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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #575 on: August 27, 2017, 11:50:04 am »
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.
We lived in La Marque during Carla.  My dad worked as a meteorologist at Galveston airport and had to stay through it, but we didn't stay.  We had a foot of water in our house when we returned.
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« Reply #576 on: August 27, 2017, 11:52:45 am »
I'm about 1000 ft from the Brazos but we have excellent drainage here.  With the rain at it's heaviest, it does not build up in our street.  It goes from the storm drains, to a network of sloughs and then into a retention pond.  Right after we moved here about 10 years ago, the levees were upgraded and raised.  If that had not been done, we would have flooded last year and would have also flooded by tomorrow or Tuesday.  Last year, the Brazos in our area reached 54.7 ft and they predict 55 ft for this week, so we should be OK in that respect.

We do have flood insurance.  Freaky things can happen.  I have a friend who woke up one night with a flooded house.  She lived on a street where another street dead ended in between her and her neighbor's front yards.  It was designed such that rainwater, while draining, would flow down that other street toward hers.  They got some heavy rains and some debris was pushed into the storm drain and blocked it.  Her house and her neighbor's house were the only ones that flooded in the neighborhood. 

Glad to hear that everyone is at least safe.

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« Reply #577 on: August 27, 2017, 11:55:00 am »
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.

I almost left for Rita, had the truck all packed up, but I noticed that every update had the storm track a little more north. Once the tract shifted to north of Galveston Bay I knew I be ok. It blew like heck that night, 70-80 mph out of the north but no storm surge. Unfortunately Ike brought in 13+ feet of water.  The clean up after Ike was no fun.

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« Reply #578 on: August 27, 2017, 11:58:31 am »
Yes I remember and Katrina did not even hit New Orleans. It was corrupt elected Democrats that caused the damage to New Orleans not Katrina.  A levy was not properly maintained and the neither was the pumping equipment. But Katrina gets the blame, easy scapegoat.
I worked in New Orleans and moved right before Katrina.

The Levee Boards were simply political appointees who were given generous expense accounts and remuneration, and did not have to possess expertise to properly manage Levees. 

Voters approved a Constitutional Amendment to change the way they are selected and vetted.  Some of the requirements include:

Specific guidelines
The law requires a specific mix of engineers, scientists and water managers, other professionals with college degrees and 10 years' experience in their fields, and everyday folks who don't have to meet educational or work requirements.
"This is a very complicated process, a very difficult board to fill," Lapeyre said.
An added challenge is that an overwhelming number of the applicants live in Jefferson Parish or Orleans Parish, yet the boards can seat them only in limited numbers.
For example, the Southeast Louisiana Flood Protection Authority-East will have 11 commissioners to govern the East Jefferson, Lake Borgne Basin and Orleans levee districts, as well as the newly created St. Tammany and Tangipahoa levee districts. It also will oversee regional projects east of the Mississippi River in St. John the Baptist and St. Charles parishes. But only one member each can come from Jefferson, Orleans, St. Bernard, St. John, St. Tammany, St. Charles and Tangipahoa. The remaining four spots are set aside for people living elsewhere.
The west bank regional board will oversee the West Jefferson Levee District and the Algiers portion of New Orleans with two commissioners from each of its jurisdictions and three nonresidents.
In spite of the geographic specificity, Lapeyre said, it looks as though the nominating committee has the required number of applicants from all jurisdictions. That could change once the ethical overlay is added and the numbers begin to decline.
Lapeyre already knows some applicants will be eliminated or remove themselves from consideration, once they better understand some very strict state guidelines. Disqualifying factors include:
-- No board member or close relative can have interest in any entity that does business of any kind with the regional levee district, its subdistricts or any facilities that the board controls.
-- No elected officials or former elected officials, within 24 months of the termination of their terms, can serve on the boards.
-- No public employees or former public employees, within 12 months of the termination of their employment, can serve.
-- No person who has registered as a legislative lobbyist within two calendar years of the date of appointment can serve.
-- No person can serve while also seated on another board or commission that is appointed by any elected official or body of elected members.
-- Levee board members cannot support or oppose a political candidate or issue except by voting, nor become a member of any political committee or faction, nor solicit money on behalf of a candidate or party or help manage a campaign.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #579 on: August 27, 2017, 12:08:32 pm »
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.

Same here. I told my family that we could get only as far as 1/2 of a tank of gas would get us. We had to get back and there was no gas anywhere.

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« Reply #580 on: August 27, 2017, 12:44:04 pm »
Prayers for everyone who is battling the weather in TX.  It's unbelievable the amount of rain you're getting and am praying that all this rain and the floods stop soon.

Definitely not experiencing weather like you have, but we're dealing with heavy rains and flooding here in SWFL from another disturbance out in the Gulf.  Hopefully things will calm down soon.






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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #581 on: August 27, 2017, 01:38:08 pm »
Watching perhaps the worst tragedy in Texas history unfold.  Before it's over nothingng else will even come close.
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« Reply #582 on: August 27, 2017, 01:45:14 pm »
Yes I remember and Katrina did not even hit New Orleans. It was corrupt elected Democrats that caused the damage to New Orleans not Katrina.  A levy was not properly maintained and the neither was the pumping equipment. But Katrina gets the blame, easy scapegoat.

Katrina?  GWB more like it.  I heard on the news today someone urging Trump to "not repeat the mistakes of the Bush administration" re: Katrina.  Sheesh...
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« Reply #583 on: August 27, 2017, 01:46:15 pm »
Maybe some of those Katrina folks that came in '05 to Houston temporally.... will return home now.

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« Reply #584 on: August 27, 2017, 01:46:56 pm »
Watching perhaps the worst tragedy in Texas history unfold.  Before it's over nothingng else will even come close.

I think it will be pretty tough to top Galveston 1900.

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« Reply #585 on: August 27, 2017, 01:53:02 pm »
I think it will be pretty tough to top Galveston 1900.

You're probably right about that as far as loss of life is concerned but otherwise I think this is going  to top them all.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #586 on: August 27, 2017, 02:03:07 pm »
Maybe some of those Katrina folks that came in '05 to Houston temporally.... will return home now.


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« Reply #587 on: August 27, 2017, 02:20:28 pm »
Maybe some of those Katrina folks that came in '05 to Houston temporally.... will return home now.

We nicknamed some of those folks "Katridiots".
It may seem cruel, but some came over and just continued street ways.
Not all,of course but some did.

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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #588 on: August 27, 2017, 02:28:56 pm »
Drudge has this list of rain totals (so far) on his site for anyone interested.

http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/nfdscc1.html

132 inches sounds biblical to me.
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« Reply #589 on: August 27, 2017, 02:33:54 pm »


We nicknamed some of those folks "Katridiots".
It may seem cruel, but some came over and just continued street ways.
Not all,of course but some did.

They invaded texas like the moslem asylum seekers are doing today.....

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« Reply #590 on: August 27, 2017, 02:45:13 pm »
They invaded texas like the moslem asylum seekers are doing today.....

They took over some apartment complexes not far from me.

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« Reply #591 on: August 27, 2017, 03:07:36 pm »
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I expect my townhouse in Conroe, Montgomery County, that backs up to Harris County (Houston), has six feet of water or more inside the first floor, hopefully not the second floor but that is possible, as the drainage in my small backyard can't fast enough get rid of that much water coming down and the water from the townhomes on the right of me, also flows through my draining system, down through the townhomes on my left. They have to be all flooded likely up to the ceiling of the first floor and maybe the second floor, too.  There are 60+ townhomes there.  At least I am not there, I am north of Dallas.

We are watching the rescue of people in boats in Houston, and it looks like "The Walking Dead" with the rescuers moving slowly in the water pushing the boats, moving like Zombies in "Walking Dead".

My little Yorkie, Prissy, will have surgery on her left back leg knee tomorrow morning, Monday.  They will let us see her before they close on Monday but said she will be drowsy.  At least she will know we are there.  They will keep her overnight until Tuesday, to keep her on a pain drip.  We will get her sometime Tuesday.  Then, she will have to sit with us or be in the pink cage I got for her as they don't want her running or jumping for two weeks.

Prissy is my concern now as I can't do anything about the townhouse and there is no idea when roads will be clear enough to get to Conroe.

I have a dear friend who lives in Corpus Christi and he called me today as he thought I was likely in Conroe.  He said they never lost power in Corpus and the Corpus area is not bad. He teaches in Del Mar University there and says classes will resume tomorrow, Monday.  He said it was Rockport to their north that got the mass of destruction.  Rockport is mostly gone with nothing functioning.

I expect all the oil refining/chemical refining plants in Texas City are ruined.  If you live in northern states up the east cost, your gasoline and natural gas goes through pipelines from these plants in Texas City, which is on the Galveston Bay shoreline. Freya, that includes New Jersey.

The 20+ inches of rain is bad for those plants, but the major damage is going to be caused by the San Jacinto River flooding coming from where I lived in Coldspring, Texas.  The San Jacinto River dam is there.  It is that freshwater the gasoline/natural gas plants use in their systems.  The water from that river is intentionally directed to those plants.  The plants will be destroyed by that mass of river water coming to them.

When 911 happened, I saw military helicopters going over my house and I wondered where they were all going.  They were going to the San Jacinto River dam in that county.  The military protected that dam for a number of days.  I later found out that was because that water was essential to those plants, and if the dam was blown up, the water going downstream to those plants, would wipe them out.  Well, the dam wasn't blown up then but now the massive flooding of that river is as though the dam was blown up now. Water is over flowing the dam and so much rain is coming down into the river besides what is coming over the dam, into that river, the plants are being destroyed.  My guess is it will be months to years before those plants can start again.  The employees can't even get there as their homes are flooded and they are displaced from those homes and who knows when they can live in their houses again.

This is not being covered in the news due to right now people's lives hang in the balance, will they live or die right now because they can't be rescued.
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« Reply #592 on: August 27, 2017, 03:09:50 pm »
  Our Police Force locked the doors to the Red Cross and posted official stationary at all the Hotels/Motels: if your from Katrina go south another 20 miles to San Antonio.  They caught a lot of heat for that. Results were outstanding!
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« Reply #593 on: August 27, 2017, 03:11:07 pm »
They took over some apartment complexes not far from me.

Katridiots or moslems?  ;)

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« Reply #594 on: August 27, 2017, 03:11:47 pm »
Katridiots or moslems?  ;)

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« Reply #595 on: August 27, 2017, 03:14:22 pm »
  Our Police Force locked the doors to the Red Cross and posted official stationary at all the Hotels/Motels: if your from Katrina go south another 20 miles to San Antonio.  They caught a lot of heat for that. Results were outstanding!

I was working at Austin State Hospital during Katrina and well remember the "mental" patients we housed. Some were quite demanding and dissatisfied with the service, the service that took us away from our actual patients.
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« Reply #596 on: August 27, 2017, 03:24:40 pm »
Watching perhaps the worst tragedy in Texas history unfold.  Before it's over nothingng else will even come close.

OMG!  They are now saying that Harvey may dump an unprecedented 50 inches of rain. 

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« Reply #597 on: August 27, 2017, 03:24:45 pm »
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Tropical Storm Harvey: What to expect from the historic storm
ABC News,  Aug 27, 2017, 3:01 PM ET,  Morgan Winsor


Sunday through Monday

Harvey will head back toward the coastline and interact with the warm waters of the Gulf Coast early next week. Earlier forecast models indicated the storm could re-emerge briefly over the Gulf of Mexico and then make a second landfall in northeastern Texas or Louisiana. However, the latest track shows Harvey sticking to land, but coming close enough to the water to draw in some moisture, which will fuel additional rainfall.

This means areas that were already hit hard along the Texas coast should expect even more rain and wind, setting the stage for potentially catastrophic flooding and storm surge. Rainfall in some areas in Houston could reach as much as 40 to 50 inches.

"This is a very bad scenario to be dealing with," ABC News meteorologist Daniel Manzo said Saturday. "This will lead to staggering prolific amounts of rain."





Tuesday through Wednesday

Harvey will then take off northeast, moving further inland into Texas, but staying west of Houston.

Remember, the storm is an evolving system and its track could change.


More:  http://abcnews.go.com/US/tropical-storm-harvey-expect-historic-storm/story?id=49435050

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Re: Hurricane Harvey Public Advisory
« Reply #598 on: August 27, 2017, 03:29:58 pm »
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I expect my townhouse in Conroe, Montgomery County, that backs up to Harris County (Houston), has six feet of water or more inside the first floor, hopefully not the second floor but that is possible, as the drainage in my small backyard can't fast enough get rid of that much water coming down and the water from the townhomes on the right of me, also flows through my draining system, down through the townhomes on my left. They have to be all flooded likely up to the ceiling of the first floor and maybe the second floor, too.  There are 60+ townhomes there.  At least I am not there, I am north of Dallas.

We are watching the rescue of people in boats in Houston, and it looks like "The Walking Dead" with the rescuers moving slowly in the water pushing the boats, moving like Zombies in "Walking Dead".

My little Yorkie, Prissy, will have surgery on her left back leg knee tomorrow morning, Monday.  They will let us see her before they close on Monday but said she will be drowsy.  At least she will know we are there.  They will keep her overnight until Tuesday, to keep her on a pain drip.  We will get her sometime Tuesday.  Then, she will have to sit with us or be in the pink cage I got for her as they don't want her running or jumping for two weeks.

Prissy is my concern now as I can't do anything about the townhouse and there is no idea when roads will be clear enough to get to Conroe.

I have a dear friend who lives in Corpus Christi and he called me today as he thought I was likely in Conroe.  He said they never lost power in Corpus and the Corpus area is not bad. He teaches in Del Mar University there and says classes will resume tomorrow, Monday.  He said it was Rockport to their north that got the mass of destruction.  Rockport is mostly gone with nothing functioning.

I expect all the oil refining/chemical refining plants in Texas City are ruined.  If you live in northern states up the east cost, your gasoline and natural gas goes through pipelines from these plants in Texas City, which is on the Galveston Bay shoreline. Freya, that includes New Jersey.

The 20+ inches of rain is bad for those plants, but the major damage is going to be caused by the San Jacinto River flooding coming from where I lived in Coldspring, Texas.  The San Jacinto River dam is there.  It is that freshwater the gasoline/natural gas plants use in their systems.  The water from that river is intentionally directed to those plants.  The plants will be destroyed by that mass of river water coming to them.

When 911 happened, I saw military helicopters going over my house and I wondered where they were all going.  They were going to the San Jacinto River dam in that county.  The military protected that dam for a number of days.  I later found out that was because that water was essential to those plants, and if the dam was blown up, the water going downstream to those plants, would wipe them out.  Well, the dam wasn't blown up then but now the massive flooding of that river is as though the dam was blown up now. Water is over flowing the dam and so much rain is coming down into the river besides what is coming over the dam, into that river, the plants are being destroyed.  My guess is it will be months to years before those plants can start again.  The employees can't even get there as their homes are flooded and they are displaced from those homes and who knows when they can live in their houses again.

This is not being covered in the news due to right now people's lives hang in the balance, will they live or die right now because they can't be rescued.

@Victoria33 because I worked for a news agency, I did see a photo of Rockport. I wish I hadn't. It's giving me flashbacks of viewing Ground Zero when I was there after the event. Those poor people. Those poor critters.

I hope all goes well with your beloved Prissy tomorrow. I hope she won't have to wear a collar. Dogs and cats hate those collars. 
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« Reply #599 on: August 27, 2017, 03:32:21 pm »
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First responders put out call for citizens with boats
Galveston News, Aug 27, 2017, KEVIN M. COX/The Daily News

Galveston County and several cities are requesting assistance from experienced boaters willing to help with the large number of high water rescues waiting to be made across the area.

Please contact these departments directly if you can help:

Galveston County Sheriff's Office:

League City Police Department:

Dickinson Police Department:

Santa Fe Police Department:


More information:  http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_230fa080-d4a9-5e02-b690-a6748a5033d1.html