Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[sneakypete]

Published 4 hours ago
Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report
 By David Aaro | Fox News

A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.

Sebastian Yellow, 35, was found dead by police on May 4. Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers later determined that his death was due to acute alcohol poisoning. His blood-alcohol content measured in at .55. The legal limit in the state is .08.

But before Deavers signed the death certificate, Colorado health officials reportedly categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19. ... Rest of story at FOX News

@mountaineer

I ain't no medical examiner and don't even play one on teebee,but THAT,my friends,is what is described as a "good first clue".

And here I was,impressed with some relatives and friends who blew a 35 on a breathalyzer!

Slackers,is what they were!

[Hoodat]

05-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	6.175 ↑	2.283 ↓
United States	3.659 ↑	4.583 ↓
China	16.878 ↑	1.061 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 690,084
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.0 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.1 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Hoodat]

05-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	6.282 ↑	2.261 ↓
United States	3.686 ↑	4.550 ↓
China	16.881 ↑	1.060 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 716,281
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Cyber Liberty]

05-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	6.282 ↑	2.261 ↓
United States	3.686 ↑	4.550 ↓
China	16.881 ↑	1.060 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 716,281
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thanks, @Hoodat!

[bigheadfred]

Thanks @Hoodat.

At least two months ago I was driving home from work. Yeah, my work has been consistent and growing now it is spring.

Probably around mid February, but I think it was earlier. I am driving home , county road, and this woman comes out to play with a 7-10 year old girl child. I assumed it was her daughter. But the thing is, the woman is wearing a mask.  The kid isn't.

It was weird. Maybe this woman works in a risk environment. Saying if it is her daughter in her house, mom wearing  mask out to play is stupid. If it was someone else's child, putting them, the kid, in a high risk environment is stupid. This virus isn't killing kids.

And here in Idaho, very little damage has been done by the virus. We are stagnant. And have been for weeks. Here in East Idaho, the only thing that has changed is the people selling Plexiglas are living large.

My boss tends to deal with a couple of corporate cabinet hardware supply stores. Through those corporate standards they have reduced availability.

There is a glass business here I have dealt with for coming on 18 years. Mostly working with the front end people. My last boss brings in a customer. A few years back. The guy is looking for a piece of maple to put new handles on his grill equipment. WHO in the hell walks into a cabinet shop and wants "nothing special" for grill tool handles?

I set him up. I had a nice piece of quarter rift hard maple. It was THE tiger's eye. Saved and stashed. Didn't know what I would do with it, eventually, but when this guy walked in it was an easy "giveaway'". Saved me from hoping for another board I could save for a bigger project.

Gist is, this money man got his day made. Told me to drop my name if I needed something from him. I told my now boss to stop waiting on corporate measures and deal local. And drop my name.
Taking the rest  of this story to the lounge. If you are interested.

[jmyrlefuller]

Where to Worry About Catching Covid-19, and Where Not To
Each virus has its unique pattern of spread, and scientists are starting to get a handle on how the novel coronavirus behaves. This understanding is making it possible to rank the risks of different activities from high to low to trivial.

The most informative studies show how the disease is spreading in the real world — a big advance over the various simulations and models that, early on, showed only hypothetical scenarios.

The data show that nine percent of infected people are responsible for 80% of the transmissions, she says. Why? For one thing, the disease is apparently very infectious but only for a short window, and perhaps only in some cases. Contact tracing studies show people are most infectious right around the onset of symptoms, as well as a couple of days before and after. If someone in that stage goes to a party, or church service, or to work in a meat packing plant or nursing home, many other people will probably get sick.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-15/will-i-get-coronavirus-at-the-grocery-store-unlikely
https://twitter.com/i/events/1261403584547168258

(To wit: the idea that there is no contact tracing going on in the U.S. is false. It's being done, just not publicly, and where it is not being done, it's largely because the areas are so overwhelmed that it has been ineffective.)

[catfish1957]

Where to Worry About Catching Covid-19, and Where Not To
Each virus has its unique pattern of spread, and scientists are starting to get a handle on how the novel coronavirus behaves. This understanding is making it possible to rank the risks of different activities from high to low to trivial.

From back in my early early days in the State Dept. of Health, (As inspector and Microbiologist), I've always been somewhat of a disinfection freak.  Don't get me wrong, I am not a germaphobe by any stretch, but there are things that I do and avoid for public health benefit.  I mean things like saving leftovers, to my aversion to eating food from personal kitchens I haven't seen....   

Here is my brief COVID-19 primer.....

Incoming items...   We have deemed a 100 or so square feet garage area for non-disnfection deliveries.  That area remains in quarantine, for a time specified from a list that I have found on various sites..

Cardboard- 1 day
Steel- 3 days
Plastic-3 days
Glass- 4 days
Copper - 4 hours
Wood- 2 days
Paper- 1 day
Cloth- 2 days
Paper Money- 4 days

Since we do have a few pre-existing conditons, we opt for grocery pickup, and take more precautions than those with less risk.  When we return, a disinfection station is established.  Method includes:

(1) Pre-prep of a 10% bleach solution in a spray bottle, and a sizable cloth rag.
(2) Card Table set up near vehicle for grocery processing
(3) Wash hands, and sterilize all peripheral areas in vehicle, and card table with bleach solution
(4) Have ample supply of pre-Q'ed plastic bags for grocery processing ready.  Do not use/re-use cloth bags unless they have been washed.
(5) Disinfect all items being removed.  As a good rule of thumb, either a "one second" contact time, or a obvious liquied residual should be adequate.  Be careful not to cross contaminate, pre-prep areas and areas storing cleaned items.
(6) As a team, have spouse, child, whoever periodically pickup and put items in correct Fridge/Freezer/Pantry locations.  Keep clutter to a minimum.
(7) After completing all items, isolate bags, and other non-home items to garage Quarantine area for specifed time listed above.
(8) Disnfect all areas, knobs, switches, etc, of home and vehicle, after processing.
(9) All involved wash hand throughly.  And as another good rule of thumb, after washing, you know you've done a decent job if your hands smell like a swimming pool.   


 

[Bigun]

Coding that led to lockdown was 'totally unreliable' and a 'buggy mess', say experts

The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim

The Covid-19 modelling that sent Britain into lockdown, shutting the economy and leaving millions unemployed, has been slammed by a series of experts.

Professor Neil Ferguson's computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable” by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on".

The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.

“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.”...

Excerpted from: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/

[Bigun]

Only now, after unrepairable damage has been done around the world, do they bother to look at this!!!

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Coding that led to lockdown was 'totally unreliable' and a 'buggy mess', say experts

The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim

That'll leave a mark.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Bigun

I coded for years, and I kept my code tidy and well-commented for selfish reasons:  My own laziness.  I didn't want to have to answer stupid questions about my code, so I wrote it so a third party could just look at the source code to figure out what I was doing.  If a Scientist ever asked me about my code, I considered it a failure of my communication skills.  I never failed an ISO9000 audit.

[Bigun]

@Bigun

I coded for years, and I kept my code tidy and well-commented for selfish reasons:  My own laziness.  I didn't want to have to answer stupid questions about my code, so I wrote it so a third party could just look at the source code to figure out what I was doing.  If a Scientist ever asked me about my code, I considered it a failure of my communication skills.  I never failed an ISO9000 audit.

So why are they only now getting around to looking at this after the damage is done  @Cyber Liberty

[Cyber Liberty]

So why are they only now getting around to looking at this after the damage is done  @Cyber Liberty

Oh, that's easy!  They were getting the model results they wanted.  They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in.  I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too.  That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.

[Bigun]

Oh, that's easy!  They were getting the model results they wanted.  They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in.  I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too.  That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.

And you can add pollsters to that list as well.

[Cyber Liberty]

And you can add pollsters to that list as well.

Yes, you could capably classify their work product as "models," not different from the COVID-19 hand-waving and Climate Change atmospheric/rectal extrapolations.  Added by default, @Bigun!

[roamer_1]

Oh, that's easy!  They were getting the model results they wanted.  They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in.  I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too.  That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.

That's exactly right.

[LadyLiberty]

How about some good news?

There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19.  They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home.  In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells.  They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.

But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19.  They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018.  They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19.  We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.

Study:  https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3

Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: 

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200

[txradioguy]

Only now, after unrepairable damage has been done around the world, do they bother to look at this!!!

 

And after it’s allowed the unleashing of a metric sh*t ton of Scolds on those of us trying to push back against the infringements on our freedoms.

[Cyber Liberty]

And after it’s allowed the unleashing of a metric sh*t ton of Scolds on those of us trying to push back against the infringements on our freedoms.

It certainly produced a target rich environment of moles that need to be whacked.

[jmyrlefuller]

Background: the McClure family and the Fuller family have been friends for a while; I went to school with this guy's nieces. He was one of the first in my area to suffer from the virus, and he was near death at one point... but, miraculously, he survived. The local paper did a front-page human interest story on him today.

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html

Cameron's Miracle
by Kate Day Sager
May 16, 2020

Following his frantic drive to Olean General Hospital from his home in Little Valley in early April, Cameron McClure was so weak and out of breath when he walked into the emergency department that he collapsed inside the door.

McClure was one of the most severe COVID-19 cases the hospital has treated and he credits his survival to the medical staff — but more importantly, he says, to God.

McClure, 45, shared his story to let the community know of the skill and care provided by the nurses, doctors and other professionals at Olean General — and the church groups that prayed for him at their homes and even in the hospital parking lot.

(excerpt)

[libertybele]

Background: the McClure family and the Fuller family have been friends for a while; I went to school with this guy's nieces. He was one of the first in my area to suffer from the virus, and he was near death at one point... but, miraculously, he survived. The local paper did a front-page human interest story on him today.

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html

Cameron's Miracle
by Kate Day Sager
May 16, 2020

Following his frantic drive to Olean General Hospital from his home in Little Valley in early April, Cameron McClure was so weak and out of breath when he walked into the emergency department that he collapsed inside the door.

McClure was one of the most severe COVID-19 cases the hospital has treated and he credits his survival to the medical staff — but more importantly, he says, to God.

McClure, 45, shared his story to let the community know of the skill and care provided by the nurses, doctors and other professionals at Olean General — and the church groups that prayed for him at their homes and even in the hospital parking lot.

(excerpt)

Prayer is powerful!!!

[Cyber Liberty]

Inspirational, @jmyrlefuller!

[Bigun]

How about some good news?

There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19.  They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home.  In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells.  They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.

But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19.  They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018.  They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19.  We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.

Study:  https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3

Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: 

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200

That's a GREAT find @LadyLiberty! Thanks!

[Smokin Joe]

How about some good news?

There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19.  They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home.  In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells.  They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.

But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19.  They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018.  They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19.  We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.

Study:  https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3

Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: 

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200

Great find, Thanks!

[240B]

You have to wonder about all those people who stingily bought 2 tons of toilet paper and paper towels. Was just in a supermarket lately, plenty of TP and paper products. No shortage at all. Good luck trying to sell a truck load of TP now. The stuff is everywhere.

In hindsight, there never was a real shortage except the one created by shortsighted stupid people hording. Now they have to figure out how to eat it.

While they were all fixated on hording paper products, I was buying actual food. I can always figure out a way to wipe my butt, but I cannot make food out of nothing. People got caught up in the emotion of the moment and lost all their common sense. Now they are paying for it.

[musiclady]

From back in my early early days in the State Dept. of Health, (As inspector and Microbiologist), I've always been somewhat of a disinfection freak.  Don't get me wrong, I am not a germaphobe by any stretch, but there are things that I do and avoid for public health benefit.  I mean things like saving leftovers, to my aversion to eating food from personal kitchens I haven't seen....   

Here is my brief COVID-19 primer.....

Incoming items...   We have deemed a 100 or so square feet garage area for non-disnfection deliveries.  That area remains in quarantine, for a time specified from a list that I have found on various sites..

Cardboard- 1 day
Steel- 3 days
Plastic-3 days
Glass- 4 days
Copper - 4 hours
Wood- 2 days
Paper- 1 day
Cloth- 2 days
Paper Money- 4 days

Since we do have a few pre-existing conditons, we opt for grocery pickup, and take more precautions than those with less risk.  When we return, a disinfection station is established.  Method includes:

(1) Pre-prep of a 10% bleach solution in a spray bottle, and a sizable cloth rag.
(2) Card Table set up near vehicle for grocery processing
(3) Wash hands, and sterilize all peripheral areas in vehicle, and card table with bleach solution
(4) Have ample supply of pre-Q'ed plastic bags for grocery processing ready.  Do not use/re-use cloth bags unless they have been washed.
(5) Disinfect all items being removed.  As a good rule of thumb, either a "one second" contact time, or a obvious liquied residual should be adequate.  Be careful not to cross contaminate, pre-prep areas and areas storing cleaned items.
(6) As a team, have spouse, child, whoever periodically pickup and put items in correct Fridge/Freezer/Pantry locations.  Keep clutter to a minimum.
(7) After completing all items, isolate bags, and other non-home items to garage Quarantine area for specifed time listed above.
(8) Disnfect all areas, knobs, switches, etc, of home and vehicle, after processing.
(9) All involved wash hand throughly.  And as another good rule of thumb, after washing, you know you've done a decent job if your hands smell like a swimming pool.   

Thanks for that info @catfish1957 .  Very helpful!

[musiclady]

I'd like to share a conversation with a close friend of ours who is a physician...... an infectious disease specialist with decades of experience and expertise......

She became aware of COVID in professional journals back in January when it was basically publicly unknown.  She and her (physician) husband took it seriously and wore masks on an overseas flight even then.

When they came back, she helped our local hospital prepare for the pandemic by fitting every Dr., nurse and staff member with masks.  They also purchased extra PPE early on because she knew they would be needed.  She advised (and the administration listened), that they transform a nursing unit to a COVID floor, and a section of the ER specifically for COVID patients.  The Drs and nurses who worked there did not go to any other sections of the hospital and no other personnel other than those designated went to that floor. 

As a result, there have been no casualties among hospital staff.  There has been only 1 death in the hospital.

She said that the threat will remain and people should be careful probably until December.

Masks make a big difference and we should wear them.  Social distancing makes a difference. Cleansing makes a difference.  This is a highly contagious disease.

For the handful of skeptics here, this is a brilliant doctor with decades of experience who is also a close personal friend.  There are no political filters through which the information has come.  There is no political agenda.  There is no conspiracy.  The information isn't coming in a soundbite or meme.

Just facts from an extremely competent expert.

Some of you will dismiss it because it doesn't fit the agenda you have chosen to believe, but it is real information.

[Hoodat]

Masks make a big difference and we should wear them.  Social distancing makes a difference. Cleansing makes a difference.  This is a highly contagious disease.

For the handful of skeptics here, this is a brilliant doctor with decades of experience who is also a close personal friend.  There are no political filters through which the information has come.  There is no political agenda.  There is no conspiracy.  The information isn't coming in a soundbite or meme.

Just facts from an extremely competent expert.

Some of you will dismiss it because it doesn't fit the agenda you have chosen to believe, but it is real information.

Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.

[musiclady]

Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.

Perhaps on a smaller scale, but as things reopen, it’s clear that it can’t be business as usual in places like restaurants and bars and numerous other businesses.

I also don’t know how we could have prevented massive spreading if we hadn’t closed schools and suggested that churches would be better off not meeting in large groups for a while.

The problem is that no one knows with certainty what things would look like if we had done otherwise.......

Not that that fact will prevent people from pretending they do. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.

If masks help, then why are we releasing prisoners without them to "save them from COVID-19?"  Can't we just keep them in jail, with masks, and stop throwing non-criminals into jail for resisting?

[bigheadfred]

Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.

I agree.

I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.

Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.

So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree.

I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.

Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.

So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?

You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred.  It's the same reason you get to pay taxes.  You're a sap.  There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.

I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it.  

[libertybele]

I agree.

I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.

Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.

So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?

Anyone that goes back to work is no longer eligible to receive the extended unemployment and if your hours haven't been reduced you are not eligible for unemployment anymore.  Both are taxable.  The so-called stimulus checks that were sent out are not taxable.

[Smokin Joe]

I agree.

I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.

Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.

So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?

Well,  I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...

[libertybele]

You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred.  It's the same reason you get to pay taxes.  You're a sap.  There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.

I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it.

You cannot refuse to go back to your job (unless you have a child to care for while the schools are closed down) and the employers are supposed to notify unemployment of your return to work.

Also, I believe it was the beginning of this week, those collecting unemployment, now need to claim their weeks. 

Those still collecting unemployment and working; well, that is considered fraud.  It is my understanding that if one is caught that their eligibility for future unemployment becomes suspended for a period of time depending on how many times they've been caught.

[Cyber Liberty]

You cannot refuse to go back to your job (unless you have a child to care for while the schools are closed down) and the employers are supposed to notify unemployment of your return to work.

Also, I believe it was the beginning of this week, those collecting unemployment, now need to claim their weeks. 

Those still collecting unemployment and working; well, that is considered fraud.  It is my understanding that if one is caught that their eligibility for future unemployment becomes suspended for a period of time depending on how many times they've been caught.

In the case of the Maryland restaurant, I believe the dodge is they all have kids, and the State Warehouses for Kids (known euphemistically as "Schools") are all closed, possibly until 2021.

[libertybele]

Well,  I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...

No, you're not stupid.  You still have to pay taxes on that $600/week and the limit on that is 4 months.  Yes, it's a nice chunk of money, but I pity the people who are sitting back milking the government for all that they can and then realize that they have to pay taxes on that money.  What are they going to do when they finally get up off of their butts to look for work after that 4 months is up and realize that everybody before them scrambled to find jobs and there aren't any jobs to be found?  That money was meant to hold people over until their place of employment opened or until they were able to find another job.  Sadly so many look at it as free money.

[bigheadfred]

You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred.  It's the same reason you get to pay taxes.  You're a sap.  There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.

I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it.

Is this one of those Star Trek "The Wrath of Con" things?

[libertybele]

In the case of the Maryland restaurant, I believe the dodge is they all have kids, and the State Warehouses for Kids (known euphemistically as "Schools") are all closed, possibly until 2021.

I know of a gal who refused to go back to work claiming she had no one to watch her kids (she lives with her Mom and she watched them when she worked prior to COVID).  The bimbo posted a picture of herself out with friends on the beach, with no kids on Facebook.  The employer turned her butt in!

[Cyber Liberty]

I know of a gal who refused to go back to work claiming she had no one to watch her kids (she lives with her Mom and she watched them when she worked prior to COVID).  The bimbo posted a picture of herself out with friends on the beach, with no kids on Facebook.  The employer turned her butt in!

I just read of a fellow from California who went to Hawaii.  He didn't self quarantine and started posting pictures of himself all over Waikeke on instagram.  The cops looked at the metadata on the pictures, located him, knocked on his door and hauled him off to jail for 14 days.

[bigheadfred]

Well,  I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...

I know they shut you down. And I walked my wife through the hoops for unemployment. Which was useless because she went and got another job before they could register her claim.

My wife has a serious flaw. She is a heathcare worker. She doesn't care about her employment status. She cares about her job. The people she takes care of.

[musiclady]

If masks help, then why are we releasing prisoners without them to "save them from COVID-19?"  Can't we just keep them in jail, with masks, and stop throwing non-criminals into jail for resisting?

Two separate issues (maybe three) that shouldn't be conflated.  Releasing prisoners has nothing to do with whether or not masks help.

No offense to you personally, Cyber, but I've seen more illogical comparisons trying to diminish the truth about COVID in the past weeks than I've seen about anything in my life.  The FB memes going around are barely coherent, but they always get a "SEE!  I told you so" reaction from a few.

Irrational 'thought' has never been more prevalent.  (Again, not talking about you, but your non-comparison comparison brought it to mind).

[Cyber Liberty]

Two separate issues (maybe three) that shouldn't be conflated.  Releasing prisoners has nothing to do with whether or not masks help.

No offense to you personally, Cyber, but I've seen more illogical comparisons trying to diminish the truth about COVID in the past weeks than I've seen about anything in my life.  The FB memes going around are barely coherent, but they always get a "SEE!  I told you so" reaction from a few.

Irrational 'thought' has never been more prevalent.  (Again, not talking about you, but your non-comparison comparison brought it to mind).

Ya know I was just jiggling your handle, right?   

[musiclady]

Ya know I was just jiggling your handle, right?   

I hope so, cause I didn't really think you were that stupid. 



FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?

[Cyber Liberty]

I hope so, cause I didn't really think you were that stupid. 



FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?

Whole 'nother thread, that....I spend too much time over there.

[Cyber Liberty]

I know they shut you down. And I walked my wife through the hoops for unemployment. Which was useless because she went and got another job before they could register her claim.

My wife has a serious flaw. She is a heathcare worker. She doesn't care about her employment status. She cares about her job. The people she takes care of.

Scandalous.  Simply scandalous.

[txradioguy]

the truth about COVID

No one knows what the "truth" about the Wuhan Virus is because no one is being honest about it from any angle.  We have any accurate numbers on deaths, people infected, etc etc.

Are we supposed to tay confined until the curve is flattened or until there's a vaccine? Do we only open certain businesses slowly one at a time under a 17.5 point system?  Or do we open them all now?

Do we arrest the guy windsurfing all alone at the beach or deny the right to run your business because they dared to open and seat people on Mother's Day?

It's all based on faulty software and guesses and it's been used to unnecessarily scare the shit out of people to the point where they are accepting a forced confinement "for their safety.

So when you start taking about "truth" it's laughable because there is no "truth" to what's happening to us where this virus is concerned.

Oh and the masks are worthless...just like the quarantine of healthy people.

[bigheadfred]

damn...

just damn

[Cyber Liberty]

See these?



Guess what?  They aren't called "face masks."  They're called "spit masks."  Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses.  I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.

But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks.  A Talisman to ward off germs.  Howard Hughes would be in heaven.

The masks that help are N95 masks.  This is a N95 mask:

[jmyrlefuller]

FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?

Foreigners. Russians are a big source; quite a few come from the Middle East, too.