checklists to see if they’re following coronavirus orders. The name of the business and a copy of the checklist will then be posted to the county’s website for the public to see.

What will the gestapo do if Willy Messerschmitt doesn't make his quota of Me-109 fighters?

[sneakypete]

What will the gestapo do if Willy Messerschmitt doesn't make his quota of Me-109 fighters?

@Hoodat

Willie will be getting a train ride to his new job.

[aligncare]

It’s the media’s job to erase institutional, historical memories. It’s been their job since... well, I can’t remember when.

[jmyrlefuller]

You do realize that H1N1 was even less deadly than the regular flu, right?

Oh, never mind...

[Hoodat]

Speaking of . . .


Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

Sharyl Attkisson   |   October 21, 2009   |   9:03 AM

.  .  .  In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.

CBS News learned that the decision to stop counting H1N1 flu cases was made so hastily that states weren't given the opportunity to provide input.  .  .  .

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/


The Obama/Biden Administration ordered a halt in testing during the H1N1 epidemic in order to halt the rise in case numbers.  Yet today, Biden is calling for more testing.  Politics at its worst.

[Hoodat]

07-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	15.303 ↑	1.527 ↓
United States	13.289 ↑	2.111 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & LA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +233.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,070,112.

[jmyrlefuller]

Looking at the Worldometers graphs, the hints at a downward trend in new cases are becoming more obvious in FL, TX, and AZ.

Yet in California, home of the hard lockdown, the infection rate hasn't changed one iota.

[Cyber Liberty]

Looking at the Worldometers graphs, the hints at a downward trend in new cases are becoming more obvious in FL, TX, and AZ.

Yet in California, home of the hard lockdown, the infection rate hasn't changed one iota.

It could be the Draconian measures CA put in place is actually doing harm by concentrating the vulnerable people together with otherwise healthy youngsters home from a night of hard partying.  An easily provable infection vector right there.

[bigheadfred]

The virus is still rampant in our area.  And instead of not knowing anyone that has had it, I know of a few now.  In our community of 100k, we had 2 in their 60's die yesterday.  Our local state prison is reporting well over 200 cases and that's just the one prison, we have two.  People are pretty good about wearing masks, except when they installed my bathroom granite countertop yesterday, none at all.

Just take it for granite they don't have it.

[Hoodat]

07-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	15.447 ↑	1.524 ↓
United States	13.435 ↑	2.107 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & TN.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +188.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,093,033.

[mountaineer]

Sharyl Attkisson  @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020

 

[catfish1957]

Sharyl Attkisson  @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020

 

Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?

[berdie]

Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?

That's a good question. But Ebola has already visited...and didn't spread well. Anthrax was tried after 9/11 and didn't spread well. I don't think Ebola was introduced intentionally. Anthrax...absolutely. I'd have to study up on how or why those two didn't spread as easily as the Corona has.

[mountaineer]

Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?

I  don't think it was a report, just speculation.

[Smokin Joe]

Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?

By the time an Ebola patient is shedding enough virus to spread it, they are in rough shape. Most spread in close range. Anthrax, weaponized, is in the form of spores and those would be the effective means of distribution, not an infected patient.

With coronavirus, infected mild case patients could spread it in a crowd in close quarters, much like the 'protests' where random contact would be acceptable.

[Cyber Liberty]

By the time an Ebola patient is shedding enough virus to spread it, they are in rough shape. Most spread in close range. Anthrax, weaponized, is in the form of spores and those would be the effective means of distribution, not an infected patient.

With coronavirus, infected mild case patients could spread it in a crowd in close quarters, much like the 'protests' where random contact would be acceptable.

That indicates a good strategy on the part of the virus for propagating the species.  I have breathed a sigh of relief when I found out a bug kills people very quickly, like Ebola.  "Don't kill the host too soon" is key.

[Smokin Joe]

That indicates a good strategy on the part of the virus for propagating the species.  I have breathed a sigh of relief when I found out a bug kills people very quickly, like Ebola.  "Don't kill the host too soon" is key.

Remember, this virus is the product of research (and recombination) aimed at "enhanced abilities". 
Essentially, making SARS more contagious was the goal.
Whether it got out by accident or design, I'm reasonably convinced this is a lab product.

Often, with increased contagion, viruses sacrifice some of their deadliness, which may be why this one usually kills people who are already medically compromised on one or more fronts, and not those who are healthy.

[Cyber Liberty]

Remember, this virus is the product of research (and recombination) aimed at "enhanced abilities". 
Essentially, making SARS more contagious was the goal.
Whether it got out by accident or design, I'm reasonably convinced this is a lab product.

Often, with increased contagion, viruses sacrifice some of their deadliness, which may be why this one usually kills people who are already medically compromised on one or more fronts, and not those who are healthy.

In my limited understanding, it looks like this plague was not an accident, but was more likely a feasibility study, or proof-of-concept.  Our unusual reaction to it had the effect of measuring what a response would look like, and proved what the country would put up with.  I'm sure China is surprised at the level of painful blow-back, despite the media's ever-present efforts of using it to get rid of a President. 

Yes, it hurt our economy badly, but it would be instructive to see how the Chinese stock markets (Hong Kong and Shanghai) performed in 2020.

[Hoodat]

Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?

This is an attack on our economy - not on our lives.  And in that regard, it has had a far more devastating effect than ebola or anthrax ever could.

[Smokin Joe]

In my limited understanding, it looks like this plague was not an accident, but was more likely a feasibility study, or proof-of-concept.  Our unusual reaction to it had the effect of measuring what a response would look like, and proved what the country would put up with.  I'm sure China is surprised at the level of painful blow-back, despite the media's ever-present efforts of using it to get rid of a President. 

Yes, it hurt our economy badly, but it would be instructive to see how the Chinese stock markets (Hong Kong and Shanghai) performed in 2020.

Like most novel attacks, however, the question is "How would we respond to this again?"

Then you get into questions of whether the new bug is the 'real deal', or just another attempt to make us damage ourselves.

That could go either way.

[Cyber Liberty]

Like most novel attacks, however, the question is "How would we respond to this again?"

Then you get into questions of whether the new bug is the 'real deal', or just another attempt to make us damage ourselves.

That could go either way.

On that, one thing is for sure:  We damaged ourselves a lot.

[Smokin Joe]

On that, one thing is for sure:  We damaged ourselves a lot.

Yep.  Next time, since "WOLF!" has been cried, and the patients killed to justify that, in the face of a really deadly pathogen, how many would say "Oh, no, not again you don't" and die as a result? Or would another lesser bug be released, with people thinking this was the 'big one' and have round two of this.

THey would be independent events and have to be evaluated on their own, but the public would not see it that way. Especially not after the way they (primarily the media and a few politicians) have made a mess of this.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Dan Bongino Retweeted

Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog

But remember: it’s still too dangerous to go to school or church

VIDEO: 

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1286663507140845569

10:04 AM · Jul 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[bigheadfred]

Your efforts are stentorian and not unnoticed. 

[Hoodat]

VIDEO:  https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1286663507140845569

10:04 AM · Jul 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Near the end of that thread, someone gives an account of how their nephew afflicted with cancer died alone in a hospital because his mother was prohibited from seeing her own son.

[DB]

Near the end of that thread, someone gives an account of how their nephew afflicted with cancer died alone in a hospital because his mother was prohibited from seeing her own son.

That is seriously not okay.