Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[DiogenesLamp]

He wasn’t ‘handed’ anything. He created it. Bannon was endorsing Moore prior to the run off.

Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do if you are trying to insure a candidate that is not beholding to the Washington DC cronies club is selected.   


Bannon did exactly what any reasonable person in his situation would have done.   

[Frank Cannon]

Goldwater is a very good example of what happened.   


No doubt some people will just conclude he was a "bad"  candidate.

So Goldwater admitted to dating teenagers in his 30's, called the US a threat to the free world and had a spokesman publicly say that he wanted gays arrested?

[TomSea]

Moore may have won the Republican primary because outsider Bannon came in with full-support. That would take some study but the outsiders at Wapo may not have been the first. As said, it seems like one of the networks ran the graphic Moore only won in a 2011 race, 52-48%.

[edpc]

And your basis for claiming that Strange would have been effective at repelling the Democrat accusations of corruption is what?

I already explained that in the post you quoted.  He would’ve had more competent people around him to fend it off. Besides, he was endorsed at the outset by a president who won the state by a large margin.
   
Can I prove it? No – not anymore than you can prove he would’ve lost. The same argument has been raised concerning the presidential election and how other candidates may have performed against a terrible Democratic nominee.

It only exists in some parallel universe, so we will never know.  What we do know is Moore lost in a brick red state.

[DiogenesLamp]

The point of discourse for me today is to laugh and mock people who are circling the wagons around a piece of human shit who got fully rejected by a solid red state last night.

The pieces of human shit revealed to me are those who malign others on the bases of unsupported accusations against them by their political enemies.   


We are floating in an ocean of pretentious "Holier than thou"  judges.   This is the cesspool full of human sh*t. 

[Hoodat]

The same way they owed me an apology in November @Hoodat ?

@Right_in_Virginia

That would depend.  What do you feel you are owed an apology for?  Getting it right about Trump's chances of getting elected?  Sure, I have stated that more than once.  But an apology?  Not quite sure what for.

[edpc]

Bannon did exactly what any reasonable person in his situation would have done.

What situation? He was a private citizen by the time he was touting Roy Moore in August, prior to the runoff.  By previously stating the situation he was ‘handed,’ you make it sound like he came in at the 11th hour to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.

The fact is, he fed the chickens, shoveled the manure, put it in a bowl, stirred it, and served it up. Enjoy.

[XenaLee]

The quality of Moore as a candidate aside, anyone who joined the coyote chorus against him is also at knowing odds with everything that would've been possible by adding him the congress. It doesn't matter how much 'lets all us conservatives pull together' post election prattle you hear from them. Its all been heard before.

Thats just a plain fact.

I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.   

Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation.   Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election.  Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached?  I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump.  But....

 

[Frank Cannon]

The pieces of human shit revealed to me are those who malign others on the bases of unsupported accusations against them by their political enemies.   


We are floating in an ocean of pretentious "Holier than thou"  judges.   This is the cesspool full of human sh*t.

You can tie your wagon to the guy who defended himself when asked if he did this kiddy stuff said "No, not generally" or "It was not my customary behavior". Real resounding denial there.

I'll pass on that.

[Frank Cannon]

I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.   

Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation.   Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election.  Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached?  I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump.  But....

I love Trump. I hate Moore. I hated Moore before the allegations. So did Donny.

Time to put the thinking cap back on I guess.

[txradioguy]

It really scorches you to your core when the President is right, doesn't it @txradioguy   

Which time was he right?  When he endorsed the McConnell puppet Strange?  When he half heartedly endorsed Moore and made a "get out the vote" robocall for him?  Or today when he threw the man he endorsed under the bus Obama style?

[Hoodat]

Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral,  and he was lazy as hell to boot. 

@Jazzhead

It pains me greatly to say this, but I agree.  Especially on the 'lazy' part.

[skeeter]

You can tie your wagon to the guy who defended himself when asked if he did this kiddy stuff said "No, not generally" or "It was not my customary behavior". Real resounding denial there.

I'll pass on that.

Well I do not believe last nights results make Trump’s job going forward any easier.

[edpc]

I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.

Yes, because it’s really odd a group thinking ‘there must be a better representative of my views’ would still feel that way a year later.   

[Smokin Joe]

He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage,   and so do I.    I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore,    but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10,  because it's easier to mock than it is to think,   and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.

He's busy mocking the tenth. Didn't even make it past there.

[dfwgator]

@Jazzhead

It pains me greatly to say this, but I agree.  Especially on the 'lazy' part.

He went "Full Hillary" the last week of the election, thought he had it in the bag.

[XenaLee]

Yes, because it’s really odd a group thinking ‘there must be a better representative of my views’ would still feel that way a year later.   

Sarc away.... but the fact remains.... that those opposed to Moore in order to "get Trump" or stick it to Trump due to their hatred and bias against him just took a giant step towards handing the keys of the nation back to the enemy within.... the DemocRats.  Roll your eyes on that fact.

[Smokin Joe]

Oh, stop whining, Applewood.   Mo Brooks and Luther Strange are good conservatives, and either would have coasted to victory with the full support of the Republican party.  Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral,  and he was lazy as hell to boot. 

The GOP, and President Trump, dodged a bullet with the defeat of this assclown.   The voters rejected Moore just as they elected President Trump.   May the voters' choices be respected.   

Funny you say that now, but when 81% of the voters in Alabama voted to pass a Constitutional Amendment to their State Constitution saying that marriage is only between one man and one woman, you have no problem with overruling them with one stinking Federal Judge who should have no Constitutional Authority at all per the Tenth Amendment.

You can't have it both ways, and your Hypocrisy has been on prominent display, even as you gloat. You got what you wanted to see: someone who supports thrid trimester abortion, who supports gun control, and the rest of the liberal agenda and you are gloating about it while claiming to be a conservative.

Nice. 

[Sanguine]

I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.   

Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation.   Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election.  Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached?  I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump.  But....

Well, in all fairness, Trump was against him before he was for him...

[Smokin Joe]

British Royals aren't eligible for office in the US.

[XenaLee]

I love Trump. I hate Moore. I hated Moore before the allegations. So did Donny.

Time to put the thinking cap back on I guess.

Not really.   Unless....

you are speaking for all of the anti-Trump/Trump haters.

[massadvj]

I don't blame the anti-Trump Republicans so much as the failure of the religious types in the rural areas to turn out.  It shows that sliming Moore with the sexual stuff had its desired effect on many religious conservatives.  Because they had doubts, they stayed home.  Moore also made a serious mistake in failing to show his face in public toward the end.

[XenaLee]

Well, in all fairness, Trump was against him before he was for him...

Lol!  Look, I am no cheerleading Trump fan... as most here should know by now.  BUT... (and that's a big one)...

giving the Democrats a win of ANY KIND is a huge mistake and one that America and Americans will pay dearly for.  As we also know... the rats & Soros have been working diligently behind the scenes to regain power and control.  We simply can't let that happen. 

But oddly enough... it seems that many (even here on this forum) are only too happy to do just that.... ie give the Democrats a win and allow them to regain power and majority control.  Now... I don't give a damn, really, what their motivation for doing that is... whether it's hatred of Trump or their love of leftism.  I oppose it and I oppose them.  Vehemently.

[edpc]

Sarc away.... but the fact remains.... that those opposed to Moore in order to "get Trump" or stick it to Trump due to their hatred and bias against him just took a giant step towards handing the keys of the nation back to the enemy within.... the DemocRats.  Roll your eyes on that fact.

I will, because the only people on any position to 'get Trump' were the AL voters that turned out in much larger numbers last Nov and gave him 62% of the vote.  These are voters that heard Trump get maligned much heavier and longer than Moore.  They didn't believe in Roy.  Why should anyone outside AL?

[Free Vulcan]

I don't blame the anti-Trump Republicans so much as the failure of the religious types in the rural areas to turn out.  It shows that sliming Moore with the sexual stuff had its desired effect on many religious conservatives.  Because they had doubts, they stayed home.  Moore also made a serious mistake in failing to show his face in public toward the end.

What the Moore-hating doofuses don't realize is that the Dems do this in every race. They did it to my candidates when I was running their campaign, now they've taken it up another level with Moore.

Expect every candidate from here to get Cained and Cruzed, and watch the oh so morally superior so-called conservatives run and hide on every one.