Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'

[RoosGirl]

Purge what Conservative relevance?  The country was ready for change.  If Conservatives had any relevance, they would have won.   It's really that simple.

Face it, there hasn't been any Conservative relevance since Ronald Reagan.  Perhaps it's time to do something more than whine about it and point fingers???

Finally, an admission that Trump is not a conservative. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Careful.  I'm watching you.   You shall not escape my wrath!   

Awwww, you know I'm sweet on you.  I love that kitteh.

[Cyber Liberty]

Finally, an admission that Trump is not a conservative.

Trump folks have been bragging for years conservatives are crap.  McConnell openly bragged about destroying them in Kentucky.  Where you been?

[RoosGirl]

Trump folks have been bragging for years conservatives are crap.  McConnell openly bragged about destroying them in Kentucky.  Where you been?

There's also at least one "Trump folk" here that has some list of Pro this and Pro that that proves Trump is a conservative.

[XenaLee]

Awwww, you know I'm sweet on you.  I love that kitteh.

lol

[Cyber Liberty]

There's also at least one "Trump folk" here that has some list of Pro this and Pro that that proves Trump is a conservative.

We have at least one here who swears up and down Obamacare is a conservative concept.  We have all kinds.

[RoosGirl]

We have at least one here who swears up and down Obamacare is a conservative concept.  We have all kinds.

Yep, I've read that nonsense also.

[XenaLee]

We have at least one here who swears up and down Obamacare is a conservative concept.  We have all kinds.

Oh... you mean from the resident "you didn't build that/you just got lucky" commie that calls himself a conservative?  Yeah.  He hasn't fooled anyone but himself with that shtick.

[Jazzhead]

We have at least one here who swears up and down Obamacare is a conservative concept.  We have all kinds.

ObamaCare is not a conservative concept.  It's an abomination.   The individual mandate is a conservative concept. 

[GtHawk]

Tagging him to Cruz with this statement is not helpful to the Senator.

Which is of course why they did it.

[Jazzhead]

Oh... you mean from the resident "you didn't build that/you just got lucky" commie that calls himself a conservative?  Yeah.  He hasn't fooled anyone but himself with that shtick.

You're lucky to have good health, and in this country, you're lucky to have good health insurance.   Talk to your neighbors and get some empathy for how folks are stressed and suffering.  And learn some insurance basics, especially if you want to call yourself a conservative.   

 

[Wingnut]

You're lucky to have good health, and in this country, you're lucky to have good health insurance.   Talk to your neighbors and get some empathy for how folks are stressed and suffering.  And learn some insurance basics, especially if you want to call yourself a conservative.

And The second member of Team Douche Canoe paddles upstream in this discussion.

[Cyber Liberty]

ObamaCare is not a conservative concept.  It's an abomination.   The individual mandate is a conservative concept.

Congratulations!  You contradicted yourself in only three sentences, a new personal record.  Be proud!

[Cyber Liberty]

And The second member of Team Douche Canoe paddles upstream in this discussion.

He tags first base as he runs for the second base standing out.  I'm waiting for the denial of virtue.

[Jazzhead]

Congratulations!  You contradicted yourself in only three sentences, a new personal record.  Be proud!

How so?    Lots of stuff wrong with the ACA, but the individual mandate isn't one of them.   You prefer single payer?   

[INVAR]

Trump folks have been bragging for years conservatives are crap.  McConnell openly bragged about destroying them in Kentucky.  Where you been?

I quite remember that.  McConnell not only worked with Democrats locally to sabotage the grassroots TEA Party, he publicly threatened to "punch us in the nose' for daring to run a grassroots conservative against him, and I will NEVER forget the kinds of sleazeball attacks his campaign flung at Bevin (who is now our Governor) that he NEVER flung at Obama or the Democrats.

It is becoming self evident that those who self-identify as Conservatives and talk about the fact Conservatism is not a winner and that the country wants change - are indeed better off caucusing with Democrats in whom they are more closely aligned in mindset, ideology and belief in terms of the role of the Big State in all our lives.

[Cyber Liberty]

How so?    Lots of stuff wrong with the ACA, but the individual mandate isn't one of them.   You prefer single payer?

[Jazzhead]

Well, so what was my contradiction?   

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, so what was my contradiction?

Your words:

ObamaCare is not a conservative concept.  <<==>> The individual mandate is a conservative concept.

Obamacare is all about mandates, you fool.  You lose, game over, my work is done on this thread.

[RoosGirl]

He tags first base as he runs for the second base standing out.  I'm waiting for the denial of virtue.

He already stated in a separate thread that he hates social conservatives.  Of course, he's not the only one around here that feels that way.  I'm good with the upfront info; tells me what I need to know.

[Jazzhead]

Your words:

ObamaCare is not a conservative concept.  <<==>> The individual mandate is a conservative concept.

Obamacare is all about mandates, you fool.  You lose, game over, my work is done on this thread.

The ACA runs a thousand pages, the individual mandate maybe a dozen.   The ACA is a comprehensive piece of overly intrusive governmental audacity.   The individual mandate is the one feature that rationally supports the idea of affordable community-rated insurance.   Stick with the discussion, don't cop out on me.       

[Jazzhead]

He already stated in a separate thread that he hates social conservatives.  Of course, he's not the only one around here that feels that way.  I'm good with the upfront info; tells me what I need to know.

I said I despise social conservatives and identity-politics liberals.   Birds of a feather IMO.

[dfwgator]

Trump's saving grace is that the economy is doing ok.

[truth_seeker]

Well, who the heck was that obnoxious white-cat-avatar Trumpette?

That would be a fine man, a Vietnam vet, run off this site by rude refugees.

[truth_seeker]

She still posts here, she posted the other day.

A man, a Vietnam Vet and worthy of respect.  An original member of this site, dating to 2009.

Imagine that. Somebody that has done more for his country, than talk.

[truth_seeker]

You're lucky to have good health, and in this country, you're lucky to have good health insurance.   Talk to your neighbors and get some empathy for how folks are stressed and suffering.  And learn some insurance basics, especially if you want to call yourself a conservative.

The people that are stressed and suffering, are those with insane premium increase, insane deductible increases.

For them I have empathy.

The average person that is getting a free or subsidy ride on the backs of taxpayers, is not suffering or stressed.

The individual mandate was merely the product of a think tank. Not one Republican voted for it on the national level.

Reagan spoke out strongly in opposition to national health care, fearing it was an unwise step towards socialism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnLa1BvtaxM

[Jazzhead]

The people that are stressed and suffering, are those with insane premium increase, insane deductible increases.

For them I have empathy.

Yes, the distortions in the private insurance market caused by the ACA need to be fixed.

The average person that is getting a free or subsidy ride on the backs of taxpayers, is not suffering or stressed.

The "average person", to be more specific, is a working guy who can't get insurance from his employer,  a guy who's lost or switched jobs, or gone into business for himself,  a guy who was laid off in his fifties.   These are typical Americans who've been helped by the ability to get community-rated individual insurance.   

The individual mandate was merely the product of a think tank. Not one Republican voted for it on the national level.

So what?  It's been supported by thoughtful conservatives at the state level.   

Reagan spoke out strongly in opposition to national health care, fearing it was an unwise step towards socialism.

Establishing a functioning community-rated private insurance market that encourages mobility and growth is the very best way to stave off socialism.   

[jpsb]

I'm convinced Destroying all Conservative candidates in the primaries to oppose Hillary was the main purpose of Trump being in the running.  Hildabeast's Stalking Horse.   I think that instead of taking a knee in the final round like he was supposed to, Trump could't let go of the idea of 'winning' and pushed on for the 'win'.

I think that stunned the entirety of D.C. who thought the 'fix' was in.

The secondary payload of Trump in the White House is to purge Conservatism from any and all political relevance in the GOP and ensure the Uniparty forever remains unopposed by limited government and individual liberty idealism.

There were only three conservative candidates, Rand Paul, Me Too Ted, and Trump. Rand never caught on. "Me Too Ted" decided to go "Lying Ted" and doomed himself by running a very nasty campaign. That left Trump.  All the rest were Bushbots.

[Axeslinger]

@Jazzhead
Ok, you've convinced me.  One last hurdle to clear:which part of the Constitution explicitly states that it is within the federal government's purview to dictate the terms between individual citizens and a private industry OR dictate the terms by which people get healthcare?

IT'S NOT THEIR JOB!  It is ONLY a means by which they will grab more power over our lives.  No thank you!

[endicom]

I voted for the Constitution Party, Castle.  And I would do it again if the election were held today.

You might want to check the website of his legal practice to see just how principled he truly is.

[Sanguine]

There were only three conservative candidates, Rand Paul, Me Too Ted, and Trump. Rand never caught on. "Me Too Ted" decided to go "Lying Ted" and doomed himself by running a very nasty campaign. That left Trump.  All the rest were Bushbots.

Oh, yes, "Lyin Ted".  Heck, he was so good at it he almost outlied Trump.   

[Cripplecreek]

I voted for the Constitution Party, Castle.  And I would do it again if the election were held today.

As would I because I won't stain my soul by voting for degenerate garbage like trump.

[aligncare]

A man, a Vietnam Vet and worthy of respect.  An original member of this site, dating to 2009.

Imagine that. Somebody that has done more for his country, than talk.

Thanks for the kind words. That's something that has been sorely missing from these pages lately.

And allow me take this opportunity to thank you for your service, as well. You will always have my respect.

[skeeter]

There were only three conservative candidates, Rand Paul, Me Too Ted, and Trump. Rand never caught on. "Me Too Ted" decided to go "Lying Ted" and doomed himself by running a very nasty campaign. That left Trump.  All the rest were Bushbots.

Yeah, Ted lost me when he personally attacked Trump's father and wife.

[Sanguine]

Yeah, Ted lost me when he personally attacked Trump's father and wife.

I know, right?

[Wingnut]

Thanks for the kind words. That's something that has been sorely missing from these pages lately.

And allow me take this opportunity to thank you for your service, as well. You will always have my respect.

That's what I like about this place. In that there is respect between fine members like yourselves.  Now that the mutual bullshit is over with you two pile o monkey nuts can we get back to the task at hand.... or are we just jerking off?

[kevindavis007]

Read credible guy there...

The Trump presidency is not over, but he needs to start making some major changes.

I agree.. He better change now..

[Bigun]

That's what I like about this place. In that there is respect between fine members like yourselves.  Now that the mutual bullshit is over with you two pile o monkey nuts can we get back to the task at hand.... or are we just jerking off?

I respect the honorable service of everyone who served but see no need to continually drag that into every conversation on this site.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I agree.. He better change now..

What are the chances of that happening?

[kevindavis007]

What are the chances of that happening?

1% of that happening.

[corbe]

Thanks for the kind words. That's something that has been sorely missing from these pages lately.

And allow me take this opportunity to thank you for your service, as well. You will always have my respect.

   We don't agree on to much Politically @aligncare @truth_seeker BUT like all Members here your participation is welcome and usually respected.  Thank You

[RoosGirl]

That's what I like about this place. In that there is respect between fine members like yourselves.  Now that the mutual bullshit is over with you two pile o monkey nuts can we get back to the task at hand.... or are we just jerking off?

 

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Ok, you've convinced me.  One last hurdle to clear:which part of the Constitution explicitly states that it is within the federal government's purview to dictate the terms between individual citizens and a private industry OR dictate the terms by which people get healthcare?

IT'S NOT THEIR JOB!  It is ONLY a means by which they will grab more power over our lives.  No thank you!

It has long been the role of government to regulate the insurance industry.   Government has traditionally regulated both the financial integrity of the insurer (e.g., reserve requirements) and the kind of policies that can be sold in a state.     Before the ACA, for example, some states required community rating, and others did not.

You seem to object to such regulation at the federal level;  do you also object to regulation at the state level?   If you favor the rights of the states to regulate - which is my position - what do you think of the conservative proposal to allow insurers to sell their products across state lines, and thereby circumvent state law requirements for quality and content?   

[Sanguine]

It has long been the role of government to regulate the insurance industry.   Government has traditionally regulated both the financial integrity of the insurer (e.g., reserve requirements) and the kind of policies that can be sold in a state.     Before the ACA, for example, some states required community rating, and others did not.

You seem to object to such regulation at the federal level;  do you also object to regulation at the state level?   If you favor the rights of the states to regulate - which is my position - what do you think of the conservative proposal to allow insurers to sell their products across state lines, and thereby circumvent state law requirements for quality and content?   

Jazzhead, just an observation - your comment very clearly shows that you aren't very familiar with the Constitution.

[Jazzhead]

Jazzhead, just an observation - your comment very clearly shows that you aren't very familiar with the Constitution.

A difference of opinion doesn't imply a lack of familiarity.   Do you favor a federal rule allowing folks to obtain insurance policies across state lines?   How does that square with the Constitution in your view?   Why shouldn't the states be able to regulate the content of health insurance sold to folks within their borders?   

[Sanguine]

A difference of opinion doesn't imply a lack of familiarity.   Do you favor a federal rule allowing folks to obtain insurance policies across state lines?   How does that square with the Constitution in your view?   Why shouldn't the states be able to regulate the content of health insurance sold to folks within their borders?   

It's not that you have a difference of opinion that shows your lack of familiarity.

[INVAR]

It has long been the role of government to regulate the insurance industry.   

We don't care, we want them gone and out of it.

Government is Midas in reverse - everything it touches turns to shit.  Everyone they 'help' is made miserable and more impoverished and less served.

Your Beast is a deadly poison needed to be kept in a very small bottle.

[Jazzhead]

It's not that you have a difference of opinion that shows your lack of familiarity.

Care to answer my questions? 

[Sanguine]

Care to answer my questions?

Jazz, at this point you don't know enough for my answers to make sense to you.  Come back when you've read and understood our Constitution.

[Wingnut]

Jazz, at this point you don't know enough for my answers to make sense to you.  Come back when you've read and understood our Constitution.

Burn!