Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[jmyrlefuller]

Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/

[EdinVA]

Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/

So, do these hundreds of "unnamed experts" ever talk to one another?

[Cyber Liberty]

Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/

"They jus' stokin' the coals, Boss!"

[bigheadfred]

Fred, you just won the lottery!

Imagine how much the book rights would be worth...

I don't know about winning the lottery but at least I qualify for Medicaid.

I don't know what a book is. Something about a fire. And rights were like so far back in time no one knows what they are anymore. 

[sneakypete]

Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/

@jmyrlefuller

If I didn't know better and If I were the suspicious type,I MIGHT begin to suspect there was money being made giving these tests/

Gee,I wonder if anyone we know bought stock several months ago in any of the companies that provide the tests and/or gives them?

[truth_seeker]

About one month ago, I was offered an unsolicited test by Quest, and separately by the VA.

During a previous discussion with my primary physician, he said tests only with symptoms. He also said antibody tests have high error rate. Therefore they can give false sense of immunity, and therefore encourage unsafe behavior.

I get my temperature taken every 2-3 days at physical therapy. So I'll use them and symptoms as my initial screen, unless a physician directs me otherwise.

 

[libertybele]

@jmyrlefuller

If I didn't know better and If I were the suspicious type,I MIGHT begin to suspect there was money being made giving these tests/

Gee,I wonder if anyone we know bought stock several months ago in any of the companies that provide the tests and/or gives them?

I would say so and I'd also say that there are a whole lot of people making some money off of this "pandemic".  The Kushner brothers come to mind -- one of their companies was/is an Obamacare insurer.  Labs have to be making a boat load of money, big pharma research, medical supply companies, etc.

[Hoodat]

07-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	14.287 ↑	1.583↓
United States	11.745 ↑	2.197 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +107.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 993,851.

[mountaineer]

[Bigun]

Thanks @mountaineer! I'm fixin to make this as famous as I know how!

[bigheadfred]

Thanks @mountaineer! I'm fixin to make this as famous as I know how!

While you are at it...I'm still pregnant....

[Bigun]

While you are at it...I'm still pregnant....

YOU are gonna be filthy rich!

[roamer_1]

YOU are gonna be filthy rich!

Well, he's half-way there... Now to work on the rich part...

[EdinVA]

Well, he's half-way there... Now to work on the rich part...

Workin on my second million..... gave up on the first...

[roamer_1]

Workin on my second million..... gave up on the first...

Good man! That's the way you do it (play the guitar on the MTV) 

[Hoodat]

07-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	14.599 ↑	1.559 ↓
United States	11.902 ↑	2.200 ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +18.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,014,933.

The 14-day recovery deficit surpasses 1 million.  It shows that 35.8% of cases at least 14 days old remain classified as 'unresolved'.  That is 1 million people who have survived/recovered, but are still listed as sick.  If those people were listed as 'Recovered', then our Recovery-to-death ratio would be 19.1.

[Cyber Liberty]

07-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	14.599 ↑	1.559 ↓
United States	11.902 ↑	2.200 ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +18.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,014,933.

The 14-day recovery deficit surpasses 1 million.  It shows that 35.8% of cases at least 14 days old remain classified as 'unresolved'.  That is 1 million people who have survived/recovered, but are still listed as sick.  If those people were listed as 'Recovered', then our Recovery-to-death ratio would be 19.1.

Thanks for repeating the explanation of the recovery deficit. I'd wager a good number of those are months old.

[txradioguy]

Emerald Robinson ✝️
@EmeraldRobinson
BREAKING: Sources inside Trump Administration confirm to me that CDC has been misreporting the data for coronavirus to inflate the numbers.
6:35 AM · Jul 17, 2020


Emerald Robinson ✝️
@EmeraldRobinson
Trump Administration official tells me that CDC was taking 7 WEEKS to compile & release key coronavirus stats.

Under pressure, CDC started reporting that data with 3 week lag.

So HHS took over data reporting from CDC.

HHS is able to compile & report this data daily.
7:39 AM · Jul 17, 2020

[txradioguy]

Meanwhile a 20 something who died in a motorcycle crash in Orlando was added to the lists of deaths caused by the virus.

[EdinVA]

Emerald Robinson ✝️
@EmeraldRobinson
BREAKING: Sources inside Trump Administration confirm to me that CDC has been misreporting the data for coronavirus to inflate the numbers.
6:35 AM · Jul 17, 2020


Emerald Robinson ✝️
@EmeraldRobinson
Trump Administration official tells me that CDC was taking 7 WEEKS to compile & release key coronavirus stats.

Under pressure, CDC started reporting that data with 3 week lag.

So HHS took over data reporting from CDC.

HHS is able to compile & report this data daily.
7:39 AM · Jul 17, 2020

So, the second peak that we are supposedly looking at more shut downs actually occurred 7 weeks ago?
Am I reading this right?

[txradioguy]

So, the second peak that we are supposedly looking at more shut downs actually occurred 7 weeks ago?
Am I reading this right?

That's what it sounds like to me.

[Bigun]

It has recently come to light that if a CV positive person is tested again that gets reported as another case and it's true no matter how many times that same person gets tested.

[Hoodat]

Thanks for repeating the explanation of the recovery deficit. I'd wager a good number of those are months old.

They are.  Case in point:  The Grand Princess cruise ship.  This ship docked in Oakland on March 9.  Three days prior, test kits had been given out to all the passengers.  A total of 103 (around 9%) tested positive.  Three of the 103 died.  The remaining 100 are still listed as active cases.  Not one is listed as recovered.  Not a single one.  It has been 133 days since the tests were given.  You would think that after four months, someone could classify these 100 persons as 'recovered'.  But no.

[Bigun]

They are.  Case in point:  The Grand Princess cruise ship.  This ship docked in Oakland on March 9.  Three days prior, test kits had been given out to all the passengers.  A total of 103 (around 9%) tested positive.  Three of the 103 died.  The remaining 100 are still listed as active cases.  Not one is listed as recovered.  Not a single one.  It has been 133 days since the tests were given.  You would think that after four months, someone could classify these 100 persons as 'recovered'.  But no.

If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?

[Hoodat]

If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?

Another great point.  Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.

[Cyber Liberty]

Another great point.  Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.

That would require a follow-up test, and who's going to do that when benefiting from a large number of "active" cases?

[skeeter]

Another great point.  Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.

These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.

Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.

[Hoodat]

These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.

Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.

Yep.  The purpose behind the spring lockdown was to make sure we did not reach immunity before the election.

[roamer_1]

Yep.  The purpose behind the spring lockdown was to make sure we did not reach immunity before the election.

... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.

[sneakypete]

If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?

@Bigun

Excellent observation!

BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?

[catfish1957]

@Bigun

Excellent observation!

BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?

And most strikingly is the strong but steady drop of deaths per day nationwide since this thing started.  Data is there.....   they just won't report it;

[sneakypete]

These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.

Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.

@skeeter

The DNC NEEDS this to keep Biden off the campaign trail.

Can you imagine what would have happened to his campaign by now if he had continued making public appearances?

[Bigun]

@Bigun

Excellent observation!

BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?

 

[skeeter]

@skeeter

The DNC NEEDS this to keep Biden off the campaign trail.

Can you imagine what would have happened to his campaign by now if he had continued making public appearances?

This Covid thing is a gift to the rats in numerous ways.

What can you say about a political party who's greatest asset is a global pandemic.

[sneakypete]

This Covid thing is a gift to the rats in numerous ways.

What can you say about a political party who's greatest asset is a global pandemic.

@skeeter

Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.

[skeeter]

@skeeter

Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.

I'm quite sure the rats are working in tandem with the Chicoms. I hope someone at DOJ is watching.

[Bigun]

I'm quite sure the rats are working in tandem with the Chicoms. I hope someone at DOJ is watching.

  but the PROBLEM is that it isn't only rats doing that!  Mitt Romney.  I rest my case!

[jmyrlefuller]

An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.

Something is not right.

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html

[EdinVA]

An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.

Something is not right.

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html

Very poorly written piece.... the chronology is really muddy.  Mandatory isolation after they return but tested negative prior to the isolation but the trawler returned because they were sick????

That said, something is wrong...

[txradioguy]

... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.

IIRC we're at day 122 of the 15 day lockdown to "flatten the curve"

[Bigun]

@skeeter

Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.

YOU are a cynical SOB @sneakypete !  Join the club! And don't forget DIFI's long time driver turned out to be a CHICOM agent.

 

[Bigun]

... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.

The CHICOM military has been wargaming this stuff for at least ten years that we know of.  Looks to me like they have it down pretty good.

[GrouchoTex]

IIRC we're at day 122 of the 15 day lockdown to "flatten the curve"

I'm kind of partial to curves......

 

[txradioguy]

I'm kind of partial to curves......

 

You and me both brother...you and me both. 

[Hoodat]

An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.

Something is not right.

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html

Clearly, one or more of the sailors violated quarantine.  Two weeks elapsed from the time they got tested to the time they left port.  Anything could have happened.  Who washed their laundry, changed out their towels, or served their meals during that time?

[Smokin Joe]

It has recently come to light that if a CV positive person is tested again that gets reported as another case and it's true no matter how many times that same person gets tested.

In some places. Here the counter is the number of unique individuals tested.

[Cyber Liberty]

In some places. Here the counter is the number of unique individuals tested.

You live in a state that doesn't stand to gain a lot from fudging the numbers.  The polar opposite of the rat-infested states of NY, CA, MI and NJ.

[jmyrlefuller]

Clearly, one or more of the sailors violated quarantine.  Two weeks elapsed from the time they got tested to the time they left port.  Anything could have happened.  Who washed their laundry, changed out their towels, or served their meals during that time?

But the sickness did not start until five weeks after leaving port. It would have been impossible to have spread from someone already sick if that were the case.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that this is indeed airborne.

[Hoodat]

But the sickness did not start until five weeks after leaving port. It would have been impossible to have spread from someone already sick if that were the case.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that this is indeed airborne.

"It's hard to establish how this crew was infected, considering that for 35 days, they had no contact with dry land and that supplies were only brought in from the port of Ushuaia," said Alejandra Alfaro, the director of primary health care in Tierra del Fuego.

So they had contact with supply ships during that time.

[Smokin Joe]

... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.

My little tinfoil hat self says those were just the excuse for the travel that was used to redistribute the virus for the next wave.