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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #350 on: March 30, 2020, 07:29:23 pm »
This needs to go viral.  CBS? Figured they would have learned their lesson after the Dan Rather fiasco.

I got it forwarded to about 25 of my good contacts.  I challenge everyone else to do the same.

Want to make this tweet/CBS video a separate thread @Cyber Liberty ??

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« Reply #351 on: March 30, 2020, 07:47:28 pm »
Unlike lonely Congressman Massie, I'll second that.  Your both good people and usually very thoughtful posters.
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« Reply #352 on: March 30, 2020, 07:56:43 pm »
Cyber wrote:
"Meanwhile, in related news, the Stock Market did not respond in the manner I expected.  I expected a thousand-point drop in the Blue Chips this morning because of this announcement, but it is, in fact, up over 400."

My guess is that the market rose today because of the FDA's endorsement of the anti-malaria drug for doctors to use as they determine necessary.

The exploding numbers of infected (in NYC and elsewhere) will probably push the market back down as the week progresses.

I don't think so.  The FDA announcement was well after the Market opened for trading this morning, and it started on the upswing.
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« Reply #353 on: March 30, 2020, 08:17:38 pm »
Dr. Fauci says he thinks April will be long enough to stunt coronavirus spread but that there will be 'mini outbreaks' in small cities across America that are 'percolating' now
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html
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« Reply #354 on: March 30, 2020, 09:23:48 pm »

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244713476624269312

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A photo of the long line of cars outside the Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank (see video above)
These are your neighbors, folks
No one warned them that this would happen. They’ve lost their jobs & can’t get new ones because everything is closed



The picture doesn't do justice.  Video here

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244691876956889096
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« Reply #355 on: March 30, 2020, 09:33:42 pm »
I am minimizing neither the people, the pandemic, nor the tragedy.

And it turns out you're right... I wonder how that happened?

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« Reply #356 on: March 30, 2020, 09:36:42 pm »

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244713476624269312

Yashar Ali @yashar

A photo of the long line of cars outside the Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank (see video above)
These are your neighbors, folks
No one warned them that this would happen. They’ve lost their jobs & can’t get new ones because everything is closed



The picture doesn't do justice.  Video here

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244691876956889096

This is a very sad reality. Where's FEMA?  Weren't they called in to help?  Yes food banks should be open, but FEMA should also be setting up different sites to alleviate some of the crowds.

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« Reply #357 on: March 30, 2020, 09:38:20 pm »
    I wonder if the porta pottie in the picture has any toilet paper in it?   
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« Reply #358 on: March 30, 2020, 09:41:46 pm »
And it turns out you're right... I wonder how that happened?
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« Reply #360 on: March 30, 2020, 10:39:12 pm »
Bannon is a real hawk on this matter, the first story shows what he said about 8 days ago but the next story is more recent, he basically predicted Trump would extend the shutdown, which did happen. And all of that, sounds like what Bannon has said before, he still talks to the President regularly:

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Steve Bannon: We Need A "Full Shutdown" Right Now; "Go Full Hammer On The Virus"
Posted By Tim Hains  On Date March 22, 2020

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon joined Maria Bartiromo on Fox News Channel's "Sunday Morning Futures" to talk about what the federal government can do about the coronavirus pandemic.

"If you look at the situation we are in, you have to put in three buckets," Bannon said. "The pandemic, the economic crisis caused by the pandemic, both the short-term and the deeper things on the supply chain, and then the financial crisis that is now on top of every financial market across every asset class in the world."

"I don't think we have months to do this. I think what should happen, and my recommendation would be to drop the hammer, don’t mitigate the virus, don't spread the curve, shatter the curve," Bannon stated. "And go full hammer on the virus right now with a full shutdown, use the stimulus to bridge the economic crisis — it may take 2 trillion, it may take 3 trillion to force cash into the little entrepreneur and the little guy."



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Read more at:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/22/steve_bannon_we_need_a_full_shutdown_right_now_go_full_hammer_on_the_virus.html

The last I knew, I think on Newsmax or on OAN,  there's a show called "Steve Bannon's war room" or something, I will have to see and record these shows.

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Steve Bannon predicts Trump will opt for 'harder lockdown' to fight coronavirus
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Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon predicted President Trump will implement more restrictive measures to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Bannon, the former executive chairman of Breitbart News, reasoned that a "harder" shutdown will institute a faster revival of the economy, even as the president has voiced support for paring back many restrictions across the country.

Still, Bannon said he believes there will be a "big shift" this weekend after the president sees more data.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-predicts-trump-will-opt-for-harder-lockdown-to-fight-coronavirus/ar-BB11SuzO


It's like Bannon said @Once-Ler , now is the time to drop the hammer down.

In fact, Bannon's show is going to come on in about 15 minutes, 10 PM CST on Newsmax, channel 349 on Direct TV, 'Warroom: Pandemic" with Steven Bannon.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #361 on: March 30, 2020, 10:52:25 pm »
Dr. Fauci says he thinks April will be long enough to stunt coronavirus spread but that there will be 'mini outbreaks' in small cities across America that are 'percolating' now
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html

Not too comforting for us small city folks, but it makes sense.

Only 5 cases in our county so far, and no deaths.

Since this is a complete unknown and behaving differently than any virus in the past, I suppose that even the most educated people can't really know what's coming in the future.
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« Reply #362 on: March 30, 2020, 11:00:40 pm »
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« Reply #363 on: March 30, 2020, 11:13:44 pm »
Bannon is a real hawk on this matter, the first story shows what he said about 8 days ago but the next story is more recent, he basically predicted Trump would extend the shutdown, which did happen. And all of that, sounds like what Bannon has said before, he still talks to the President regularly:

The last I knew, I think on Newsmax or on OAN,  there's a show called "Steve Bannon's war room" or something, I will have to see and record these shows.


It's like Bannon said @Once-Ler , now is the time to drop the hammer down.

In fact, Bannon's show is going to come on in about 15 minutes, 10 PM CST on Newsmax, channel 349 on Direct TV, 'Warroom: Pandemic" with Steven Bannon.

@TomSea thanks for the ping.  I can't say I like Steve Bannon, but I can say I think he is a very smart fellow.  Sadly I don't have cable but perhaps some one will post it to Youtube.  I see yesterdays shows is already there, just chopped up into 45 - 1 minute or shorter videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChhAh-fc15yfxCdt7C_MbBw/videos

I'm watching them now and pleasantly surprised there isn't an ad between each one. in fact no ads for the first 10 videos.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #364 on: March 30, 2020, 11:59:24 pm »
"Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

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« Reply #365 on: March 31, 2020, 12:42:52 am »
Good article on the Wuhan market above, here is a news alert I received a while ago, quite tragic.

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The superintendent of the Holyoke Soldiers’ Home was removed from his duties Monday after the recent deaths of 11 veterans at the home — including five who tested positive for the novel coronavirus and another five whose test results are forthcoming, according to state officials.

In addition to the 11 recent deaths, another 11 surviving residents of the Soldiers’ Home have tested positive for COVID-19, as have five staff members, according to the state Department of Veterans Services. Another 25 veterans living at the home are awaiting results.
 
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« Reply #366 on: March 31, 2020, 01:34:13 am »

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« Reply #367 on: March 31, 2020, 06:09:37 am »
The New York Times noted a thermometer company was tracking fevers and that it has noted rates of fever are now way down. Their data appears to be substantially further ahead of the official government figures because fever is usually the first symptom and it is reported automatically.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-restrictions-fevers.html

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« Reply #368 on: March 31, 2020, 10:05:06 am »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #369 on: March 31, 2020, 12:31:26 pm »
Not too comforting for us small city folks, but it makes sense.

Only 5 cases in our county so far, and no deaths.

Since this is a complete unknown and behaving differently than any virus in the past, I suppose that even the most educated people can't really know what's coming in the future.
Our county is up to 11 now with no deaths so far.

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« Reply #370 on: March 31, 2020, 12:33:05 pm »
OSU Wexner Medical Center Director of Radiology Dies of Covid-19


Another front line health defender dies
How sad....may God comfort the family....

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« Reply #371 on: March 31, 2020, 12:36:37 pm »
Sound of Music - Covid Tutorial

Anybody need a break for some humor?  VERY well done!
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« Reply #372 on: March 31, 2020, 12:37:15 pm »
How sad....may God comfort the family....

Yes.  She fell working to keep the rest of us safe. 
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #373 on: March 31, 2020, 12:44:34 pm »
Sound of Music - Covid Tutorial

Anybody need a break for some humor?  VERY well done!
Good stuff @musiclady .  My wife and children really loves musicals, but I have never liked them.  In a marriage, and family, we make many compromises so I have seen The Sound of Music more times than my favorite movie The Matrix.  My family will love this. I thought it was worth some laughs too.

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« Reply #374 on: March 31, 2020, 01:02:30 pm »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245000074167541761

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With interest rates for the United States being at ZERO, this is the time to do our decades long awaited Infrastructure Bill. It should be VERY BIG & BOLD, Two Trillion Dollars, and be focused solely on jobs and rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our Country! Phase 4
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Phase 4 coming tonight. Mo money Mo Money Mo Money!!!

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« Reply #375 on: March 31, 2020, 01:02:31 pm »
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That's a pretty big development if nobody posted this yet.

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« Reply #376 on: March 31, 2020, 01:33:00 pm »
I saw this article last week, I don't know if anyone posted it... but there's an article stating perhaps it influenced Trump's thinking on this. The New Yorker, not really an unbiased source but this is interesting nonetheless:


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The Contrarian Coronavirus Theory That Informed the Trump Administration
The New Yorker · by Isaac Chotiner · March 30, 2020

 President Trump, who at one point called the  coronavirus pandemic an "invisible enemy" and said it made him a "wartime President," has in recent days questioned its seriousness, tweeting, "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF." Trump said repeatedly that he wanted the country to reopen by Easter, April 12th, contradicting the advice of most health officials. (On Sunday, he backed down and extended federal social-distancing guidelines for at least another month.) According to the Washington  Post, "Conservatives close to Trump and numerous administration officials have been circulating an article by Richard A. Epstein of the Hoover Institution, titled 'Coronavirus Perspective,' which plays down the extent of the spread and the threat."

Epstein, a professor at New York University School of Law, published the article on the Web site of the Hoover Institution, on March 16th. In it, he questioned the World Health Organization's decision to declare the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic, said that "public officials have gone overboard," and suggested that about five hundred people would die from  COVID-19 in the U.S. Epstein later updated his estimate to five thousand, saying that the previous number had been an error. So far, there have been more than  two thousand coronavirus-related fatalities in America; epidemiologists' projections of the total deaths range widely, depending on the success of social distancing and the availability of medical resources, but they tend to be much higher than Epstein's. (On Sunday, Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,  estimated that there could be between a hundred thousand and two hundred thousand deaths in the U.S.) In a follow-up article, published on March 23rd and titled "Coronavirus Overreaction," Epstein wrote, "Progressives think they can run everyone's lives through central planning, but the state of the economy suggests otherwise. Looking at the costs, the public commands have led to a crash in the stock market, and may only save a small fraction of the lives that are at risk."

Epstein has long been one of the most cited legal scholars in the country, and is known for his libertarian-minded reading of the Constitution, which envisions a restrained federal government that respects private property. He has also been known to engage with controversial subjects; last fall, he published an article on the Hoover Institution Web site that argued, "The professional skeptics are right: there is today no compelling evidence of an impending climate emergency." Last Wednesday, I spoke by phone with Epstein about his views of the coronavirus pandemic. He was initially wary of talking, and asked to record his own version of the call, which I agreed to. During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, Epstein made a number of comments about viruses that have been strongly disputed by medical professionals. We have included factual corrections alongside those statements.

Read more at: https://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Contrarian-Coronavirus-Theory-That-Informed-the-Trump-Administration.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=zj7onaO5ojA

The Hoover Institute piece, I'll just link it because now the piece is from over 2 weeks ago, March 16th.
https://www.hoover.org/research/coronavirus-isnt-pandemic 

And here is this:

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Law Prof’s Optimistic COVID-19 Death Toll Prediction Circulated Through the White House. It’s Already Wrong.
by Colin Kalmbacher | 1:05 pm, March 24th, 2020
https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/law-profs-optimistic-covid-19-death-toll-prediction-circulated-through-the-white-house-its-already-wrong/

Just posting, this last website looks liberal actually.






 


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« Reply #378 on: March 31, 2020, 02:07:13 pm »
Good stuff @musiclady .  My wife and children really loves musicals, but I have never liked them.  In a marriage, and family, we make many compromises so I have seen The Sound of Music more times than my favorite movie The Matrix.  My family will love this. I thought it was worth some laughs too.

@Once-Ler   I've been a super fan since I was in my early teens, so I thought this was hilarious.

Hope your family gets a laugh.  We all NEED it these days!
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« Reply #379 on: March 31, 2020, 02:11:47 pm »
That's a pretty big development if nobody posted this yet.
I didn't see it.  I hope those flying are really essential.

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« Reply #380 on: March 31, 2020, 02:45:19 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #381 on: March 31, 2020, 02:51:05 pm »
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/03/31/theodore-roosevelt-captain-makes-urgent-plea-for-individual-quarantine-sites-as-covid-19-cases-multiply/

Theodore Roosevelt captain makes urgent plea for individual quarantine sites as COVID-19 cases multiply

 The commanding officer of aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is urging the Navy to step up its response to COVID-19 and secure individualized isolation for the ship’s crew as COVID-19 cases aboard the ship continue to multiply, according to a new report.

While most of the Roosevelt crew remains in cramped quarters aboard the carrier, a small percentage of sailors are starting to move into group quarantine sites on shore in Guam to limit the spread of the virus — and only one of these sites is in compliance with NAVADMIN guidance.

As a result, current efforts to combat COVID-19 are inadequate, according to the Roosevelt’s commanding officer Capt. Brett Crozier.

Crozier argued that the group quarantine sites would merely delay the spread of COVID-19 in a letter to Navy officials on Monday, obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. Likewise, he noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Navy and Marine Corps Public Health Center advise against group quarantine, and instead suggest individual quarantine.

“Sailors do not need to die,” Crozier wrote in the letter. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.”

Crozier said the situation would be different in a time of conflict, because “in combat we are willing to take certain risks that are not acceptable in peacetime.”

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« Reply #382 on: March 31, 2020, 03:21:28 pm »
Changed it up a bit today.  Global figures that included North America and China was heavily influenced by other categories.   So US is its own category and has been separated along with China from global numbers.


03-31-2020 | 18:06 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  2.623 ↑  6.585 ↓
United States  2.883 ↑ 22.129 ↓
China 23.011 ↑  1.072 ↓


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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« Reply #383 on: March 31, 2020, 03:26:48 pm »
https://www.grandforksherald.com/lifestyle/health/5021975-Rural-county-on-Minnesotas-southern-border-a-coronavirus-hot-spot

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Rural county on Minnesota's southern border a coronavirus 'hot spot'
"If I knew why, believe me, I would be beating the drum a lot louder," says Martin County sheriff

FAIRMONT, Minn. — Martin County on the state's southern border has more than its share of coronavirus cases.

At just 20,000 residents, the agricultural region has 24 confirmed cases of the virus and two deaths, according to Martin County Sheriff Jeffrey Markquart. (The Minnesota Department of Health website posts 23 cases.)

That's more than the 22 cases in Anoka County, which, at 350,000 residents, is 17 times more populated.

It's twice the dozen cases in 10-times-more-populated St. Louis County, home of Duluth.

It dwarfs the single cases in neighboring Jackson, Faribault and Watonwan counties.

Why?
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Pressed for a theory, Langer pointed to early skepticism within a certain cable news outlet.

"My personal opinion is there are some folks listening to some media outlets that were not taking this seriously. That can be a factor too. It's hard to prove that. I don't want to get political. But there were outlets saying it's a hoax, it's no worse than a cold, and those are things people listen to. Our advice has been to look to credible sources of information like the Minnesota Department of Health and the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). "

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #384 on: March 31, 2020, 07:18:30 pm »

@corbe

https://facebook.com/raven.roberts.73932/videos/778380449647637/?t=220

Never mind, you got it already. (Next time I probably won't scroll down to the end of the thread, either...)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #385 on: March 31, 2020, 07:28:49 pm »
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But there were outlets saying it's a hoax, it's no worse than a cold, and those are things people listen to.

If this is the case, people in broadcasting saying these things should be held accountable.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #386 on: March 31, 2020, 10:23:50 pm »
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Captain begs help as Coronavirus grips USS Roosevelt - Washington Times

This is awful!
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #387 on: March 31, 2020, 11:05:21 pm »
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On Sunday, Gov. Greg Abbott announced the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center in Downtown Dallas will become the first overflow hospital site in Texas.

"Our job is to make sure that we are looking one, two, three, four weeks ahead," Abbott said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-mayor-wants-daily-reports-of-hospital-capacity-numbers-to-track-coronavirus-needs/ar-BB11YDA3

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Just for the record, I didn't see the press conference today but I did hear "scarves" were mentioned, so if one doesn't have a mass, maybe for an emergency situation, one might try that.

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FACT CHECK: Should People Cover Their Faces With Scarves Like Trump Said?
March 31, 2020   Barbara Sprunt

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824911705/fact-check-should-people-cover-their-faces-with-scarves-like-trump-said

And my interpretation of the article indeed is, yes, they can help.

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Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb has argued that the public should cover their faces during social distancing as an "additional layer of protection for those who have to go out."

"[Wearing masks] protects other people from getting sick from you," Gottlieb said.

This seems to chime in on this as well:

https://news.yahoo.com/bandanas-scarves-no-masks-available-us-health-authorities-171634174.html

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #388 on: April 01, 2020, 02:19:33 am »
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Rural county on Minnesota's southern border a coronavirus 'hot spot'
"If I knew why, believe me, I would be beating the drum a lot louder," says Martin County sheriff

FAIRMONT, Minn. — Martin County on the state's southern border has more than its share of coronavirus cases.

At just 20,000 residents, the agricultural region has 24 confirmed cases of the virus and two deaths, according to Martin County Sheriff Jeffrey Markquart. (The Minnesota Department of Health website posts 23 cases.)

That's more than the 22 cases in Anoka County, which, at 350,000 residents, is 17 times more populated.

It's twice the dozen cases in 10-times-more-populated St. Louis County, home of Duluth.

It dwarfs the single cases in neighboring Jackson, Faribault and Watonwan counties.

Why?

Most of the CDC is working from home right now, basically shutdown.  Now normally, once an infection has gone to a community spread stage, they abandon contact tracing.  However, in communities where the numbers are small and perhaps can be affected with contact tracing, perhaps they should concentrate their resources on small communities in the hope of staving off a larger scale infection versus sitting at home.

Does this make sense to you guys?  Why didn't the high and mighty at CDC think of this?  I tell you, this is a concerted effort to destroy this president with this outbreak.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #389 on: April 01, 2020, 04:46:55 am »
Most of the CDC is working from home right now, basically shutdown.  Now normally, once an infection has gone to a community spread stage, they abandon contact tracing.  However, in communities where the numbers are small and perhaps can be affected with contact tracing, perhaps they should concentrate their resources on small communities in the hope of staving off a larger scale infection versus sitting at home.

Does this make sense to you guys?  Why didn't the high and mighty at CDC think of this?  I tell you, this is a concerted effort to destroy this president with this outbreak.
I see a concerted effort by my President, my Vice President, the CDC and scientists, Congress, and Governors to save lives.  Not a conspiracy, just a failure to anticipate the future.  President Trump is fighting a war against the invisible enemy, and his detractors are fighting the same war against other Americans they were fighting before the virus...because they're so good at it.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #390 on: April 01, 2020, 04:58:19 am »
Yesterday's Presidential conference was the best one yet.  Not because of the terrible figures and stats, but because the President, Vice President, Fauci, and Bix spoke with one reassuring voice for over 2 hours.  I very much appreciate the President expressing his condolences to the families of the dead, in a personal manner and without finger pointing.  He has his priorities straight, I can see the pain on his face, and the terrible cognizance that he can't fix this on his own.  He is the President we need now.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #391 on: April 01, 2020, 07:31:23 am »
Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #392 on: April 01, 2020, 07:33:50 am »
Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp

Fauci has a phD in Economics too?  I'm impressed.  /s
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #393 on: April 01, 2020, 12:51:03 pm »
Will big tobacco save the day?  This is going to make some anti-GMO heads explode:

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April 1, 2020, 5:21 a.m. ET

(Reuters) - British American Tobacco, the maker of Dunhill and Lucky Strike cigarettes, said on Wednesday its U.S. biotech unit was working on a potential vaccine for COVID-19 using proteins extracted from tobacco leaves.

Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), the unit developing the vaccine, could produce between 1 million and 3 million doses per week starting in June, the company said, with support from government agencies and the right manufacturers.

British American Tobacco said KBP, a division of BAT's U.S. unit Reynolds American Inc, would develop the vaccine on a not-for-profit basis.

The vaccine, currently undergoing pre-clinical testing, uses a cloned portion of COVID-19's genetic sequence to create an antigen that is then inserted into tobacco plants for reproduction.

More:  https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/01/world/europe/01reuters-britishamericantobacco-vaccine.html

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #394 on: April 01, 2020, 12:54:31 pm »
Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp

He sounds like those who originally called this ‘a flu bug’.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #395 on: April 01, 2020, 01:59:27 pm »
Just a pic.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #396 on: April 01, 2020, 02:51:14 pm »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245389585330458626

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Congress must pass the old, and very strongly proven, deductibility by businesses on restaurants and entertainment. This will bring restaurants, and everything related, back - and stronger than ever. Move quickly, they will all be saved!
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Here I thought all the dying people were keeping people out of restaurants and theaters.  Turns out they just need a business deduction.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #397 on: April 01, 2020, 03:02:22 pm »
The estimate by Epstein above needs at least one more zero.  His 5,000 estimate will be met in a couple days.  The number of deaths is increasing daily in the USA.  We have not reached the peak as yet.

I suspect they will keep the country shut down past the present projection of April 30.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #398 on: April 01, 2020, 03:44:34 pm »
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #399 on: April 01, 2020, 04:13:02 pm »
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.

And what percentage of the population over 45 has an underlying condition? 50%?