Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

[DiogenesLamp]

Try looking back at Reply #884 that you commented on and restarted this whole pointless conversation.

Come up with tens of billions of dollars to build a competing propaganda system?   


Not a rational idea.   You might as well tell the slaves "Just overthrow your masters." 


No,  they have us at a disadvantage such that we cannot compete with them.   They have the upper hand,  and sufficient monopoly power to keep it.   

[RoosGirl]

Come up with tens of billions of dollars to build a competing propaganda system?   


Not a rational idea.   You might as well tell the slaves "Just overthrow your masters." 


No,  they have us at a disadvantage such that we cannot compete with them.   They have the upper hand,  and sufficient monopoly power to keep it.

I know, right?  Let's just take shit that doesn't belong to us and shut it down.  It's so much easier that way.

[DiogenesLamp]

I've considered starting an argument on this thread just to get it locked, even if I have to sacrifice myself for a few days.   

So you are in principle in favor of censorship?   That sort of explains why you throw out Ideas that won't really address the issue.   

No "Change the channel!"  for me,   and no "build a competing conversation on another thread!" for me,   Just "lock this thread because *I* don't like conversations about media power and censorship.  "


Many a true word is said in jest.   

[DiogenesLamp]

    @DiogenesLamp    I realize you weren't asking me, specifically, but I do have a plausible solution. 
   It worked as recently as September 2016.  Hijack an existing party that is more in line with your views.
   Movement must be seen by/in early 2019, immediately after the midterms, by early 2020 the bird will have flown, again.
   Here's my Candidate.

The Constitution party sounds very good,   but I don't see how they can solve the Media censorship problem.   

[DiogenesLamp]

I know, right?  Let's just take shit that doesn't belong to us and shut it down.  It's so much easier that way.

If taken as a philosophical point,  there is a lot of area for discussion on that topic,   but taken as you mean it,  you are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.   


Who owns the airwaves?   

[RoosGirl]

If taken as a philosophical point,  there is a lot of area for discussion on that topic,   but taken as you mean it,  you are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.   


Who owns the airwaves?   

Me.  I own them, and I demand you stop using them.

[Victoria33]

I watched "Good Morning America"  today on ABC.   They showed the yearbook of Moore's accuser.   I noticed immediately that they showed the yearbook with the colors artificially manipulated so that you can't tell there are two different colors of ink used to sign the book. 

@DiogenesLamp

It appears to me he wrote the message and "Roy".  She added the rest of it, which is different ink, in order to show all his name and nail down it happened at that restaurant on that date.

[Cyber Liberty]

If taken as a philosophical point,  there is a lot of area for discussion on that topic,   but taken as you mean it,  you are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.   


Who owns the airwaves?   

Me!  I have a license from the FCC.

Oh, wait....

[DiogenesLamp]

Me.  I own them, and I demand you stop using them.

:)

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

It appears to me he wrote the message and "Roy".  She added the rest of it, which is different ink, in order to show all his name and nail down it happened at that restaurant on that date.

That is also what I think,  but did she do it the day of,  or did she do it 38 years later?   

But really my point was about ABC News refusing to clearly show that there is different color ink between the two parts of that entry because that would immediately cause people to question it's authenticity.   People do not normally sign a yearbook in two different colors of ink. 

ABC News showed the photo in gray scale to keep people from seeing the different colors,  because ABC News wants people to believe the accusation.  In other words,  they are deliberately meddling in an election instead of honestly reporting the truth.   

If they knew that NBC or CBS would immediately point out they were covering up the fact of different colored ink,  they would have told the truth and showed the different colors of ink.  But because they knew that no one with broadcasting power would call them out,   they decided to mislead the public.   

They do this sort of sh*t all the time,  and they get away with it.   

[Smokin Joe]

@DiogenesLamp

It appears to me he wrote the message and "Roy".  She added the rest of it, which is different ink, in order to show all his name and nail down it happened at that restaurant on that date.

Roy who?

If I sign only my first name, it doesn't count.

[Victoria33]

@RoosGirl

For your general information, real estate law says you own your house and the ground it is on (if you bought both), but not the air above it.  If you own the "air waves" as you say, from whom did you buy or rent them -  God?   

[TomSea]

    @DiogenesLamp    I realize you weren't asking me, specifically, but I do have a plausible solution. 
   It worked as recently as September 2016.  Hijack an existing party that is more in line with your views.
   Movement must be seen by/in early 2019, immediately after the midterms, by early 2020 the bird will have flown, again.
   Here's my Candidate.

I was interested in the Constitution Party in 2012.

It will be interesting to see how much enthusiasm you have for it in 4 years or even by 2020.

Hold that thought.

@corbe

[TomSea]

I've read the Constitution party platform, the Libertarian Platform, the latter is a bit disappointing, CP is ok.

[Smokin Joe]

I've read the Constitution party platform, the Libertarian Platform, the latter is a bit disappointing, CP is ok.

Considering the Constitution of the United States is part of the CP platform, It'll do.

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

For your general information, real estate law says you own your house and the ground it is on (if you bought both), but not the air above it.  If you own the "air waves" as you say, from whom did you buy or rent them -  God?   

I didn't buy or rent them.  God gave them to me because I'm special.

[Frank Cannon]

Roy who?

If I sign only my first name, it doesn't count.

What if you are Prince or Sting?

[Cyber Liberty]

I didn't buy or rent them.  God gave them to me because I'm special.

That's messed up!  I had to earn my license.

[RoosGirl]

That's messed up!  I had to earn my license.

If everyone were special it wouldn't be special, now would it?

[Cyber Liberty]

What if you are Prince or Sting?

If my name was Prince I'd change it to an unpronounceable symbol and croak.

[corbe]

I was interested in the Constitution Party in 2012.

It will be interesting to see how much enthusiasm you have for it in 4 years or even by 2020.

Hold that thought.

@corbe

   @TomSea

   History has generally proven that 3rd party attempts of Presidential Elections have typically been deemed non significant or that of the spoiler (Ross Perot) in recent history BUT given another shift, not unlike Trump's populist movement that just sweep the GOP off it's feet (it WAS ripe for the pickings), a few big names, Cruz, Lee and some Freedom Caucus members switch parties, tweak the Constitution Party Platform, could WE not duplicate what happened last year?

   It's a long shot but I need a home to dream and the GOP gives me nightmares.

[aligncare]

That is also what I think,  but did she do it the day of,  or did she do it 38 years later?   

But really my point was about ABC News refusing to clearly show that there is different color ink between the two parts of that entry because that would immediately cause people to question it's authenticity.   People do not normally sign a yearbook in two different colors of ink. 

ABC News showed the photo in gray scale to keep people from seeing the different colors,  because ABC News wants people to believe the accusation.  In other words,  they are deliberately meddling in an election instead of honestly reporting the truth.   

If they knew that NBC or CBS would immediately point out they were covering up the fact of different colored ink,  they would have told the truth and showed the different colors of ink.  But because they knew that no one with broadcasting power would call them out,   they decided to mislead the public.   

They do this sort of sh*t all the time,  and they get away with it.

Yearbook. Another case of a “fake but accurate” document.

[Cyber Liberty]

@DiogenesLamp

It appears to me he wrote the message and "Roy".  She added the rest of it, which is different ink, in order to show all his name and nail down it happened at that restaurant on that date.

I've been reading this since last night, and it has me scratching my head.

Are you suggesting it's a forgery, but that's OK because it is a record of actual events?  How is this different from the TANG "documents" of the 32004 Election?

[DiogenesLamp]

MSNBC Reporter: Rand Paul Being Beaten Up Is 'One Of My Favorite Stories'

Well, this was a rather awkward moment. NBC reporter Kasie Hunt described the assault on Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) as “one of her favorite stories.” Of course, this isn’t the best phrase to describe this incident, with Hunt trying to correct herself on air but opting to continue with her report. She concluded that Paul’s assault by neighbor, Rene Boucher, was caused by a landscaping dispute, declaring that as the reason for the attack. This was not a simple push and shove. Paul was severely injured, with six broken ribs

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/20/msnbc-reporter-rand-paul-being-beaten-up-is-one-of-my-favorite-stories-n2412127

[DiogenesLamp]

Mika Brzezinski Suggests Trump Is Okay With KKK Bombing Black Churches

On Wednesday’s Morning Joe, while discussing President Trump’s remarks to reporters yesterday on the White House lawn, NBC News Capitol Hill correspondent Kasie Hunt decided to do an impromptu campaign ad for Democratic senatorial candidate Doug Jones, who is Roy Moore’s opponent in the Alabama special election. Part of Hunt’s pitch involved the fact that Jones is best known for prosecuting the perpetrators of the infamous 1963 Birmingham church bombing that killed four black girls. Co-host Mika Brzezinski instantly saw a connection between this piece of information and Trump’s earlier claim to journalists that Jones is “soft on crime.” From this realization, she concluded that Trump must in some way be okay with, or at least not that concerned by, blowing up and killing children in churches for racial reasons.

In the clip, you can see how Brzezinksi walked right up to the line of outright saying that Trump was okay with the bombing before catching herself:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/chris-reeves/2017/11/22/mika-brzezinski-suggests-trump-okay-kkk-bombing-black-churches

[DiogenesLamp]

The Internet Had Already Lost Its Neutrality


Even while the FCC was more strictly regulating, a few powerful companies took control of what we see and don't.

Now of course, these are not nice people. Their website espoused vile hate. But the fact remains that what they were publishing was not illegal, merely immoral, and their immoral speech was effectively shut down by a small number of private companies who decided to exercise their considerable control over what we’re allowed to read. And what is to stop them from expanding this decision to other categories, forcing the rest of us to conform to Silicon Valley’s idea of what it is moral and right for us to see?


Fifteen years ago, when I started blogging, it was common to hear that “the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” You don’t hear that so often anymore, because it’s not true. China has proven very effective at censoring the internet, and as market power has consolidated in the tech industry, so have private firms.

Meanwhile, our experience of the internet is increasingly controlled by a handful of firms, most especially Google and Facebook.  The argument for regulating these companies as public utilities is arguably at least as strong as the argument for thus regulating ISPs, and very possibly much stronger; while cable monopolies may have local dominance, none of them has the ability that Google and Facebook have to unilaterally shape what Americans see, hear, and read.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-21/the-internet-had-already-lost-its-neutrality

[DiogenesLamp]

Google is locking people out of documents, and you should be worried

It turns out that even your private documents can be censored online. This morning, a ton of users reported being locked out of completely innocuous Google Docs for "inappropriate content."

Google's abuse policy prohibits the posting of serious threats, needlessly graphic or violent content, hate speech, harassment, confidential information, pornography, and anything illegal including child exploitation and copyrighted content.

Today, however, multiple users believe that the content they were locked out of did not contain prohibited material. National Geographic reporter Rachael Bale, who was locked out of a draft of a story about wildlife crime, claims that nothing in her document violated Google's policies. "It's about legal, but ethically dubious activity," she tweeted.

http://mashable.com/2017/10/31/google-docs-locking-people-out/#UpjlG6Bzmaq2

[Smokin Joe]

Google is locking people out of documents, and you should be worried




http://mashable.com/2017/10/31/google-docs-locking-people-out/#UpjlG6Bzmaq2

Why I'm staying out of the cloud...

Google had plenty of practice censoring the web in China.

[DiogenesLamp]

Why I'm staying out of the cloud...

Google had plenty of practice censoring the web in China.

I have never comprehended why any intelligent person in their right mind would use "the cloud"  to save anything important.   Letting other people have and keep your data is just asking to be kicked in the nads.   

[roamer_1]

I have never comprehended why any intelligent person in their right mind would use "the cloud"  to save anything important.   Letting other people have and keep your data is just asking to be kicked in the nads.

I made my own dang cloud. And my boy is uber-geek too, and he made his own dang cloud also... Mine backs to his His backs to mine... And the nicest thing is, if I need a buttload of my data back down for some reason, I just jump in the truck and head over there with a hard drive instead of waiting a couple days to get it back down. Best of both worlds.

[DiogenesLamp]

And in the ongoing saga of the media attempting to manipulate elections through the power of Broadcasting reach: 




Shep Smith just called Roy Moore an alleged child molester



https://youtu.be/YbmK7LU5M-0


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3608342/posts

[Sanguine]

And in the ongoing saga of the media attempting to manipulate elections through the power of Broadcasting reach: 




Shep Smith just called Roy Moore an alleged child molester



https://youtu.be/YbmK7LU5M-0


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3608342/posts

Well, technically, all of that is true.  I know it's Shep and all, but....

[DiogenesLamp]

Well, technically, all of that is true.  I know it's Shep and all, but....

Bill Clinton  is an alleged rapist.  Barack Obama is an alleged homosexual.   


Control of the broadcasting apparatus allows them to circulate their smears without rebuttal or retaliation,   and we are fools to allow this one sided propaganda to the public to continue. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm an alleged Pastafarian.  All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!  Wheee!

[Smokin Joe]

Well, technically, all of that is true.  I know it's Shep and all, but....

Child Molester" conjures images of brutalized five year-olds. FFS. I have seen 14 year-olds (when I was that age) who were very well developed. While below the age of consent and minors, they were not "children" in the developmental sense--some of those young ladies were bustier, even allowing for the Charmin factor, than their moms.

For that Matter, I can allege that Shep Smith is a space alien masquerading as a journalist, hiding in plain sight by posing as a journalist and manipulating minds to effect his(?)* disguise.

*(because you never know what gender a space alien really is)
I haven't watched that jackass since the Superdome and Katrina.

[Sanguine]

Child Molester" conjures images of brutalized five year-olds. FFS. I have seen 14 year-olds (when I was that age) who were very well developed. While below the age of consent and minors, they were not "children" in the developmental sense--some of those young ladies were bustier, even allowing for the Charmin factor, than their moms.

For that Matter, I can allege that Shep Smith is a space alien masquerading as a journalist, hiding in plain sight by posing as a journalist and manipulating minds to effect his(?)* disguise.

*(because you never know what gender a space alien really is)
I haven't watched that jackass since the Superdome and Katrina.

Whoa, there!  14 year olds are children, because despite the state of their physical development, they are still mentally children.  It doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether they are "developed" or not.  That's the whole point of establishing an "age of consent". 

I think you wandered off the path and your point got woefully lost.

[RoosGirl]

Bill Clinton  is an alleged rapist.  Barack Obama is an alleged homosexual.   


Control of the broadcasting apparatus allows them to circulate their smears without rebuttal or retaliation,   and we are fools to allow this one sided propaganda to the public to continue.

So the same "one sided" broadcasting apparatus that is calling Bill Clinton an alleged rapist and Barack Obama an alleged homosexual is calling Roy Moore an alleged child abuser?    Doesn't sound so one sided to me; sounds pretty equal opportunity.

[Cyber Liberty]

So the same "one sided" broadcasting apparatus that is calling Bill Clinton an alleged rapist and Barack Obama an alleged homosexual is calling Roy Moore an alleged child abuser?    Doesn't sound so one sided to me; sounds pretty equal opportunity.

[DiogenesLamp]

Whoa, there!  14 year olds are children, because despite the state of their physical development, they are still mentally children.  It doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether they are "developed" or not.  That's the whole point of establishing an "age of consent". 

I think you wandered off the path and your point got woefully lost.

I have read articles asserting that the girl who claimed to be "14"  at the time,  was actually 17 at the time.   I've been trying to find out from where they got this information,   because I think it makes a big difference.   

One would think this particular detail could be nailed down by looking at some yearbooks from that town. 

[DiogenesLamp]

So the same "one sided" broadcasting apparatus that is calling Bill Clinton an alleged rapist and Barack Obama an alleged homosexual is calling Roy Moore an alleged child abuser? 

You make an erroneous assumption in thinking that any broadcasting system has ever called Bill Clinton an alleged rapist or Barack Obama an alleged homosexual.   

To my knowledge, those allegations have never been put through the propaganda system of America.


You can only hear them by visiting conservative websites and reading information you wont' see on the broadcast networks.   


Edit:   


I take it back.   I do know of one incident in which someone claimed Barack Obama was a homosexual. 


https://youtu.be/aakEvMc2110

[Cyber Liberty]

I have read articles asserting that the girl who claimed to be "14"  at the time,  was actually 17 at the time.   I've been trying to find out from where they got this information,   because I think it makes a big difference.   

One would think this particular detail could be nailed down by looking at some yearbooks from that town.

Yes, this will come to light...just after we succeed in destroying the candidate.  So convenient.

[Cyber Liberty]

You make an erroneous assumption in thinking that any broadcasting system has ever called Bill Clinton an alleged rapist or Barack Obama an alleged homosexual.   

To my knowledge, those allegations have never been put through the propaganda system of America.


You can only hear them by visiting conservative websites and reading information you wont' see on the broadcast networks.

Doood.  Sarcasm.

[DiogenesLamp]

Doood.  Sarcasm.

I've read it several times.   If it is intended as sarcasm,  it is entirely too subtle for me to grasp it. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I've read it several times.   If it is intended as sarcasm,  it is entirely too subtle for me to grasp it.

It's @RoosGirl,  The gal swims in it.

[Smokin Joe]

Whoa, there!  14 year olds are children, because despite the state of their physical development, they are still mentally children.  It doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether they are "developed" or not.  That's the whole point of establishing an "age of consent". 

I think you wandered off the path and your point got woefully lost.

Apparently, my point got woefully lost.

At five I wasn't interested in sex.
Nope.
Not a bit.

By 14 that had changed, but by 14 I was working heavy construction on a seawall crew between stints on a pile driver as a deckhand, worked on my grandfather's farm (and had for years) in the tobacco fields and baling hay, had been driving tractor for years, and had just joined the Volunteer Fire Department. I had my own boat (skiff) and a commercial fishing license.  This was within a handful of years of the time of these allegations.

Legally, 14 year-olds are still not adults, but when we think of "children" the tendency is to envision grade schoolers, not nubile adolescents. We even call them "teenagers" instead of "children", and they are commonly not hesitant to remind adults of that change in status, even though the legal significance is moot.

I'd say the difference between prepubescent and 14 is HUGE. Now, that doesn't mean adults should prey on 14 year olds, but there is no proof that even happened in Moore's case, and there are folks who have stepped forward and pointed out serious problems with the narrative that woman (now) has told of events that she alleged 40 years ago.

But in desperation, as the election approaches and the narrative disintegrates too soon for those who would scuttle Moore, they are doing (again) what I predicted when this all started: They are doubling down on the rhetoric, because they are plumb out of credible complainants. They even listed people who were not complainants as complainants (who claimed there was no sexual behaviour involved) to pad out the numbers.

The Gloria Allred traveling show and hit posse has run out of poo to throw, so the media have to carry the ball. 

[RoosGirl]

I've read it several times.   If it is intended as sarcasm,  it is entirely too subtle for me to grasp it.

And since you were too lazy in our previous conversation on Moore to go back and read what I said, instead of asking me to repeat myself (again), I shall not explain further here.

[musiclady]

Whoa, there!  14 year olds are children, because despite the state of their physical development, they are still mentally children.  It doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether they are "developed" or not.  That's the whole point of establishing an "age of consent". 

I think you wandered off the path and your point got woefully lost.

Thank you for making that point.

It doesn't matter what any man on this forum "thinks" about what a child is..... a 14 year old girl IS a child.

And if she was molested by Moore, he IS a pedophile, regardless of her development.

(That accusation, of course, has not been proven).

[DiogenesLamp]

And since you were too lazy in our previous conversation on Moore to go back and read what I said, instead of asking me to repeat myself (again), I shall not explain further here.

Ah.  Another "I'm going to spend more time explaining why I won't explain than I would have if I had  explained "  maneuver.   

:)   

[RoosGirl]

Ah.  Another "I'm going to spend more time explaining why I won't explain than I would have if I had  explained "  maneuver.   

:)

And another spending more time bitching about what someone won't do for you that could do for yourself.  Such is life, sometimes we must make sacrifices.

[Cyber Liberty]

And another spending more time bitching about what someone won't do for you that could do for yourself.  Such is life, sometimes we must make sacrifices.

I want to spend more time talking about pie.  I had some really good pie last week...pumpkin pie with lotsa whipped cream.