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President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

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I don't think that a President at a joint press conference after a summit should publicly attack the other participant.

Principles matter. Words matter.

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I don't think that a President at a joint press conference after a summit should publicly attack the other participant.

The state/media complex has lost it's mucking find.

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Newt, you lost credibility when you sat on that sofa with pelosi.

Go to a corner, sit down and suck your thumb.....get a head start on all of those who will have to eat their words.

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The state/media complex has lost it's mucking find.

Haven't seen CNN or MSNBC showing any interest in the Clinton "donation" or in where the DNC servers are. I think Mueller having Rosenstein make the announcement of the meaningless indictments on Friday amounts to an attempted soft coup. Has anyone from the federal government ever seen the hardware? Can anyone in the federal government be trusted?
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I heard Levin and others comment. Larry Elder too. I'll see how this unfolds. Newts a good guy.

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I don't think that a President at a joint press conference after a summit should publicly attack the other participant.

Can anyone ever remember a war of words between two leaders on the same dais? This is the most absurd dust up I ever saw. DC might be bent out of shape about this, the rest of the country not so much.

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Can anyone in the federal government be trusted?
That must be a question Trump asks himself each day.

Mueller? Rosie? Sessions? Wray? Ryan?
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Haven't seen CNN or MSNBC showing any interest in the Clinton "donation" or in where the DNC servers are. I think Mueller having Rosenstein make the announcement of the meaningless indictments on Friday amounts to an attempted soft coup. Has anyone from the federal government ever seen the hardware? Can anyone in the federal government be trusted?

Doesn't Mueller have to at least consider the offer Putin made yesterday?

What can he lose? Simply saying Putin cannot be trusted won't cut it - if the truth is whats at stake here its a golden opportunity.

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Doesn't Mueller have to at least consider the offer Putin made yesterday?

What can he lose? Simply saying Putin cannot be trusted won't cut it - if the truth is whats at stake here its a golden opportunity.

Mueller has no intention of doing anything about the 12 Russians. Putin's offer is also not on the radar of the putrid media.
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Who cares if Newt is in a picture with Pelosi? Newt balanced the budget. Somewhere along the line, one has to have reaching across the aisle.  Otherwise, gridlock.  Gingrich probably shouldn't have moved the Republicans to impeach Clinton. Things like that cause  a lot of bad blood.
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I don't think that a President at a joint press conference after a summit should publicly attack the other participant.

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You certainly don't lay the blame on your own country.

Let's face it, if Obama had said what Trump said, we would be calling for his head right now.

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You certainly don't lay the blame on your own country.

Let's face it, if Obama had said what Trump said, we would be calling for his head right now.

Trump would have better off if he didn't answer the question, stating it had been dealt with privately.
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Trump would have better off if he didn't answer the question, stating it had been dealt with privately.

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Disagree.  Any president, no matter his party affiliation, needs to be called out for foreign apology tours.

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Disagree.  Any president, no matter his party affiliation, needs to be called out for foreign apology tours.

Foreign apology tour? Not hardly. Just ask the NATO folks. Trump made several tactical errors. He should have had Pompeo in the meeting with Putin. Trump thinks he's a great communicator and he's not. He's inarticulate and should have told the reporter that the question was inappropriate. It was, and it was a setup. His own hubris landed him in hot water.
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I don't think that a President at a joint press conference after a summit should publicly attack the other participant.

Foreign apology tour? Not hardly. Just ask the NATO folks. Trump made several tactical errors. He should have had Pompeo in the meeting with Putin. Trump thinks he's a great communicator and he's not. He's inarticulate and should have told the reporter that the question was inappropriate. It was, and it was a setup. His own hubris landed him in hot water.

I think the question was entirely appropriate and in fact, inevitable, but I don’t think he needed to “attack the other participant” to avoid throwing his own Intelligence and National Security Community under the bus.  I think good staff work would have had a statement like the following ready for the President to say at the Press Conference when he was (inevitably) asked about Putin and Russian meddling:

“I have been and will continue to hold Russia accountable for meddling in past and future US elections.  Although President Putin has denied the meddling, Dan Coats and the rest of the Intelligence and National Security Community have provided me with the evidence of their involvement.  Further, 26 Russians have been indicted by our Department of Justice.  Regardless of these facts, I believe we can both hold Russia accountable along with improving relations with them all at the same time.  That is the challenge before us, and I believe, we together, are up to the task.”
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Foreign apology tour? Not hardly. Just ask the NATO folks. Trump made several tactical errors. He should have had Pompeo in the meeting with Putin. Trump thinks he's a great communicator and he's not. He's inarticulate and should have told the reporter that the question was inappropriate. It was, and it was a setup. His own hubris landed him in hot water.

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Yes, apology tour.  He placed all of the blame on this country.  If that's not an apology tour, the term is meaningless.

The Russian foreign ministry agreed with him, at least.


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Selling Uranium to Russia certainly gets a "stupid policy" grade in my book, Trump has also commented on how the Russians stole Crimea during the Obama administration, more stupid policy. It could mean that just as easily.

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Yes, apology tour.  He placed all of the blame on this country.  If that's not an apology tour, the term is meaningless.

The Russian foreign ministry agreed with him, at least.



I don't see an apology. I do see criticism of past policy, and, of course, his frustration at being framed. He is inarticulate and a narcissist. Too bad only narcissists apply for the job.

While I don't agree with your characterization, I think we agree the summit was botched by Trump.
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Do you people even realize who was in charge of our intelligence agencies at the time all this went down?  Not only did the fail to do anything about it.. it's very likely that they were complicit it getting it done!
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