New Study Shows Gay Men Have Variation Of DNA Over Straight men

[Sanguine]

It's very heartening to see that so many of us who disagree vociferously about smallish things are in almost complete agreement about the one big thing.    ^-^

[roamer_1]

I agree that a conservative needs to have a firm moral grounding, and to try his/her level best to live in accordance with such moral grounding on a daily basis.   The Church, can, of course, provide such a grounding.

But a "social conservative" has a specific political meaning, and includes the idea that the government enforce "Biblical" morality,  including behavior that can objectively be seen as victimless.   That's certainly not what many conservatives believe - many want government to be essentially limited, and to keep its nose out of the bedroom as well as the boardroom.   The government, of course, has a role to play with respect to the redress of rights violations,  and to administer the law fairly and in accordance with the principle of equal protection.   But too many social conservatives, like Roy Moore, scoff at the notion of equal protection, at least with respect to folks unlike themselves.    The Constitutional separation of church and state is one of the pillars of our Republic,  and must be defended against those who would prefer a theocracy.   

There is no moral vacuum. This government, if it eschews the Laws of YHWH, is promoting another morality, and in that, another law. In the words of Bob Dylan, 'You've Got To Serve Somebody'.

Without the observance of YHWH's Law of Liberty, there will be no liberty at all. 

[sneakypete]

WHY is anyone studying this,and what difference does it make what they discover?

After all,you are NOT going to change your DNA if you don't like the test results.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

WHY is anyone studying this,and what difference does it make what they discover?

After all,you are NOT going to change your DNA if you don't like the test results.

it is a political agenda, SP.  If certain types can be found to have 'no choice but to be immoral', then they become a protected class and the Bible becomes hate speech.

[Smokin Joe]

WHY is anyone studying this,and what difference does it make what they discover?

After all,you are NOT going to change your DNA if you don't like the test results.

Well, if it is genetic, than they have an excuse that absolves them of choice (and responsibility) in their behaviour--at least in their mind.

[Restored]

it is a political agenda, SP.  If certain types can be found to have 'no choice but to be immoral', then they become a protected class and the Bible becomes hate speech.

If you say you are gay but you don't pass the "gay test", then what? Is it a choice?
There will never be a scientific reason to be gay for that reason. It's always going to be "I am gay because I feel gay and that is definitive science".

[sneakypete]

Well, if it is genetic, than they have an excuse that absolves them of choice (and responsibility) in their behaviour--at least in their mind.

@Smokin Joe

Only to those who assume anybody OWES them an explanation for anything.

After all,who died and made any of you God?

[sneakypete]

If you say you are gay but you don't pass the "gay test", then what? Is it a choice?

@Restored

ALL of you,PLEASE stop with this "gay" nonsense. These people are HOMOSEXUALS. They may be happy,they may be sad,or they may be anything else,but "gay" is NOT a sexual orientation.

I've known some homosexual people of both genders my whole life,and am even related to some of them,and I have a hard time thinking any group of people who are LESS happy than homosexuals. The whole "gay" thing is just a PR move by the homosexuals to make homosexuality to appear to be something desirable.

NOT that it is something shameful. Being ashamed of being a homosexual would rate right up there with being left-handed or color blind.

The ONLY people who have a choice of sexuality are bi-sexuals,and I suspect,but don't know for sure that most of them have an actual preference. Even then they had no choice about being bi-sexuals. The only choice that have is the choice of whom to participate or not participate in sexual activity with.

When you insist on playing the propaganda word games of the left,all you are doing is encouraging them to keep at it.

STOP!

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Only to those who assume anybody OWES them an explanation for anything.

After all,who died and made any of you God?

First off I'm not The Almighty, and He has spoken. You may choose to believe what you will, but I believe he so thoroughly destroyed two cities over this that their remains still have not been found.

But those of us who recognize that, are constantly hearing people who behave unnaturally (because that really isn't what those parts are designed/adapted to do, and there are some considerable negative anatomical and physiological effects for acts which do nothing to benefit the species) not only want the rest of us to celebrate their deviated behaviour, but want to justify it to us as some sort of unavoidable part of their nature.

We really don't have to ask, they won't shut up.

[aligncare]

@Smokin Joe

Only to those who assume anybody OWES them an explanation for anything.

After all,who died and made any of you God?

You take this liberty thing pretty serious...

You are correct of course, Americans died for our liberties. –and our right to be free from Big Brother and nosey neighbors.

 

[roamer_1]

My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died!
Land of the Pilgrim's pride!
From every mountain side,
Let freedom ring!

My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love.
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture fills
Like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom's song.
Let mortal tongues awake;
Let all that breathe partake;
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.

Our father's God to, Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing.
Long may our land be bright
With freedom's holy light;
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God, our King!

[sneakypete]

You take this liberty thing pretty serious...

You are correct of course, Americans died for our liberties. –and our right to be free from Big Brother and nosey neighbors.

 

@aligncare

Thank you! It is refreshing to hear someone say that.

[sneakypete]

My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died!
Land of the Pilgrim's pride!
From every mountain side,
Let freedom ring!

My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love.
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture fills
Like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom's song.
Let mortal tongues awake;
Let all that breathe partake;
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.

Our father's God to, Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing.
Long may our land be bright
With freedom's holy light;
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God, our King!

@roamer_1

You do know that's just a song that has no more meaning than "Lola" or any other song,right?

[roamer_1]

    Eternal Father, strong to save,
    Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
    Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
    Its own appointed limits keep:
    O hear us when we cry to thee
    For those in peril on the sea.

    O Christ, the Lord of hill and plain
    O'er which our traffic runs amain
    By mountain pass or valley low;
    Wherever, Lord, thy brethren go,
    Protect them by thy guarding hand
    From every peril on the land.

    O Spirit, whom the Father sent
    To spread abroad the firmament;
    O Wind of heaven, by thy might
    Save all who dare the eagle's flight,
    And keep them by thy watchful care
    From every peril in the air.

    O Trinity of love and power,
    Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
    From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
    Protect them whereso'er they go,
    Thus evermore shall rise to thee
    Glad praise from air and land and sea.

[musiclady]

    Eternal Father, strong to save,
    Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
    Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
    Its own appointed limits keep:
    O hear us when we cry to thee
    For those in peril on the sea.

    O Christ, the Lord of hill and plain
    O'er which our traffic runs amain
    By mountain pass or valley low;
    Wherever, Lord, thy brethren go,
    Protect them by thy guarding hand
    From every peril on the land.

    O Spirit, whom the Father sent
    To spread abroad the firmament;
    O Wind of heaven, by thy might
    Save all who dare the eagle's flight,
    And keep them by thy watchful care
    From every peril in the air.

    O Trinity of love and power,
    Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
    From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
    Protect them whereso'er they go,
    Thus evermore shall rise to thee
    Glad praise from air and land and sea.

One of my favorite hymns.  Loaded with depth and meaning.

[aligncare]

@aligncare

Thank you! It is refreshing to hear someone say that.

You’re welcome. Being a drummer myself I always liked the aphorism ‘march to the beat of a different drummer.’

I believe we have the right to live life as we see fit, harming no one, unswayed by the judgment of others, but always pursuing our life’s passions. I get the sense that describes you, too.

[sneakypete]

You’re welcome. Being a drummer myself I always liked the aphorism ‘march to the beat of a different drummer.’

I believe we have the right to live life as we see fit, harming no one, unswayed by the judgment of others, but always pursuing our life’s passions. I get the sense that describes you, too.

@aligncare

It does. In fact,you did a better job of articulating it that I have ever done.

Seems like too many people have a hard time grasping the basic FACT that if we grant the government the authority to control the private lives of ONE group of citizens,or even DEMAND they have these powers,they also have the authority or power to control the private lives of ALL of us.

And yes,this DOES include how you worship God,and even what God is determined to be the One True God.

We are either ALL free,or NONE of us are free.

[Suppressed]

I was walking home from church one day, and I passed a house on fire. There were people screaming for help, and I was about to move the obstruction blocking the door, but then I remembered the morning's sermon: Be Christlike.

So I refused to save them unless they met my conditions.  Some didn't, so I let them burn.


Is that really how it is?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I agree that a conservative needs to have a firm moral grounding, and to try his/her level best to live in accordance with such moral grounding on a daily basis.   The Church, can, of course, provide such a grounding.

But a "social conservative" has a specific political meaning, and includes the idea that the government enforce "Biblical" morality,  including behavior that can objectively be seen as victimless.   That's certainly not what many conservatives believe - many want government to be essentially limited, and to keep its nose out of the bedroom as well as the boardroom.   The government, of course, has a role to play with respect to the redress of rights violations,  and to administer the law fairly and in accordance with the principle of equal protection.   But too many social conservatives, like Roy Moore, scoff at the notion of equal protection, at least with respect to folks unlike themselves.    The Constitutional separation of church and state is one of the pillars of our Republic,  and must be defended against those who would prefer a theocracy.   

Your base remains on sand as you use human-dictated morality to establish it, not God's declared Word.

The Founders knew exactly what base to use, and it is rock-solid.

As such, you have no base.

[Suppressed]

The Founders knew exactly what base to use, and it is rock-solid.

Yes, Thomas Jefferson was so proud of the separation of church and state, and the freedom to choose a religion (not just Christianity), that he chose it as one of the three things to be mentioned on his memorial stone.

[Taxcontrol]

Well,  if it is genetic, then it has the high probability of being detected in early childhood and TREATED via gene therapy.  This could lead to the elimination of those that carry the mutation and treatment for those afflicted before sexuality is established.  In a generation or two, perhaps even the total elimination of homosexuality.

.... think about it.

[Restored]

I was walking home from church one day, and I passed a house on fire. There were people screaming for help, and I was about to move the obstruction blocking the door, but then I remembered the morning's sermon: Be Christlike.

So I refused to save them unless they met my conditions.  Some didn't, so I let them burn.


Is that really how it is?

No. You would try to save them but they would keep running back into the burning building. That's how it works.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Yes, Thomas Jefferson was so proud of the separation of church and state, and the freedom to choose a religion (not just Christianity), that he chose it as one of the three things to be mentioned on his memorial stone.

Yes, he has a solid memorial of his death.  Wonder why that little aspect did not find its way into the document he helped construct?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Well,  if it is genetic, then it has the high probability of being detected in early childhood and TREATED via gene therapy.  This could lead to the elimination of those that carry the mutation and treatment for those afflicted before sexuality is established.  In a generation or two, perhaps even the total elimination of homosexuality.

.... think about it.

I have thought about it, a lot.

Peril Resides In The Promise of Gene Editing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2017/12/15/genomics/?utm_term=.64bc119d5929

[sneakypete]

I agree that a conservative needs to have a firm moral grounding, and to try his/her level best to live in accordance with such moral grounding on a daily basis.   The Church, can, of course, provide such a grounding.

But a "social conservative" has a specific political meaning, and includes the idea that the government enforce "Biblical" morality,  including behavior that can objectively be seen as victimless.   That's certainly not what many conservatives believe - many want government to be essentially limited, and to keep its nose out of the bedroom as well as the boardroom.   The government, of course, has a role to play with respect to the redress of rights violations,  and to administer the law fairly and in accordance with the principle of equal protection.   But too many social conservatives, like Roy Moore, scoff at the notion of equal protection, at least with respect to folks unlike themselves.    The Constitutional separation of church and state is one of the pillars of our Republic,  and must be defended against those who would prefer a theocracy.   

@Jazzhead

WELL STATED!

[sneakypete]

There is no moral vacuum. This government, if it eschews the Laws of YHWH, is promoting another morality, and in that, another law. In the words of Bob Dylan, 'You've Got To Serve Somebody'.

Without the observance of YHWH's Law of Liberty, there will be no liberty at all.

@roamer_1

And the prime difference between you and the Taliban is......?

Do NOT try to claim that Christianity is any less brutal. History proves that to be a lie. Dictatorships dictate,and there ain't no such critter as a Dictatorship where the people live free.

On the other hand,this IS a free country,and if YOU  or anyone else CHOOSES to live according to cult laws instead of Constitutional laws,that is your right. You just don't have the right to DEMAND the rest of us live according to them.

[sneakypete]

it is a political agenda, SP.  If certain types can be found to have 'no choice but to be immoral', then they become a protected class and the Bible becomes hate speech.

@IsailedawayfromFR

The Bible pretty much IS hate speech.

Unless of course you think damning people to an eternity of burning in Hells Fire for having sex,not attending cult meetings,getting drunk,etc,etc,etc is a kind and loving thing to do.

[sneakypete]

Well, if it is genetic, than they have an excuse that absolves them of choice (and responsibility) in their behaviour--at least in their mind.

@Smokin Joe

That's true,but WHY does any adult have to justify legal behavior to anyone in a free country? That is the question that should be asked first.

[sneakypete]

Well,  if it is genetic, then it has the high probability of being detected in early childhood and TREATED via gene therapy.  This could lead to the elimination of those that carry the mutation and treatment for those afflicted before sexuality is established.  In a generation or two, perhaps even the total elimination of homosexuality.

.... think about it.

@Taxcontrol

And HOW would that be a bad thing,even in the minds of the vast majority of the homosexuals,who want nothing as much as they want to be accepted as what we laughingly call "normal"?

WHY do you think they are making such an effort to be considered to be "mainstream"? I suspect life is a living hell for most teen homosexuals.

[sneakypete]

I have thought about it, a lot.

Peril Resides In The Promise of Gene Editing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2017/12/15/genomics/?utm_term=.64bc119d5929

@To-Whose-Benefit?

You are 100 percent correct. That is a prime example of WHY government must be monitored and controlled by an informed citizenry.

And it's not just because of this subject. Seems like most new technology has the ability to be abused by those in charge,and this is why government needs to be kept on a short chain.

It is also up to use to make sure we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are STILL members of religious cults today that allow their children to die rather than have them receive life-saving medical treatment "because it is Gawd's will!"

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@To-Whose-Benefit?

You are 100 percent correct. That is a prime example of WHY government must be monitored and controlled by an informed citizenry.

And it's not just because of this subject. Seems like most new technology has the ability to be abused by those in charge,and this is why government needs to be kept on a short chain.

It is also up to use to make sure we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are STILL members of religious cults today that allow their children to die rather than have them receive life-saving medical treatment "because it is Gawd's will!"

@sneakypete


All the way back to fire Pete.

Use it to keep from freezing to death, or use it to burn someone else to death.


"Govt is like fire, a dangerous servant and a terrible master."
George Washington

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

The Bible pretty much IS hate speech.

Unless of course you think damning people to an eternity of burning in Hells Fire for having sex,not attending cult meetings,getting drunk,etc,etc,etc is a kind and loving thing to do.

The simple thing to think about is whether there is a Creator or not. If there is, then the Bible is indeed hate speech, but since it is His Bible, it is His hate speech.  One adhers to it or faces the consequences.

If, however, one believes there is no Creator, then one has no problem, as there are no morals that concern you, and BTW, there is no Constitution governing this country anyway as it was made subservient to God.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

And the prime difference between you and the Taliban is......?

Do NOT try to claim that Christianity is any less brutal. History proves that to be a lie. Dictatorships dictate,and there ain't no such critter as a Dictatorship where the people live free.

On the other hand,this IS a free country,and if YOU  or anyone else CHOOSES to live according to cult laws instead of Constitutional laws,that is your right. You just don't have the right to DEMAND the rest of us live according to them.

Right. I hear that one all the time... But the most brutal places on earth are those where the state deems religion to be false. In fact, I can think of no more benign place than the Christian West, when it comes to tolerance. In fact, we've gone past the art form and turned it into a fault.

And your absurd statement regarding my DEMANDS - Utter pap.
The demand is for a unified and singular moral code - ONE right and wrong. Anything else is impossible to govern.
That moral code, for as long as we have been in existence, has been the Judeo-Christian Ethic. That is what our laws and precedence are written for. That is what was here when we were free, and the further we slide from it, the more our liberty slips away.

Relative Morality will be our doom.

[roamer_1]

@IsailedawayfromFR

The Bible pretty much IS hate speech.

Unless of course you think damning people to an eternity of burning in Hells Fire for having sex,not attending cult meetings,getting drunk,etc,etc,etc is a kind and loving thing to do.

LOL! Maybe you should read it sometime and find out what it actually does say.

[sneakypete]

The simple thing to think about is whether there is a Creator or not. If there is, then the Bible is indeed hate speech, but since it is His Bible, it is His hate speech.  One adhers to it or faces the consequences.

If, however, one believes there is no Creator, then one has no problem, as there are no morals that concern you, and BTW, there is no Constitution governing this country anyway as it was made subservient to God.

@IsailedawayfromFR

You are assuming of course that there IS an "Almighty God",but he STILL needed men to scribble his thoughts on clay tablets and goat skin paper.

IF there is a God,I suspect he/she/it/whatever is more than capable of letting his/etc thoughts be known directly,and IF God exists,he is laughing his ass off at the antics of  his "ant farm",amazed that humans are so foolish as to accept the scribbling's of long-dead charlatans and opportunists seeking power are swallowed whole by so many,or just doesn't give a damn one way or the other because this was all nothing more than a high school science display for him.

There is a 99 percent chance the whole thing is nothing more than smoke and mirrors,though. The old lame "there MUST be a God or how could the world have been created?" explanation as "proof" of his existence immediately shuts down questioning when you ask them "If that is true,who created God?"

[musiclady]

Right. I hear that one all the time... But the most brutal places on earth are those where the state deems religion to be false. In fact, I can think of no more benign place than the Christian West, when it comes to tolerance. In fact, we've gone past the art form and turned it into a fault.

And your absurd statement regarding my DEMANDS - Utter pap.
The demand is for a unified and singular moral code - ONE right and wrong. Anything else is impossible to govern.
That moral code, for as long as we have been in existence, has been the Judeo-Christian Ethic. That is what our laws and precedence are written for. That is what was here when we were free, and the further we slide from it, the more our liberty slips away.

Relative Morality will be our doom.

Another great post @roamer_1 .

But the truth of what you say has a difficult time passing through a sealed mind and a hate-filled heart.

[Smokin Joe]

@roamer_1

And the prime difference between you and the Taliban is......?

Do NOT try to claim that Christianity is any less brutal. History proves that to be a lie. Dictatorships dictate,and there ain't no such critter as a Dictatorship where the people live free.

On the other hand,this IS a free country,and if YOU  or anyone else CHOOSES to live according to cult laws instead of Constitutional laws,that is your right. You just don't have the right to DEMAND the rest of us live according to them.

History proves that anyone with power and wealth will, sooner or later, use it to nefarious ends.
Power Corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Despite your ranting about the largest and most powerful organizations of Christianity, there are no secular organizations which have been free of corruption, abuse of power, and when possible subjugation and abuse of people. That doesn't make it right, but there are many in those same organizations who have done, and continue to do good as well.

[Oceander]

Is this dumb thread still going?

[Restored]

@roamer_1

And the prime difference between you and the Taliban is......?

He doesn't have any affect on other people's lives and the Taliban killed mass amounts of people?
And the prime difference between you and an over-dramatic 8th grade girl is......?

[Oceander]

Apparently, it is.

[Restored]

IF there is a God,I suspect he/she/it/whatever is more than capable of letting his/etc thoughts be known directly,and IF God exists,he is laughing his ass off at the antics of  his "ant farm",amazed that humans are so foolish as to accept the scribbling's of long-dead charlatans and opportunists seeking power are swallowed whole by so many,or just doesn't give a damn one way or the other because this was all nothing more than a high school science display for him.

Translation: There is no God but here is what He is like.
Brilliant. It's why I left the Atheist church. Too many atheists sat around obsessing and hating on a God that they said didn't exist. That's not even logical.

[Sanguine]

Is this dumb thread still going?

'Fraid so.   

[Restored]

Apparently, it is.

Thank you for your efforts to keep it going. You are the wind beneath our wings

[driftdiver]

@roamer_1

And the prime difference between you and the Taliban is......?

Do NOT try to claim that Christianity is any less brutal. History proves that to be a lie. Dictatorships dictate,and there ain't no such critter as a Dictatorship where the people live free.

On the other hand,this IS a free country,and if YOU  or anyone else CHOOSES to live according to cult laws instead of Constitutional laws,that is your right. You just don't have the right to DEMAND the rest of us live according to them.

@sneakypete

History clearly shows Muslims take the bacon when it comes to brutality.   They have for 1400 years.   Christians have done some bad things but its not systemic.

To even make that argument is just plain silly.

[Oceander]

Thank you for your efforts to keep it going. You are the wind beneath our wings

Whatever

[sneakypete]

Right. I hear that one all the time... But the most brutal places on earth are those where the state deems religion to be false. In fact, I can think of no more benign place than the Christian West, when it comes to tolerance. In fact, we've gone past the art form and turned it into a fault.

@roamer_1

One of the biggest piles of crap I have ever heard in my entire life.

What you are doing is focusing on MAYBE the last 50 years in the west,while totally ignoring thousands of years of brutality,torture,and murder at the very hands of the people proclaimed as the most pious.

AND.....,ONLY because enough people got tired of that crap that laws were passed limiting the power of organized religion. Which people like you protest against on a daily basis as you call for a "return to our spiritual roots".

And your absurd statement regarding my DEMANDS - Utter pap.
The demand is for a unified and singular moral code - ONE right and wrong. Anything else is impossible to govern

.

OK,no problem. Let's toss yours aside and use mine. After all,yours wants a return to the "good old days",where the Bible is the Law of the Land. I DO give MOST of you credit for choosing the "NEW AND IMPROVED WORD OF GAWD!" instead of the Old Testament,but the true fundies will be working hard and promoting a return to the "Original Word of Gawd" the very next day.

That moral code, for as long as we have been in existence, has been the Judeo-Christian Ethic. That is what our laws and precedence are written for. That is what was here when we were free, and the further we slide from it, the more our liberty slips away.

One of the biggest lies ever told,and the saddest part is you believe it yourself.

Relative Morality will be our doom.

Yeah,causen hit worked so gud in the past,huh?

Tell  ya what. If you want to fondle snakes,institute religious courts,etc,etc,etc,you just have right at it for you and yours. Leave me out of it.

[sneakypete]

LOL! Maybe you should read it sometime and find out what it actually does say.

@roamer_1

I DID read it. By the time I was in the 5th grade. And rejected it.

Granted,I didn't bother to have a cult leader decode it for me to tell me what it REALLY meant instead of what it stated. My bad.

[sneakypete]

Another great post @roamer_1 .

But the truth of what you say has a difficult time passing through a sealed mind and a hate-filled heart.

@musiclady

I resent the implication. I subscribe to no religion.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

I DID read it. By the time I was in the 5th grade. And rejected it.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Granted,I didn't bother to have a cult leader decode it for me to tell me what it REALLY meant instead of what it stated. My bad.

Ahh... would you care to venture a guess which 'cult leader' I follow?

[sneakypete]

ROTFLMAO!!!

Ahh... would you care to venture a guess which 'cult leader' I follow?

@roamer_1

There is only a difference in the minds of the cult followers. At least once this lead to a religious war that lasted for over 150 years,and probably resulted in a higher percentage of deaths than any other war in western history.

A little thing you may have heard of called "The Reformation".