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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #400 on: April 01, 2020, 04:15:30 pm »
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.

Yep ... because of my health, I'm scared into bunkering in at home. Now that DeSantis has given a directive to limit ourselves to only essential travel definitely not going out.

One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog.  I think he can do with out.  We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #401 on: April 01, 2020, 04:19:12 pm »
And what percentage of the population over 45 has an underlying condition? 50%?
I have no idea.
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« Reply #402 on: April 01, 2020, 05:31:28 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #403 on: April 01, 2020, 06:03:10 pm »
I suspect they will keep the country shut down past the present projection of April 30.
Noncompliance is going to skyrocket if that happens. We're three weeks into the mandates and lockdowns. If we don't see substantial declines in new cases SOON, as in, in the next few days, this is all pointless. People agreed to this on the premise that this would be done with in a little over a month. Any further without visible progress is going to risk a major revolt.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #404 on: April 01, 2020, 06:05:23 pm »
Will big tobacco save the day?  This is going to make some anti-GMO heads explode:
Maybe. Right after Maryland had bought out tobacco farmers (to not grow tobacco, once used for money there), the medical folks were growing all sorts of twisted plants to get tailored proteins.

(Of course, one of the big thingys against the genus Nicotina was that it had absolutely no medicinal use, but, there they were...)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #405 on: April 01, 2020, 06:07:37 pm »
He sounds like those who originally called this ‘a flu bug’.
I recall comparisons to the flu, but I don't recall anyone here saying it was a flu variety.

I suppose it could have been compared to Cholera, typhus, or Ebola, but the comparison was made to another group of respiratory pathogens.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #406 on: April 01, 2020, 06:08:42 pm »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245389585330458626

Here I thought all the dying people were keeping people out of restaurants and theaters.  Turns out they just need a business deduction.
Actually, government is shutting down bars and restaurants. People likely would go anyway.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #407 on: April 01, 2020, 06:12:19 pm »
Yep ... because of my health, I'm scared into bunkering in at home. Now that DeSantis has given a directive to limit ourselves to only essential travel definitely not going out.

One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog.  I think he can do with out.  We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.
In your case, it seems downright prudent to avoid contact, at least until either a cure/treatment that won't adversely affect you or a vaccine is developed.
(My dog likes popcorn...will play catch for hours if you have enough. Entertainment as well as a little exercise. jus' sayin.)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #408 on: April 01, 2020, 06:23:54 pm »
Actually, government is shutting down bars and restaurants. People likely would go anyway.
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Fair point.  State Governors, like mine,  have decided to declare state emergencies because of the virus, and limited gatherings to 10 people.  I'll concede some people would go out otherwise, and some businesses would remain open.  My Governor will have to live with his decision.

https://www.wispolitics.com/2020/marquette-poll-evers-gets-high-marks-for-coronavirus-response-biden-leads-sanders-in-wisconsin/

Today’s release included a focus on the coronavirus pandemic, finding 76 percent of voters approve of how Evers has handled the situation, while just 17 percent disapproved.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #409 on: April 01, 2020, 07:00:27 pm »
I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #410 on: April 01, 2020, 07:09:50 pm »
And Fair Warning. I don't want to die with people thinking I am an azzhole. I want them to be 100% sure.
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« Reply #411 on: April 01, 2020, 07:16:46 pm »
And Fair Warning. I don't want to die with people thinking I am an azzhole. I want them to be 100% sure.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #412 on: April 01, 2020, 07:17:25 pm »
I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.

How are you breathing, @bigheadfred
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #413 on: April 01, 2020, 07:21:49 pm »
I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.
Just start building a nice wood pile with scrap lumber...

In the meantime, Out with the bad air, in with the good...
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #414 on: April 01, 2020, 07:27:27 pm »

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-npuhZyYI
Fox Business Live now
Another really encouraging conference for almost 2 hours.

My favorite part was when he was asked why the Federal Government wasn't imposing quarantines in states that were not enforcing quarantine, and President Trump said "We are here to help the States."  It blew my mind because it sounded almost Constitutional.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the United States of America.  Not a lot of people know that, but it's true.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #415 on: April 01, 2020, 07:35:43 pm »
How are you breathing, @bigheadfred?

Depends on my angle of repose. I got a generic behind the counter ephedrine.  If I take a tablet and lay down to sleep I do ok.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #416 on: April 01, 2020, 07:37:33 pm »
What I need is an 8 ball of good clean meth.
If you didn't watch today's press conference, I have some bad news.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #417 on: April 01, 2020, 07:46:43 pm »
@goatprairie

I remember the conversation about "Patient X" from last week, I think that was in the "Wet Markets" thread but I am going to post this here, "Patient X" maybe Huang Yin Lang (or something, I could not find a reference to this on a quick net search), the video below discusses it. 

This video should be called somewhat "speculative", the narrator says he lifted some of the Chinese information off of the internet. But just adding it in. I forget who the other member who was discussing this.


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The video is only around 10 minutes. It's a fair enough video.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #418 on: April 01, 2020, 07:47:13 pm »
Depends on my angle of repose. I got a generic behind the counter ephedrine.  If I take a tablet and lay down to sleep I do ok.

What I need is an 8 ball of good clean meth.

If you're interested, I have a simple recipe using Vicks nasal inhalers.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #419 on: April 01, 2020, 07:55:56 pm »
President Trump: "You remember when I first took over they had all of the caravans coming up with 10,000, 15,000 people in the caravans. They were marching through Mexico. That's not happening anymore."

Great job protecting those illegals from America Mr President. :patriot:

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« Reply #420 on: April 01, 2020, 08:10:32 pm »
If you're interested, I have a simple recipe using Vicks nasal inhalers.

I'm good. One 25 mg ephedrine is all my BP can handle.

Annnddd....I have my meth dealer...thats right, you guessed it...on speed dial...
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« Reply #421 on: April 01, 2020, 08:38:27 pm »

One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog.  I think he can do with out.  We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.

Oh Lord, but I would have a rebellion on my hands. I got into the habit of giving Chewy a milkbone morning and night.. In the morning, when he comes in from his first time out for the day, and in the night, when he comes in for the last time... The idea being that he knows it's coming (and he does), so he'll hurry up his business and not lollygag (and he does).

If he don't get his milkbones... I dunno what but it won't be good... chewed up shoes... poopin on my pillow... something. He can be very vindictive... and the thing about cow dogs... They'll think it through. it is deliberate.

Nope. I keep an extra case around.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #422 on: April 01, 2020, 08:41:45 pm »
Does anyone know what CRISPR is?? Of all things, I stumbled on this article. You know, one would need to be involved in this scientific field I believe.:
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Covid-19 is scary. Could a rogue scientist use CRISPR to conjure another pandemic?

By Neal Baer    March 26, 2020   

ncertainty breeds panic. As Covid-19 spreads across the planet, stock markets have crashed in response to the economic impact this virus will wreak on the global economy and cities around the world are shutting down.

We shouldn’t really be surprised by SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus. We’ve seen this scenario play out before with Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). In his book “Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic,” David Quammen warned us years ago about the dangers of animal viruses jumping into humans. It was only a matter of time, he wrote, that our destruction of forests and jungles would put us in contact with bats and other wild species that harbor viruses that had previously gone undetected.

Covid-19 is a powerful narrative. It has twists and turns, with exotic animals like horseshoe bats and scaly pangolins playing the antagonists as the source of the infection. Our fears are piqued by how much is still unknown — about the best we’re told we can do to protect ourselves is to stay away from people and wash our hands frequently, which seems, in this high-tech era, far too mundane for something that has essentially shut down the U.S. and other countries.

Read more at:  https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/could-rogue-scientist-use-crispr-create-pandemic/

We've heard about biological weapons but nothing in that has really occurred in recent decades in my view with biological weapons, nothing of significance that is.

A ways down, the article talks about what if some terror group developed something and then, yeah, the bad guys spoken of are white supremacists. Maybe that's just an example but it put me off the article some...

But that said,  there's a chance COVID-19 came out of a lab but I don't think that is likely but the next time around, you know, someone could develop something that might be frightful.

The article is largely beyond my pay-scale... or probably more correctly, I don't care to read and get it all down, of which they speak but it might be interesting to some.

One more note, if you research CRISPR   , a whole lot of stuff comes up. Some here probably have heard of it.

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« Reply #423 on: April 01, 2020, 08:48:51 pm »
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HA! speed dial... You crack me up Fred.

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« Reply #424 on: April 01, 2020, 08:54:33 pm »
In your case, it seems downright prudent to avoid contact, at least until either a cure/treatment that won't adversely affect you or a accine is developed.
(My dog likes popcorn...will play catch for hours if you have enough. Entertainment as well as a little exercise. jus' sayin.)

I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks.  I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions?  I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects.  I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year.  Rather depressing if I stop and think about it.  I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?

My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #425 on: April 01, 2020, 08:57:00 pm »
Oh Lord, but I would have a rebellion on my hands. I got into the habit of giving Chewy a milkbone morning and night.. In the morning, when he comes in from his first time out for the day, and in the night, when he comes in for the last time... The idea being that he knows it's coming (and he does), so he'll hurry up his business and not lollygag (and he does).

If he don't get his milkbones... I dunno what but it won't be good... chewed up shoes... poopin on my pillow... something. He can be very vindictive... and the thing about cow dogs... They'll think it through. it is deliberate.

Nope. I keep an extra case around.

 :rolling:

Geronimo just follows and whines until he gets his way ... and if we forget and go out in the yard or garage ... he retaliates by being a garbage dog...shredded paper means he's royally ticked!   

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« Reply #426 on: April 01, 2020, 09:04:01 pm »
I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks.  I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions?  I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects.  I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year.  Rather depressing if I stop and think about it.  I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?

My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!

This, too shall pass.

I've found that a couple of rounds of "Who's a good dawg?  WHO'S a GOOD Dawg?? Who???  YOU!!!!!  You're the GOOD DAWG!!!!"  ... can substitute for a Milk Bone treat.
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« Reply #427 on: April 01, 2020, 09:09:42 pm »
I think twitter is having another sewagefest... Democrat manipulation, I saw this and for the record, this "Carmine Sabela" appears to be a good guy, this is a useful graphic below:
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Carmine Sabia@CarmineSabia
As you tweet #TrumpOwnsEveryDeath, because you are abhorrent, read what your heroes were saying when President Donald Trump was taking action..




https://twitter.com/CarmineSabia/status/1245494736489676803

Democrats, Leftists, just trolling, they troll wherever, maybe our side does it too... I'm sure some.... I read something by Scott Walker, Rubio, often trolling remarks are left. I usually don't read comments and usually blow off topics like the above. Just sourcing.

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« Reply #428 on: April 01, 2020, 09:20:36 pm »
@TomSea

CRISPR is the main idea behind GMOs.

So the reason behind the hue and cry against GMOs. Take a gene from a fish and put it in a strawberry.

Frankenberry.

They did this ten years ago.
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« Reply #429 on: April 01, 2020, 09:57:13 pm »
I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks.  I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions?  I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects.  I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year.  Rather depressing if I stop and think about it.  I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?

My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!
Mine gets treats when he behaves especially well. No set time. It helps.

Plaquenil may not work for everyone, but here is the thing. If this can be shut down, through isolation, through people recovering (possible serum antibodies), or simply petering out (past contagion with no new hosts, the purpose of isolation), it'll be 99.99% safe to come out again.

Yes, the drug has a long list of side effects (as do many drugs), but they don't occur in everyone. As it has been used in areas where cultural factors may make the accumulation of good data sets problematical (think of malaria infested areas), there isn't any solid info on how often what side effects occur, but there is information on drug interactions which may preclude its use anyway for some individuals.

That said, it is a tool in the toolbox, and the more, the better chance of shutting down the virus with more survivors. Since this is global, I don't really anticipate letups in travel restrictions out of country (or in) for a while,  but if we can get rid of it here, or even regionally, maybe we can get the economy going again. There may be other drugs which will boost the zinc through the cell membrane to interdict the virus which are a mite easier on folks, too.
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« Reply #430 on: April 01, 2020, 10:03:18 pm »
I said this on the poll thread.

If this virus came from an animal in a wet market then show me "the" animal.

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« Reply #431 on: April 01, 2020, 10:03:19 pm »
I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks.  I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions?  I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects.  I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year.  Rather depressing if I stop and think about it.  I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?

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« Reply #432 on: April 01, 2020, 10:06:37 pm »
:rolling:

Geronimo just follows and whines until he gets his way ... and if we forget and go out in the yard or garage ... he retaliates by being a garbage dog...shredded paper means he's royally ticked!

He has a future in office disposal!  :seeya:

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« Reply #433 on: April 01, 2020, 10:30:46 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #434 on: April 01, 2020, 10:45:28 pm »
Read somewhere today that states like New York aren't differentiating between people who died because of the Chinese Virus and those that tested positive but died from other ailments.

THIS is why people rightfully don't trust the numbers and the comparisons to 9/11 and the panic inducing "potential for 200K deaths" that even Fox News is running with now.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #435 on: April 01, 2020, 10:56:30 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #436 on: April 01, 2020, 10:59:37 pm »
Read somewhere today that states like New York aren't differentiating between people who died because of the Chinese Virus and those that tested positive but died from other ailments.

THIS is why people rightfully don't trust the numbers and the comparisons to 9/11 and the panic inducing "potential for 200K deaths" that even Fox News is running with now.

I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up.   And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.

And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #437 on: April 01, 2020, 11:04:36 pm »
He has a future in office disposal!  :seeya:

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #438 on: April 01, 2020, 11:08:42 pm »
I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up.   And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.

No they are doing what Italy did and amping all deaths into the "died from Chinese Virus" category whether it was a heart attack or COPD or whatever that killed them.

Let's say you have the virus..you're asymptomatic and yet you get hit by a bus crossing the street.  Should your death be lumped into the "death by coronavirus" stats for that day/month/year?

That is what's happening in NY right now.

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And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....

No it's not.  You seriously need to quit buying into the media/Progressive panic hype being spread these days.

How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?

Will you come back and admit you bought into the hype?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #439 on: April 01, 2020, 11:12:51 pm »
I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up.   And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.

And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....

Indeed.  My husband went to the doctors yesterday and the doctor told him to stay home and don't risk going out.  My appointment was cancelled  until next month and I have a phone appointment next week.  My other doctor's office has been closed for the past two weeks -- not even a phone call returned. So...things are very serious.  Obviously hospitals, doctors and nurses are gearing up for this surge. It is frightening.  God forbid if anyone needs care -- that care just isn't available as you don't chance going out and many doctors aren't seeing their patients.   We don't know in this area how many are truly infected -- results are taking over 2 weeks.  So I suspect that the number of cases in FL are much higher.

Stay put and stay safe everyone.  Prayers up for all Briefers and their families, our President and this country in general.  God help us!

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #440 on: April 01, 2020, 11:16:29 pm »
No they are doing what Italy did and amping all deaths into the "died from Chinese Virus" category whether it was a heart attack or COPD or whatever that killed them.

Let's say you have the virus..you're asymptomatic and yet you get hit by a bus crossing the street.  Should your death be lumped into the "death by coronavirus" stats for that day/month/year?

That is what's happening in NY right now.

No it's not.  You seriously need to quit buying into the media/Progressive panic hype being spread these days.

How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?

Will you come back and admit you bought into the hype?

How is that comparing apples to apples?

Nothing was done prevent H1N1 from spreading.

A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.

If nothing was done to slow/prevent this from spreading you have a valid comparison.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #441 on: April 01, 2020, 11:26:32 pm »
A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.


Not really. quasi-quarantine is not really quarantine. As can readily be shown in the city centers where this thing is exploding. At the personal level it may help - if housebound with adequate supply, you are basically not exposed. But that is not true in the aggregate. All of this is basically useless.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #442 on: April 01, 2020, 11:27:54 pm »
How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?

Very silly, but I will be in good company with the President, VP, the experts, Congress, the Governors, and the media.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #443 on: April 01, 2020, 11:30:49 pm »
How is that comparing apples to apples?

Nothing was done prevent H1N1 from spreading.

A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.

If nothing was done to slow/prevent this from spreading you have a valid comparison.

There were actions taken once big ears got off his fat ass to mobilize people...four months too late.

H1N was the last pandemic to hit the U.S. The comparison I’m making between the two that makes it an apples to apples comparison is twofold. 1) the number of people infected and number of actual deaths in the U.S. and how the country reacted.

We haven’t had close to the amount of deaths from this compared to what happened 11 years ago.

And 11 years ago we didn’t shut the entire nation down for a worse disease outbreak than what we are seeing now.   We as a county have willing gone like lamb at the slaughter as the federal government slowly isolates is from each other and the rest of the world and despotic Liberal state governments gleefully infringe on civil liberties and freedoms.


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #444 on: April 01, 2020, 11:32:20 pm »
Very silly, but I will be in good company with the President, VP, the experts, Congress, the Governors, and the media.

Trump is going along with the hype because it gives him cover.  He's applying the Rahm Emanuel theory of "never letting a crisis go to waste" in regards to the Chinese Corona Virus.  It gives him and the Republicans cover to spend like Reagan's proverbial "Drunken Sailors". 
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #445 on: April 01, 2020, 11:32:59 pm »
Not really. quasi-quarantine is not really quarantine. As can readily be shown in the city centers where this thing is exploding. At the personal level it may help - if housebound with adequate supply, you are basically not exposed. But that is not true in the aggregate. All of this is basically useless.

Bingo!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #446 on: April 01, 2020, 11:37:09 pm »
Trump is going along with the hype because it gives him cover.  He's applying the Rahm Emanuel theory of "never letting a crisis go to waste" in regards to the Chinese Corona Virus.  It gives him and the Republicans cover to spend like Reagan's proverbial "Drunken Sailors".
He hasn't needed cover for the last 3.5 years.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #447 on: April 01, 2020, 11:38:35 pm »
He hasn't needed cover for the last 3.5 years.

The way he’s run up debt and deficit prior to this will look fiscally responsible by the time Republicans get done with all their “stimulus” bills.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #448 on: April 01, 2020, 11:43:35 pm »
The way he’s run up debt and deficit prior to this will look fiscally responsible by the time Republicans get done with all their “stimulus” bills.
Not to me.  Spending during an emergency seems responsible to me. 

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« Reply #449 on: April 01, 2020, 11:45:21 pm »
Not to me.  Spending during an emergency seems responsible to me.

The spending is unnecessary.
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