Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger

[DiogenesLamp]

I don't even know what that means.   How about using some words,  preferably English,  well articulated,  and then I can understand you well enough to respond?   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The problem with what you say is the fact that the government DOES already control a great deal of it!  That needs to change!

How?

And what would you propose?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I don't even know what that means.   How about using some words,  preferably English,  well articulated,  and then I can understand you well enough to respond?

I have nothing to say to your posts that would leave me good standing here.

[Bigun]

How?

And what would you propose?

The FCC controls the airwaves 100% in this country.  I would propose making MORE of the spectrum available rather than less as they have been doing recently.

I would also move in the courts to break up the cabal that currently controls ALL of the media in this country.

[DiogenesLamp]

Meh, it's dinosaur media. Media isn't a finite thing anymore. Lots of option these days.

Google and Facebook and Twitter "New"  media are taking up the slack where the dinosaur media is leaving off,  and in fact becoming even more manipulative, authoritarian and censorious. 


Waving your hand about "dinosaur media"   is simply wishing the problem would go away without even recognizing what a threat it is. 

Putting government in control of the media is a horrible solution. You would think you of all people would know that.

The Deep State Mutual benefit association already controls the media.   You are seemingly not grasping the fact that the WORST PEOPLE to possibly have their hands on it,   already do. 


A Defacto  part of the government already controls the media.   Did you not even pay attention during the Obama years to articles regarding Obama's white house approving media articles before publication?   Did you not notice the articles in which Obama's white house would tell them what they could ask him and what subjects they could write about? 


What is wrong with you people?   The very thing you claim to fear is ALREADY HAPPENING!!!!  

[DiogenesLamp]

I have nothing to say to your posts that would leave me good standing here.

Believe me,  I understand completely how you feel.   Many is the time I want to add "Idiot"  or "moron"  or "fool"  or "Imbecile"   or "dull witted baboon"   or some other pejorative to describe what I perceive to be a lack of knowledge or intelligence on the part of people with whom I am arguing.   

But I refrain.   :) 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The FCC controls the airwaves 100% in this country.  I would propose making MORE of the spectrum available rather than less as they have been doing recently.

Airwaves? Who listens to media over the air anymore? Most people get news through cable or internet. Even cord-cutters usually use the internet heavily. There's basically no limit to it.

[Bigun]

Airwaves? Who listens to media over the air anymore? Most people get news through cable or internet. Even cord-cutters usually use the internet heavily. There's basically no limit to it.

Millions upon millions do!  Most have no access to cable and many have very limited internet access to this day.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Millions upon millions do!  Most have no access to cable and many have very limited internet access to this day.

Most of those people, the vast majority, live in rural areas that already overwhelmingly vote GOP every voting cycle.

So try again.

[DiogenesLamp]

How?

Well first of all,   we get the stubborn among us to finally grasp what a threat to the nation it is to allow effectively one party control of the broadcasting system and all other media.   Once we wake people up to the danger,  we can come up with various ideas on how to respond to it.   


I've had dozens of ideas about what to do about this,   and many of them are simply what private individuals can do themselves,   but until people understand the need,  it is pointless to discuss what might theoretically can be done about it. 

And what would you propose?

In the past i've proposed dozens of potential solutions,    but most of the time you can't get the discussion past the Chicken Little "Sky is falling"  objections to the idea of reigning in a deliberately polarized and political broadcasting system.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Airwaves? Who listens to media over the air anymore? Most people get news through cable or internet. Even cord-cutters usually use the internet heavily. There's basically no limit to it.

The members of the Party of Government are increasingly controlling those,  and if we get another Democrat Congress there is a strong probability that the entire internet will become tightly controlled regarding political speech.   

Appologists like you and Oceander will then say this is perfectly okay because the entire internet equipment is owned by private companies and therefore it is no problem that they control 100% of all speech. 

With all broadcasting and all internet access controlled by left wing forces,  your argument will be "But people can still go out into the streets and give speeches,   therefore we don't have censorship of speech!"  and then we shall simply succumb to the Socialist forces who can reach millions every day while we argue whether or not reaching 10s of people or 100s of people is acceptable. 


You people aren't seeing the big picture here.   If we continue as we are going,   we will be socialist and totalitarian in short order. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The members of the Party of Government are increasingly controlling those,  and if we get another Democrat Congress there is a strong probability that the entire internet will become tightly controlled regarding political speech.   

Appologists like you and Oceander will then say this is perfectly okay because the entire internet equipment is owned by private companies and therefore it is no problem that they control 100% of all speech. 

Ridiculously weak strawman, Diogenes. You think @Oceander and I would be ok with the Democrat Congress censoring media? Are you kidding?

[DiogenesLamp]

Most of those people, the vast majority, live in rural areas that already overwhelmingly vote GOP every voting cycle.

So try again.

Reminds me of this joke,  I think by Yacov Smirinoff. 


"In Soviet Russia we have two channels.   On Channel 1 is nothing but propaganda.  On Channel 2 is KGB officer saying "TURN BACK TO CHANNEL 1!"   

[DiogenesLamp]

Ridiculously weak strawman, Diogenes. You think @Oceander and I would be ok with the Democrat Congress censoring media? Are you kidding?

You seem to be okay with the Supreme Soviet of the Deep State controlling it,   so why would we expect you to object to a Democrat Congress making it official?   


The Media is currently under the control of people who have an interest in "big government."   These "Crony Capitalists"  who's wealth and power depends upon Government spending and control   and who have wide and deep connections within the apparatus of Washington DC  are as big a threat as if Government controlled the Transmitters directly.   


These are the Agents of Government,  deliberately promoting news and information to support the agenda of a bigger government,   and deliberately censoring news that does not. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You seem to be okay with the Supreme Soviet of the Deep State controlling it,   so why would we expect you to object to a Democrat Congress making it official?   


The Media is currently under the control of people who have an interest in "big government."   These "Crony Capitalists"  who's wealth and power depends upon Government spending and control   and who have wide and deep connections within the apparatus of Washington DC  are as big a threat as if Government controlled the Transmitters directly.   


These are the Agents of Government,  deliberately promoting news and information to support the agenda of a bigger government,   and deliberately censoring news that does not.

There is so much stupid in the crap you write it's impossible to respond to all of it.

[Bigun]

There is so much stupid in the crap you write it's impossible to respond to all of it.

Burring your head in the sand and pretending that there is no problem here is STUPID!

[Smokin Joe]

Millions upon millions do!  Most have no access to cable and many have very limited internet access to this day.

In all fairness, in this area we get four broadcast channels. Cable ups the ante, the internet most anything.

Rural areas are either wired, or people get satellite, but the farther people are spread out, the more you depend on something other than broadcast. because depending on broadcast  is to do without. But the same networks are on cable, and even satellite saying the same stuff. Twitter and facebook are full of the same nonsense, so the 'message' gets  repeated play, with some pumping from shills, paid or otherwise.

What I would like to know, is how much the government, the political parties each spend a year for people on social media clandestinely pushing their agendae. Not folks who step up and say they are from govt. or some political party and a paid operative, but the ones who get a check (and won't tell) to push their employer's stuff.

[Smokin Joe]

Reminds me of this joke,  I think by Yacov Smirinoff. 


"In Soviet Russia we have two channels.   On Channel 1 is nothing but propaganda.  On Channel 2 is KGB officer saying "TURN BACK TO CHANNEL 1!"   

They've mellowed out. I think it used to be You watch channel 1, is propaganda. Turn to channel 2, it watches you!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Burring your head in the sand and pretending that there is no problem here is STUPID!

Yeah, I notice how you didn't respond to any of the points I made.

[Bigun]

Yeah, I notice how you didn't respond to any of the points I made.

What points?  All I've seen you do is slap your forehead and make senseless statements.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

What points?  All I've seen you do is slap your forehead and make senseless statements.

Right.

 

[bigheadfred]

I don't think people really care that much about the veracity of the news in general. The can figure out the important things in their lives without the news media's intervention. Their jobs disappear, their food budget gets harder. Doctor visits and health care are more expensive. or non existent. Can't afford prescriptions. Paychecks don't go as far. The demographics in your neighborhood change. The levies for schools, roads, etc. that they have to pay for. The problems with drug abuse. On and on. You get what I am saying.

Texas Radio and the Big Beat...

[DiogenesLamp]

There is so much stupid in the crap you write it's impossible to respond to all of it.

And here is where I inform you that you think it is stupid because you don't have sufficient knowledge or understanding to grasp it.   


It is effectively over your head in terms of complexity. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And here is where I inform you that you think it is stupid because you don't have sufficient knowledge or understanding to grasp it.   


It is effectively over your head in terms of complexity.

[DiogenesLamp]

I don't think people really care that much about the veracity of the news in general. The can figure out the important things in their lives without the news media's intervention. Their jobs disappear, their food budget gets harder. Doctor visits and health care are more expensive. or non existent. Can't afford prescriptions. Paychecks don't go as far.

And nobody is telling them why.   The Democrat Media complex is telling them that all these conditions are merely illusions because Inflation has been very low under Obama and Employment is just great!   



The media doesn't mention that Obama stripped Food and Fuel out of the Federal inflation calculations so as to disguise the fact that a large chunk of what most people spend money on did in fact dramatically increase in price.    His Employment statistics were manipulated to create the impression that unemployment was stable,   but of course his administration changed the manner of calculating it.   


An Objective media would be constantly mentioning that the numbers have been deliberately jiggered by the Administration,   and that calculated in the previous way,  both unemployment and inflation were quite high.   


The reason the media accommodated Obama lies about official figures was to help Obama get reelected.  If a Republican had done this they would have been stomping him with both feet from day 1. 


All of the consequences of Obama's reelection can be laid at the feet of the "news"  people whom most of the American public believed at the time were objective and looking out for them.   

If Iran gets Nuclear warheads as a result of Obama's reelection which is itself a result of media manipulation of the public,   we will have much bloodshed to point to as an example of why we never should have been tolerating the media manipulation of the news.