New Study Shows Gay Men Have Variation Of DNA Over Straight men

[mirraflake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5155691/Controversial-study-links-DNA-gay.html


Is being gay in your DNA? Homosexual men share two gene variants that suggest they are born with their sexual preference, claims controversial study
Experts surveyed the sexual orientation of 1,077 gay and 1,231 straight men
Genome-wide association study looked for variations in DNA linked to sexuality
They found two regions with variants most strongly associated with sexuality
These were located on chromosomes 13 and 14 near genes that may be relevant to the development of sexual orientation

[mirraflake]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way, some are from abuse and environment and just plain horndogs also.

[driftdiver]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5155691/Controversial-study-links-DNA-gay.html


Is being gay in your DNA? Homosexual men share two gene variants that suggest they are born with their sexual preference, claims controversial study
Experts surveyed the sexual orientation of 1,077 gay and 1,231 straight men
Genome-wide association study looked for variations in DNA linked to sexuality
They found two regions with variants most strongly associated with sexuality
These were located on chromosomes 13 and 14 near genes that may be relevant to the development of sexual orientation

uh huh yeah right

[Free Vulcan]

Where's that 'Jeez Not This S*** Again' pic?

Gays got to have their genetic legitimization for what they do.

[mirraflake]

uh huh yeah right

The very first time you ate ice cream you found out you liked chocolate over vanilla.   Why is that? Why do you like chocolate over vanilla?

People are born with may things that influence their wants. 

Chinese are finding through actual scientific research facial characteristics lead to different personality types or certain behaviors. We are also finding out child molestors and murderers  have brains that are different from normal people.

We no longer live in the Middle Ages.

@driftdiver

[Jazzhead]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way, some are from abuse and environment and just plain horndogs also.

That's probably where the truth lies.

[truth_seeker]

DNA science is moving very fast. It is used to convict or exonerate murderers.

It is also used for paternity, for medicine research and treatment, and for family genealogy connections.

My own genealogy (paper family tree) and DNA testing agree completely.

[dfwgator]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way

Some. But it's a tiny percentage.

[driftdiver]

The very first time you ate ice cream you found out you liked chocolate over vanilla.   Why is that? Why do you like chocolate over vanilla?

People are born with may things that influence their wants. 

Chinese are finding through actual scientific research facial characteristics lead to different personality types or certain behaviors. We are also finding out child molestors and murderers  have brains that are different from normal people.

We no longer live in the Middle Ages.

@driftdiver

Does the difference cause the behavior or does the behavior cause the difference?

Depends on the issue.   To say that all gay people are gay because of a 2 genes is a huge stretch and really really poor science.

[Oceander]

Some. But it's a tiny percentage.

How do you know that?

[driftdiver]

How do you know that?

@Oceander
Prove its not.

[mirraflake]

   To say that all gay people are gay because of a 2 genes is a huge stretch and really really poor science.

Epilepsy (etc) runs in some families over less than 2 genes.

@driftdiver

[Oceander]

@Oceander
Prove its not.

I’m not the one who made the knowledge claim, so I’m not the one who has to prove anything. 

Prove the knowledge claim, or else STFU and see where the science takes us. 

[driftdiver]

I’m not the one who made the knowledge claim, so I’m not the one who has to prove anything. 

Prove the knowledge claim, or else STFU and see where the science takes us.

@Oceander
The thread is about someone saying 2 genes cause gayness.   

SO GFY with a Gene

[driftdiver]

Epilepsy (etc) runs in some families over less than 2 genes.

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
So you're saying being gay is a disease?

If being gay is the result of these 2 genes it should be easy to prove.   Everyone anywhere who has engaged in gay behavior should have this combination.    OR as the article says they found some of the gay people had this combination, which means some didn't.   which means  its all hype.

[aligncare]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

[Jazzhead]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

That is logical, and has the ring of truth. 

[LMAO]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that

Especially when this is out there

[driftdiver]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

@aligncare
People who were abused?  People with low self esteem who are seduced by other gay people?   People who are convinced by society that its cool to be gay?   People who have other mental health issues and can't get a date with the opposite sex?  People who decide it feels good so they must be gay?  People who get drunk and don't care who they have sex with?   People who are just promiscuous and don't care who they sleep with?

A whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with these two genes.

[truth_seeker]

A new field in genetics is "Epigenetics," and it goes beyond just genes and chromosomes.

There are scientific journal articles, and videos on YouTube. An entity called "CARTA," under the auspices of UC San Diego, deals with the subject for instance.

They are NOT studying homosexuality. They ARE studying human genetics, migrations, various aspects of populations down through the ages.

It is a big topic. Most people will not even start to study it. It is easier to have uninformed opinions that way.

[mirraflake]

@aligncare
People who were abused?  People with low self esteem who are seduced by other gay people?   People who are convinced by society that its cool to be gay?   People who have other mental health issues and can't get a date with the opposite sex?  People who decide it feels good so they must be gay?  People who get drunk and don't care who they have sex with?   People who are just promiscuous and don't care who they sleep with?

A whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with these two genes.

I know 3 gay men well. One is a relative, one is my SIL brother and one is a friend. None were abused, had low self esteem etc. and they are all now in their 50's or older and were gay way before it was cool.
The woman in my hometown who turned out to  be lesbian has the body and face of  a man. I blame a chemical mixup during gestation on that one.  If I showed you her HS grad photo I would bet you a $1000 if you could tell me if she was a female.

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

I know 3 gay men well. One is a relative, one is my SIL brother and one is a friend. None were abused, had low self esteem etc. and they are all now in their 50's or older and were gay way before it was cool.
The woman in my hometown who turned out to  be lesbian has the body and face of  a man. I blame a chemical mixup during gestation on that one.  If I showed you her HS grad photo I would bet you a $1000 if you could tell me if she was a female.

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
Well there ya go, a sample of 3 means its genetic.  no need for further discussion or scientific research

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
So you're saying being gay is a disease?

If being gay is the result of these 2 genes it should be easy to prove.   Everyone anywhere who has engaged in gay behavior should have this combination.    OR as the article says they found some of the gay people had this combination, which means some didn't.   which means  its all hype.

Nope. Epilepsy is a medical condition, not a disease. and I never did say 100% of gays had this gene disorder. Go back and read what I wrote.

@driftdiver

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
Well there ya go, a sample of 3 means its genetic.  no need for further discussion or scientific research

Well I thought you said being gay was due to abuse, attention, environment, cool factor, horniness?  So where do these 3 fit?

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

Well I thought you said being gay was due to abuse, attention, environment, cool factor, horniness?  So where do these 3 fit?

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
Could be any of the above and you just don't know the truth.   Its very common for abuse victims to hide their history.   

I also have a friend that was a lesbian.  She looked very masculine.   Her hair, clothes and actions were more like a man.    She was also very unhappy and one day decided to change her life.   she met a man and ended up married.    guess what, now she doesn't look masculine and she has credited my friendship as being a factor in her choosing to change.

"Oh its genetics" is just another snowflake excuse so people don't have to take responsibility for their behavior.  Are there genetic abnormalities, sure there are but not to the extent you want to believe to make yourself feel better,

[driftdiver]

Nope. Epilepsy is a medical condition, not a disease. and I never did say 100% of gays had this gene disorder. Go back and read what I wrote.

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
So being gay is a medical condition now?

[goodwithagun]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

I'm starting to wonder about all of the soy in so many food products and the plastic those products are packaged in.

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
Could be any of the above and you just don't know the truth.   Its very common for abuse victims to hide their history.   

I also have a friend that was a lesbian.  She looked very masculine.   Her hair, clothes and actions were more like a man.    She was also very unhappy and one day decided to change her life.   she met a man and ended up married.    guess what, now she doesn't look masculine and she has credited my friendship as being a factor in her choosing to change.

"Oh its genetics" is just another snowflake excuse so people don't have to take responsibility for their behavior.  Are there genetic abnormalities, sure there are but not to the extent you want to believe to make yourself feel better,

Nope on the first comment.  My SIL brother came from a great home, great relationship with both parents, strong Christian family.  I knew he was gay when i first met him mid 80's  way before he came out.

Your lesbian example is a lipstick lesbian. The lesbian I know has a linebackers body and face to match. No amount of time or money spent at a Macey Glamour Shots would make her look anything like a female...more like a female in male drag..


Time for you to adopt the science of the 21st century.

@driftdiver

[thackney]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

There are people who choose to follow a homosexual life and then choose to change to heterosexual.  Or vise versa.

I suspect there is both a portion of the population with a difference in genetics, and a portion that choose.  Those choosing may a lesser but but partial genetic difference in comparison.

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
So being gay is a medical condition now?

Could be with many. Just as I mentioned before, murderers and violent people have a different brain structure and particular brain parts or areas are not developed when compared to normal people.

@driftdiver

[Sanguine]

There are people who choose to follow a homosexual life and then choose to change to heterosexual.  Or vise versa.

I suspect there is both a portion of the population with a difference in genetics, and a portion that choose.  Those choosing may a lesser but but partial genetic difference in comparison.

I agree, though I really don't think many chose the homosexual life if they are attracted to women.  Someone was arguing on another thread that men just can't help themselves around women.

[truth_seeker]

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/opinions/two-spirits-one-heart-five-genders/

Two Spirits, One Heart, Five Genders

For European settlers the Original Peoples way of life was perplexing, including the the Two Spirits tradition

Duane Brayboy • September 7, 2017

“The New World.” This romanticized term inspired legions of Europeans to race to the places we live in search of freedoms from oppressive regimes or treasures that would be claimed in the name of some European nation.

Those who arrived in the Native American Garden of Eden had never seen a land so uncorrupted. The Europeans saw new geography, new plants, new animals, but the most perplexing curiosity to these people were the Original Peoples and our ways of life. Of all of the foreign life ways Indians held, one of the first the Europeans targeted for elimination was the Two Spirit tradition among Native American cultures. At the point of contact, all Native American societies acknowledged three to five gender roles: Female, male, Two Spirit female, Two Spirit male and transgendered. LGBT Native Americans wanting to be identified within their respective tribes and not grouped with other races officially adopted the term “Two Spirit” from the Ojibwe language in Winnipeg, Manitoba, 1989. Each tribe has their own specific term, but there was a need for a universal term that the general population could understand. The Navajo refer to Two Spirits as Nádleehí (one who is transformed), among the Lakota is Winkté (indicative of a male who has a compulsion to behave as a female), Niizh Manidoowag (two spirit) in Ojibwe, Hemaneh (half man, half woman) in Cheyenne, to name a few. As the purpose of “Two Spirit” is to be used as a universal term in the English language, it is not always translatable with the same meaning in Native languages. For example, in the Iroquois Cherokee language, there is no way to translate the term, but the Cherokee do have gender variance terms for “women who feel like men” and vice versa.

snip

This article describes "The People" of North America, before contact with Europeans.

[Oceander]

@Oceander
The thread is about someone saying 2 genes cause gayness.   

SO GFY with a Gene

Thanks for proving my point. 

[Frank Cannon]

I'm starting to wonder about all of the soy in so many food products and the plastic those products are packaged in.

I hear ya. The Romans were big on drinking soy milk out of plastic jugs.

[driftdiver]

I hear ya. The Romans were big on drinking soy milk out of plastic jugs.

Funny how 1.7% of the population expect to be called normal and to have everyone dance to their tune.

[musiclady]

I agree, though I really don't think many chose the homosexual life if they are attracted to women.  Someone was arguing on another thread that men just can't help themselves around women.

Well, apparently men can't help themselves around men either.

At least according to men.  ^-^

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I wonder how that 'queer gene' got passed along if no queer parents?

Could it be that -gasp- a queer person was not queer?

There goes the research.

[Sighlass]

Yawn, get back to me when they can replicate the test with accuracy. Otherwise this is just like the other non-fact pseudoscience that has popped up a half dozen times the past 15 years. None of which you hear of again except in gay glory publications. Like this article says, if it wasn't gay related, it wouldn't even be published.

[mirraflake]

I wonder how that 'queer gene' got passed along if no queer parents?

Could it be that -gasp- a queer person was not queer?

There goes the research.

Please read up on some very basic genetic information before you make another comment like that. SMH


@IsailedawayfromFR

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Please read up on some very basic genetic information before you make another comment like that. SMH


@IsailedawayfromFR

Not an answer at all.

Here's a better one from the article:

The study has been described as 'weak' by independent scientists, and the study's authors admit the link is 'speculative'.

In two words:  Bad Science

[mirraflake]

Not an answer at all.

Here's a better one from the article:

The study has been described as 'weak' by independent scientists, and the study's authors admit the link is 'speculative'.

In two words:  Bad Science

I will answer your question  if my parents are not gay why is their children gay?

Hint recessive genes for one. There are numerous ways genes skip generations.

I never said genes are the entire reason people are gay. As mentioned before there is epigentics and the one issue I believe most is a chemical imbalance during gestation.

I mentioned epilespy before. There are numerous ways you can get epilepsy-genetic, injury, environment (chemicals-even strobe lights under certain conditions).

@IsailedawayfromFR

[truth_seeker]

Please read up on some very basic genetic information before you make another comment like that. SMH


@IsailedawayfromFR

I opened the door on DNA via genealogy. Looking further into it how they determine locations of origin.

I learned it is a subject on which we have barely opened the door. Much hope is held now, for medical treatments from knowledge of genetics, DNA, genes, chromosomes, single nucleoid polymorphisms (SNPs) etc.
Then to Epigenetics, by which environmental factors change DNA presentations.

Unless a person has time, intelligence, interest and an open mind it isn't likely they will remain interested very far into the subject.

Especially if they lack the open-mindedness to reverse preconceived notions.

[musiclady]

Yawn, get back to me when they can replicate the test with accuracy. Otherwise this is just like the other non-fact pseudoscience that has popped up a half dozen times the past 15 years. None of which you hear of again except in gay glory publications. Like this article says, if it wasn't gay related, it wouldn't even be published.

They keep trying, don't they?


The entire premise of the left is that homosexuality is not a choice.  So their "science" is to keep trying to prove what they already believe.


Which isn't actually science at all.

[Sanguine]

I wonder how that 'queer gene' got passed along if no queer parents?

Could it be that -gasp- a queer person was not queer?

There goes the research.

How could two brown-eyed parents have blue-eyed children?

[mirraflake]

The entire premise of the left is that homosexuality is not a choice. 

Choice for some, not a choice for most.

As I mentioned before some people like chocolate and some prefer vanilla ice cream. I'm sure the ones who like vanilla were not abused by the chocolate ice cream. You may hate tomato soup while your siblings love it..why is that?

Everyone has likes or attraction to other people, objects, hobbies they have no idea where the interest came about. It was always there.

@musiclady

[driftdiver]

Choice for some, not a choice for most.

As I mentioned before some people like chocolate and some prefer vanilla ice cream. I'm sure the ones who like vanilla were not abused by the chocolate ice cream. You may hate tomato soup while your siblings love it..why is that?

Everyone has likes or attraction to other people, objects, hobbies they have no idea where the interest came about. It was always there.

@musiclady

@mirraflake

You have that backwards.  It's a choice for most.

[goodwithagun]

I hear ya. The Romans were big on drinking soy milk out of plastic jugs.

Yep. And look what happened to that civilization 

[Sanguine]

Why would a man, who as several of you point out have high sex drives and are generally very attracted to women, make a choice to somehow overcome their drives and attractions and instead chose to be attracted to another man?  Just doesn't make any sense.  None.

[bigheadfred]

Ima lesbian trapped in a man's body.

I think epigenetics plays a big part in this controversy.

Are animals homosexual?

[Sanguine]

Ima lesbian trapped in a man's body.

I think epigenetics plays a big part in this controversy.

Are animals homosexual?

Not really.  Some do display some "homosexual" behaviors, but not consistently.  For instance, cows may mount each other, but it appears to be an attempt to stimulate ovulation in preparation for breeding.