Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[Gefn]

Just got a text from a family member


Stay calm and eat ice cream

[mountaineer]

the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that events of 50 people or more not be held for about two months.

So much for Palm Sunday, Easter ...

[Applewood]

@Gefn

Best advice I've heard yet. 

[Axeslinger]

@mountaineer
Thank you!

I believe the problem that has those in the know concerned is:

It is quite communicable, capable of living on surfaces for a relatively long time and it has a long incubation period during which the victim is contagious.   It is not highly fatal.   However neither was the Spanish Flu. I believe they are concerned about the ability and quite high possibility of it overwhelming our health care system.  At that point, people will be dying from a whole host of unrelated things.   

Couple this with the economic impact of the only way to prevent the above is social distancing and quarantining....there are no good options...only less bad and hoping that we can stall the spread

[jmyrlefuller]

This is a slow-moving crisis, which buys us time to develop vaccines and anti-virals to attack it.

We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm

I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.

[DB]

@mountaineer
Thank you!

I believe the problem that has those in the know concerned is:

It is quite communicable, capable of living on surfaces for a relatively long time and it has a long incubation period during which the victim is contagious.   It is not highly fatal.   However neither was the Spanish Flu. I believe they are concerned about the ability and quite high possibility of it overwhelming our health care system.  At that point, people will be dying from a whole host of unrelated things.   

Couple this with the economic impact of the only way to prevent the above is social distancing and quarantining....there are no good options...only less bad and hoping that we can stall the spread

If everything were shut down for about 3 weeks (I know that probably isn't possible) and this thing died in its tracks things could go back to normal much quicker. It is the slow burn that will cause massive economic damage.

[Gefn]

@Gefn

Best advice I've heard yet.

I think it should be on a T-shirt!
@Applewood

[Cyber Liberty]

We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm

I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.

That Doctor guy they have on FNC a lot said yesterday that it does respond to the existing anti-virals.  The problem is, once the severe pneumonia symptoms present it kills the patient too quickly for them to work. 

[mountaineer]

We actually already have antivirals. I mean, coronavirus as a broader class of virus is not new. The Chinese (take them for what their worth) say that chloroquine, a decades-old drug used to fight malaria, is effective against it.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm

I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.

Yes, I only touched on it briefly, but the doctor in the video went through a list of current drugs that are being tried on coronavirus, including a couple of AIDS drugs and various other anti-virals.

[Cyber Liberty]

Just got a text from a family member


Stay calm and eat ice cream

[Gefn]

Thank you @Cyber Liberty

[corbe]

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[corbe]

[Hoodat]

I'm not sure if anyone in America has even considered drug treatment for it yet.

Are we talking 48 hours in the county detox, or are we talking 28-day Betty Ford Center treatment?

[TomSea]

More than 3,800 passengers on a cruise ship disembarked in Miami without screening for COVID-19, despite a previous traveler testing positive days earlier
Andrew Dunn

More than 3,800 passengers disembarked from a cruise ship in Miami on Sunday without any type of screening for illness or potential coronavirus infections, the Miami Herald reported Sunday.

"When I say there was no check, there was none whatsoever," one passenger told the Herald. "I expected us to have some kind of a screening. They didn't do a single thing. We walked straight off the ship. There wasn't any check on anyone for anything."

A previous passenger on that same ship, the MSC Meraviglia, disembarked on March 8 and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-cruise-ship-disembarks-with-no-covid-19-testing-2020-3

It certainly seems like a stupid thing to do.... almost 4,000 people, beautiful ship, see link.

[truth_seeker]

Are we talking 48 hours in the county detox, or are we talking 28-day Betty Ford Center treatment?

I just got finished with a conference call to close our 12 Step meeting hall, to comply with both the federal CDC and state of CA.

(It has been in operation for 32 for 32 years.)

CA state ordered bars to close.

[DB]

I just got finished with a conference call to close our 12 Step meeting hall, to comply with both the federal CDC and state of CA.

(It has been in operation for 32 for 32 years.)

CA state ordered bars to close.

And the wineries and breweries were also ordered to close.

[catfish1957]

I'll add, if you don't get much sun exposure vitamin D3 in high dosages is a big deal. I take 10,000 IU a day and it made a dramatic difference in how often I get sick and the severity. I'm allergic to the sun so I need a lot of D3...

My physican told me >5000 IU long term dosage of D3 (which is the max strength, which I use) is harmful.  He may be FOS, and your physican right, but that was what I was told. 

[Smokin Joe]

More at Sharyl Attkisson.com

Isn't that something? Nearly 44% of the deaths so far are in one nursing home.

I have been attempting to point out how ridiculous the panic is.

We have one case in this state, 150 miles from here, a 60+ guy who thought he might have been exposed by people who had it in another state, who limited his contacts, got tested and is staying home until he gets well.

There is no toilet paper to be had on the shelves, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, etc.
Grandkids who were visiting their oldest sister around the pool at a local Motel were kicked out en masse, because the desk clerk was wigging out about Coronavirus.

It's bloody stupid, if you ask me.

In the meantime, 16 people get killed (on average) per day in the US crossing the street, but no one is freaking over jaywalkers.

[DB]

My physican told me >5000 IU long term dosage of D3 (which is the max strength, which I use) is harmful.  He may be FOS, and your physican right, but that was what I was told.

My last blood test for D was mid range of normal which is all that really matters. My calcium level is also mid range of normal. So definitely not too much for me. It greatly depends on how much sun exposure you get. The typical 200 IU or 400 IU from a multivitamin is pretty useless.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-side-effects#1

[Formerly Once-Ler]

[jmyrlefuller]

I have been attempting to point out how ridiculous the panic is.

We have one case in this state, 150 miles from here, a 60+ guy who thought he might have been exposed by people who had it in another state, who limited his contacts, got tested and is staying home until he gets well.

There is no toilet paper to be had on the shelves, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, etc.
Grandkids who were visiting their oldest sister around the pool at a local Motel were kicked out en masse, because the desk clerk was wigging out about Coronavirus.

It's bloody stupid, if you ask me.

In the meantime, 16 people get killed (on average) per day in the US crossing the street, but no one is freaking over jaywalkers.

I don't mean to be flippant or racist about this, but... I blame the Italians. Not to minimize the real-world carnage going on there, but Italian culture is... well... dramatic.

Social media has allowed the Italians to blast their horror stories around the world, and now everyone's stumbling and panicking to avoid becoming the next Italy. Plus, so many of these containment/mitigation measures are being taken solely because everyone else is doing them, not whether they will actually help the situation.

[catfish1957]

I don't mean to be flippant or racist about this, but... I blame the Italians. Not to minimize the real-world carnage going on there, but Italian culture is... well... dramatic.

Social media has allowed the Italians to blast their horror stories around the world, and now everyone's stumbling and panicking to avoid becoming the next Italy. Plus, so many of these containment/mitigation measures are being taken solely because everyone else is doing them, not whether they will actually help the situation.

Italian people tend to be kissey, huggy, and whatever.  OTOH, my wife laughed when she heard the term social distancing.  She said I have been practicing that 40 years.  Unless you are related to me, I consider anyone getting witin 3 feet of myself, an intrusion of personal space. 

[jmyrlefuller]

Good news so far: the American trajectory for deaths so far is much closer to South Korea's than it is Europe's.

And, for the record, where we stand with the rest of the world with infection rates, in raw numbers:

[libertybele]

Meanwhile ... we are supposed to have another day of record heat for this time of year ... doesn't appear that temperature will affect this virus.

Daycares are opening up in spite of schools being closed in this area -- that makes no sense!

[libertybele]

I'm surprised.  There are still quite a few countries that have not be infected with the virus.

What countries have not declared any known cases of coronavirus?

1.         Angola                                          32,866,272

2.         Bahamas                                       393,244

3.         Barbados                                       287,375

4.         Belize                                            397,628

5.         Benin                                             12,123,200

6.         Botswana                                       2,351,627

7.         Burundi                                            11,890,784

8.         Cabo Verde                                    555,987

9.         Chad                                             16,425,864

10.       Comoros                                         869,601

11.       Djibouti                                           988,000

12.       Dominica                                        71,986

13.       El Salvador                                     6,486,205

14.       Eritrea                                             3,546,421

15.       Fiji                                                    896,445

16.       Gambia                                            2,416,668

17.       Grenada                                          112,523

18.       Guatemala                                     17,915,568

19.       Guinea-Bissau                                1,968,001

20.       Haiti                                                 11,402,528

21.       Kiribati                                             119,449

22.       Kyrgyzstan                                      6,524,195

23.       Laos                                                 7,275,560

24.       Lesotho                                            2,142,249

25.       Liberia                                             5,057,681

26.       Libya                                                6,871,292

27.       Madagascar                                   27,691,018

28.       Malawi                                            19,129,952

29.       Mali                                                  20,250,833

30.       Marshall Islands                            59,190

31.       Mauritius                                        1,271,768

32.       Micronesia                                     115,023

33.       Montenegro                                  628,066

34.       Mozambique                                 31,255,435

35.       Myanmar (formerly Burma)           54,409,800

36.       Nauru                                              10,824

37.       Nicaragua                                       6,624,554

38.       Niger                                               24,206,644

39.       North Korea                                   25,778,816

40.       Palau                                                18,094

41.       Papua New Guinea                       8,947,024

42.       Saint Kitts and Nevis                        53,199

43.       Saint Lucia                                      183,627

44.       Samoa                                             198,414

45.       Sao Tome and Principe                    219,159

46.       Sierra Leone                                    7,976,983

47.       Solomon Islands                                 686,884

48.       Somalia                                              15,893,222

49.       South Sudan                                      11,193,725

50.       Suriname                                               586,632

51.       Syria                                                 17,500,658

52.       Tajikistan                                             9,537,645

53.       Tanzania                                            59,734,218

54.       Timor-Leste                                           1,318,445

55.       Tonga                                                       105,695

56.       Turkmenistan                                        6,031,200

57.       Tuvalu                                                    11,792

58.       Uganda                                               45,741,007

59.       Uzbekistan                                          33,469,203

60.       Vanuatu                                                307,145

61.       Yemen                                                 29,825,964

62.       Zambia                                               18,383,955

63.       Zimbabwe                                           14,862,924

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-countries-have-not-declared-any-known-cases-coronavirus

[libertybele]

Going through these -- some of the states with a higher infection number has a higher death toll percentage -- some nearly 5%. 

A state-by-state breakdown of US coronavirus cases

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html

[TomSea]

Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
After only 5 days' short rest, the 4th medical support team from #Guangxi province returning to #Wuhan on Mar 14 to battle #COVID2019
#Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina
This is not a rumor, Chinese official report: https://new.qq.com/omn/20200314/2

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239369039161503744

Whatever China says,  I am not going to trust their figures nor what they say.

So, there is a good chance, their figures simply are not trustworthy.

[TomSea]

Going through these -- some of the states with a higher infection number has a higher death toll percentage -- some nearly 5%. 

A state-by-state breakdown of US coronavirus cases

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html

West Virginia, none so far per the map. Interesting.  They must be the only state to not have any such cases.

[mystery-ak]

March 16, 2020
Covid-19: The numbers tell the story
By Marc Shepard

By merging datasets recently made available by the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Johns Hopkins University, I’ve gathered some truly fascinating trend statistics on the global penetration of Covid-19 which I’m now prepared to share.  There are 20 infected countries on page one of my analysis – and these are their stories.

Coronavirus (Covid-19) Global Penetration Statistics by Country as of 3/14/2020 08:00 GMT
more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/covid19_the_numbers_tell_the_story.html

[Hoodat]

West Virginia, none so far per the map. Interesting.  They must be the only state to not have any such cases.

West Virginia's secret weapon:

[mountaineer]

Moonshine and pepperoni rolls, baby! It's true, we still haven't had a confirmed case in WV.

My question du jour: For weeks we've been lectured over hand washing, coughing into our elbows, not having personal contact with others, maintaining a 6' distance from people, etc. At the same time, we keep hearing predictions that no matter what, there will be millions of dead Americans.

So, are all these precautions not going to work - or are some people just hoping they won't work?

[roamer_1]

Moonshine and pepperoni rolls, baby! It's true, we still haven't had a confirmed case in WV.

My question du jour: For weeks we've been lectured over hand washing, coughing into our elbows, not having personal contact with others, maintaining a 6' distance from people, etc. At the same time, we keep hearing predictions that no matter what, there will be millions of dead Americans.

So, are all these precautions not going to work - or are some people just hoping they won't work?

No one knows... And the worst part is...
If the rate stays well below the advertised and expected 200k-1.7m... Say, 100k or so.... Everyone will praise this nonsense, and those hawking it will take credit, while very probably not having changed a damn thing. Because if the rate remains low, it is within the realm of regular flu-season outbreak, in which coronavirus is a typical participant.

[Hoodat]

No one knows... And the worst part is...
If the rate stays well below the advertised and expected 200k-1.7m... Say, 100k or so.... Everyone will praise this nonsense, and those hawking it will take credit, while very probably not having changed a damn thing.

If this happens, the left will be bashing Trump for overreacting.

[mountaineer]

I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.

[roamer_1]

I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.

...In which case, all of this panic stricken hysteria will have been for naught. A media-driven sh*t-storm. And much ado about nothing.

[skeeter]

I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.

Its got a helluva way to go then, cause there've been ~20k deaths from the good ol' flu in the US so far this year.

[mountaineer]

Its got a helluva way to go then, cause there've been ~20k deaths from the good ol' flu in the US so far this year.

'Zackly.

Yesterday at church, my choir director mentioned that his family had watched some Shakespeare movies, including "Much Ado About Nothing." I said, "Is that about coronavirus?" and everyone fell down laughing.

Before anyone jumps on me, yes, I know it's not nothing. But we're still seeing way too much "ado" about it.

[skeeter]

'Zackly.

Yesterday at church, my choir director mentioned that his family had watched some Shakespeare movies, including "Much Ado About Nothing." I said, "Is that about coronavirus?" and everyone fell down laughing.

Before anyone jumps on me, yes, I know it's not nothing. But we're still seeing way too much "ado" about it.

Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.

[libertybele]

I won't be surprised if the total number of fatalities from Covid19, when all is said and done, is no greater than that of whatever variety of flu we've been dealing with this winter.

Provided that we can just get EVERYONE to wash their hands, cough into their elbow, stay home when sick and practice social distancing we should be fine.  Otherwise, IMHO I think the 2 million deaths worst case scenario could become reality.

The liberal governor of Illinois directed people to limit crowds to 50 as well as in bars and restaurants -- the people refused.  So ....we could easily have a disaster on hand.  The stat that I heard is that one person with the virus could easily result in infecting 120.

People need to learn from Italy and Spain.  Italy is a disaster.

[mountaineer]

  Italy is a disaster.

I think that may be due, at least in part, to their terrible healthcare system and the hordes of Chinese workers they import.

[Hoodat]

People need to learn from Italy and Spain.  Italy is a disaster.

I have learned that government-run healthcare doesn't work.

[aligncare]

Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.

Context. Something entirely missing from the PANIC-NOW-THERE’S-AN-ELECTION-COMING media.

[TomSea]

Coronavirus: Watch how germs spread

Coronavirus has been seen in more than 30 countries. The virus can spread from person to person and officials recommend simple steps to avoid becoming infected.

Dr Adele McCormick from the University of Westminster demonstrated how germs spread and what the best methods are to avoid catching a virus.

    28 Feb 2020

Video that shows how to wash hands to between the fingers, up to the webs of the hand.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-51637561/coronavirus-watch-how-germs-spread

Does soap kill coronavirus?

Coronavirus is an ‘enveloped virus’. This means it has a protective outer layer known as a ‘lipid bilayer’. The molecules making up this layer are shaped like a tadpole, with a water-loving (hydrophilic) round head and a water-hating (hydrophobic) tail.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-can-hand-washing-really-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19/

A pandemic simulation from 2018 shows how washing your hands more often could slow down an outbreak like the coronavirus
https://www.businessinsider.com/bbc-pandemic-data-shows-how-washing-hands-slows-virus-spread-2020-3

[Lando Lincoln]

State-by-state coronavirus news

[Idiot]

State-by-state coronavirus news

Ok...now this takes it all!  Willie Nelson has cancelled coming to our local Outlaws & Legends event.  Just shoot me now. 

[musiclady]

Well said. Its possible to take this seriously but still recognize the current reaction is over the top.

I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......

Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......

The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be.  The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be.  The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.

A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive.  A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate.  Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.

Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.

And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing."  Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.

Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse.  It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.

[Applewood]

@TomSea

Thank you for the articles on soap.  I have been criticized for not using hand sanitizers -- the alcohol wreaks havoc with my already severely dry skin -- but soap and water have worked fine for me. 

[DB]

I thought that just a few days ago because the media hype and the toilet paper thing have been so far over the top, but I've changed my tune, and this is why......

Scientists, health care professionals, pastors, educators, religious leaders, state leaders, community leaders, calm, conservative, thoughtful people are gravitating to the same place.......

The less contact we have with others during the coming weeks, the slower the spread of this disease will be.  The more large gatherings that are cancelled, the lower the risk will be.  The less close contact we have with strangers, the safer we will be.

A niece who is a physician in Montana has seen a case, another niece and family who are in northern Indiana is in quarantine because their daughter's best friend's mom tested positive.  A sister in law who is immune compromised has been told to self-isolate.  Our (Tea Party) Conservative pastor is doing only online services because he believes it is the most loving thing we as Christians can do.

Great measures are being taken to slow the growth of this virus by Governors and lower level community leaders.

And perhaps it is BECAUSE of these measures that this will turn out to be "nothing."  Because the "much ado" prevented a disaster, and on the record books this WILL be no more than the flu.

Except that won't be the reality of it, because it is significantly worse.  It will be because people were smart, stayed home and considered the good of the people they love rather than carrying on as if life these days is any form of normal.

I'll second that.