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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #600 on: July 04, 2019, 04:20:33 pm »
I checked out the Caravan when it first came out.  It was only available in a 4-cylinder, so I asked the fellow at the dealership if somebody in Deetroit had been smoking crack.  An engine that can barely move a compact in a minivan.   *****rollingeyes*****
Early corvettes were underpowered, too.

But take a look at the modern SUV and you can see where the minivan went.

Strip out the seats, you had a delivery vehicle for a small business. Leave them in, haul the kids and groceries. They turned out to be a practical vehicle with a multitude of uses, and evolved. For the American automotive industry, the advent of the minivan was a game changer.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #601 on: July 04, 2019, 05:17:40 pm »
Affinity Konar's novel, Mischling, is very loosely based on the imprisonment of Eva and her twin sister at Auschwitz. I read it, and it's excellent.

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Did the twin sister survive?

One of my mother's cousins was a MP in Berlin right after the end of WW-2,and he ended up marrying a homeless "displaced person" that the US were "housing" and trying to re-unite families that were split apart. She was a German Jew from Berlin,and it turned out that everybody in her family died in one of the camps,but her. She had the tattoo on her arm and never once talked about her time in the camps or anything else related to Germany. To the best of my knowledge everybody in the family had better sense than to ask her about it.

MY suspicion is that since she was a attractive teen girl that she was used to pleasure the guards. She never had any children,so I suspect they operated on her so none of the German guards would father a half-Jewish child.

It  turned out that her family had been VERY wealthy before the Nazi's confiscated all their real property and bank accounts,and some time during the 50's her family property in West Berlin was returned to her. She even refused to go back to Berlin to sell it. Had a broker sell it for her and forward the money to her.

Turns out the penniless and homeless girl my mother's cousin married morphed into a wealthy woman. She got even wealthier after the collapse of East Germany and the family land there was returned to her. Or at least I am assuming it was returned to her. If it was I am absolutely certain she sold it all without going there.

Neither he nor she worked another day in their lives. They lived in some Jewish enclave in New York in the summer,and another in Florida during the winter. They would usually stop off and visit with us coming or going every year,always driving a new Lincoln. The even bought the lot next to my parents house in case they decided to move there.

They also owned and raced race horses,but I had no interest in that and never asked about it.

Not that any of this seemed to make any difference to her. She was one of the saddest people I have ever met in my life and seemed to just go along with what her husband wanted to do because nothing made any difference to her.

They are both long dead now,and since they never had any children,I suppose all their property and money went to some charity.

I also happened to get a chance to view some of the captured Nazi camp films when I was in the army. Stuff the Nazi's filmed that was "too raw" to show to the public.  IMHO,the word "monsters" is over-used,but not when used in conjunction with the word "Nazi". I am getting so mad right now I am a little dizzy from just thinking about this crap.

BTW,there was a VERY interesting book written about the last Hanburg Oceanliner and it's last trip to Cuba with a load of Jews whose American relatives bribed the Nazi leadership to allow them to leave. It was written primarily by one of the Jews that was on the ship,and who survived the war. Has some photos of his fellow passengers,too.

Come to find out,this "selling Jews for cash" program had been going on for a while. How it worked was prominent,or suspected prominent Jewish families went to one specific concentration camp,and the Nazi party took their names and the names of their relatives living outside of Germany,and contacted the relatives and opened negoiations on freeing them for a price for each family member freed. Once the Nazi's got the money from enough families to fill up a ocean liner,the ship would then sail to Cuba and anchor in the harbor at Havana. None of the passengers were allowed on Cuban soil,but the German agents in the crew went ashore to handle the bank transfers and make sure all the money was paid.

Most of them were obviously going to the US,but some went to countries in South America where they had relatives to sponsor them.

The US Embassy was handling the paperwork for the ones going to the US. Technically,I guess this was illegal because it was a time of war and this could be seen as trading with the enemy,but suddenly it was shut down. The people aboard the ocean liner (Hamburg Line,IIRC) never found out why or who it was responsible for it,but suddenly there were no US visas forthcoming,despite the bribes already being paid and the money in the banks.
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They sat there in the harbor for a couple of weeks while the Nazi agents from the Ocean Liner and someone in authority in America passed messages back and forth via the Embassy,but what ended up happening was every Jew on the boat but the ones with relatives in Cuba were sent back to Germany,and straight back to a concentration camp. Most died as a result.

I wrote a book review once about this book while I had it in my hands,but can't remember now the title of the book or where it is.  If anyone is interested,I will try to remember to look for it and post a report on it here on TBR.

BTW,the ocean liner survived the war after being tied up at the harbor in Hamburg after returning. Seems like part of the deal was they had free passage from US warships and our allies while the "Jews for cash"   exchange was going on,but when that ended it never left port again. It was lightly damaged during the Allied bombing of Hamburg,and was cut up and sold for scrap after the war ended. I am guessing there weren't too many tourists wanting to take vacation trips  on German liners in 1946.

BTW,I THINK the title of the book was "The Last Ship".
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #602 on: July 04, 2019, 05:24:27 pm »
Early corvettes were underpowered, too.


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Not for their time they weren't. Even the 53 and 54 with the 235 Stovebolt 6 had 3 carbs and a hotter than original camshaft. The 55 and later models had V-8's and could be bought with a  high-performance solid lifter cam and dual quads.

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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #603 on: July 04, 2019, 09:26:11 pm »
She lived in Indiana...

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Holocaust survivor who was subject of Josef Mengele's inhumane medical experiments at Auschwitz and who later FORGAVE the Nazi 'Angel of Death' dies at 85

    Eva Kor was found dead in a hotel room in Krakow, Poland on Thursday

    She was taking part in annual trip with a Holocaust museum from Indiana

    Romanian-born Kor was sent to Auschwitz in 1944. Most of her family was killed

    Kor and her twin sister were subjected to medical experiments at Auschwitz

    Her sister, Miriam Zeiger, died of cancer in 1993

    They were one of 1,500 sets of twins experimented on by Dr. Josef Mengele


By Associated Press and Dailymail.com Reporter

Published: 12:09 EDT, 4 July 2019 | Updated: 21:17 EDT, 4 July 2019

Holocaust survivor Eva Kor, who championed forgiveness even for those who carried out the Holocaust atrocities, died Thursday during an overseas trip for a museum she founded in Indiana, her son said.

Kor was in Krakow, Poland, for an annual educational trip with the CANDLES Holocaust Museum and Education Center in Terre Haute, Indiana, and died in the morning in her hotel room.

While her health had recently improved, Kor had a tough year medically with a heart surgery and respiratory issues, said her son Alex Kor, who was with her when she died.

Read more at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7214119/Holocaust-survivor-Eva-Kor-dies-age-85.html





Read more at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7214119/Holocaust-survivor-Eva-Kor-dies-age-85.html

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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #604 on: July 05, 2019, 12:10:49 am »
Billionaire...read on for the rest.
Helicopter crashed in the Bahamas...Thursday, so today... with a total death toll of seven. My condolences, very sad. He may have started a business in St. Louis, his hometown may have been in West Virginia.
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Chris Cline, coal tycoon who founded St. Louis' Foresight Energy, dies in helicopter crash

    By Bryce Gray St. Louis Post-Dispatch 1 hr ago

Chris Cline, a billionaire coal baron who founded St. Louis-based Foresight Energy, died in a helicopter crash Thursday, according to reports from his hometown newspaper, the Register-Herald, in Beckley, West Virginia.

Reports said that Cline was among seven fatalities in the accident, which occurred in the waters off of Walker's Cay in the Bahamas.

Cline resigned from Foresight's board in 2017, according to financial filings from the company. He had previously served as the board's chairman, and also vacated his role as principal strategy adviser for Foresight.

Read more at: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/chris-cline-coal-tycoon-who-founded-st-louis-foresight-energy/article_e0c63ff0-60a2-5bd5-b8f0-aefa0ef7d455.html

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Billionaire Chris Cline among 7 dead in Bahamas helicopter crash - BNO News
Published 1 hour ago on July 4, 2019 By BNO News
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Coal tycoon and billionaire Christopher Cline is among seven Americans who have died in a helicopter crash in the Bahamas, local and U.S. officials say. It happened on the eve of his 62nd birthday.

The Royal Bahamas Police Force said it was notified at 2:53 p.m. on Thursday that a helicopter had failed to arrive at its destination. The aircraft had taken off from Big Grand Cay, one of the northernmost islands in the Bahamas, at about 2 a.m.

About three hours later, officers found the aircraft overturned in about 16 feet (4.9 meters) of water, about 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) off Grand Cay Island. “The bodies of four females and three males were retrieved from the aircraft,” police spokeswoman Terecita Pinder said.

Read more at: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2019/07/billionaire-chris-cline-among-7-dead-in-bahamas-helicopter-crash/

My condolences, quite a tragedy.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #605 on: July 05, 2019, 01:54:06 am »
She lived in Indiana...





Read more at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7214119/Holocaust-survivor-Eva-Kor-dies-age-85.html
She was a great lady, who ever warned against the resurgence of both totalitarian government and the sort of mob rule/hate that enables an entire population to target one group for extermination.

It is a sad day, indeed, that she is lost to us except for recordings of her talks, even though I trust she is in a better place.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #606 on: July 05, 2019, 05:15:58 am »
Billionaire...read on for the rest.
Helicopter crashed in the Bahamas...Thursday, so today... with a total death toll of seven. My condolences, very sad. He may have started a business in St. Louis, his hometown may have been in West Virginia.
My condolences, quite a tragedy.

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Chances are the women in the helicopter with him were family members,making the tragedy even worse.

NEVER fly anywhere in a helicopter if you have any other options.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #607 on: July 05, 2019, 07:13:10 am »
Re Chris Cline, his name sounded familiar. After Elin Nordegren divorced her cheating husband, Tiger Woods, she dated Cline for a while. He was a West Virginian, and very generous with his wealth.
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... Cline, who grew up in a West Virginia coal mining family, dropped out of Marshall University at 22 to enter the coal industry.  ...

In 2011, he donated $5 million from his Cline Family Foundation to the School of Medicine and the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics of the West Virginia University.

Later that year, he also donated $5 million to Marshall University for research on sports medicine.

Cline later contributed another $3.5 million to the Vision Campaign — the first major fundraising effort undertaken by Marshall Athletics and the Big Green Scholarship Foundation. ...
More at WV Metro News

Re Eva Kor:  I followed her on Twitter. She was so active in spreading the "never again" message about the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis. She seemed a lovely lady, too, and I enjoyed reading her thoughts.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #608 on: July 05, 2019, 08:29:46 am »
Re Chris Cline, his name sounded familiar. After Elin Nordegren divorced her cheating husband, Tiger Woods, she dated Cline for a while. He was a West Virginian, and very generous with his wealth.More at WV Metro News

Re Eva Kor:  I followed her on Twitter. She was so active in spreading the "never again" message about the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis. She seemed a lovely lady, too, and I enjoyed reading her thoughts.

@mountaineer

Let us not forget that not all of the concentration camp staff were Germans. Some were from other eastern European nations.

It is also important to recognize that Jews weren't the only ones that suffered this way. In FACT,there was a higher percentage of Gypsies murdered in the camps than there were Jews,and there was also a lot of Germans murdered in them. Primarily career criminals,retarded people,including children,people with genetic malformations,communists,and anyone else that attracted the attention of any German official. Jews just have a better PR machine than anyone else,and that's why so many people think the camps were built only for Jews or that Jews were the only ones worked to death or murdered in them.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #609 on: July 05, 2019, 11:08:10 am »
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so many people think the camps were built only for Jews or that Jews were the only ones worked to death or murdered in them.
Indeed. The camp we visited last year in France (Struthof) killed a lot of French resistance fighters, and I know Dachau housed political prisoners, Catholics, homosexuals, etc. Serbs were among the ethnic groups targeted by Nazis, and they are Orthodox Christian. Nazis were equal-opportunity killers.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #610 on: July 05, 2019, 12:02:38 pm »
Yes, for the camps,  I believe after the Jews, Poles were next in death toll, or citizens of the Soviet Union, Russians, Ukrainians.

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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #611 on: July 05, 2019, 12:44:47 pm »
  Nazis were equal-opportunity killers.

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That's one way to put it. I prefer "Nazi's were evil bastards".
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« Reply #612 on: July 05, 2019, 01:06:45 pm »
Indeed. The camp we visited last year in France (Struthof) killed a lot of French resistance fighters, and I know Dachau housed political prisoners, Catholics, homosexuals, etc. Serbs were among the ethnic groups targeted by Nazis, and they are Orthodox Christian. Nazis were equal-opportunity killers.

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« Reply #613 on: July 05, 2019, 01:41:38 pm »
The Nazis wanted to create a pure Aryan race and they had exacting standards for determining who was pure Aryan.  Fall short of those standards and you were gone. 

And if you did meet those Aryan standards, but you married a non-Aryan, both you and your spouse went off to the camps and were killed (along with any offspring you may have). 

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« Reply #614 on: July 05, 2019, 05:08:10 pm »
The Nazis wanted to create a pure Aryan race and they had exacting standards for determining who was pure Aryan.  Fall short of those standards and you were gone. 

And if you did meet those Aryan standards, but you married a non-Aryan, both you and your spouse went off to the camps and were killed (along with any offspring you may have).

And if you helped those non-Aryan's hide from the Nazis, they also put YOU in a Concentration camp.
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« Reply #615 on: July 06, 2019, 02:40:33 pm »
The artist, Leon Kossoff,  painted post-war Britain, he has passed away at the age of 92.
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« Reply #616 on: July 06, 2019, 04:06:39 pm »
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The Alabama police officer who arrested the Allman Brothers nearly 50 years ago has died
Updated Jul 5, 6:33 AM; Posted Jul 4, 2019

By Christopher Harress | charress@al.com

The Alabama police officer who famously arrested the Allman Brothers nearly 50 years ago has died at the age of 81.

Marlyn Cranford died June 26 at the Jackson Medical Center and was laid to rest three days later, according to his obituary.

Cranford, an established fisherman and fan of Alabama football, spent most of his career with the Alabama State Troopers, Chief of the Jackson Police Department and head of security at Ciba in McIntosh. He was a proud family man and enjoyed spending time with his many friends.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/07/the-alabama-police-officer-who-arrested-the-allman-brothers-nearly-50-years-ago-has-died.html

Rest in peace...

Hey, the police officer was sitting in a truck stop, they came in. I don't know how he got wind of them having drugs but they were some pretty hard core drugs.  Check the story. Different time but you can't still have heroin and stuff.

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« Reply #617 on: July 06, 2019, 07:12:41 pm »
Rest in peace...

Hey, the police officer was sitting in a truck stop, they came in. I don't know how he got wind of them having drugs but they were some pretty hard core drugs.  Check the story. Different time but you can't still have heroin and stuff.

I'll guess Mr. Cranford suspected they had drugs just by the way they looked and acted.  Maybe he detected the strong odor of MJ.  Many of the bands doing drugs back then didnt hide it.  Some were stoned 24/7.

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« Reply #618 on: July 06, 2019, 07:24:23 pm »
Rest in peace...

Hey, the police officer was sitting in a truck stop, they came in. I don't know how he got wind of them having drugs .....


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Seriously? Duane wasn't so bad,but it would have been hard to stop Dickey Betts or Gregg Allman when they DIDN'T have drugs. In fact,Gregg  hired a guy to carry his drugs for him,and the poor SOB got serious time in prison for his efforts.

Give a good listen to their music. When you hear blues that intense,it's a pretty good tip-off. VERY long songs with titles like "Tied to the Whipping Post" should be a good clue,also.

They and the Marshall Tucker Band were a couple of my favorites back in the 70's. Seen BOTH a bunch of times,and was even invited backstage to party with the Allman Brothers once,but the woman I was dating at the time was married,and I had to get her back home by a certain time and at least coherent enough to know who she was. You don't party with people like that and end up within shouting distance of coherent.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #619 on: July 06, 2019, 07:26:12 pm »
I'll guess Mr. Cranford suspected they had drugs just by the way they looked and acted.  Maybe he detected the strong odor of MJ.  Many of the bands doing drugs back then didnt hide it.  Some were stoned 24/7.

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Yeah,the eyes in their heads spinning in different directions and looking like they had 100 watt bulbs lighting them from behind while they drooled and giggled like maniacs would have been good first clues.
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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #620 on: July 06, 2019, 11:42:11 pm »
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'Father of bossa nova' João Gilberto dies aged 88


Brazilian musician Joao Gilberto, 77, performs in 2008 Image copyright AFP
Image caption The Grammy-award winning artist avoided the spotlight in recent years


Influential Brazilian musician João Gilberto has died aged 88.

The singer and composer was known best as a pioneer of the bossa nova genre, which found international popularity in the 1960s.

Reports say Gilberto died at home in Rio de Janeiro after a period of illness. His son confirmed the news of his death in a Saturday Facebook post.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48894651

"The Girl from Ipanema" Astrud Gilberto, João Gilberto and Stan Getz

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« Reply #621 on: July 07, 2019, 01:11:21 am »
Far more than just "The Girl from Ipanema" . . .


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RIP Mr. Gilberto.


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« Reply #622 on: July 07, 2019, 01:41:59 am »
Far more than just "The Girl from Ipanema" . . .

That's really in the spirit of grieving for others. Correcting others in a thread.  Would you have even posted this obit? For a change, lay off.

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Re: Obituaries for 2019
« Reply #623 on: July 07, 2019, 01:53:29 am »
I don't see @EasyAce 's post as a correction, but rather, as an enhancement.  Most of us know "Ipanema," but I think Ace was just making the point that Mr. Gilberto had a larger body of work.  And I for one am glad he did.  I admit to not being familiar with Mr. Gilberto's  other recordings. 

Rest in peace, Mr. Gilberto.

And chill, Tom.  Please.

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« Reply #624 on: July 07, 2019, 01:55:24 am »
That's really in the spirit of grieving for others. Correcting others in a thread.  Would you have even posted this obit? For a change, lay off.
As a matter of fact, if you hadn't, I would have, since I've been a fan of his (and his former wife's) since childhood and their kind of music was just as important to me then and now as the blues, jazz, classic soul, vintage rock and roll, and other musics.

And I wasn't correcting so much as I was augmenting. Because there was more to Joao Gilberto's career than one hit that happened along after his career was established well enough, and it behooves anyone claiming music knowledge to make such an acknowledgement, especially when that big hit wasn't even close to being the recording that made his name in the first place, in his native Brazil and abroad.


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« Reply #625 on: July 07, 2019, 02:50:09 am »
My college fraternity room mate, was a music major and played the coronet. He turned me on to lotsa great music, like Getz & Gilberto, Hugh Masakela, etc.

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« Reply #626 on: July 07, 2019, 08:40:09 am »
My sister is part of a trio (clarinet, cello and violin) that plays exclusively Latin American music. They also have a soprano singer from Brasil, who does a nice rendition of "Ipanema." The audience loves it. Here's a video of their CD recording session, featuring "Girl from Ipanema" in Portuguese.
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« Reply #627 on: July 07, 2019, 09:04:47 am »
Cameron Boyce
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Boyce had a number of films to his credit but his steadiest work was for Disney Channel, where he starred in a number of the channel's original productions, including Jessie and the Descendants TV-movie franchise. He had just finished Descendants 3 prior to his death from a seizure (stemming from an unspecified "ongoing medical condition") the morning of July 7.

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« Reply #628 on: July 07, 2019, 09:29:44 am »
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Back on the second season of “Amazing Race” the girl, who obviously was a woman handed the racers a clue on that beach,

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« Reply #629 on: July 07, 2019, 11:26:21 am »
My college fraternity room mate, was a music major and played the coronet. He turned me on to lotsa great music, like Getz & Gilberto, Hugh Masakela, etc.

So don't harsh my buzz.

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R.I.P. H. Ross Perot.  Lost a 5 month battle with leukemia.  He was 89.
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R.I.P. H. Ross Perot.  Lost a 5 month battle with leukemia.  He was 89.

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H. Ross Perot
Two-time independent Presidential candidate dies at 89



Perot founded Electronic Data Systems in 1962, which finally broke through a few years later when Lyndon Johnson's Great Society needed to computerize its records for the new senior universal health care system, Medicare. By 1968, Perot's wealth had skyrocketed and he would eventually die a multibillionaire.

In 1992, upset over the Persian Gulf War, Perot launched his independent campaign for President. Running on a combination of populism and debt control, Perot's 1992 campaign drew a higher share of the vote than any third-party candidate—19%— since the Bull Moose Party in 1912 (though he won no states or electoral votes, only winning a few scattered counties, and thus George Wallace's 1968 campaign and Strom Thurmond's 1948 campaign were more successful in that respect). The spoiler effect arguably allowed Democrat Bill Clinton to win the Presidency despite only receiving 43% of the vote, again the lowest proportion of the vote since 1912.

Perot ran for President again in 1996, but was less successful, garnering only about 9% of the vote. His political structure eventually evolved into the Reform Party, which continued to exist as a substantial political force for a few election cycles afterward but has declined in influence since then.

Perot died of leukemia July 9.

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H. Ross Perot
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Perot founded Electronic Data Systems in 1962, which finally broke through a few years later when Lyndon Johnson's Great Society needed to computerize its records for the new senior universal health care system, Medicare. By 1968, Perot's wealth had skyrocketed and he would eventually die a multibillionaire.


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LOTS of people don't know it because Perot never chose to brag about it,but he hired a LOT of vets,and he also sometimes paid for "outside the VA" medical care for VN veterans who couldn't get the treatment they needed at the VA,and who couldn't afford to seek it elsewhere.  When my friend Frank Miller (MoH winner) came down with incurable cancer and the VA gave him 6 weeks to live,Perot got his medical records copied and sent them to the top cancer specialists in the US for review,and offered to pay every dime out of his own pocket if they could save him. I know this to be a fact because Miller told me this himself over the telephone. Sadly,there was nothing to be done,and he died soon afterwards from wounds he received in VN. Nobody checked blood supplies back then,and he received tainted blood after one of the times he got shot up.
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LOTS of people don't know it because Perot never chose to brag about it,but he hired a LOT of vets,and he also sometimes paid for "outside the VA" medical care for VN veterans who couldn't get the treatment they needed at the VA,and who couldn't afford to seek it elsewhere.  When my friend Frank Miller (MoH winner) came down with incurable cancer and the VA gave him 6 weeks to live,Perot got his medical records copied and sent them to the top cancer specialists in the US for review,and offered to pay every dime out of his own pocket if they could save him. I know this to be a fact because Miller told me this himself over the telephone. Sadly,there was nothing to be done,and he died soon afterwards from wounds he received in VN. Nobody checked blood supplies back then,and he received tainted blood after one of the times he got shot up.

Great story, Pete.  I had no idea.

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« Reply #635 on: July 09, 2019, 03:53:48 pm »
"Coronet?"  Just teasin' ya, bro...

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LOTS of people don't know it because Perot never chose to brag about it,but he hired a LOT of vets,and he also sometimes paid for "outside the VA" medical care for VN veterans who couldn't get the treatment they needed at the VA,and who couldn't afford to seek it elsewhere.  When my friend Frank Miller (MoH winner) came down with incurable cancer and the VA gave him 6 weeks to live,Perot got his medical records copied and sent them to the top cancer specialists in the US for review,and offered to pay every dime out of his own pocket if they could save him. I know this to be a fact because Miller told me this himself over the telephone. Sadly,there was nothing to be done,and he died soon afterwards from wounds he received in VN. Nobody checked blood supplies back then,and he received tainted blood after one of the times he got shot up.





Perot was the one and only time I voted third party. Even when he ran...it was obvious we were headed to massive debt.

That being said....in the late 60's and early 70's I waited tables at Kips Big Boy. Ross would come in with 20 or so people on Sunday morning for breakfast. We would all take straws on who would wait on them. They ran your behind off...and left a quarter tip... :rolling:

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Perot was the one and only time I voted third party. Even when he ran...it was obvious we were headed to massive debt.

That being said....in the late 60's and early 70's I waited tables at Kips Big Boy. Ross would come in with 20 or so people on Sunday morning for breakfast. We would all take straws on who would wait on them. They ran your behind off...and left a quarter tip... :rolling:

I know he meant well, but his greatest impact on history was unleashing the Clinton Crime Machine.
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I know he meant well, but his greatest impact on history was unleashing the Clinton Crime Machine.




I can't argue with that @catfish1957

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« Reply #639 on: July 09, 2019, 05:48:40 pm »
I know he meant well, but his greatest impact on history was unleashing the Clinton Crime Machine.

There's that.  I keep that in mind while reading/listening to all the hagiographies.
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« Reply #640 on: July 09, 2019, 05:54:38 pm »
There's that.  I keep that in mind while reading/listening to all the hagiographies.

My opinions of Mr. Perrot are much more influenced by his out of the spotlight actions than any of his public forrays
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My opinions of Mr. Perrot are much more influenced by his out of the spotlight actions than any of his public forrays

I prefer to think of those.  He did help a lot of people, like his employees in post-revolutionary Iran.  That took some guts.
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« Reply #642 on: July 09, 2019, 06:57:41 pm »
Larry Elder has discussed this some on his show, I don't buy it altogether, I don't think the Perot voters were split on Slick Willie and Bush 41 but I think there were quite a few voters who normally, would have voted Democratic that voted for Perot.  So, I do think it would take some study rather than just saying "Perot threw the election to Clinton"... I lean that way but I don't think it's as clear cut as we might make it.
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« Reply #643 on: July 09, 2019, 07:04:04 pm »
Larry Elder has discussed this some on his show, I don't buy it altogether, I don't think the Perot voters were split on Slick Willie and Bush 41 but I think there were quite a few voters who normally, would have voted Democratic that voted for Perot.  So, I do think it would take some study rather than just saying "Perot threw the election to Clinton"... I lean that way but I don't think it's as clear cut as we might make it.

Ed Rollins was on Fox News this morning, and he said it wasn't Perot's fault Bush 41 lost.  Don't know if I believe him, but he was there.

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« Reply #644 on: July 09, 2019, 07:04:52 pm »
  So, I do think it would take some study rather than just saying "Perot threw the election to Clinton"
That describes my aunt and uncle, good ol' traditional FDR Democrats who knew something was amiss with Clinton but weren't about to vote Republican. So they voted for Perot.
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« Reply #645 on: July 09, 2019, 07:05:36 pm »
Larry Elder has discussed this some on his show, I don't buy it altogether, I don't think the Perot voters were split on Slick Willie and Bush 41 but I think there were quite a few voters who normally, would have voted Democratic that voted for Perot.  So, I do think it would take some study rather than just saying "Perot threw the election to Clinton"... I lean that way but I don't think it's as clear cut as we might make it.

A similar theory was thrown at me in 2016:  Vote third party or write in or stay at home and you are voting for Hillary. It's yet another scare tactic used  by Republicans and Democrats alike to force you to vote for one of the two stupid parties.  Didn't buy that nonsense then and don't buy it now.

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« Reply #646 on: July 09, 2019, 07:23:22 pm »
A similar theory was thrown at me in 2016:  Vote third party or write in or stay at home and you are voting for Hillary. It's yet another scare tactic used  by Republicans and Democrats alike to force you to vote for one of the two stupid parties.  Didn't buy that nonsense then and don't buy it now.

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Perot was the one and only time I voted third party. Even when he ran...it was obvious we were headed to massive debt.

I have to admit that at first I was a HUGE fan and of his and really wanted him to win. Then it became obvious he was only in it to try to keep the Bush Crime Family from winning because there was something person in it between him and the family,so I dropped all support for Perot.

At that time I supported Boy Jorge (truth to tell I still like him as a person) because I had no idea his globalist mother was pulling his strings in the background.  Didn't even understand how evil Poppy was at the time.

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That being said....in the late 60's and early 70's I waited tables at Kips Big Boy. Ross would come in with 20 or so people on Sunday morning for breakfast. We would all take straws on who would wait on them. They ran your behind off...and left a quarter tip... :rolling:

Sounds about right. I have met and come to know several self-made millionaires,and not a single one of them was casual about his money.

Part of Perot's "thing" was he liked to hire former SF soldiers as guards and security agents,so offering to help a SF Medal of Honor winner didn't exactly hurt him with the Special Operations Crowd.
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« Reply #648 on: July 09, 2019, 08:45:23 pm »
Larry Elder has discussed this some on his show, I don't buy it altogether, I don't think the Perot voters were split on Slick Willie and Bush 41 but I think there were quite a few voters who normally, would have voted Democratic that voted for Perot.  So, I do think it would take some study rather than just saying "Perot threw the election to Clinton"... I lean that way but I don't think it's as clear cut as we might make it.

I agree with that, @TomSea.  I don't think Perot threw the election; Bush did.

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« Reply #649 on: July 09, 2019, 09:19:23 pm »
I agree with that, @TomSea.  I don't think Perot threw the election; Bush did.

Correct.  It was the trail of broken lies and misread lips that created Perot.
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