Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[Bigun]

LOL. Hey slick. That's not what he said. He said in response to Reagan saying that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world: "You could say that about America, couldn't you?". When the shocked reporter asked him to expand on that he explained: "Same sex marriage". That isn't talking about families uniting. That's talking specifically about homosexuals. If he where talking about families uniting he would have retorted about divorce rates and out of wedlock kiddos.

Here is the full interview. It is uncut and is only 8 minutes. It's outrageous the Soviet love going on in it....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia

BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment. You wanna high five an America hating shitbag, feel free, but you are not getting away with spinning this mental retards words. We got them live on Candid effing Camera.

The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank!  YOU are FOS on this! Completely!

[Frank Cannon]

The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank!  YOU are FOS on this! Completely!

So you are saying he didn't say that in the interview? LOL. What? Did the Soviets doctor the interview?

[RoosGirl]

GD, can y'all get it the eff together?  You're talking about two different interviews.

[edpc]

BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment.

Somewhere, there’s a Fusion GPS dossier on you.

[Frank Cannon]

Somewhere, there’s a Fusion GPS dossier on you.

Where do you think the idea for that came from?

[Sighlass]

The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank!  YOU are FOS on this! Completely!

Yep.. and here is the actual audio of what Roy said... too bad the full question is cut off at the beginning...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_a_IXgV1hg

[Smokin Joe]

Lets look at his exact words you say is racist.

I didn't see the racism. I don't see how you did either. What I saw was people later taking things completely out of text and it saddens me.

I found the direct audio... will try to load it in mp3 format.

Nice try, but someone has their jihad on, and nothing, especially facts, will stop them. Bon chance!

[Smokin Joe]

He could have said "I think it was great at the time when families were united."  That spans a lot of American history, including the first hundred years or so when slavery was allowed.  It seems to me that he, rather clumsily, tried to explain why he thought America was great even during those times of slavery and on through until the decades that all families really started being split apart.

I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.

[DiogenesLamp]

I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.

[dfwgator]

"Go away...'batin'"

[Smokin Joe]

The outside row is distraction-- advertising to be sure, but intended to distract the player so they will have to put more money in to keep playing. It's revenue for the owner both ways, and may even slip in under the conscious radar to get them to 'buy popcorn', but not consciously considered by the player.

"Ow, My Balls!" is the level of conscious thought.

[RoosGirl]

I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.

And then there are the people who hear/read what they want.  At worst he was racially insensitive, but so what?  People decide whether or not they are going to be offended.  And even the best of us say things that don't come out exactly right the first time.  BFD.

[Smokin Joe]

And then there are the people who hear/read what they want.  At worst he was racially insensitive, but so what?  People decide whether or not they are going to be offended.  And even the best of us say things that don't come out exactly right the first time.  BFD.

QFT, BTDT, just recently. Even ordinarily rational people who have their minds made up they are going to be offended will be so, and will not be dissuaded from misinterpretation, even if their fallacy was refuted in plain language. 

[Silver Pines]

Modern zeitgeist??? 

That's what you call the concept that people should be free??  That's what you call NOT defending the purchase of human beings and their being treated as property??   That's what you call opposing the selling of wives and husbands, and children away from their families to other plantations, or excusing it because it didn't happen that often??  That's what you call being shocked that someone would say slavery was better because at least then blacks worked???

THAT is what you call "modern zeitgeist??"

What is going on on this forum??

Has loyalty to Roy Moore turned people inside out??  Defending trolling for children because there aren't enough older women who are "pure?"  Now saying slavery wasn't all that bad??

Or were some of you this way to begin with, and your love of Moore just tore away the façade??

If there are many of you who actually believe these things, then perhaps some of the rest of us need to find a more decent forum.

@musiclady

In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.

 I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate.  Number one, no candidate is perfect.  Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit.  But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored.  Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).

We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage.  If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy.  Literally.  You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros.  And his supporters will do their best to shout you down.  It's insane.  But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't.  No.  It won't. 

As for the slavery argument, I'm Southern born and raised.  I don't know much about my ancestors...I'd be surprised if any of them owned slaves.  Even if they did, I wouldn't apologize for it because I had absolutely zero to do with it.  But I understand slavery was a horrible thing, that because of it the South was destined to lose the war, and I'm not one of those people wanting the South to "rise" again, whatever that means.  I think we're doing fine.

To be honest, when I read someone put forth that, well, slave families weren't always broken up, you know, and hey, they were working!  And they had a roof and ate organic food....I don't know.  I don't know what planet I'm on because it isn't the thoughtful one I came to in April of 2016.

[DiogenesLamp]

We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage.  If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy.  Literally.  You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros.  And his supporters will do their best to shout you down.  It's insane.  But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't.  No.  It won't. 

No.   You don't get to install your own  narrative.   Two Kookbats accused Moore.   People in the Party such as yourself,  did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.     

Rather than look at contradicting evidence,  the entire party merely accepted the accusations,  denounced Moore,  and urged  Alabamans to vote for anyone else.   Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back.   (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)   


The truth is,  most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable"  whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them,   and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock)  dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.   


The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals,  and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do,  the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites. 


May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators. 

[Bigun]

No.   You don't get to install your own  narrative.   Two Kookbats accused Moore.   People in the Party such as yourself,  did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.     

Rather than look at contradicting evidence,  the entire party merely accepted the accusations,  denounced Moore,  and urged  Alabamans to vote for anyone else.   Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back.   (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)   


The truth is,  most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable"  whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them,   and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock)  dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.   


The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals,  and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do,  the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites. 


May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.

@DiogenesLamp

Well said and every word true!   

[Smokin Joe]

No.   You don't get to install your own  narrative.   Two Kookbats accused Moore.   People in the Party such as yourself,  did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.     

Rather than look at contradicting evidence,  the entire party merely accepted the accusations,  denounced Moore,  and urged  Alabamans to vote for anyone else.   Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back.   (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)   


The truth is,  most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable"  whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them,   and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock)  dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.   


The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals,  and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do,  the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites. 


May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.

Yep!

[Silver Pines]

No.   You don't get to install your own  narrative.   Two Kookbats accused Moore.   People in the Party such as yourself,  did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.     

Rather than look at contradicting evidence,  the entire party merely accepted the accusations,  denounced Moore,  and urged  Alabamans to vote for anyone else.   Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back.   (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)   


The truth is,  most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable"  whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them,   and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock)  dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.   


The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals,  and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do,  the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites. 


May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.

@DiogenesLamp

So I guess no lessons have been learned and you'll fall for the next nut who comes along.

Okay, but don't be surprised by the consequences.

[Concerned]

@musiclady

In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.

 I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate.  Number one, no candidate is perfect.  Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit.  But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored.  Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).

We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage.  If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy.  Literally.  You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros.  And his supporters will do their best to shout you down.  It's insane.  But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't.  No.  It won't. 

@CatherineofAragon

I agree with your assessment that there's a tremendous amount of anger, denial, and rage running rampant (often within folks with the same team jersey on).  I remain disappointed in the number of times that disagreement is met, not with substantive, counter-evidence or contrary data, but rather simply with personal attacks against the individual.  I find it quite sad that so much political disagreement has somehow recently come down to this.

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

So I guess no lessons have been learned and you'll fall for the next nut who comes along.

Oh it's clear that no lessons were learned.   You can't get around cognitive dissonance with mere facts.   Here you are trying to lecture me about the mote in my eye,  and it's just delightfully ironic. 

You still think what you did was right,  and it's just one more example of how there is just no getting through to people who really want to believe what they want to believe.   

And for what it's worth,  all candidates are nuts,  it's just the Media Attack machine focuses only on the nutty things our side says.   

Okay, but don't be surprised by the consequences.

I am rarely surprised by the consequences and when it happens I am usually pleasantly surprised.   I am a cynic,  and I normally expect people to do foolish things.   Unfortunately it is all too predictable. 


   

[catfish1957]

Never dreamed this thread would hit 1100+

Talk about a sore spot among the troops.

[DiogenesLamp]

Never dreamed this thread would hit 1100+

Talk about a sore spot among the troops.

How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!"  promise?   

Betrayed?   


How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax",  and was therefore legal? 


John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?   


How do you react to back stabbings? 

[Hoodat]

How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!"  promise?   

Betrayed?

I didn't feel betrayed.  I expected it.  Figured that one out eight years earlier.  GHWBush was the anti-Reagan.  Which is why I never voted for him.

How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax",  and was therefore legal? 

Didn't have a problem with that.  Roberts simply delayed the decision for a year.  The Betrayal came when Republicans declined to pursue the case once the tax went into effect.  I am fully confident that Roberts would have ruled the tax 'unconstitutional' once plaintiff established standing.

John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?   

Fully expected that one, too.   Which is why I didn't vote for him either.

[Cyber Liberty]

Fully expected that one, too.   Which is why I didn't vote for him [McCain] either.

Me neither.  I hadn't voted for rat-bastid McCain since the 80's.  Been in AZ almost 40 years....

[musiclady]

@musiclady

In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.

 I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate.  Number one, no candidate is perfect.  Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit.  But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored.  Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).

We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage.  If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy.  Literally.  You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros.  And his supporters will do their best to shout you down.  It's insane.  But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't.  No.  It won't. 

As for the slavery argument, I'm Southern born and raised.  I don't know much about my ancestors...I'd be surprised if any of them owned slaves.  Even if they did, I wouldn't apologize for it because I had absolutely zero to do with it.  But I understand slavery was a horrible thing, that because of it the South was destined to lose the war, and I'm not one of those people wanting the South to "rise" again, whatever that means.  I think we're doing fine.

To be honest, when I read someone put forth that, well, slave families weren't always broken up, you know, and hey, they were working!  And they had a roof and ate organic food....I don't know.  I don't know what planet I'm on because it isn't the thoughtful one I came to in April of 2016.

The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre.  The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.

Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.

Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.

Not at ALL.

@CatherineofAragon