Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[mountaineer]

Can you provide a link for that claim?  Not just a worse risk but any risk at all?

A very small percentage of the serious cases do involve otherwise healthy people. Not sure whether any of the deaths involved young and/or healthy individuals. Will try to find stats.

[TomSea]

New York City To Release Inmates Due To Coronavirus Outbreak

New York is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in America and the nation watches to see the response in solidarity with that city and state but also to get a preview of what is coming for the rest of us.

New York Governor Cuomo announced the state is doing thousands of tests now after an enormous effort to get that system on track.

Trump has sent a hospital ship to help with the expected burden on its health care system.

More:  https://newsthud.com/new-york-city-to-release-inmates-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak/  summarizing from the NY Post:   https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/nyc-to-begin-releasing-inmates-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook

It's a hard call, if inmates get sick and die, I'm sure the institutions can be sued.

[TomSea]

Symptom: Shortness of breath along with what seems to go along with a "chest tightness", I can see what that would look like.

Lots of details too, such as if the virus stays in the upper lung vs. the lower lung which I believe is like pneumonia  (worse).

The most common symptoms of coronavirus include a fever, fatigue, cough or chest tightness, and difficulty breathing.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-symptoms-17664821

Immune system, again, I'm hitting the vitamin C, airborne chewable tablets which has zinc too or Emergen-C seem to be decent.  Totally unproven, just some of what I'm doing.

[mountaineer]

I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.

[DB]

I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.

http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

[mountaineer]

http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

My doctor friend said do not use the nasal spray, just the zinc lozenges.

[Bigun]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus

The professor is correct!

[musiclady]

I've read that those zinc lozenges may be helpful with viruses. I was at a church meeting last night and one of the members - a family medicine practitioner - urged use of Zicam or similar products.

Airborne is also very good.  It has loads of Vitamin C (and other vitamins), zinc, magnesium and other goodies.  It was developed by a school teacher who got tired of getting sick every fall.  (I used to do that too when I was teaching).

We take it daily and almost never get sick from anything, and if we do, it's always a very mild version of a cold or whatever.....

There are gummies, fizzies and chewable versions of it.  I use any of the three.

It's a little pricey, but to me well worth it since it keeps me healthy and not in need of other OTC meds.

[Smokin Joe]

Can you provide a link for that claim?  Not just a worse risk but any risk at all?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.

[mountaineer]

We'll see if there are any zinc products on the drugstore shelves. Will report back tomorrow, after my shopping trip.

[Smokin Joe]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus

The professor is correct!

We've been saying that all along.

[musiclady]

The professor is correct!

Those of us who are visually impaired wear glasses to correct our vision.  Can you please keep the font size down?  Sheesh!   

btw, that is one professor whose opinion is in opposition to thousands of other health care professionals and scientists.

Just make sure that in your cynicism, you don't get yourself sick........... or make anyone sick that you care about.

[Bigun]

We've been saying that all along.

   And we are still right!

[musiclady]

We now have a case in our county in Ohio. 

89 known cases in the state, up from 3 a week ago.

So far, praise the Lord, no deaths.  But some hospitalized and very, very sick.

The state of Ohio is doing its best to flatten the curve of the spread of this 20x more communicable than flu disease.

Hospitals all over the country are low on protective gear for the first responders..... doctors, nurses, life-savers.

Keep praying for them and for us as a nation.

We have never seen anything of this nature before.  We are in uncharted territory.

[DB]

  And we are still right!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz

[Cyber Liberty]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus

The professor is correct!

In related news, a Stanford Professor was taken out into the parking lot by other Professors and had the crap kicked out of him for jeopardizing their gumming grant money....

[roamer_1]

The professor is correct!

That's right.

[TomSea]

Article was already posted.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395334.0.html

[corbe]

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[Hoodat]

We've been saying that all along.

And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.

[Hoodat]

Atlanta Rhythm Section  -  I'm Not Gonna Let It Bother Me Tonight

[corbe]

   Love me some ARS, Thanks @Hoodat

[Hoodat]

My pleasure.

[Smokin Joe]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-us/ar-BB11nGEB?li=BBnb7Kz

The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.

There's the bugaboo in this.There is some critical data missing, data which may help the average person much more accurately assess their personal risk.  In Italy, those killed by the virus (99.2%) had either diabetes, High Blood Pressure, or a coronary condition--or a combination of those.

Similarly, we have relatively young people who exhibit those (and other) illnesses which may make them more susceptible to the virus. Every shrieking headline seems to have some critical information missing.

Yes, young people can catch the virus. That part isn't age dependent. However, the likelihood of developing heart disease, diabetes, or having High Blood Pressure generally increases with age, so that skews the age of those who become critically ill or die upwards. It does not remove risk from younger people who have those conditions.

[Idiot]

Much of these big business owners are us, stock holders with our 401ks.

Just don't look at your statement this month....I'm not.

[Smokin Joe]

And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.

Yep.
Which is why I am speaking to the data, the holes in it as reported, the flaws in it as sampling goes, and they are legion.

You'd think people would be able to spot omissions and half-truths by now.

[skeeter]

And in return, we have been accused of 'bullying', 'making personal attacks', 'using innuendo', 'making ad hominems', and 'accusing others of trying to scare others with no back up'.

IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.

And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.

[thackney]

My doctor friend said do not use the nasal spray, just the zinc lozenges.

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

[Idiot]

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus

The professor is correct!

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

[Hoodat]

Just don't look at your statement this month....I'm not.

Don't look at it for the rest of the year.  If you got extra cash, buy.  Stocks are a bargain right now, but it won't last.

[Idiot]

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

Same here....  I was a stockholder.  I made thousands on paper....then it all came crashing down when it turned out that Zicam caused you to lose your sense of smell.  I will NEVER forget zicam.

[TomSea]

The Stanford Proff says we don't know enough about the disease. Brilliant observation. This isn't the Silver Bulllet some are waving around, we just don't know.  So, what else is new?  Expose 330 million people to possible disaster? He's not the only educated opinion out there.

[thackney]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.

Thank you for that.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

I get to check all those boxes.  So do a lot of us.

Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show

In the United States, about 77.9 million (1 out of every 3) adults have high blood pressure.

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf

34.2 million people, or 10.5% of the U.S. population, have diabetes. An estimated 26.8 million people - or 10.2% of the population - had diagnosed diabetes. Approximately 7.3 million people have diabetes but have not yet been diagnosed (2018).

https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?

[roamer_1]

IMO there'll be some red faces when the final cost of this thing is tallied.

And we ought to all be hoping I'm right.

Ain't no question about it. You are right.

[roamer_1]

Yeah....tell that to the New Jersey family that had 7 hospitalized with 4 of them dying....they weren't exactly old either.

Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.

You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.

[Idiot]

What preexisting medical conditions were involved? How long did they delay getting medical care?

Texas Governor on tv now.....we have the virus in over 20 counties now.  Spreading quite fast....  He just shut down all restaurants, gymns etc....wow. Laredo pretty well shut the town down. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says Scroll down to the graphic (pie chart) 99,2% of the Italians had some serious underlying health issue or multiple issues.

That is a very significant piece of data and the sky-is-falling types fail to recognize that for what it means, which basically is healthy people have minimum health risk to virus exposure.

[Smokin Joe]

Thank you for that.

I get to check all those boxes.  So do a lot of us.

Cardiovascular diseases affect nearly half of American adults, statistics show
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/cardiovascular-diseases-affect-nearly-half-of-american-adults-statistics-show

https://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319587.pdf

https://www.diabetesresearch.org/diabetes-statistics

Stay healthy, friend.
I am fortunate enough to be over 60 and not check any of them.

Considering the above stats, I wonder how much overlap there is with the 60.8% of the US population that works.

[Idiot]

Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in the face of statistics that are still way way low, and trillions being spent.

You may as well bring up anecdotal evidence of folks getting hit by traffic as they cross the street - As that has a greater chance of happening than dying of this virus.

I pray you are correct....

[TomSea]

Thank goodness we won't see this again.

King County to put 200-bed field hospital on Shoreline soccer field amid coronavirus outbreak
March 18, 2020

Workers start building and setting up a temporary field hospital at a Shoreline soccer field on Wednesday. It will be for people who can’t safely remain in their homes or don’t have a home, according to the city. There will be multiple such hospitals throughout King County. (Amanda Snyder / The Seattle Times)
Evan Bush By Evan Bush
Seattle Times staff reporter

A temporary field hospital for use by people unable to isolate and recover from COVID-19 in their own homes will be located at a soccer field in Shoreline, a city spokesman said.

The Shoreline Temporary Field Hospital, at 19030 First Ave. N.E., will provide up to 200 beds, according to the city website. It will house “people exposed to, at risk of exposure, or becoming ill with the novel coronavirus.”

“It’s basically to relieve pressure on the hospitals and to free up beds for critical patients,” said Eric Bratton, a city spokesman. The hospital will be on a turf soccer field that is on school district property but is leased by the city, Bratton said.

Read more at:  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

[Smokin Joe]

I pray you are correct....

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

[Hoodat]

@mountaineer @DB

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

[Smokin Joe]

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

Yep. My sense of smell is limited, and has been since I worked in a field back in the 80s where the flares went out all too often. 

[corbe]

   Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.

[thackney]

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

Covid-19 in the US passed that two days ago.

40 deaths yesterday

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Scroll down to:
Daily New Deaths in the United States

[TomSea]

Sixteen people die per day, on average in the US from pedestrian/vehicle accidents. So far, the jaywalkers are ahead.

17 hours ago, USA coronavirus death toll was 100,

US coronavirus death toll surpasses 100;
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-death-toll-surpasses-100/story?id=69636160

now it's at 154.

United States: 10,755 cases, 154 deaths
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/national/u-s-death-toll-how-are-world-governments-handling-the/collection_05705193-a8fd-5deb-a5c0-2407b04f85df.html

Just the facts.

[Hoodat]

   Anhydrous Ammonia (used to make blueprints) is also a smell killer. I delivered that stuff to engineering firms all over Houston, as a teenager.

Troodat.  It also shrinks money when liquified.  If you get a chance, drop a dollar bill into a vat of very cold liquid ammonia.  Pretty cool.

[thackney]

Hydrogen sulfide seems to have the same effect.

Hydrogen Sulfide is the only reason I am concerned by my loss of smell.  Often it is a benefit in life working around large men with high protein diets.

[mountaineer]

I am one of those that significantly lost sense of smell from overuse of zicam nasal spray from my years in Alaska.

That's exactly what my doctor friend said last night was a possible side effect, and was why NOT to use it. I said, "That stinks."

DON'T USE a zinc spray. Just the lozenges. (pretty sure that's what I said).