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« Reply #100 on: December 03, 2018, 05:54:41 pm »


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Another brand made with soft wheat:


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« Reply #102 on: December 03, 2018, 08:25:19 pm »
My aunts down in TN and AL could make some amazing biscuits. My aunt Margie made ones my grandpa called 'cat head' biscuits because they were as big 'as a tom cat's head.'

The cathead biscuit is normally the left over - not enough to make another biscuit without leaving so little as to be unable to make yet another - So the leftovers are left as one, and normally, with every family I know anyway, the cathead goes in the center of the pan.

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« Reply #103 on: December 03, 2018, 08:50:57 pm »
The cathead biscuit is normally the left over - not enough to make another biscuit without leaving so little as to be unable to make yet another - So the leftovers are left as one, and normally, with every family I know anyway, the cathead goes in the center of the pan.

Sounds like the opposite of the dog waffle, that ugly mishapen thing that I force my dogs to eat which is made from the last partial portion of waffle batter.

Fortunately my dogs are really cool and pretend they actually like it.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #104 on: December 03, 2018, 09:14:38 pm »
Sounds like the opposite of the dog waffle, that ugly mishapen thing that I force my dogs to eat which is made from the last partial portion of waffle batter.

Fortunately my dogs are really cool and pretend they actually like it.

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« Reply #105 on: December 03, 2018, 09:34:31 pm »
Sounds like the opposite of the dog waffle, that ugly mishapen thing that I force my dogs to eat which is made from the last partial portion of waffle batter.

Fortunately my dogs are really cool and pretend they actually like it.

Yeah... normally I get the cathead biscuit... I don't like how that squares with your analogy...  :pondering:

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« Reply #106 on: December 03, 2018, 10:36:15 pm »
OK Roos, All:

The tipping thread leaves me with a question that may fit better here:

I get crappy freezer pizzas, primarily because of the frozen dough. I always have to put on more ingredients to make it decent... And only decent, because the crust is not all that good.

Does anyone have a pizza dough recipe that will either freeze raw and flat (already formed, and maybe loaded with ingredients) or that will freeze after being proofed (and maybe loaded with ingredients) ?

The idea being to make my own not-so-crappy freezer pizza replacement (suitable likewise for calzones, etc)...

I already do pizza dough from a tube, but the problem with those tubes (of any kind) is that they (suck and) don't store for long... Or at least, I don't know how to make em store for long...

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #107 on: December 03, 2018, 10:42:15 pm »
OK Roos, All:

The tipping thread leaves me with a question that may fit better here:

I get crappy freezer pizzas, primarily because of the frozen dough. I always have to put on more ingredients to make it decent... And only decent, because the crust is not all that good.

Does anyone have a pizza dough recipe that will either freeze raw and flat (already formed, and maybe loaded with ingredients) or that will freeze after being proofed (and maybe loaded with ingredients) ?

The idea being to make my own not-so-crappy freezer pizza replacement (suitable likewise for calzones, etc)...

I already do pizza dough from a tube, but the problem with those tubes (of any kind) is that they (suck and) don't store for long... Or at least, I don't know how to make em store for long...

@RoosGirl

I have never tried to freeze pizza dough, but just a quick search brought up this.  I haven't made a ton of stuff using her recipes, but what I have I've liked.

https://thepioneerwoman.com/food-and-friends/how-to-make-and-freeze-pizza-dough/

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
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« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2018, 12:42:49 am »
Thank you @RoosGirl ... you always have a way... I will give all that a whirl.
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« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2018, 08:10:42 am »
Thank you @RoosGirl ... you always have a way... I will give all that a whirl.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2018, 09:17:41 am »
I have never tried to freeze pizza dough, but just a quick search brought up this.  I haven't made a ton of stuff using her recipes, but what I have I've liked.

https://thepioneerwoman.com/food-and-friends/how-to-make-and-freeze-pizza-dough/

If you have a bread machine I have a good pizza dough recipe.  I read the link, it has instructions for freezing in balls.  I am going to try freezing it flat.  The hardest thing about pizza dough is making it flat and round. 
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #113 on: December 04, 2018, 10:09:36 am »
If you have a bread machine I have a good pizza dough recipe.  I read the link, it has instructions for freezing in balls.  I am going to try freezing it flat.  The hardest thing about pizza dough is making it flat and round.

Do yourself a favor and get a piece of slate to work it on... and actual pizza pans makes the 'making it round' part a snap.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #114 on: December 04, 2018, 10:22:00 am »
Just had breakfast. Hard boiled egg and coffee

Would love a biscuit or a bagel.

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #115 on: December 04, 2018, 12:06:10 pm »
Do yourself a favor and get a piece of slate to work it on... and actual pizza pans makes the 'making it round' part a snap.
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Having a pizza stone to bake on is vital, at about 475-500F temperature. I have a pizza oven that sits on my gas grill outside.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #116 on: December 04, 2018, 10:13:20 pm »
Having a pizza stone to bake on is vital, at about 475-500F temperature. I have a pizza oven that sits on my gas grill outside.

I am still fixin to put a wood-fired one out back... as part of an outdoor kitchen.

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #117 on: December 09, 2018, 06:43:02 pm »
@Cyber Liberty
Biscuit recipe, from here: https://gardenandgun.com/recipe/biscuits-a-love-story/
Made a quarter recipe tonight, got 7 biscuits out of it.  Really good biscuits, light and fluffy and crispy on the outside.  I used King Arthur self rising, so DID NOT ADD the baking powder and salt.  And I ended up having to cook for 20 minutes.

Ingredients

        1 lb. unsalted butter (4 sticks), frozen, plus 3 tbsp. melted for brushing

        8 cups all-purpose flour, plus extra for dusting

        4 tbsp. baking powder

        2 tbsp. kosher salt

        3 1/2 cups buttermilk

Preparation

    Preheat the oven to 400°

    Grate 1 lb. butter into a bowl using the large holes of a box grater, and place in the freezer for about 10 minutes.

    In another bowl, combine 8 cups flour and the baking powder. Add the salt and mix well.

    Once the butter is very cold and hard, add it to the dry ingredients. Using your fingers, incorporate the butter into the flour until the mixture is crumbly. Slowly add the buttermilk and use your hands to gently bring the dough together.

    Dump dough onto a lightly floured countertop and dust it with flour. Knead the dough until it just comes together, taking care not to overwork it.

    Dust a rolling pin with flour and roll the dough out to a thickness of 1 inch. Fold the dough in half from top to bottom, and then lightly roll it out again and fold it from side to side. Roll it out one more time, and then stamp out biscuits with a 3-inch biscuit cutter.

    Place biscuits on a baking sheet lined with parchment paper. Form the scraps into a ball, roll it out, and stamp out more biscuits. (Discard the overworked remaining scraps.)

    Melt the 3 tbsp. butter and brush the tops of the biscuits. Bake for 14-17 minutes, rotating the baking sheet halfway through.

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« Reply #118 on: December 09, 2018, 06:54:58 pm »
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #119 on: December 09, 2018, 11:35:57 pm »
The cathead biscuit is normally the left over - not enough to make another biscuit without leaving so little as to be unable to make yet another - So the leftovers are left as one, and normally, with every family I know anyway, the cathead goes in the center of the pan.
Now I know what those southerners mean by cat head biscuits. All this time I've been afraid to ask.  :laugh:
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #120 on: December 09, 2018, 11:56:22 pm »
Now I know what those southerners mean by cat head biscuits. All this time I've been afraid to ask.  :laugh:

https://thesouthernladycooks.com/2013/05/23/mamas-cathead-biscuits/
Same thing, but a thing... Biscuits big as a cat's head.

I ain't Southern, though my kin come from there on my mamma's side... I learned it that way, right up here in MT  :shrug:

Funny sometimes how that is.... A 'poke' down south (to my understanding) is a gunny sack, or a bag used to haul something (a pig in a poke)...

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #121 on: December 10, 2018, 07:57:44 am »
@Cyber Liberty
Biscuit recipe, from here: https://gardenandgun.com/recipe/biscuits-a-love-story/
Made a quarter recipe tonight, got 7 biscuits out of it.  Really good biscuits, light and fluffy and crispy on the outside.  I used King Arthur self rising, so DID NOT ADD the baking powder and salt.  And I ended up having to cook for 20 minutes.

Ingredients

        1 lb. unsalted butter (4 sticks), frozen, plus 3 tbsp. melted for brushing

        8 cups all-purpose flour, plus extra for dusting

        4 tbsp. baking powder

        2 tbsp. kosher salt

        3 1/2 cups buttermilk

Preparation

    Preheat the oven to 400°

    Grate 1 lb. butter into a bowl using the large holes of a box grater, and place in the freezer for about 10 minutes.

    In another bowl, combine 8 cups flour and the baking powder. Add the salt and mix well.

    Once the butter is very cold and hard, add it to the dry ingredients. Using your fingers, incorporate the butter into the flour until the mixture is crumbly. Slowly add the buttermilk and use your hands to gently bring the dough together.

    Dump dough onto a lightly floured countertop and dust it with flour. Knead the dough until it just comes together, taking care not to overwork it.

    Dust a rolling pin with flour and roll the dough out to a thickness of 1 inch. Fold the dough in half from top to bottom, and then lightly roll it out again and fold it from side to side. Roll it out one more time, and then stamp out biscuits with a 3-inch biscuit cutter.

    Place biscuits on a baking sheet lined with parchment paper. Form the scraps into a ball, roll it out, and stamp out more biscuits. (Discard the overworked remaining scraps.)

    Melt the 3 tbsp. butter and brush the tops of the biscuits. Bake for 14-17 minutes, rotating the baking sheet halfway through.

Now you've done it! It's still snowing, its gonna sleet, my MIL had a second stroke last night (the EMT truck got stuck, the ambulance got stuck twice, the hospital is critically short staffed) so I need something to occupy my hands. 
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #122 on: December 10, 2018, 08:09:06 am »
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(Discard the overworked remaining scraps.)

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« Reply #123 on: December 10, 2018, 08:09:48 am »
Now you've done it! It's still snowing, its gonna sleet, my MIL had a second stroke last night (the EMT truck got stuck, the ambulance got stuck twice, the hospital is critically short staffed) so I need something to occupy my hands.

I'm sorry your MIL had another stroke, unless you don't like her and then I'm not sorry, but I think it's a little far fetched to accuse me of making her have a stroke by posting a simple biscuit recipe.

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« Reply #125 on: December 10, 2018, 09:05:35 am »
If you scoop it, don’t roll it, like Jason Roy of Biscuit Head recommends, then there ain’t any scraps to throw away. Make them all Catheads. Big and small.

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For soft and fluffy biscuits, blend the liquid and dry ingredients just until the dough "resembles cottage cheese," Sonoskus says. This stops you from activating too much gluten in the flour and ending up with a tougher biscuit that doesn't rise as high. But even if you mix too much, don't worry. "Denser biscuits have their place—they're better for making sandwiches," he rationalizes.

Gently shape biscuits with an ice cream scoop instead of a biscuit cutter. That's what Roy does to make Biscuit Head's oversized cathead biscuits, so-called because they're as big as a cat's noggin. Whether you make them big or small, it's an incredibly easy and foolproof technique. Don't have a spring-loaded scoop? Use a measuring cup and a silicone spatula.

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« Reply #126 on: December 10, 2018, 09:21:52 am »
Now, do you really?

Depends on how much of it there is.  I'll let the kids eat a little bit of it raw.
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« Reply #127 on: December 10, 2018, 10:20:52 am »
I'm sorry your MIL had another stroke, unless you don't like her and then I'm not sorry, but I think it's a little far fetched to accuse me of making her have a stroke by posting a simple biscuit recipe.

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Noooo, no.  Not what I meant.  I was trying to avoid the whole biscuit thing because hubby is diabetic, on a diet and has a serious weakness for bicuits!! 

I like my MIL.  She lived with us for 14 years.  I am afraid her days on this earth are few.

I halved the recipe and the biscuits were beautiful.   Hubby ate all but one.
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« Reply #128 on: December 10, 2018, 02:23:01 pm »
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Noooo, no.  Not what I meant.  I was trying to avoid the whole biscuit thing because hubby is diabetic, on a diet and has a serious weakness for bicuits!! 

I like my MIL.  She lived with us for 14 years.  I am afraid her days on this earth are few.

I halved the recipe and the biscuits were beautiful.   Hubby ate all but one.

Just teasing you, lady.  Hey, if you make another batch, freeze a couple of them and then cook them later and tell me how they come out.  I'd like to make some ahead of time, but not if they're not going to be good.   :laugh:

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« Reply #129 on: December 10, 2018, 02:38:14 pm »
Just teasing you, lady.  Hey, if you make another batch, freeze a couple of them and then cook them later and tell me how they come out.  I'd like to make some ahead of time, but not if they're not going to be good.   :laugh:

My mom and both grandmothers made the best buttermilk biscuits, and they didn't measure anything.

My grandmother would make large batches and freeze them.  Every night my grandfather would take out enough for breakfast, thaw them overnight, and pop them in the oven the next morning.  She also had a regular orders from friends for the frozen, uncooked biscuits and sent the money to a missionary.  So you should be fine with freezing the raw biscuits to cook later.

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« Reply #130 on: December 22, 2018, 04:57:46 pm »
I made another 1/4 batch and froze them.  Cooked them up today and they're just as nice as fresh dough.

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« Reply #131 on: December 22, 2018, 05:10:52 pm »
I made another 1/4 batch and froze them.  Cooked them up today and they're just as nice as fresh dough.

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« Reply #132 on: December 22, 2018, 05:14:30 pm »
I made another 1/4 batch and froze them.  Cooked them up today and they're just as nice as fresh dough.

Did you thaw them first or put them in the oven frozen?

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« Reply #133 on: December 22, 2018, 05:20:27 pm »
   Too lazy to make biscuit's just buy them at my Local Grocery (HEB), they're GREAT!

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« Reply #134 on: December 22, 2018, 05:36:15 pm »
I made another 1/4 batch and froze them.  Cooked them up today and they're just as nice as fresh dough.

Did you mix up a 1/4 batch of dough and then freeze it one big lump? Or did you roll out and cut the biscuits,  freeze them on a cookie sheet, and then after frozen, bag them up?

Cook them frozen? That's what I do with the frozen biscuits I get from Sam's.

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« Reply #135 on: December 22, 2018, 05:36:50 pm »
Did you thaw them first or put them in the oven frozen?

Straight in to hot oven.  Same temp, took an additional 12 minutes.

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« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2018, 05:39:08 pm »
Did you mix up a 1/4 batch of dough and then freeze it one big lump? Or did you roll out and cut the biscuits,  freeze them on a cookie sheet, and then after frozen, bag them up?

Cook them frozen? That's what I do with the frozen biscuits I get from Sam's.

I should have been clearer.  I cut the biscuits and froze them on a cookie sheet and then bagged them.  Cooked them from frozen in the 400* oven.  Took an additional 12 minutes for me.

I also placed them so all 5 were touching each other and they rose up nice and high.

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« Reply #137 on: December 22, 2018, 05:43:52 pm »
   Too lazy to make biscuit's just buy them at my Local Grocery (HEB), they're GREAT!



I've never seen that brand before, but you canNOT use cheddar garlic biscuits with sausage gravy.  I've used this brand before and they're pretty good.  Probably good enough to not go through the hassle of rolling and cutting biscuits, but I just felt like making them this year.


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« Reply #138 on: December 22, 2018, 06:39:24 pm »
I've eaten a ton of these:



Not as good as homemade, but quick and easy.

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« Reply #139 on: December 22, 2018, 07:04:33 pm »
I've eaten a ton of these:



Not as good as homemade, but quick and easy.

I hate to confess it, but half of my diet after my divorce was Pilsbury Grand biscuits poured over with Dinty Moore stew...

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« Reply #140 on: December 22, 2018, 07:16:02 pm »
I hate to confess it, but half of my diet after my divorce was Pilsbury Grand biscuits poured over with Dinty Moore stew...

Oh, you poor man!

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« Reply #141 on: December 22, 2018, 07:27:09 pm »
I hate to confess it, but half of my diet after my divorce was Pilsbury Grand biscuits poured over with Dinty Moore stew...


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« Reply #142 on: December 22, 2018, 07:36:40 pm »
Oh, you poor man!

Don't you know it... Though actually an improvement - My ex was often an awful cook - Not attentive to the work.

As for Dinty Moore... not too bad if you can get past the dog food smell when you crack the can. I still have that combination once in a while... Just to remind myself of where I came from.

I make scratch stew now, and it is marvelous... Still can't do those flaky biscuits - Yeast and me don't yet get along - But I will put my breakfast biscuits or sourdough biscuits up against anybody's and do alright.

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #143 on: December 22, 2018, 07:39:23 pm »
I've eaten a ton of these:



Not as good as homemade, but quick and easy.

I liked the frozen Grands because I could make just a couple without popping a whole container of the refrigerator biscuits.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #144 on: December 22, 2018, 07:44:41 pm »

   Whoever dies with the most toys wins is what my dad always told me, after my last Divorce I was consumed by Ho's and Coke (80's), I probably won't outlive you @roamer_1 to collect my Toys, oh well, it was fun.

Well @corbe , I had my own time back in the 80's... Not a lot of coke (too expensive for me), but good enough I can't remember about a decade... Thankfully I pulled out of it...

And it depends upon the toys... I am a rich man... As Don Williams put it, "I've got silver in the stars, gold in the morning sun."  If I have a fishin pole, and a place to use it, that will be fine living and plenty enough.

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #145 on: December 22, 2018, 07:49:34 pm »
   I too, now find the greatest joy in the simplest of things @roamer_1 I am so blessed to have lived long enough to realize that.
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2018, 07:56:39 pm »
   I too, now find the greatest joy in the simplest of things @roamer_1 I am so blessed to have lived long enough to realize that.

That's right. Took me half my life to come back around to what I knew was good in my childhood  :shrug:
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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2018, 08:04:57 pm »
I liked the frozen Grands because I could make just a couple without popping a whole container of the refrigerator biscuits.

I didn't even know they come frozen!
That's right about the refrigerator kind... I can't stand toob dough - Ain't no way to keep it. Still using it though... Till I get a good pizza dough worked out, and I can make flaky biscuits... and croissants... What is life without pigs in a blanket?

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #148 on: December 22, 2018, 08:50:47 pm »
Grandma taught me how to make some kick ass biscuits and gravy!

Has anyone asked you to post that?  Especially the gravy?

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Re: Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits
« Reply #149 on: December 22, 2018, 09:04:07 pm »
Has anyone asked you to post that?  Especially the gravy?

I would post one for you, but you have me on ignore so would never see it.  Sausage gravy and biscuits has been our traditional Christmas morning breakfast for longer than I've been alive.