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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #225 on: June 14, 2017, 04:04:17 pm »
I don't think people really care that much about the veracity of the news in general. The can figure out the important things in their lives without the news media's intervention. Their jobs disappear, their food budget gets harder. Doctor visits and health care are more expensive. or non existent. Can't afford prescriptions. Paychecks don't go as far. The demographics in your neighborhood change. The levies for schools, roads, etc. that they have to pay for. The problems with drug abuse. On and on. You get what I am saying.

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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #226 on: June 14, 2017, 04:05:03 pm »



And here is another silly picture attempting to perform the task of intelligent rebuttal,  and failing.   


I think I see the problem with arguing with you.   You are the sort that does better with pictures than reading text.   


I should write up my arguments as comic books,  and then perhaps you could follow them. 


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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #227 on: June 14, 2017, 04:07:23 pm »

And here is another silly picture attempting to perform the task of intelligent rebuttal,  and failing.   


I think I see the problem with arguing with you.   You are the sort that does better with pictures than reading text.   


I should write up my arguments as comic books,  and then perhaps you could follow them.
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« Reply #228 on: June 14, 2017, 04:09:20 pm »
Perfect sense to me.  Well said.


You know,  it's funny to me.   I used to post over at "Ace of Spades"  several years ago,   and my number one point was about Media manipulating our elections through biased or false news and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


People thought I was too hard on the News people,  and eventually I quit arguing with them.   


For the last couple of months I peek in there ever so often and what do I find?   I find them frothing mad about how the media keeps manipulating the political landscape through biased or false news,  and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


It took them awhile,   but they finally realized on their own that what I was telling them was in fact the most serious problem currently facing America today.   


I guess some people have to get beat in the head often enough with an obvious stick before they finally recognize what is happening. 


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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #229 on: June 14, 2017, 04:12:00 pm »
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I guess that's an improvement over being called a "Nazi"  because I think we need to stop real National Socialists from trying to control the nation. 


This one at least makes no pretense of being anything other than a silly picture. 

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« Reply #230 on: June 14, 2017, 04:12:43 pm »


I guess that's an improvement over being called a "Nazi"  because I think we need to stop real National Socialists from trying to control the nation. 


This one at least makes no pretense of being anything other than a silly picture.

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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #231 on: June 14, 2017, 04:18:50 pm »

And here is where I inform you that you think it is stupid because you don't have sufficient knowledge or understanding to grasp it.   


It is effectively over your head in terms of complexity.

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I just don't get why a conservative person refuses to accept that theres a problem.   The media is obviously biased to the point of passing fiction off as fact.  The foreign and governmental ties are very well documented.   Our freedoms are being used to destroy us.   

Either people are completely out of touch or they have a hidden agenda.
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #232 on: June 14, 2017, 04:25:43 pm »
@DiogenesLamp
I just don't get why a conservative person refuses to accept that theres a problem.   The media is obviously biased to the point of passing fiction off as fact.  The foreign and governmental ties are very well documented.   Our freedoms are being used to destroy us.   

Either people are completely out of touch or they have a hidden agenda.


They are out of touch.   They can't see what we see because they have braced their mind against it. 

It is a form of cognitive dissonance.   

Give them enough time,   and let them see enough evidence on their own,  and they will eventually have an "Ah Ha!"  moment.   



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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #234 on: June 14, 2017, 04:57:04 pm »

You know,  it's funny to me.   I used to post over at "Ace of Spades"  several years ago,   and my number one point was about Media manipulating our elections through biased or false news and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


People thought I was too hard on the News people,  and eventually I quit arguing with them.   


For the last couple of months I peek in there ever so often and what do I find?   I find them frothing mad about how the media keeps manipulating the political landscape through biased or false news,  and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


It took them awhile,   but they finally realized on their own that what I was telling them was in fact the most serious problem currently facing America today.   


I guess some people have to get beat in the head often enough with an obvious stick before they finally recognize what is happening.


@DiogenesLamp, if you wonder why people tend not to listen to you, maybe you should take a look at how your posts sound.  The prevailing tone tends to be one of "I know best, I have it all figured out, and you're a fool if you don't think like me.  On the other hand, if you smarten up one day, I'll take the credit and I told you so."

That kind of attitude increases your chances that people are going to blow you off.

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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #235 on: June 14, 2017, 05:00:43 pm »
Another example of media censorship which is intended to affect US policy. 


Fire Jihad: Muslim Convert Arrested for arson in huge LA fire

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The LA Times has reported that a 56-year-old man has been arrested for arson in a fire that destroyed about $80 million of apartment buildings under construction and a city-owned building. They give his name as Timothy Roston – but his current name is Daud Abdulwali. Of course, the LA Times didn’t mention this. (thanks to Chris and Diane).


http://pamelageller.com/2015/05/fire-jihad-muslim-convert-arrested-for-arson-in-huge-la-fire.html/



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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #236 on: June 14, 2017, 05:17:21 pm »

@DiogenesLamp, if you wonder why people tend not to listen to you, maybe you should take a look at how your posts sound.  The prevailing tone tends to be one of "I know best, I have it all figured out, and you're a fool if you don't think like me.  On the other hand, if you smarten up one day, I'll take the credit and I told you so."

That kind of attitude increases your chances that people are going to blow you off.


That's what I say at the end when it is clear they aren't  going to follow  the evidence or the reasoning.   I don't lead with that.   


When I begin I always assume I am talking to intelligent and knowledgeable people,  and then many of them quickly disabuse me of that notion.   


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« Reply #237 on: June 14, 2017, 05:29:18 pm »

That's what I say at the end when it is clear they aren't  going to follow  the evidence or the reasoning.   I don't lead with that.   


When I begin I always assume I am talking to intelligent and knowledgeable people,  and then many of them quickly disabuse me of that notion.


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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #238 on: June 14, 2017, 05:34:29 pm »
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #239 on: June 14, 2017, 07:12:23 pm »
@DiogenesLamp
I just don't get why a conservative person refuses to accept that theres a problem.   

This sentence alone implies facts not in evidence.

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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #240 on: June 14, 2017, 07:18:58 pm »
This sentence alone implies facts not in evidence.

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Well this isn't a court of law but I'll play.   First you'll have to clarify where the clarification is needed; that they are conservative or that theres a problem.
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #241 on: June 14, 2017, 07:28:24 pm »
@skeeter
Well this isn't a court of law but I'll play.   First you'll have to clarify where the clarification is needed; that they are conservative or that theres a problem.

I agree completely with your suggestion that though they may claim to hold a conservative POV they likely do not. No real conservative with normal critical thinking skills who has suffered the constant abuse at the hands of the MSM over the past several decades could possibly deny it.

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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #242 on: June 14, 2017, 08:02:41 pm »

You know,  it's funny to me.   I used to post over at "Ace of Spades"  several years ago,   and my number one point was about Media manipulating our elections through biased or false news and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


People thought I was too hard on the News people,  and eventually I quit arguing with them.   


For the last couple of months I peek in there ever so often and what do I find?   I find them frothing mad about how the media keeps manipulating the political landscape through biased or false news,  and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


It took them awhile,   but they finally realized on their own that what I was telling them was in fact the most serious problem currently facing America today.   


I guess some people have to get beat in the head often enough with an obvious stick before they finally recognize what is happening.
The whole time some people are seeing breaking trends, others are in denial. 

Take any accepted scientific standard today (except this AGW nonsense, which uses scientificalish seeming stuff), and go back in time and even demonstrate it to be true and you will still be fought as a lunatic.
There were fistfights in the aisles at conferences over Continental Drift (Plate Tectonics) vs Geosynclinal theory as late as the 50s.
Political trends have even higher levels of emotion attached to them.
I have found with 'radical' ideas that first they are ridiculed, then fought tooth and nail, then they start to gain a trickle of acceptance, then everyone is fighting over who gets the credit for the idea, usually pushing the people who first brought it up out of that loop.

It doesn't matter what it is, if you see it first, prepare for it, then let hints to get people to figure things out for themselves. It's safer that way. Don't worry about getting credit for being right, you won't. 
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #243 on: June 14, 2017, 08:41:48 pm »

You know,  it's funny to me.   I used to post over at "Ace of Spades"  several years ago,   and my number one point was about Media manipulating our elections through biased or false news and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


People thought I was too hard on the News people,  and eventually I quit arguing with them.   


For the last couple of months I peek in there ever so often and what do I find?   I find them frothing mad about how the media keeps manipulating the political landscape through biased or false news,  and censorship of information damaging to Democrats.   


It took them awhile,   but they finally realized on their own that what I was telling them was in fact the most serious problem currently facing America today.   


I guess some people have to get beat in the head often enough with an obvious stick before they finally recognize what is happening.
Anyone who grew up in an ethnically diverse area should have noticed that the description of perpetrators often went right down to the shoes they wore, but conveniently left out the race, at least often enough that the absence of the inclusion of a racial demographic indicator was in and of itself an indicator that the perpetrator was black.
The whole "Amish" thing at TOS was started in response to the absence of such characteristics in descriptions of perpetrators, even if the suspect was still at large. 
Then, when names were left out, often those names were Arabic sounding (at the least).

If a politician was being gigged over something--especially a heinous criminal act, if they were a Republican, it was in the first line of the story, if not the headline. If a Democrat, that affiliation was not to be found or buried near the end, and then only for stories that could not themselves be buried.

What may have started as denial on the part of individual writers, however, has become an endemic trait of the industry. More can often be correctly deduced from a story by what is NOT said, which dogs didn't bark, and what is actively downplayed. If something happens in your town and the FBI pops in within the hour and says it isn't an act of terrorism, you can just about bet your sweet bippie terrorism is suspected.

That level of deception and bias is so commonplace in the Liberal Media, that everyone thought FOX was right-wing for being (more accurately) "fair and balanced". They were, in fact, middle of the road, for the most part.  They even had a liberal or two giving opinions (Williams, Bolling, et al).

Were the problem comes in, though is where people don't notice such things, and many don't, either because they conform to their own bias, they aren't thinking about what is actually being said, or they are incapable of critical thought. It is equally risky to jump to conclusions based on counter bias learned from innumerable instances of the media downplaying or ignoring salient facts.

Perhaps the gold standard was "It's just about sex." accompanied by winks on national network news, referring to the (then) POTUS's perjury and obstruction of justice, not to mention using an intern for personal gratification; behaviour which would have had any CEO on the planet summarily sacked by the close of the next workday, but charges the Left would gladly have tossed Richard Nixon out for, well the first two, anyway. There was no indication of intern abuse in the Nixon White House, nor infidelity, nor quibbling over the meaning of "is". Ironically, an overzealous Hillary Rodham Clinton was pursuing Nixon's ouster on nearly equal charges when she lost that job. Not even Fox would touch that.
Instead the press lauded her for standing by her man, and taking one for the 'team' even though she wasn't the one taking one, and ever covered her tracks after that, though they'd buried the FBI files story, some of the Rose Law Firm goodies, Whitewater, and cattle trading long before.

Had Clinton faced a press with the vigor for heads on pikes they displayed during Watergate, whoever ran as a Republican for POTUS would have faced a different challenger, possibly following a different Democrat (because that one got a pass in even more ways than HRC and Bubba).

Yes, the bias is important, more so than ever. But it has ever been more important to be kingmaker than king, and the press has appointed itself the role.
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #244 on: June 14, 2017, 08:50:00 pm »
They've mellowed out. I think it used to be You watch channel 1, is propaganda. Turn to channel 2, it watches you!

Well today with Smart TVs,   TV now really does watch you.

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« Reply #245 on: June 14, 2017, 08:55:27 pm »
Well today with Smart TVs,   TV now really does watch you.
Anything with a camera chip in it is capable. First thing my granddaughters do is cover the lens aperture on their laptops with black tape to keep anyone from ever peeking, and that wouldn't stop IR.
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2017, 12:37:11 am »
If you have kinda sorta have a lotta time on your hands here is something for you. From the Pew Research Center.

http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/state-of-the-news-media/


State of the News Media

Data and trends about key sectors in the U.S. news media industry
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« Reply #247 on: June 15, 2017, 01:12:01 am »
If you have kinda sorta have a lotta time on your hands here is something for you. From the Pew Research Center.

http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/state-of-the-news-media/


State of the News Media

Data and trends about key sectors in the U.S. news media industry

I found this one to be of particular interest.

http://www.journalism.org/2016/01/20/crowdfunded-journalism/
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« Reply #248 on: June 15, 2017, 01:40:28 am »
I found this one to be of particular interest.

http://www.journalism.org/2016/01/20/crowdfunded-journalism/

Crowdfund a media truth organization?
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Re: Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger
« Reply #249 on: June 15, 2017, 02:59:59 pm »
Top 6 Media Lies That Radicalized the Violent Left





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6. Making "nationalism" synonymous with "racist"

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5. Republicans want you to DIE

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4. Republicans have launched a war on women's health

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3. Republicans hate gays

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2. Donald Trump hates the planet (and so do all Republicans)

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1. Trump is colluding with the Russians!


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/14/top-6-media-lies-that-radicalized-the-violent-left/


Article contains video and text examples of each and every media claim. 

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