Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

[txradioguy]

Fake news should be fought with facts to expose the lies. And then publicly mocked for reporting false information.

I thought it was the left that tried to silence people/organizations that they disagree with.

With Trump the right and the left are merging using the same tactics all ending with more statist control of our lives.

But it's different when it's OUR guy /s

[musiclady]

Fake news should be fought with facts to expose the lies. And then publicly mocked for reporting false information.

I thought it was the left that tried to silence people/organizations that they disagree with.

With Trump the right and the left are merging using the same tactics all ending with more statist control of our lives.

That's what happens when a liberal is elected as a "Republican" President.

And here we have "conservatives" advocating censorship, and ignoring the First Amendment, just because "our guy" is doing it.

It's a completely upside down world, @DB .....

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I wouldn't mind equal representation occurring through market forces,  but monopolies are inherently resistant to being broken by market forces.

It certainly appeared that since Fox came around that it was the monopoly breaker - considering its tendency to be more objective than the other three legacy tv networks. 

Fox was killing those guys in viewership and going strong - then, plump.  They began acting like the others more and more, hiring actors like Kelly instead of true reporters.  Drumming up enough negatives to sit O'Reilly down.

Now, they are little better than the alternatives, and their credibility has tanked as a result, allowing the others to catch back up.

Too bad, I thought we had the market forces breaking that monopoly.

[musiclady]

But it's different when it's OUR guy /s

Beat me to it!

GMTA.   (Especially when it comes to telling the TRUTH).

[Bigun]

How exactly do you plan to punish locally owned stations that had no part in the Trump nuke story?

How many actual stations do you think the parent network owns these days?

Or does that not matter and you just want to nuke all of their broadcast liscenses?

Can you show me a post where I ever advocated the FCC refusing to renew licenses?  I simply said that it woul have effects and affects if the did!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

How many actual stations do you think the parent network owns these days?

28, spread out in some very big markets, can be viewed in 36% of all US homes.

That is a big chunk.  http://www.nbcuniversal.com/business/nbcuniversal-owned-television-stations

[Cyber Liberty]

28, spread out in some very big markets, can be viewed in 36% of all US homes.

That is a big chunk.  http://www.nbcuniversal.com/business/nbcuniversal-owned-television-stations

Most (more than half) are Telemundo.  Don't count.

I saw this earlier when I looked it up.  Bottom line:  There will be no licenses pulled.  None.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Most (more than half) are Telemundo.  Don't count.

You know, they are not all illegals watching that.

A very stupid statement.  Of course they count.

[Bigun]

Most (more than half) are Telemundo.  Don't count.

I saw this earlier when I looked it up.  Bottom line:  There will be no licenses pulled.  None.

Just for the record,  I didn't think Trump said anything about "pulling" licenses.  I  think he did say someting about protesting the renewal of some.

[txradioguy]

28, spread out in some very big markets, can be viewed in 36% of all US homes.

That is a big chunk.  http://www.nbcuniversal.com/business/nbcuniversal-owned-television-stations

28 out of how many NBC affiliates total?

Drop in the bucket compared to the total number of local stations that actually do provide a service to their community.

But hey what does the needs and wants of the smaller communities where that might be the only local station I the town matter when it comes to sticking it to the suits in 30 Rock right.

Trump needs to get iver the fact he's not running the Apprentice on NBC anymore and start acting like a U.S. president instead of a third world tyrant.

[txradioguy]

Just for the record,  I didn't think Trump said anything about "pulling" licenses.  I  think he did say someting about protesting the renewal of some.

Same thing. If you want to screw with a station whether it's radio or the you lodge a complaint about their license renewal with the FCC when they are in the renewal window.

Trump is making less than a veiled threat to have his FCC at the very least hold up the renewal for intense scrutiny.

And that's some major league BS on his part.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

28 out of how many NBC affiliates total?

Drop in the bucket compared to the total number of local stations that actually do provide a service to their community.

But hey what does the needs and wants of the smaller communities where that might be the only local station I the town matter when it comes to sticking it to the suits in 30 Rock right.

Trump needs to get iver the fact he's not running the Apprentice on NBC anymore and start acting like a U.S. president instead of a third world tyrant.

All I did was pull up the records.  Nothing more.  You insinuated NBC does not own many stations that have licenses, but if one can get into 36% of the homes in the US, one does not need many stations.

[txradioguy]

All I did was pull up the records.  Nothing more.  You insinuated NBC does not own many stations that have licenses, but if one can get into 36% of the homes in the US, one does not need many stations.

36% is still a very small percentage. The bulk of that concentrated in New York and LA with Chigaco in the mix as well.

Ok so even if I agree with the premise that is a big chunk (I don't) the second and third order effects by suck a stupid move would put HUNDREDS of locally owned and operated stations out if business.

Where is the sense in that simply because Trump is throwing a tantrum?

[DiogenesLamp]

Trump is threatening to pull licenses.  There are no licenses to pull.  I don't think it gets more relevant than that.

Idiots.

As I said previously,  it isn't about "cake"  and it isn't about "licenses." 

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

"Do be more careful"---do people really talk like that outside of movies from the fifties? 

Thanks, Sparky, but I'm in the right place, getting a little cheap entertainment from you this evening.

Best way to teach someone. 

[DiogenesLamp]

SMH....

I can't believe the debate I'm reading among people who supposedly are Conservative.

Orwell was right.

Yup.  People let 1984 sneak up on them and they don't care.  It is Mind boggling. 

[txradioguy]

And for the record...as of 2015 NBC owns and operates  11 stations and has affiliate agreements with 222 other stations across the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBC_television_affiliates_(by_U.S._state)

[DCPatriot]

Many of you still don't understand President Trump.

He's started the conversation, which focuses attention on the FACT of media bias.  That invites a second look at charges of fake news citing anonymous sources, etc..

[240B]

Many of you still don't understand President Trump.

@DCPatriot


Exactly. Trump is just getting them all spun up to report on 'fake news'. He knows exactly how to play the MSM.


Now, as you point out, he has fake news channels doing story after story on fake news. It's kind of hilarious in a way.

[DiogenesLamp]

I think there is no concept of unintended consequences anymore.  There's no forward thought to what happens the next time liberals gain the majority.

If we leave things as they are,  they will resume what was briefly interrupted by the current man we have who fights.   

[Sanguine]

SMH....

I can't believe the debate I'm reading among people who supposedly are Conservative.

Orwell was right.

I know.  It's frightening.

[Sanguine]

Many of you still don't understand President Trump.

He's started the conversation, which focuses attention on the FACT of media bias.  That invites a second look at charges of fake news citing anonymous sources, etc..

Luckily we have you to translate for us.

[DiogenesLamp]

Fake news should be fought with facts to expose the lies. And then publicly mocked for reporting false information.

And how are these facts to reach the public?

I thought it was the left that tried to silence people/organizations that they disagree with.

What we are speaking of is breaking the silence.   You seem to think that demanding equal voice is promoting silence.   It is promoting speech. 

[DiogenesLamp]

That's what happens when a liberal is elected as a "Republican" President.

And here we have "conservatives" advocating censorship, and ignoring the First Amendment, just because "our guy" is doing it.

It's a completely upside down world, @DB .....

You and your cadre make up your mind that we are advocating censorship  (because you aren't really listening to what is being said)  and then you repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, and repeat.


You ignore the actual censorship going on,  and you  "virtue signal" about how much you oppose theoretical censorship that you see so very clearly in your minds. 


You choke on a gnat and swallow a camel.   

[Silver Pines]

Best way to teach someone.

@DiogenesLamp

You have a lot to learn, so I'll keep it in mind.

[RoosGirl]

If we leave things as they are,  they will resume what was briefly interrupted by the current man we have who fights.

Trump is claiming that NBC is lying about him saying that the US needs to expand its nuclear arsenal.  Trump actually said in a Reuters interview back in January that the US needs to expand its nuclear arsenal.  I provided a link to the interview earlier in the thread.  Now Trump is suggesting that the administration will target "licenses" (I guess for the sake of the discussion we'll just go along with the whole "license" thing) of networks, supposedly for spreading false news, except it's not false news.  So what is really happening here is that for whatever reason now Trump doesn't want people to know he said the same thing in a private meeting that he said in an interview several months prior.  Do you think it's a good precedent to set that an administration can threaten to target any news media when they report something it doesn't like?   So let's just say this administration goes through and cleans house at all the 'fake news' networks.  What happens during the next administration when they don't like what the current network is reporting?

[DiogenesLamp]

It certainly appeared that since Fox came around that it was the monopoly breaker - considering its tendency to be more objective than the other three legacy tv networks. 

Fox was killing those guys in viewership and going strong - then, plump.  They began acting like the others more and more, hiring actors like Kelly instead of true reporters.  Drumming up enough negatives to sit O'Reilly down.

Rupert Murdoch turned operations over to his two sons who are very Liberal.   They started wrecking the place. 

Now, they are little better than the alternatives, and their credibility has tanked as a result, allowing the others to catch back up.

Too bad, I thought we had the market forces breaking that monopoly.

I did too,  but it just goes to show how quickly our fortunes can turn.   The folk that can afford to operate in this zone of wealthy are usually liberal,  and they will often put social acceptance among their "peers"  as being more important to them than objectivity.   

[Silver Pines]

I think there is no concept of unintended consequences anymore.  There's no forward thought to what happens the next time liberals (the ones who call themselves liberals instead of trying to hide it) gain the majority.

@RoosGirl

I don't think they care.  They're on a high, having too much fun watching 'splodey heads 'splode, as a scholar once said.   

[Silver Pines]

If we leave things as they are,  they will resume what was briefly interrupted by the current man we have who fights.

@DiogenesLamp

Not fight..." flails."

Trump flails.

[DiogenesLamp]

And for the record...as of 2015 NBC owns and operates  11 stations and has affiliate agreements with 222 other stations across the country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBC_television_affiliates_(by_U.S._state)

And some people just want to talk about "cake".   

[DCPatriot]

Luckily we have you to translate for us.

   Only here to help, dear.

[DiogenesLamp]

@DCPatriot


Exactly. Trump is just getting them all spun up to report on 'fake news'. He knows exactly how to play the MSM.


Now, as you point out, he has fake news channels doing story after story on fake news. It's kind of hilarious in a way.

Earlier I saw people enjoying some fake irony. (because they were using their assumptions and applying them to us.) 

It's a shame they aren't noticing the real irony.  :) 

[Frank Cannon]

Wow. 10 pages of absolute shit generated in one day. Doesn't anyone here have an effing job? This bullshit that Donny threw out has absolutely no bearing on anything even remotely important to anyone's lives. It's Class A minutia.

This actually seems mildly important to me over this NBC bullshit, but then again I am not on Medicaid, Medicare or use a Voodoo Doctor for my healthcare so I guess that is why it makes no noise on this forum.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-11/trump-sign-executive-order-obamacare-tomorrow-morning

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

You have a lot to learn, so I'll keep it in mind.

I'll take knowledge wherever I can find it, so I look forward to the time when you eventually convey some worthwhile information.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Trump is claiming that NBC is lying about him saying that the US needs to expand its nuclear arsenal.

I don't care about the specifics.  What is significant to me is that Trump has launched people into thinking about a situation that I have been trying to get people to grasp for nearly a decade. 


Don't focus on a tree,  look at the forest.     

[musiclady]

@DiogenesLamp

Not fight..." flails."

Trump flails.

Thank you for that accurate clarification.

[DiogenesLamp]

@RoosGirl

I don't think they care.  They're on a high, having too much fun watching 'splodey heads 'splode, as a scholar once said.

You think we are playing checkers.  We are playing chess.  *You* are playing checkers.   

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

Not fight..." flails."

Trump flails.

For some reason that D@mned fool just keeps on winning! 

[RoosGirl]

Wow. 10 pages of absolute shit generated in one day. Doesn't anyone here have an effing job? This bullshit that Donny threw out has absolutely no bearing on anything even remotely important to anyone's lives. It's Class A minutia.

This actually seems mildly important to me over this NBC bullshit, but then again I am not on Medicaid, Medicare or use a Voodoo Doctor for my healthcare so I guess that is why it makes no noise on this forum.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-11/trump-sign-executive-order-obamacare-tomorrow-morning

Dammit Frank, we're on a roll.  Don't interrupt this very important topic.  Unless you would like to explain what Voodoo Doctors are available in my area, and then I'm all ears.

[Victoria33]

If I remember right, Trump made some noise a while back about altering libel laws to go after alleged "fake news" outlets.  And his supporters just yawned. 

@Applewood[/member
@CatherineofAragon

Yes, he wanted to change the laws so he could sue them.  He would like to shut down all news except Fox and then he would find something wrong with them, and shut them down, then he would be the only source of news and his news is fake every day.  Luckily, he can't do jack with news organizations.
He is a freaking basket case and is going to start a war with North Korea with his mouth.  That is important, not his fight with football players and Republican Senators.  He will start another chaos shortly.  "Chaos Trump."

[DCPatriot]

Wow. 10 pages of absolute shit generated in one day. Doesn't anyone here have an effing job? This bullshit that Donny threw out has absolutely no bearing on anything even remotely important to anyone's lives. It's Class A minutia.

This actually seems mildly important to me over this NBC bullshit, but then again I am not on Medicaid, Medicare or use a Voodoo Doctor for my healthcare so I guess that is why it makes no noise on this forum.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-11/trump-sign-executive-order-obamacare-tomorrow-morning

NATS forced a Game 5......   Strasburg, 12K in seven innings.

[Frank Cannon]

Dammit Frank, we're on a roll.  Don't interrupt this very important topic.  Unless you would like to explain what Voodoo Doctors are available in my area, and then I'm all ears.

Might I suggest Dr Bombay. He still makes house calls.....

[RoosGirl]

I don't care about the specifics.  What is significant to me is that Trump has launched people into thinking about a situation that I have been trying to get people to grasp for nearly a decade. 


Don't focus on a tree,  look at the forest.   

I care about specifics that make the premise of the entire argument that has been going back and forth a lie.  I care about lies.

But, if you want me to look at the forest, the we will agree to disagree that the government has any business threatening a private business for reporting things the government doesn't like them reporting.

[RoosGirl]

Might I suggest Dr Bombay. He still makes house calls.....

Oh man that glassware lights me up!

[DiogenesLamp]

Might I suggest Dr Bombay. He still makes house calls.....

This is a good opportunity for me to mention that I am married to Elizabeth Montgomery's second cousin who looks very much like her.   Yes,  her mother's name was "Montgomery",  and yes her famous cousin Elizabeth used to show up at their family gatherings.   

I almost never talk about my personal life,  but I am some what pleased with myself about this.   I used to have the hots for Elizabeth when I was young,  and I ended up with the next best thing. 

:) 

[Frank Cannon]

I care about specifics that make the premise of the entire argument that has been going back and forth a lie.  I care about lies.

You care about lies but you are indignant about this crap? Look around. The whole thing is a lie. The Fed has propped up our economy on a lie based on fake economic numbers based on free money. The govt' is a lie from top to bottom. You don't have to look any further than all the noise we got from the GOP about Obamacare. When the rubber met the road we found out that it was all lies and they love central govt' controls. Look further out. The world economy is basically the same house of cards that the US economy is. You don't have to look any further than Brexit, Catalonia and all the other places that are removing themselves from the shitshows they are tied to. Even the silly Kurds are splintering off on their own which is going to be a powder keg exploding shortly.

What doesn't interest me anymore are the lies. They are too numerous. What interests me is the truth and if it still exists.

[DiogenesLamp]

I care about specifics that make the premise of the entire argument that has been going back and forth a lie.  I care about lies.

Apparently except when it comes to ending them. 

But, if you want me to look at the forest, the we will agree to disagree that the government has any business threatening a private business for reporting things the government doesn't like them reporting.

We don't disagree about this no matter how much you and your friends keep wrongly insisting that we do,   but the threat isn't because they report things the "government doesn't like",  it's because they are LYING and CENSORING,  which do not serve the public interest in a manner for which their broadcast licenses were granted. 


You are aware the public owns the airwaves,  are you not?  Should not our custodians of this trust insure that it serves the public's interest? 


Among other things in my life,  I have studied FCC broadcasting regulations,  and one of the prohibitions was "false or deceptive transmissions."   

[DiogenesLamp]

You care about lies but you are indignant about this crap? Look around. The whole thing is a lie. The Fed has propped up our economy on a lie based on fake economic numbers based on free money. The govt' is a lie from top to bottom. You don't have to look any further than all the noise we got from the GOP about Obamacare. When the rubber met the road we found out that it was all lies and they love central govt' controls. Look further out. The world economy is basically the same house of cards that the US economy is. You don't have to look any further than Brexit, Catalonia and all the other places that are removing themselves from the shitshows they are tied to. Even the silly Kurds are splintering off on their own which is going to be a powder keg exploding shortly.

What doesn't interest me anymore are the lies. They are too numerous. What interests me is the truth and if it still exists.

You cycle back and forth between silly and profound.   I like it.   

[Frank Cannon]

This is a good opportunity for me to mention that I am married to Elizabeth Montgomery's second cousin who looks very much like her.   Yes,  her mother's name was "Montgomery",  and yes her famous cousin Elizabeth used to show up at their family gatherings.   

I almost never talk about my personal life,  but I am some what pleased with myself about this.   I used to have the hots for Elizabeth when I was young,  and I ended up with the next best thing. 

:)

Wow! That's friggin AWESOME!

Glad to finally confirm that someone else is also banging a hot chick.

[Frank Cannon]

You cycle back and forth between silly and profound.   I like it.

Dr Bombay has me off on my meds. You gotta get that right balance between the scotch, Quaaludes and penicillin.