Author Topic: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion (Read 121685 times)

Neverdul · « **Reply #3150 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:41:53 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 23, 2020, 06:26:30 pm

Daniel Horowitz
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I'm a governor. Isn't it horrendous 35k die a year of car accidents? I declare a complete suspension of car traffic. If we can save just one life. #Orwell #ChinaVirus

But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isnâ€™t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.

Stupid comparison.

txradioguy · « **Reply #3151 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:48:33 pm »

Quote from: Neverdul on March 23, 2020, 06:41:53 pm

But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isnâ€™t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.

Stupid comparison.

Not stupid at all.

He's highlighting how the same reasoning for shutting down the entire country over what it in reality a handful of deaths from Chinese Corona Virus could be applied to other forms of what anyone could turn into a crisis with the same reasoning being used now.

Car accidents obesity gun deaths...the list goes on.

Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".

DB · « **Reply #3152 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:51:31 pm »

Quote from: Neverdul on March 23, 2020, 06:41:53 pm

But when a first responder goes to the scene of a car accident, he or she isnâ€™t in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure, the doctors and nurses who treat the victims of car accidents are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure. Patients in the hospital for other reasons are not in danger of getting into (contracting) a car accident due to exposure.

Stupid comparison.

It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.

skeeter · « **Reply #3153 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:56:44 pm »

Quote from: DB on March 23, 2020, 06:51:31 pm

It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.

Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #3154 on:** March 23, 2020, 06:57:05 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 23, 2020, 06:48:33 pm

Not stupid at all.

He's highlighting how the same reasoning for shutting down the entire country over what it in reality a handful of deaths from Chinese Corona Virus could be applied to other forms of what anyone could turn into a crisis with the same reasoning being used now.

Car accidents obesity gun deaths...the list goes on.

Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".

We must never forget: Never let a crisis go to waste. I'm Mr. Broken Record today.

Neverdul · « **Reply #3155 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:04:11 pm »

Quote from: DB on March 23, 2020, 06:51:31 pm

It appears most people do okay when infected with this but some people do very badly regardless of age or health. It is the not knowing which outcome will happen to you that drives the larger problem. There are now lots of stories about young healthy people being put into ICU or worse by this.

The thing is, is because this is a novel virus, no one has any immunity. Even if one doesnâ€™t become severely or deadly ill, they can still be too sick to work for a week or more. Now if a significant number of those too sick to work or having to quarantine are first responders and doctors and nurses, that is a serious problem.

The other key point, specifically when it comes to comparing COVID-19 to influenza is that most if not all healthcare workers get influenza vaccinations and while not perfect, afford some measure of protection in addition to those who have immunity from prior exposure to similar influenza strains. We also have proven treatments for influenza. We do not yet have a COVID-19 vaccination.

And while some like to compare the deaths and serious illnesses (so far) from COVID-19 to other causes of death, remember this is on top of those.

DB · « **Reply #3156 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:18:36 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 06:56:44 pm

Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.

I don't know what to tell you. There news report that I read today that something like 40% of the people in ICU in New York are less than 44 or something not too far from that (I don't remember exactly).

DB · « **Reply #3157 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:19:47 pm »

Quote from: Neverdul on March 23, 2020, 07:04:11 pm

The thing is, is because this is a novel virus, no one has any immunity. Even if one doesnâ€™t become severely or deadly ill, they can still be too sick to work for a week or more. Now if a significant number of those too sick to work or having to quarantine are first responders and doctors and nurses, that is a serious problem.

The other key point, specifically when it comes to comparing COVID-19 to influenza is that most if not all healthcare workers get influenza vaccinations and while not perfect, afford some measure of protection in addition to those who have immunity from prior exposure to similar influenza strains. We also have proven treatments for influenza. We do not yet have a COVID-19 vaccination.

And while some like to compare the deaths and serious illnesses (so far) from COVID-19 to other causes of death, remember this is on top of those.

Just to be clear, I wasn't arguing against your point at all. Same goes to police departments etc.

txradioguy · « **Reply #3158 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:19:59 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 23, 2020, 06:57:05 pm

We must never forget: Never let a crisis go to waste. I'm Mr. Broken Record today.

I know the feeling.

DB · « **Reply #3159 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:22:30 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 06:56:44 pm

Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.

Okay, I found one story. I didn't get it quite right.

"Nearly one-third of confirmed cases in the U.S., and 20% of those hospitalized, were between the ages 20 and 44, according to CDC data released last week."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/

txradioguy · « **Reply #3160 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:26:32 pm »

Kevin McCarthy was on Mark Levin's show saying one of the nasty tricks Pelosi is trying to pull in her new bill is a reduction in the ICE budget.

Bigun · « **Reply #3161 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:29:24 pm »

Phill Graham once prophesied that we would wind up hunting Democrats with dogs. He may yet be proven right.

corbe · « **Reply #3162 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:30:17 pm »

Trump is kicking Ass in this Briefing.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #3163 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:49:02 pm »

Quote from: DB on March 23, 2020, 07:22:30 pm

Okay, I found one story. I didn't get it quite right.

"Nearly one-third of confirmed cases in the U.S., and 20% of those hospitalized, were between the ages 20 and 44, according to CDC data released last week."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/

...and younger people have a much better rate of surviving the ICU, once hospitalized.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #3164 on:** March 23, 2020, 07:49:52 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on March 23, 2020, 07:29:24 pm

Phill Graham once prophesied that we would wind up hunting Democrats with dogs. He may yet be proven right.

Where can I sign up for one?

EdinVA · « **Reply #3165 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:00:49 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 23, 2020, 07:49:52 pm

Where can I sign up for one?

Fishrrman · « **Reply #3166 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:14:01 pm »

Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...

... isn't it about time to close off this thread, and open up a fresh one?

TomSea · « **Reply #3167 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:16:26 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 06:56:44 pm

Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.

If this never pans out, it does sound farfetched. But I'd hate to learn later it's true.

Chinese Scientists Raise Concerns Over Potential Link Between Coronavirus and Male Fertility
https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235

skeeter · « **Reply #3168 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:34:19 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 23, 2020, 07:49:52 pm

Where can I sign up for one?

For a few of the more odious ones I know you don't need no dog.

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #3169 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:51:52 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 06:56:44 pm

Are you watching the administration briefing right now? They just explicitly said young people, or people under 50, have very little to worry about with this virus.

Well, that's not true.

It may not kill anyone under 40, but it's still a pretty nasty infection. And given that the younger ones are more likely to travel and congregate in large crowds, they're spreading the disease faster.

The good news? It skews the death rate down.

skeeter · « **Reply #3170 on:** March 23, 2020, 08:56:28 pm »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 23, 2020, 08:51:52 pm

Well, that's not true.

It may not kill anyone under 40, but it's still a pretty nasty infection. And given that the younger ones are more likely to travel and congregate in large crowds, they're spreading the disease faster.

That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.

txradioguy · « **Reply #3171 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:17:34 pm »

Progressive Twitter Troll: Blah blah blah Corona Virus is Trump's fault!

Me: replies with factual information

PTT: ORANGE MAN BAD!

Me: More factual information to refute Lib talking points

PTT: "This member limits who can see their tweets"

corbe · « **Reply #3172 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:21:28 pm »

I love this woman, Cruz/Birx 2024.

Idiot · « **Reply #3173 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:36:55 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on March 23, 2020, 04:26:43 pm

Ain't nobody watched Boy in the Bubble? Put them quarantined Senators in a portable quarantine and park their fat asses on the floor.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL....great idea!

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #3174 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:43:43 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on March 23, 2020, 02:26:31 pm

Thanks for the post @DB it is nice to know Senator Paul inflicted the virus upon countless because of his he knew he should have been tested anyways. What a guy.

Countless?

[Please, no personal attacks. -Mod2]

DB · « **Reply #3175 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:43:57 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 08:56:28 pm

That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.

Did you read the article I linked above?

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #3176 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:46:09 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 23, 2020, 04:08:08 pm

Democrats in the House have now crafted a new 1,400 page bill (man that was done fast...almost like they already had it ready) that they passed without debate today. Here are just a few things Democrats are holding up the Coronavirus Relief Bill for:

-Corporate Board Diversity
-College Debt "relief"
-Election Auditing
-Canceling the debt of the Postal Service
-Same-day voter registration
-Requiring airlines to offset their emissions

I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.

Bigun · « **Reply #3177 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:48:29 pm »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on March 23, 2020, 09:46:09 pm

I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.

Thank you! I did the same and added keep voting no for as long as it takes.

libertybele · « **Reply #3178 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:52:18 pm »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on March 23, 2020, 09:46:09 pm

I just wrote my Senators and told them to vote no on this pork.

Millions of Americans have been adversely affected by this virus and these s.o.b's want to play "Let's Make a Deal"! Same day voter registration? Gee ... hmmm I wonder if this is nothing more than a last ditch effort to oust Trump??? If we can't get him on collusion, impeachment, hell, let's ruin the economy by creating some kind of disaster ... and Uncle Joe's Chinese partners were more than happy to accommodate.

DB · « **Reply #3179 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:55:34 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on March 23, 2020, 08:56:28 pm

That was Dr Birx point - the worst 99.98% of infected in reasonably good health under 60 only have to worry about is a 'nasty infection', not death or even a night in the ICU, which is what I suspect a large percentage of the population think right now.

From the article I posted about 30% of the total confirmed cases are between the ages of 20 and 44 and 20% of those are also hospitalized. That's about 6% of the total confirmed cases that are in that age range and are hospitalized. They don't give you a hospital bed unless they consider it serious.

Hoodat · « **Reply #3180 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:55:50 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 23, 2020, 06:48:33 pm

Using the guise of a "pandemic" to do what we see going on now is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap for what Liberals can and will do in the future in order to "save just one life".

Unless this happens to be the life.

txradioguy · « **Reply #3181 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:56:23 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on March 23, 2020, 09:55:50 pm

Unless this happens to be the life.

Yup...

TomSea · « **Reply #3182 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:13:57 pm »

Quote from: Fishrrman on March 23, 2020, 08:14:01 pm

Just a thought, don't mean nuthin', but...

... isn't it about time to close off this thread, and open up a fresh one?

@Cyber Liberty : @Fishrrman

I agree, the thread is sprawling too much, I think it would be best for the forum to start up another thread. 100 pages should be enough.

Lock the thread, and use some story, maybe even one of the threads on the first page of the health forum to start one up... because this will be with us for at least, some months.

Lock it and return it to the regular forum area, first post on this one was I think Jan. 16th, now, we are at March 23rd, it will soon be April.

DB · « **Reply #3183 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:19:29 pm »

Just so everyone is aware, it is fairly likely this virus will happen in more than one wave. Especially if the first wave was slowed by quarantine.

The Spanish Flu occurred in 3 waves. The second wave being the deadliest I believe.

corbe · « **Reply #3184 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:21:50 pm »

BOHICA

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #3185 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:33:57 pm »

Quote from: Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 01:38:23 am

She would have died anyways eventually...
Said no decent American.

At some point, whatever the reason,, if you can't breathe, you get help.

Wait on a test result? Nope.

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #3186 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:34:25 pm »

Quote from: DB on March 23, 2020, 10:19:29 pm

Just so everyone is aware, it is fairly likely this virus will happen in more than one wave. Especially if the first wave was slowed by quarantine.

The Spanish Flu occurred in 3 waves. The second wave being the deadliest I believe.

It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.

SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.

DB · « **Reply #3187 on:** March 23, 2020, 10:41:14 pm »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 23, 2020, 10:34:25 pm

It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.

SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.

The problem is if it is effectively blocked from spreading by quarantine many people still have no immunity to it. Then when they let their guard down a few months later it comes around in full swing again because it was never fully eradicated the first time and a large number of people are still susceptible. About the time it is quiet here it could be expanding south of the border for example.

jafo2010 · « **Reply #3188 on:** March 24, 2020, 03:02:16 am »

No amount of self isolation will result in the eradication of this virus. We could stay home three months and begin resuming normal life, and the virus will come back. It could mutate, but there is no guarantee of that, and I do not believe hoping for that is a strategy.

We need to resume life now, or there will be far more dead from despair than this virus will kill. The malaria medication looks promising.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #3189 on:** March 24, 2020, 03:56:05 am »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on March 23, 2020, 09:43:43 pm

Are you insane?

Or just hysterical?

[That's enough. - Mod2]

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #3190 on:** March 24, 2020, 11:31:21 am »

NY update: cases up to 25,665. Under 5,000 new casesâ€”in raw numbers slightly below yesterday's new caseload and that of the day before. This, coming roughly two weeks after distancing measures started, is a sign they are working. Projecting peak in total cases in early April.

musiclady · « **Reply #3191 on:** March 24, 2020, 11:35:14 am »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 23, 2020, 10:34:25 pm

It may, or it may not. If there is a second wave next winter, our experiences with it will allow for smarter, less disruptive response.

SARS reappeared a year and a half after it was squashed. The second effort got rid of it for good.

That is why the medical experts continue to press for social isolation.

No, it will not get rid of the virus....... no one is saying that. But the medical community will have experience in treating this, and we will be that much closer to a vaccine.

TomSea · « **Reply #3192 on:** March 24, 2020, 11:56:57 am »

Another Governor predicted a high percentage of people of his state will get it again but he said most will be alright. Well, we will see. It's not the most comforting thing to hear.

DB · « **Reply #3193 on:** March 24, 2020, 12:56:38 pm »

I've heard that no one should be getting flu shot right now. That getting the flu shot depresses the immune system and if you get exposed to the Wuhan virus while it is depressed you're more likely to get seriously sick.

jmyrlefuller · « **Reply #3194 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:07:17 pm »

Quote from: DB on March 24, 2020, 12:56:38 pm

I've heard that no one should be getting flu shot right now. That getting the flu shot depresses the immune system and if you get exposed to the Wuhan virus while it is depressed you're more likely to get seriously sick.

Nobody really gets the flu shot in the springtime anyway.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #3195 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:22:13 pm »

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUz7GXgVmTg

BREAKING: President Donald Trump Town Hall | FOX News

FOX 10 Phoenix

musiclady · « **Reply #3196 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:26:47 pm »

Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 24, 2020, 01:07:17 pm

Nobody really gets the flu shot in the springtime anyway.

Right. Most are given in the fall.

TomSea · « **Reply #3197 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:30:40 pm »

I did seek out a flu shot one spring but ultimately, did not get it, I believe I decided that I was suffering from allergies.

In other news, Harvard president tests positive for Covid-19.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/24/metro/harvard-president-tests-positive-coronavirus/?s_campaign=breakingnews:newsletter

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #3198 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:35:16 pm »

Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom

Trump has now set Easter as the date for having the country "opened up and raring to go."

Fox anchor says "That would be a great American resurrection!"

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #3199 on:** March 24, 2020, 01:46:01 pm »

I miss Dr Fauci

300,000 tests over the last week is great. They should keep focused, because it is far cry from the millions promised 2 weeks ago. Be Best