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So, how do you recommend we restore it?

Conservatives not acting like liberals would be a good start.

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Constitutional Amendment instituting term limits on the House and Senate would be a good start.

Not giving lifetime appointments to Federal Judges would be another.

Yes, both of those would be good to introduce in a CC.

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Yes, both of those would be good to introduce in a CC.

Some excellent suggestions above particularly from Sanguine and TXradioguy. Kudos.

The only thing that I personally will be pulling for strongly is the restoration of the legalization of monomachy. It would give me no end of pleasure to put the Fear of God into some blathering, mendacious, Satanic leftist by challenging them to a duel to the death, then legally put a bullet hole in their forehead or a misericord through their gullet, in that order. Then spit on their lifeless corpse walking away to claim all of their possessions. Does that make me a bad person?



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So, how do you recommend we restore it?

Levin's Liberty Amendments
Randy Barnett's Bill of Federalism

These proposed amendments (and there's some overlap as both of these gentlemen are aiming at the same targets) are a good starting place for discussion.
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Levin's Liberty Amendments
Randy Barnett's Bill of Federalism

These proposed amendments (and there's some overlap as both of these gentlemen are aiming at the same targets) are a good starting place for discussion.

No, I meant without a Constitutional Convention.  I am very much in favor of a CC, but there are a number of posters here who are, inexplicably to me, against the idea.  I want to know what their solutions are. 

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No, I meant without a Constitutional Convention.  I am very much in favor of a CC, but there are a number of posters here who are, inexplicably to me, against the idea.  I want to know what their solutions are.

Gotcha.  Frankly, nothing that has been tried heretofore has worked.  We need to try something new, hence, Article V convention.  Repeating what's failed over and over in the past is kind of crazy, don't you think?  It's along the lines of the socialists' perennial chant, "This time it'll actually work, for sure!"
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Gotcha.  Frankly, nothing that has been tried heretofore has worked.  We need to try something new, hence, Article V convention.  Repeating what's failed over and over in the past is kind of crazy, don't you think?  It's along the lines of the socialists' perennial chant, "This time it'll actually work, for sure!"

Yes, it is definitely time for some positive disruption.

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'Humility'???  Are you some kind of snowflake?

What makes you think I want followers?  I'm not interested in having anyone follow me. 

I point them to the truth - they can look into it themselves to see whether or not I'm correct or flip me the big middle finger and tell me to eff off because they are offended I dared to utter my viewpoint.  I don't care.

My cause is the Kingdom of God, not salvation through politics.


Anyone speaking the plain truth today is regarded as such and worse.  I stand in good company.

Plus, if you hadn't noticed, I really do not care what anyone thinks of me except God and my family.  In fact I revel in adversity.

This guy is a hoot, ain't he.  I have experienced his lunacy, first hand, previously.  Half the time he sounds rational.  The other half he sounds like a rabid contrarian on meth.  He's in contrarian mode right about now....lol.
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Gotcha.  Frankly, nothing that has been tried heretofore has worked.  We need to try something new, hence, Article V convention.  Repeating what's failed over and over in the past is kind of crazy, don't you think?  It's along the lines of the socialists' perennial chant, "This time it'll actually work, for sure!"

Damn right.  I'm at the point now where I'm willing to try anything that might help save this nation from the lunacy and insanity we're being inflicted with ..... from both sides of the aisle.
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Yes, it is definitely time for some positive disruption.

I think most people are sort of reluctant to move to a convention based upon the mostly bad publicity it has gotten (mostly from leftists) and also the tendency of smart people to look upon major change skeptically (since most of the major changes of the last 8 years have been horribly destructive).

Levin will surely be making the case on his radio program in the days ahead and dealing with the fears (both legitimate and otherwise) about the process far better than I could.

But based on what I've heard so far, the reasoning is thus:

- States with Republican, more-conservative majorities in their legislatures predominate across the country. This provides an opportunity to influence government at the federal level in ways that the Statist-laden U.S. Congress would never entertain.

-The moral case for this is founded in both the Federalist Papers (Levin's Liberty Amendments deals with this in detail, which renders moot the accusation that he is trying to sell a book since that book is already a best-seller) and in the fact that state legislatures better reflect the true constituencies of their populations than the U.S. Congress, because the voters of those states understand that legislatures are concerned with matters that affect the best interests of the inhabitants of the states, rather than serving some overweening national political agenda dominated by Statists of either party.
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So, how do you recommend we restore it?

As long as people assume the only solution to fixing and restoring our foundations is limited to just politics to the object of government, then it can never be restored.

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it". - John Adams, Letter to Abigail July 7, 1775

He wrote that because history and human nature bear that truth out and there is no exception to it.  An immoral, ignorant and indifferent people are incapable of maintaining a Constitution and will reject liberty in favor of slavery every single time.  I get nothing but silence, ridicule or aversion to the mere question about how to address that.

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@Sanguine
Constitutional Amendment instituting term limits on the House and Senate would be a good start.

Not giving lifetime appointments to Federal Judges would be another.

That's perzackly where I would start, too.  I might add some kind of balanced budget amendment.  Maybe also some sort of provision for review of past judicial decisions.  (That one would be dicey indeed, though, since it goes against Common Law [?] in the matter of binding precedents--including those created by Levin's awful Men in Black.  [I read somewhere that Thomas Jefferson declared "The greatest threat to a Constitutional Republic is activist judges."])

(I would also like an Amendment that says that anyone with a Hawaiian Birth Certificate will be ineligible for POTUS.  Best of all be would be to make it retroactive.  [Gee, I guess that retroactive feature is not possible--but it danged sure ought to be.]) :pondering:

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As long as people assume the only solution to fixing and restoring our foundations is limited to just politics to the object of government, then it can never be restored.

The whole damn country is slowly but surely going the way of the inner city black families that have been so thoroughly destroyed.

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As long as people assume the only solution to fixing and restoring our foundations is limited to just politics to the object of government, then it can never be restored.

"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it". - John Adams, Letter to Abigail July 7, 1775

He wrote that because history and human nature bear that truth out and there is no exception to it.  An immoral, ignorant and indifferent people are incapable of maintaining a Constitution and will reject liberty in favor of slavery every single time.  I get nothing but silence, ridicule or aversion to the mere question about how to address that.

OK, then, you stay out of the way and others of us will work to accomplish something. 

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@Sanguine
That's perzackly where I would start, too.  I might add some kind of balanced budget amendment.  Maybe also some sort of provision for review of past judicial decisions.  (That one would be dicey indeed, though, since it goes against Common Law [?] in the matter of binding precedents--including those created by Levin's awful Men in Black.  [I read somewhere that Thomas Jefferson declared "The greatest threat to a Constitutional Republic is activist judges."])

(I would also like an Amendment that says that anyone with a Hawaiian Birth Certificate will be ineligible for POTUS.  Best of all be would be to make it retroactive.  [Gee, I guess that retroactive feature is not possible--but it danged sure ought to be.]) :pondering:

I would start with balanced budget, no deficit funding unless _(fill in the limitations)____, and an order of funding that would put Congress (all funding that supports Congress including salaries and pensions) dead last. 

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OK, then, you stay out of the way and others of us will work to accomplish something.

That is a pretty ignorant indictment of the majority opinion of the Founders, including the one whose quote I posted above.

Is Adams wrong?  Is the solution to our current state simply Constitutional Amendments?

If so, good luck with that.  I'll be happy to wave you people along.
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That is a pretty ignorant indictment of the majority opinion of the Founders, including the one whose quote I posted above.

Is Adams wrong?  Is the solution to our current state simply Constitutional Amendments?

If so, good luck with that.  I'll be happy to wave you people along.

Either do something or get out of the way.

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Either do something or get out of the way.

I have been doing something vital all along.  A vast majority however (even on this board supposedly filled with Conservatives), discount, ridicule, ignore and/or despise it.

If few to none will even regard the root cause of how we have arrived at this state - then Adams will have been proven prophetic in his letter to Abigail in 1775 as far as this country goes.

BTW, you never answered my question as to whether or not you think Adams was wrong in his letter to Abigail, or if Amendments alone are the solution to what ails us.
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I'm not rejecting any tools the founders gave us.  All I'm saying is that at present, I do not believe that any such convention would render any improvements and may well render catastrophe instead!

Solo acts are very often admired and emulated!
 
Well, I always use the available tools I have.  Since we never used that one, surprised that you mention it offers no improvements and may be catastrophic. 

I would suggest that the Founders were smart enough to have placed that provision there deliberately as well as other shrewd language they provided in their document that has served us well these many years.
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Conservatives not acting like liberals would be a good start.
A fluff answer that is not an answer at all.
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Either do something or get out of the way.
I second that.  We need actionable items, not hand-wringers.
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I have been doing something vital all along. 

What exactly have you been doing? And what are your tangible accomplishments?

Changed any minds? Taken any actions?

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Well, I always use the available tools I have.  Since we never used that one, surprised that you mention it offers no improvements and may be catastrophic. 

What are you talking about?  Are you saying we never amended the Constitution before?  The ONLY difference in an Article V Convention of states to propose amendments and how we passed the other 27 Amendments is who proposes the Amendments.   Everything else is the same in terms of how it has to pass and be ratified.

Instead of Congress, the states do the proposing of Amendments under Article V.  That is the only method of proposing Amendments that has not been successfully attempted yet.

Doing so is not going to be a magic bullet to put down the Beast in D.C. and restore the Constitution. @Smokin Joe addressed exactly what will occur earlier in this thread and his points totally ignored the same as my questions and points have been.
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What are you talking about?  Are you saying we never amended the Constitution before?  The ONLY difference in an Article V Convention of states to propose amendments and how we passed the other 27 Amendments is who proposes the Amendments.   Everything else is the same in terms of how it has to pass and be ratified.

Instead of Congress, the states do the proposing of Amendments under Article V.  That is the only method of proposing Amendments that has not been successfully attempted yet.

Doing so is not going to be a magic bullet to put down the Beast in D.C. and restore the Constitution. @Smokin Joe addressed exactly what will occur earlier in this thread and his points totally ignored the same as my questions and points have been.

Your points haven't been ignored, they've been rejected as beside the point.  There's a difference.  And no one can possibly "address exactly what will occur," as no one can know the future.  You have deeply-held beliefs that many of us think are erroneous. But shrieking because we disagree with you only makes you look silly.

Oh, and the fact that in an Article V convention the proposers of the amendments are different from every other amendment proposer in the past isn't the piddling little detail you seem to think it is--it's in fact the major point of the whole exercise.
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What exactly have you been doing? And what are your tangible accomplishments?

Changed any minds? Taken any actions?

Plenty.  Some of it political.  Most of it not political.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775