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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1125 on: December 15, 2017, 10:55:56 pm »

No.   You don't get to install your own  narrative.   Two Kookbats accused Moore.   People in the Party such as yourself,  did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.     

Rather than look at contradicting evidence,  the entire party merely accepted the accusations,  denounced Moore,  and urged  Alabamans to vote for anyone else.   Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back.   (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)   


The truth is,  most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable"  whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them,   and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock)  dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.   

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The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre.  The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.

Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.

Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.

Not at ALL.

Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her.  My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.



Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs. 

She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.

I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.

Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.

Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.



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Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.

Have a great day... (spreading lies)



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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1126 on: December 15, 2017, 11:11:53 pm »
The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre.  The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.

Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.

Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.

Not at ALL.

@CatherineofAragon

Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1127 on: December 16, 2017, 12:20:15 am »

How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!"  promise?   

Betrayed?   


How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax",  and was therefore legal? 


John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?   


How do you react to back stabbings?

Lol....I was just observing the volume of posts, not taking a specific side.  You sure made my point.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1128 on: December 16, 2017, 12:25:37 am »
Lol....I was just observing the volume of posts, not taking a specific side.  You sure made my point.

Kinda like Taylor Swift coming under fire for not running her mouth about politics.

Frankly both sides can consider me the enemy and KMA.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1129 on: December 16, 2017, 07:20:06 am »
@CatherineofAragon

I agree with your assessment that there's a tremendous amount of anger, denial, and rage running rampant (often within folks with the same team jersey on).  I remain disappointed in the number of times that disagreement is met, not with substantive, counter-evidence or contrary data, but rather simply with personal attacks against the individual.  I find it quite sad that so much political disagreement has somehow recently come down to this.

@Concerned

I just really think it all boils down to a desperate, and misguided, conviction that politicians can save us. 

That, and a rage at the media and the left that has twisted out of control.  I understand feeling angry over the years of journalistic bias and the crap the left has gotten away with.  But we’re at the point where that rage has blinded us.  If a politician nurses that rage by grandstanding and spouting bombastic crap and making liberal heads explode, we’ll fall over ourselves to get behind him.  And by God you better not speak against him, because he GETS it.  Past misdeeds?  Shut up!  Never happened!  Fake news!

God knows I’m no intellectual but even I can see that conservatives have to start THINKING again.  All we’re doing right now is reacting.  That’s giving the left too much power over us, and it’s going to end in tears.

It already has.




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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1130 on: December 16, 2017, 07:26:53 am »
The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre.  The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.

Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.

Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.

Not at ALL.

@CatherineofAragon

@musiclady

I hope you’re right, and that it will.  Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion.  Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again.  Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes. 

We better get a grip.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1131 on: December 16, 2017, 07:38:35 am »
@musiclady

I hope you’re right, and that it will.  Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion.  Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again.  Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes. 

We better get a grip.

In behaving like liberals, they've become liberals.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1132 on: December 16, 2017, 09:49:02 am »
Give till it hurts suckers.  :silly:

Roy Moore fundraising for 'election integrity fund' ahead of election certification
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1133 on: December 16, 2017, 09:59:54 am »
Thank you @DiogenesLamp

Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her.  My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.



Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs. 

She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.

I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.

Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.

Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.



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Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.

Have a great day... (spreading lies)
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1134 on: December 16, 2017, 10:00:06 am »
Give till it hurts suckers.  :silly:

Roy Moore fundraising for 'election integrity fund' ahead of election certification
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1136 on: December 16, 2017, 10:11:09 am »
@musiclady

I hope you’re right, and that it will.  Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion.  Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again.  Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes. 

We better get a grip.

There definitely has been a snowflake-like refusal to deal with differing opinions around here, and emotionally driven replies by a few, complete with mockery and tongue lashings when legitimate arguments were made against their candidate.

In addition, it's been notable that when the polls showed Moore ahead, we were told how wise the voters of Alabama were, and that they would make the right decision, but when they rejected Moore on election day, it magically became someone else's fault, and not Moore's himself, that he lost.  There's still a lot of whining going on from these grown-up male conservatives.

Not unlike the Dems behaved about Hillary's loss, methinks.....


As I said before, I hope some of these stalwart conservatives reactivate their brains, and soon, and realize that, no matter how much they love him, Moore, like Hillary, was a very bad candidate, not a conservative hero, and that's where the fault lies.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1137 on: December 16, 2017, 10:19:05 am »

Quote from: Sighlass on December 15, 2017, 10:55:56 pm
Thank you @DiogenesLamp

Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her.  My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.



Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs. 

She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.

I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.

Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.

Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.



________________

Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.

Have a great day... (spreading lies)

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1138 on: December 16, 2017, 10:27:03 am »
@Cripplecreek

The Benny Hinn of politics.

Panhandling for a recount nobody's asking for and probably won't happen, anyway.  The Jill Stein of 2017.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1139 on: December 16, 2017, 10:54:10 am »
Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.

There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.

It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1140 on: December 16, 2017, 11:14:35 am »
There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.

It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1141 on: December 16, 2017, 11:22:53 am »
There definitely has been a snowflake-like refusal to deal with differing opinions around here, and emotionally driven replies ...

Says the poster who has lived on this thread for five days swimming in emotion of her own making.   *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1142 on: December 16, 2017, 11:29:56 am »
Thank you @DiogenesLamp

Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her.  My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.



Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs. 

She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.

I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.

Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.

Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.



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Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.

Have a great day...

Thanks for introducing us to your mom, she reminds me of my own.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1143 on: December 16, 2017, 11:33:22 am »
Thanks for introducing us to your mom, she reminds me of my own.

Though the names may change this fight ain’t over. Glad we share the same foxhole.

Ditto on both counts.

Glad that both of you are here as well, Skeeter and Sighlass!

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1144 on: December 16, 2017, 11:42:27 am »
Ditto on both counts.

Glad that both of you are here as well, Skeeter and Sighlass!
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« Reply #1145 on: December 16, 2017, 02:21:37 pm »
Thank you @DiogenesLamp


You are welcome.   Some of us see past the superficial. 


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1146 on: December 16, 2017, 02:22:33 pm »
Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.


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« Reply #1147 on: December 16, 2017, 02:28:51 pm »
@Concerned

I just really think it all boils down to a desperate, and misguided, conviction that politicians can save us. 

That, and a rage at the media and the left that has twisted out of control.  I understand feeling angry over the years of journalistic bias and the crap the left has gotten away with.  But we’re at the point where that rage has blinded us.  If a politician nurses that rage by grandstanding and spouting bombastic crap and making liberal heads explode, we’ll fall over ourselves to get behind him.  And by God you better not speak against him, because he GETS it.  Past misdeeds?  Shut up!  Never happened!  Fake news!

God knows I’m no intellectual but even I can see that conservatives have to start THINKING again.  All we’re doing right now is reacting.  That’s giving the left too much power over us, and it’s going to end in tears.

It already has.


You can philosophize or you can act.    We've had philosophizing from William Buckley et al for nigh on 60 years,   and he and they have yet to throw a stumbling block in the path of the Liberal Socialist Juggernaut. 

The left wing politicians of the 1960s look like right wing extremist kooks nowadays.   The nation has move inexorably left,   and all the navel gazing in the world has done nothing to halt the skew.   


Finally people are starting to realize that the media systems are Democrat propaganda agencies,  and finally people are taking steps to nullify their manipulation of elections.   It is perfectly reasonable that  they should embrace the sorts of people who are talking about finally taking action instead of just talking some more.   

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1148 on: December 16, 2017, 02:33:12 pm »
In behaving like liberals, they've become liberals.

"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory. Its an admission of defeat.


So when you shoot Nazis,  this makes you into Nazis?    What sort of weapon do you suggest we use against enemies?   Flowers?   

Pontificate about how we don't want to be like them while doing nothing to stop it,  and you will become like them because they  will conquer you. 


A plan that doesn't stop anything is not a plan.   It's a surrender to the inevitable. 


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #1149 on: December 16, 2017, 02:38:03 pm »
There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.


Statements like this convince me that some people utterly have no grasps of the social dynamics at work.   Yes,  it was pretty much only the accusations that brought him down.   That and the backstabbing by his own "allies".   


It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.


It's not as complicated as you pretend it is.   Moore won statewide election in 2013.   It is a virtual certainty he would have won this one too in absence of accusations and backstabbing.   

15-28 points ahead in the polls prior to accusations?   Yeah,  it really is as simple as the evidence demonstrates. 


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