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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #250 on: May 18, 2017, 03:50:41 pm »
The Braves without Freddie Freeman are like the Angels if they should lose Mike Trout for any considerable
length of time. Never underestimate the psychological power of having your franchise face on the field
with you.

Oh, I know, believe me.  We had proof enough of that in 2015.   
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« Reply #251 on: May 18, 2017, 04:53:17 pm »
Oh, I know, believe me.  We had proof enough of that in 2015.   
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Look at the Mets and how they're not doing, without Noah Syndergaard and Yoenis Cespedes.


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« Reply #252 on: May 18, 2017, 04:58:30 pm »
Look at the Mets and how they're not doing, without Noah Syndergaard and Yoenis Cespedes.

Absolutely.  It's bad for the team, bad for the fans, bad for the game.
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« Reply #253 on: May 18, 2017, 05:04:16 pm »
Absolutely.  It's bad for the team, bad for the fans, bad for the game.

Is that why they're 8-2 for the last 10?  We just swept them....
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« Reply #254 on: May 18, 2017, 05:35:10 pm »
Absolutely.  It's bad for the team, bad for the fans, bad for the game.
I've argued for a long time that teams need to be a lot smarter---and a lot firmer, depending---regarding
injuries. Playing through injuries may get you cred but it can damage your team and shorten your career.

Classic examples:

* Carl Crawford. Played through a bad elbow after signing a gigabucks deal with the Red Sox. Turned out
to need Tommy John surgery in 2012. Admitted he kept his mouth shut for fear of being called a quitter---
especially when Bobby Valentine (who once denounced Mets pitcher Pete Harnisch as a quitter when
Harnisch was actually suffering clinical depression while withdrawing from smokeless tobacco addiction)
managed the Red Sox.

* Leo Durocher was notorious for denouncing injured players as quitters. Among other things, that was
a key reason why the 1969 Cubs collapsed down the stretch: injured players feared speaking up. At one
point, Durocher fined players $500 for not reporting injuries, then fined them for reporting them claiming
they'd reported them "too late." Hell if you do, hell if you don't.

* When Burt Shotton managed the Brooklyn Dodgers, he believed the best way to recover from injuries
was to play through them. It wrecked the career of pitcher Carl Erskine, who pitched through his first
shoulder injury and, though he had a fine 13-year career, never became the ace he was predicted to
become and pitched his entire career in pain.

* David Ortiz tried to come back too soon from an Achilles Tendon injury in late August 2012 . . . and
ended up having to miss the rest of the season.

* Sandy Koufax called it a career after pitching two heavily-medicated seasons with an arthritic elbow.
The Dodgers wouldn't contend again until the 1970s.

* Remember Mark (The Bird) Fidrych? Spring training following his sensational rookie season: injured
his knee, came back too soon, and made a habit of coming back too soon from assorted injuries until
he learned the hard way his rotator cuff had been shredded completely: he learned it after he retired.

* Butch Hobson. Played the game like it was fourth and goal. Played through a shattered elbow and
became notorious for trying to re-arrange the bone chips in both elbows at the plate; set a record for
errors by a third baseman; never got a third of what he should have gotten out of his talent.

* Wayne Garland. Desperate to live up to one of the first long-term big-money free agency contracts,
Garland pitched through a shoulder injury in its first year. Learned after that season it was a rotator
cuff injury he pitched through. Had surgery but was never again the 20-game winning pitcher
for the Orioles that lured the Indians into signing him in the first place, though he did earn a
reputation for guts for trying to pitch on anyway. Fat lot of good it did him.

* Roger Maris. Lost most of his long ball power through a series of hand and wrist injuries, many
of which the Yankees actually tried to hide from him, the better to keep him going out there and
use his remaining box-office appeal as the team faded away in the mid-1960s.

* Jerome Walton. 1989 National League Rookie of the Year. Stole bases like they had his name on them.
Never again equaled that season: a broken wrist and hand turned him into a journeyman, barely.

* Steve Avery---Pitched through an armpit injury in the year he made his lone All-Star team; further
injuries in 1994 finished him as a winning pitcher.

* J.R. Richard---Could throw a shot put through concrete. Pitched through shoulder miseries in
1980, suffered accusations of it all being in his head. After the All-Star break: stroke. Career over.

Just to name a few.


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« Reply #255 on: May 18, 2017, 07:31:21 pm »
I've argued for a long time that teams need to be a lot smarter---and a lot firmer, depending---regarding
injuries. Playing through injuries may get you cred but it can damage your team and shorten your career.

Classic examples:
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Just to name a few.

Yes, agreed.  I don't mean to imply that players who are injured should suck it up and play through it.  I just meant that it is a shame on many levels when the superstar-level players (like Syndergaard or Baumgarner) get injured.

Your day-in-day-out hard core fans  :whistle:  are still going to be there watching every game, but your more casual fans who might plan a visit or two to the ballpark over the summer are probably less likely to do so if they aren't going to get to see the team's marquee player.  As you pointed out, the team morale takes a hit when the clubhouse leader goes down for the count.

Just bad luck, but still bad for the team, bad for the fans, bad for the game. 

Freddie Freeman's comments on Thor were spot on:
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"This is bad for baseball," Freeman said. "He is one of the top three pitchers in the game. The Mets are obviously feeling it a lot more than we are. But when you're talking about one of the game's best pitchers, you want him out there every fifth day. Having him out there is good for baseball and you want to compete against the best. And actually, the best are Syndergaard and Clayton Kershaw."
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"You don't want to see people get hurt," Freeman said. "I don't care if I was 0-for-30 with 30 strikeouts against him, you don't want to see that. He's out there competing. He doesn't want to get hurt and we don't want him to get hurt. There are going to be people that say, 'Good, he got hurt.' That's not how I feel and it's not how 99 percent of baseball feels. It's not good. This is one of those guys when you see him on TV, you stop to watch."
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« Reply #256 on: May 18, 2017, 07:47:52 pm »
Freddie Freeman's comments on Thor were spot on:
Bingo!

I mentioned what I mentioned earlier because Syndergaard declined a scheduled MRI and nobody on the Mets'
brass thought to tell him, "You get that MRI, we need you right!" Then they let him pitch two days later and
bing! Down he went.

Freddie Freeman I've always respected because he's always respected the people who play the game well and
do it right and well even if he's the victim.


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« Reply #257 on: May 18, 2017, 07:50:58 pm »
@Polly Ticks
Speaking of Clayton Kershaw, did you see him the other night? When the Giants' Johnny Cueto threw one
near Yasmani Grandal's head and both benches emptied, Kershaw just walked right through the mob that
was just jawing and jawing and then walked back in the dugout. As if to say, "I don't have time for this B.S."
Clayton Kershaw is a class act.

I had the pleasure of watching him pitch live two years ago and squeezed this shot of him mid-motion:





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« Reply #258 on: May 18, 2017, 07:57:35 pm »
@Polly Ticks
Speaking of Clayton Kershaw, did you see him the other night? When the Giants' Johnny Cueto threw one
near Yasmani Grandal's head and both benches emptied, Kershaw just walked right through the mob that
was just jawing and jawing and then walked back in the dugout. As if to say, "I don't have time for this B.S."
Clayton Kershaw is a class act.

I had the pleasure of watching him pitch live two years ago and squeezed this shot of him mid-motion:



Yes! Definitely a class act.

Wow - that's a fantastic photo!
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« Reply #259 on: May 18, 2017, 10:50:55 pm »
Yes! Definitely a class act.

Wow - that's a fantastic photo!
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Thank you!

Squeezed these off of Mike Trout at a different game . . .





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« Reply #260 on: May 19, 2017, 09:59:10 am »
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Thank you!

Squeezed these off of Mike Trout at a different game . . .





Nice!  I love Mike Trout.  He's a good guy.

I'm not much of a photographer, but here's my favorite snapshot of Freddie from our trip to Atlanta last year:
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« Reply #261 on: May 19, 2017, 10:07:39 am »
Nice!  I love Mike Trout.  He's a good guy.

I'm not much of a photographer, but here's my favorite snapshot of Freddie from our trip to Atlanta last year:

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From the look of that evidence you're a good photographer!


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« Reply #262 on: May 19, 2017, 10:12:04 am »
LOL -- thanks, but really I just got lucky because my husband bought me REALLY good seats for Christmas. 
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« Reply #263 on: May 19, 2017, 10:13:08 am »
LOL -- thanks, but really I just got lucky because my husband bought me REALLY good seats for Christmas.
Good seats and a zoom lens work!

(For both the games I photographed, I had seats down the right field line, and a zoom lens that could
hone right in on the mound or the plate at Angel Stadium.)


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« Reply #264 on: May 19, 2017, 01:36:12 pm »
Congrats on the stellar start to the season. Looking good. But … go Rangers!!! If y’all would quit winning every damn game, maybe we could gain some ground on you. 7 straight for the boys from Arlington.

9 straight.  Boy, the Phillies are spiraling down like a shot bird.   
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« Reply #265 on: May 19, 2017, 03:17:26 pm »
Who would say no? Dealing the Nationals a closer



The Need:  A Closer for the Nationals


The Washington Nationals need a closer. Heck, some would argue they need a whole new bullpen. Entering Thursday, they ranked 27th in the majors in bullpen ERA, 20th in win probability added and 16th in strikeout percentage minus walk percentage, while five different relievers have picked up saves. It's enough to make a modern manager's head explode.

With a commanding lead in the terrible NL East, the Nationals have time to sort through the guys on the roster. Veterans Shawn Kelley and Joe Blanton have each surrendered six home runs in 23⅔ combined innings, and if those two don't figure things out, the Nationals will be looking for more than just a closer. One possible addition: Erick Fedde, the 2014 first-round pick, who has been moved to a relief role at Double-A Harrisburg.

snip......


The trade: Soto and a second-tier pitching prospect for Herrera and Cain.

As good as Soto is, he's also just 18 and a few years from the majors. He's probably a left fielder in the long run since he lacks a prototypical right fielder's arm.

The Nationals make a huge upgrade in center field with Cain (who is a free agent) to replace the injured Adam Eaton and acquire Herrera for this season and next.

The Royals get a premium hitting prospect in a system that lacks one, which they'll need as Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas hit free agency.

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« Reply #266 on: May 19, 2017, 03:18:26 pm »
I cannot sit and watch the Nationals from the 7th inning on...

Nauseating.
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« Reply #267 on: May 19, 2017, 03:20:48 pm »
I cannot sit and watch the Nationals from the 7th inning on...

Nauseating.

I know how you feel.
We went through that with the Astros last year.
If they had held on to 1/2 of their late inning leads, they'd won the division outright, instead of missing the wildcard like they did.
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« Reply #268 on: May 19, 2017, 03:20:55 pm »
10-15 runs a game?  You don't need no steeenkin bullpen. :seeya:

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« Reply #269 on: May 19, 2017, 03:24:25 pm »
I know how you feel.
We went through that with the Astros last year.
If they had held on to 1/2 of their late inning leads, they'd won the division outright, instead of misting the wildcard like they did.

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Psst.  Pssst.  Let's talk to DCP, and see If we can get the Nats to take Fiers for long relief.    :silly:
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« Reply #270 on: May 19, 2017, 03:28:27 pm »
10-15 runs a game?  You don't need no steeenkin bullpen. :seeya:

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LOL!

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« Reply #271 on: May 19, 2017, 03:29:29 pm »
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Psst.  Pssst.  Let's talk to DCP, and see If we can get the Nats to take Fiers for long relief.    :silly:

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Catfish,

I think you may be on to something.

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« Reply #272 on: May 19, 2017, 03:30:37 pm »
I know how you feel.
We went through that with the Astros last year.
If they had held on to 1/2 of their late inning leads, they'd won the division outright, instead of misting the wildcard like they did.

I love the Astros.    Goes with always cheering the underdog.   Each season, they improve.  Watch out.

That freaking left field wall will be as famous as the one in Fenway.   
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« Reply #273 on: May 20, 2017, 03:18:03 pm »
The census seems to be that indeed...the ball is 'juiced'.

Two-fifty hackers are hitting them out.  To the opposite field. 

Okay.  But, didn't you want to "shorten" the game?

More importantly, who in the hell guards the baseballs used in the game?   

Today, the average 'life span' of a baseball in a major league game is 4.7 pitches   

http://www.foxsports.com/other/story/major-league-baseballs-have-a-short-shelf-life-062912

But how secure are the baseballs from where the ball boy gets them in that 'bin'?

How possible is it that NORMAL baseballs were pitched to one team and JUICED baseballs pitched to the hometeam?

(Heard some guy got his streak of selecting ballplayers will hit safely in that day's game to 51.....out of the goal of 57.        :laugh:)

I just want a level playing field, and it's bullsh*t to watch a guy weighing 180, hitting it out to the opposite field...at 110 mph.
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« Reply #274 on: May 20, 2017, 04:37:55 pm »
I just want a level playing field, and it's bullsh*t to watch a guy weighing 180, hitting it out to the opposite field...at 110 mph.
Funny you should mention that. Willie Mays's playing weight in his prime was 170 pounds. And he wasn't
strictly a pull hitter. ;)

Meanwhile, here's hoping the Astros lose only one start from Dallas Keuchel over that pinched nerve. Him they
can't afford to lose for longer than that.


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« Reply #275 on: May 20, 2017, 04:40:09 pm »
How possible is it that NORMAL baseballs were pitched to one team and JUICED baseballs pitched to the home team?
For a time in the mid-to-late 1960s, the White Sox kept baseballs to be used for their home games
in a kind of cooler.

The idea, of course, is that cool, damp baseballs don't travel as far as warm, dry baseballs, and the White Sox
were not exactly sluggers.
---Jim Bouton, in Ball Four.


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« Reply #276 on: May 20, 2017, 05:36:14 pm »
For a time in the mid-to-late 1960s, the White Sox kept baseballs to be used for their home games
in a kind of cooler.

The idea, of course, is that cool, damp baseballs don't travel as far as warm, dry baseballs, and the White Sox
were not exactly sluggers.
---Jim Bouton, in Ball Four.

Forgot about that.     :laugh:
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« Reply #277 on: May 20, 2017, 06:26:40 pm »
Forgot about that.     :laugh:
Consider us even, buddy! I forgot about the once-infamous Coors Field humidor!


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« Reply #278 on: May 20, 2017, 06:48:45 pm »
This just in . . . the Braves dealt for Matt Adams (Cardinals), sending the Cardinals
minor league infielder Juan Yepez.


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« Reply #279 on: May 21, 2017, 04:50:52 pm »
Couple of really nice catches by McCann against the rangers last night.

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« Reply #280 on: May 25, 2017, 11:19:45 pm »
Freakin no pitch intentional walk.

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« Reply #281 on: May 26, 2017, 08:25:35 am »
Freakin no pitch intentional walk.

A horrible rule.  Possibly the worst rule change since the DH rule.  Even worse than the Managers' Challenge.
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« Reply #282 on: May 26, 2017, 08:29:23 am »
A horrible rule.  Possibly the worst rule change since the DH rule.  Even worse than the Managers' Challenge.

Soon to be surpassed by the ghost man imaginary runner rule coming up in 2030.  /s
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« Reply #283 on: May 26, 2017, 08:42:16 am »
Soon to be surpassed by the ghost man imaginary runner rule coming up in 2030.  /s

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« Reply #284 on: May 26, 2017, 08:54:54 am »
A horrible rule.  Possibly the worst rule change since the DH rule.  Even worse than the Managers' Challenge.

I don't like the normal intentional walk anyway.

I'd fix the intentional walk by giving the batter 2 bases so the batter could trot past the mound and thank the pitcher personally as the runner at 2nd or 3rd scores.

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« Reply #285 on: May 26, 2017, 02:16:48 pm »
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The Orioles, power-hitting juggernauts under manager Buck Showalter, have been a bit too reliant on the home run of late. Baltimore (25-20) has ranked no lower than fourth in the AL in home runs under Showalter, averaging 216.8 between 2011-16 while pacing the league in long balls three times during that span.

During their skid, the Orioles have clubbed five home runs -- four coming with the bases empty. Baltimore, third in the majors this season batting .311 with runners in scoring position, is 4-for-20 in that situation over the past four games.

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« Reply #286 on: May 26, 2017, 02:18:57 pm »
This Just In.....Sam Dyson just gave up another run.

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« Reply #287 on: May 26, 2017, 04:04:04 pm »
Freakin no pitch intentional walk.

@EasyAce What do you think of this rule?


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« Reply #288 on: May 26, 2017, 05:04:36 pm »
@EasyAce What do you think of this rule?
@Machiavelli
I don't really object to it. I mean, why waste time throwing four wide lobs when you can just
declare an intentional walk.

As a time-saver, though, I'm not sure it's going to to half as much as would do some things
I've argued for in the past: cutting the damn commercials during pitching changes, having
relief pitchers coming into the middle of innings shenk the eight warmup pitches (for
God's sake, they probably threw two, three, even four innings' worth of pitches getting
ready to come in in the first place!) . . .

I watched the Vegas 51s play the Omaha Storm Chasers two weeks ago and noticed the
pitch clock working. Funny thing---I didn't notice any of the pitchers or the hitters objecting,
and the game was actually a nifty pitching duel with the 51s leading 1-0 off a second-inning
bomb, until the 51s bullpen fell apart in the eighth and the Chasers hung up a five spot.
(The final was 7-3.) I'd love to see the pitch clock in the Show, or at least put the umpires
in charge of enforcing a twenty-second rule between pitches.

I also saw a bona-fide submariner pitching for the 51s at one point. He's a tall righthander
named Ben Rowen. His delivery reminds you a bit of Chad Bradford; he bends almost to
a full right angle as he delivers, and it looks like his pitching hand goes through
the mound as he delivers. He also throws a sinkerball, if you can picture a submariner
throwing something like that---his ball lifts a bit and then drops. The Chasers couldn't
hit this guy with snow shovels. He pitched an inning and a third spotless relief and looked
like he could have gone another inning. Unfortunately, the 51s lifted him, and thus the
eighth inning bullpen meltdown.

This is a shot I squeezed off of Rowen in his follow-through:


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« Reply #289 on: May 26, 2017, 07:23:42 pm »
@Machiavelli

I don't really object to it. I mean, why waste time throwing four wide lobs when you can just
declare an intentional walk.

As a time-saver, though, I'm not sure it's going to to half as much as would do some things
I've argued for in the past: cutting the damn commercials during pitching changes, having
relief pitchers coming into the middle of innings shenk the eight warmup pitches (for
God's sake, they probably threw two, three, even four innings' worth of pitches getting
ready to come in in the first place!) . . .



I disagree, because every mound is different..  The home plate backgrounds are different.

The blond MILF flashing you in the corporate box seats are different.

You need to feel comfortable on the pitching rubber.
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« Reply #290 on: May 26, 2017, 08:11:37 pm »
I disagree, because every mound is different..  The home plate backgrounds are different.

The blond MILF flashing you in the corporate box seats are different.

You need to feel comfortable on the pitching rubber.

You have to remember not a lot of bullpens look right onto the field. And I think most ballparks
sculpt the bullpen rubber areas to be matches or near-matches to the field mound rubber,
even if the bullpen mound by necessity isn't as large an area. I once had seats looking into the
bullpens in Angel Stadium and noticed how near-exact the rubbers in both bullpens were to
the field mound.

Aside from which, it's very true that a relief pitcher just might have thrown up to four innings'
worth of pitches getting ready in the bullpen---assuming his manager has brains enough not
to sit him down, then an inning or two later warm him up again. If that happens, the
guy's thrown the equivalent of a quality start before he even got into the game. You might
as well give him the rest of the day or night off because if you bring him in he's maybe less
than half the pitcher he should be when you bring him in.

I learned about things like that reading Whitey Herzog's memoir Your Missin' a Great Game.
He really opened my eyes about relief pitching. He talked about managers who did as I just
described and basically ruined a lot of good bullpen arms that way. Two culprits in particular
that he singled out were Tommy Lasorda and Pete Rose: They'd warm a guy up, sit him down,
warm him up again, sit him down, then get him "ready" fast, bring him in, and wonder why
he had nothing left on the mound and just got himself killed out there.

(A real smart manager pays attention to the other manager's bullpen use. So do real
smart hitters. They see a guy up and throwing, back on the bench, up and throwing again,
back on the bench, they're praying that guy is brought in, because he'll have little
enough left that the hitter can start tabulating the lift in his on base percentage, his batting
average, maybe even the distance he's going to hit that home run off a guy who's gassed
when brought in at last.)

The White Rat wasn't just blowing smoke about it: he'd dealt some relievers to the Dodgers
and the Reds in those years and if they came back to him they'd tell him those guys were
messing their bullpens up that way. And Lasorda and Rose couldn't get it, they'd be asking,
"What's wrong, he ain't pitched in three days!" What did they think those relief pitchers
were doing each time they warmed up? Answering their fan mail?

Herzog had a policy: if he warmed you up but didn't bring you in then or in the next
inning, you had the rest of the game off. He got a lot more miles out of his bullpens than
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« Reply #291 on: May 26, 2017, 08:29:30 pm »
I don't really object to it. I mean, why waste time throwing four wide lobs when you can just
declare an intentional walk.

That surprises me.  You are an expert on the game, I'm just a fan for 15-20 years, but I disagree.

This new rule totally benefits the defense at the expense of the offense.  Opportunities for errors are not a waste of time, they're a part of the game.  That four lazy lobs could be wild pitches or passed balls, or even hit by pitch, and runners could advance.  To just deem it "done" without the exercise of actually throwing the ball short-circuits the game.

In what other play does the pitcher forfeit a base to a runner?  Doesn't feel right to me.
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« Reply #292 on: May 26, 2017, 08:34:46 pm »
That surprises me.  You are an expert on the game, I'm just a fan for 15-20 years, but I disagree.

This new rule totally benefits the defense at the expense of the offense.  Opportunities for errors are not a waste of time, they're a part of the game.  That four lazy lobs could be wild pitches or passed balls, or even hit by pitch, and runners could advance.  To just deem it "done" without the exercise of actually throwing the ball short-circuits the game.

In what other play does the pitcher forfeit a base to a runner?  Doesn't feel right to me.

They've got more good things coming your way soon.  Extra innings start with a runner on second and such as that.

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« Reply #293 on: May 26, 2017, 10:13:54 pm »
That surprises me.  You are an expert on the game, I'm just a fan for 15-20 years, but I disagree.

I only wish I was an expert and not a jerk of all trades. ;)

This new rule totally benefits the defense at the expense of the offense.  Opportunities for errors are not a waste of time, they're a part of the game.  That four lazy lobs could be wild pitches or passed balls, or even hit by pitch, and runners could advance.  To just deem it "done" without the exercise of actually throwing the ball short-circuits the game.

I haven't seen any pitchless intentional walk short circuit the game yet.

In what other play does the pitcher forfeit a base to a runner?  Doesn't feel right to me.
You ever heard of a balk? ;)


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« Reply #294 on: May 26, 2017, 10:30:48 pm »
They've got more good things coming your way soon.  Extra innings start with a runner on second and such as that.
It isn't going to happen. Nobody's going to be that absurd.

Insist on fixing what ain't broke!
They're using pitch clocks in the minors and the game hasn't suffered for it.

If they get rid of the damn commercials during pitching changes, the game won't suffer for it.




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« Reply #295 on: May 26, 2017, 10:34:01 pm »
Something else that could help the game---stop looking exclusively at pitchers who can throw lamb chops
past wolves and start looking for the pitchers who pitch with their brains no matter how fast their fastballs
are. Show me the pitcher with a mixture of off-speed and breaking stuff and brains in hand with a decent
fastball, and I'll show you a few Hall of Famers. (Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Warren Spahn, Juan Marichal
---and he sure didn't hurt himself with those fourteen or so different windups he had, either---to name a
few.) Give me the brain pitcher and a) he'll win me a lot of ballgames and b) have a pretty long career
for me.
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« Reply #296 on: May 26, 2017, 11:03:13 pm »
I haven't seen any pitchless intentional walk short circuit the game yet.
You ever heard of a balk? ;)

No, you're not going to see it short-circuit a game, because you'll never know it would have happened.  Can't make an error on a ball not thrown.  The thing about the balk is good.  You'd need an ump who would actually call one, haven't seen one lately. :shrug:
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« Reply #297 on: May 26, 2017, 11:05:57 pm »
@EasyAce What do you think of this rule?

The only real benefit is that it shows which batters they're afraid of.

Craziest thing I ever saw, A pitcher intentionally walking Miguel Cabrera with bases loaded and walking a run in so he could pitch to Cecil Fielder which ended up being a big mistake.

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« Reply #298 on: May 26, 2017, 11:20:02 pm »
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« Reply #299 on: May 26, 2017, 11:27:49 pm »
The only real benefit is that it shows which batters they're afraid of.
Depends on the hitter. You don't have to put the big bopper on intentionally, sometimes you put the
number 7 or 8 hitter on to set up a double play.

Craziest thing I ever saw, A pitcher intentionally walking Miguel Cabrera with bases loaded and walking a run in so he could pitch to Cecil Fielder which ended up being a big mistake.
If he walked Cabrera to pitch to Cecil Fielder it'd have been a huge mistake. :silly:

Crazier: Mets manager Terry Collins putting Mike Trout on to load the bases and (we think) avoid big disaster.
And the next guy up hits a grand slam.

It happens.

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