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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #401 on: June 18, 2017, 02:32:44 pm »
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« Reply #402 on: June 18, 2017, 02:56:11 pm »
Here's the real one!



I heartily approve!
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« Reply #403 on: June 18, 2017, 03:37:56 pm »
Here's the real one!



I heartily approve!
It should have shown him sliding into a betting window. ;)


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« Reply #404 on: June 20, 2017, 04:28:41 pm »
Five outs in two at-bats in the same game

Clarence Mitchell is famous for two things:

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On October 10, 1920, in Game 5 of the 1920 World Series, Mitchell made history when, with men on first and second and no outs, he hit a rising liner that Cleveland Indians second baseman Bill Wambsganss caught. Wambsganss was able to double up the lead runner, Pete Kilduff, who was still running toward third, then tagged out Otto Miller, who had come down from first base. Mitchell is the only player in Major League history to hit into an unassisted triple play in a World Series. In his next at bat, Mitchell hit into a double play, making him responsible for five outs in two consecutive trips to the plate, another World Series record.
Ironically, he was a good hitting pitcher.

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« Reply #405 on: June 21, 2017, 03:16:18 pm »
Dusty Baker needs to retire.   Now, would be soon enough.

Max Scherzer pitched a no-hitter for 8-1/3 innings, when he instinctively reached up to snap a come-backer, balling ticking up off the webbing of his glove.  Shortstop throws an adequate major league short-hop that Zimmerman can handle sitting down.

But wait!  Zimmerman was riding the bench.   A genuine defensive star sitting on the bench with a 1-0 lead with six outs to go??

But wait!   There's more!!

Michael A Taylor, who runs like a deer, was sitting on his a$$ too!  He may have gotten to that short-hop basehit to left field that scored the tying run.

Night game...Day game.   Travel.   I get it.

But no excuse to help Scherzer get his no-hitter by having defensive STARTERS sitting on their ass.
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« Reply #406 on: June 21, 2017, 04:08:38 pm »
http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/80593/max-scherzer-is-mlbs-ultimate-must-see-ace

Max Scherzer is MLB's ultimate must-see ace

David Schoenfield

No, Max Scherzer didn’t become the sixth pitcher with three career no-hitters. He didn’t even win the game thanks to a rotten-luck eighth inning. But I’ll say this: With apologies to Clayton Kershaw and Chris Sale, Scherzer is the ultimate must-watch starting pitcher right now.

I was in the office Wednesday afternoon, and we were all riveted as to our television screens as Scherzer dominated the Miami Marlins for the first seven innings. The no-hitter seemed like a sure thing. It was the 11th time the right-hander had taken a no-hit bid into the sixth inning in his three seasons with the Washington Nationals, five more than any other pitcher has in that span (Corey Kluber has six). More than that, it was the electric quality of the stuff that was so impressive.

His slider was devastating -- Nationals announcer F.P. Santangelo called it the best he’s seen from Scherzer -- and by the middle innings, Scherzer went almost exclusively to fastballs and sliders. What made the slider so impossible for the Marlins to hit was that Scherzer would start it at a right-handed hitter and have it break over the plate for a strike, or start it over the plate and see Marlins hitters flail as it broke six inches off the plate.

more at link
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« Reply #407 on: June 21, 2017, 04:10:39 pm »
Dusty Baker needs to retire.   

Crusty is a blight on the game.  Prior and Wood may have been HOF bound if it wasn't for this idiot's (mis)management of pitching staff.
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« Reply #408 on: June 21, 2017, 06:50:29 pm »
Crusty is a blight on the game.  Prior and Wood may have been HOF bound if it wasn't for this idiot's (mis)management of pitching staff.

Scherzer threw 120+ pitches, I believe.

He had a no-hitter going and was DOMINATING into the 8th inning. 

YOU go out there and tell him he's coming out!   

Guys like Scherzer...and Sale?   No way, Jose!
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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #409 on: June 21, 2017, 07:00:40 pm »
Scherzer threw 120+ pitches, I believe.

He had a no-hitter going and was DOMINATING into the 8th inning. 

YOU go out there and tell him he's coming out!   

Guys like Scherzer...and Sale?   No way, Jose!

I missed this.  Scherzer had a no-hitter going in the 8th, and he was pulled??  Do I understand this?  He was a Diamondback, and I was peeved when we let him go, but he's been great for the Nats.
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« Reply #410 on: June 21, 2017, 07:03:38 pm »
It should have shown him sliding into a betting window. ;)

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« Reply #411 on: June 21, 2017, 07:14:55 pm »
  • He's an a$$hole.
  • He does belong in the HOF.
  • He's still an a$$hole.
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1. Right
2. Wrong (The Hall of Fame says those banned from baseball aren't eligible to stand for election to the HOF---a lot
of people don't realise the Hall of Fame isn't governed by MLB and can make their own rules about eligibility---and
they were a) within their rights, and b) right as rain, to say and do so.)
3. Right

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #412 on: June 21, 2017, 07:16:01 pm »
Scherzer threw 120+ pitches, I believe.

He had a no-hitter going and was DOMINATING into the 8th inning. 

YOU go out there and tell him he's coming out!   

Guys like Scherzer...and Sale?   No way, Jose!
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Sometimes circumstances dictate being able to leave a pitcher in, who might have extra stuff that day.  My point is that on a macro scale Crusty has had a history of overusing and ruining pitchers.  F him.
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« Reply #413 on: June 21, 2017, 07:33:17 pm »
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He's also one of the best to ever play the game!  And you are right! He DOES belong in the HOF!
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« Reply #414 on: June 21, 2017, 07:52:50 pm »
He's also one of the best to ever play the game!  And you are right! He DOES belong in the HOF!

It's the betting thing.  Reminds people of the Black Sox. That's a big deal.
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« Reply #415 on: June 21, 2017, 08:07:09 pm »
He's also one of the best to ever play the game!  And you are right! He DOES belong in the HOF!

All for him getting in on a posthomous basis.   
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« Reply #416 on: June 21, 2017, 08:08:12 pm »
It's the betting thing.  Reminds people of the Black Sox. That's a big deal.

Yep, if Rose gets in, they need to also let in Shoeless Joe.
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« Reply #417 on: June 21, 2017, 08:23:01 pm »
It's the betting thing.  Reminds people of the Black Sox. That's a big deal.

Yeah!  I know!  Pete never was the smartest guy around!  Just out hustled most of them!

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« Reply #418 on: June 21, 2017, 08:32:20 pm »
Yeah!  I know!  Pete never was the smartest guy around!  Just out hustled most of them!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtkU3apSMHw

Of course Fosse shares in some of the blame here.

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« Reply #419 on: June 21, 2017, 08:37:26 pm »
It's the betting thing.  Reminds people of the Black Sox. That's a big deal.

Actually, it's Rule 21(d):

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(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES.  Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.

   Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible
.

I wrote at length about the issue when Michael Bertolini's notebook surfaced:

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Closing the (note)book on Rose at last?
http://throneberryfields.com/2015/06/23/closing-the-notebook-on-rose-at-last/
23 June 2015

Really, now, only one thing should shock about the now-firm evidence that Pete Rose bet on baseball while he
still played baseball: that anyone should be shocked, when all is said and done. The telltale signs have been
there. And, numerous observers are saying (and have said in the past), Rose changes his story almost as often
as he once changed his sanitary socks.

One year after Fay Vincent was purged as baseball’s commissioner, Vincent told at least one reporter, “He bet
[on baseball] as a player with the Phillies.” Rose’s own mother once told a Cincinnati newspaper reporter her
son lost bets on the Padres to win the 1984 World Series. And now comes evidence from documents formerly
unseen outside official investigative channels.

If what ESPN’s Outside the Lines transmitted Monday is certain, the last known defense available to Rose in
his quest to return from baseball’s Phantom Zone to the Hall of Fame has crumpled. Big. “This is the final piece
of the puzzle,” says John Dowd, the one-time federal prosecutor deputised to investigate Rose originally for
baseball government. “This is it, this does it. This closes the door.” Over a quarter century since Rose first insisted
he never bet on the game as a player, there comes a smoking gun.

The smoker is a notebook that once belonged to Michael Bertolini, once a Rose marketing partner, through
whom Rose bet with mob-tied bookmakers, apparently. The notebook is damning. Very damning. It shows Rose
betting extensively on baseball in his final playing season, 1986. (The player-manager played in 72 games,
collected 52 hits, and hit .219 before ending the playing part of his career 17 August 1986.)

The notebook sat under court-ordered seal for 26 years before going to the National Archives’ New York division,
seized as part of a mail fraud investigation during a kind of raid at Berolini’s home two months after then-commissioner
A. Bartlett Giamatti banished Rose
. ESPN says its authenticity is verified by two officers involved in the 1989 raid.
Attorneys for Rose and Bertolini say their clients won’t talk; in Rose’s case, his statement through his attorney says
he won’t talk until after he meets with commissioner Rob Manfred about his reinstatement application.

Among other things, the notebook’s pages say that in late April 1986 Rose—still the Reds’ player-manager, not yet
close to his final playing game—dropped bets down on several games including at least one or two involving his
Reds. He bet several other baseball games, too. Either he or Bertolini made notes of the games’ starting pitchers in
hand with each bet:

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* Rose bet $2,000 on the Mets on a game started by Dwight Gooden, the defending National
League Cy Young Award winner: “2=D 2000 vs. Pete," the entry reads.

* He bet $500 on the Blue Jays with Doyle Alexander—eventually a Brave sent to the Tigers in the deal
that made a Brave out of freshly-elected Hall of Famer John Smoltz—taking the ball, and won that bet.

* He bet $1,000 on the Red Sox with forthcoming World Series standout Bruce Hurst—who’d beat the
Mets twice in the Series before running out of fuel in Game Seven—on the mound, and won.

* He bet $1,000 on the Royals with Charlie Liebrandt, knuckleball specialist, on the bump, and won.

* He bet $1,000 on the Orioles with Storm Davis (their starter and winner in Game Four of the 1983
World Series) starting, and lost.

* He bet $500 on the Indians with another knuckleball specialist, Tom Candiotti, starting (Candiotti
eventually portrayed Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm in Billy Crystal’s film about the 1961 home run chase,
61*), but the entry seems a little muddy and it’s hard to tell whether he won or lost the bet.

* He bet $500 on Jose Rijo and the Athletics, and lost.

* He bet $500 on Mike Scott—emerging that season from nobody special to never better—and the
Astros, and won.

* He bet $1,000 on Rick Horton and the Cardinals, and lost.

* He bet on Candiotti and the Indians in another game, and won $1,000.

* On twenty-one of the days the notebook makes absolutely clear he was betting on baseball, Rose
dropped bets on the Reds, one way or the other, including possibly for several games in which Rose
did play.

* Most if not all of the time, Rose was likely to drop as much as $2,000 per bet, on average, with the
highest recorded bet during the timeframe being a Boston Celtics basketball game. Charlie Hustler
lost that bet. He bet big on basketball, college and pro, that March, and once lost $15,400 in a single
March day, during a week in which he lost $25,500 total.

Two postal inspection service agents weren’t figuring on anything other than a failure to render services complaint
when the service got a complaint from a dissatisfied customer of Bertolin’s Hit King Marketing, Inc. operation. The
agents called the realtor tasked with selling the home posing as a couple looking to buy and got a guided tour of
the house.

When they saw an item another complainer said hadn’t been returned (Bertolini apparently might have been forging
baseball autographs, including, ESPN says, those of Rose and Hall of Famers Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mike Schmidt,
and Duke Snider) the agents sought and got a search warrant. That search produced the notebook that may now
close the book on Rose permanently.

The notebook’s existence wasn’t exactly a secret, ESPN notes, with themselves and several news organisations seeking
access under the Freedom of Information Act following Bertolini’s guilty plea for tax fraud. Because it was introduced
as a grand jury exhibit, ESPN continues, those requests were denied. Only after the notebook transferred to the National
Archives at a U.S. Attorney’s Office request, were the contents able to be copied.

“There has never been a doubt about the serious danger that Rose brought to baseball though his chronic gambling,”
writes Kostya Kennedy, author of Pete Rose: An American Dilemna, for Sports Illustrated. "But there had always been
three factors held up as mitigating Rose’s sin: 1) There was no hard proof that he bet while a player; 2) He never bet
on his own team to lose; and 3) Betting on his team did not influence his managerial decisions.”

Obviously, factor number one is now “passe,” to use Kennedy’s polite-way-to-phrase-it word. Factor number two should
be blown away by the language of Rule 21(d) which does not distinguish between betting to win and betting to lose.
As for factor three, someone might remind Manfred (and anyone else) that strictly as a manager Rose is now known to
have withheld betting on his Reds on certain days, with certain pitchers starting, which Sports Illustrated‘s Jay Jaffe
previously reminded us actually sends signals to other bettors to bet against the team.

Kennedy recalls, correctly, that in the original 1989 investigation Rose and his legal team mounted a “horrifically botched
defense [that] revolved around questioning minute details and picayune facts of baseball’s investigation, trying to wriggle
free of guilt on technicalities rather than meet the allegations head on.”

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With even a modicum of sincere admission, Rose might have escaped with far
less than permanent ineligibility. So although Rose has continued to deny he bet as a player
—as recently as last year—his best move now is to come completely clean when he meets
the commissioner.

He’s come “clean” how many times? Sooner or later, even the sturdiest garment can come clean only so often before it’s
washed up. There’s been much talk in recent years about a mercy factor, about showing Rose mercy after all these years.
But every time the mercy factor arises, it seems that something else comes forth to throw it a knockdown pitch.

A month ago Rose told a radio station he “never once” bet on baseball while he still played the game. The Bertolini notebook
blows that one away, too. Strike three called, curve ball on the inside corner. When at last will Rose, his shrinking circle of
defenders, and even baseball’s commissioner, agree that enough’s enough, that it’s time to quit defending what can’t be
defended?
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« Reply #420 on: June 21, 2017, 08:42:40 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtkU3apSMHw

Of course Fosse shares in some of the blame here.

Yep! And as an aside, a play just like that ended my baseball career and it was my fault!
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« Reply #421 on: June 21, 2017, 08:48:22 pm »
Actually, it's Rule 21(d):

I wrote at length about the issue when Michael Bertolini's notebook surfaced:

Two postal inspection service agents weren’t figuring on anything other than a failure to render services complaint
when the service got a complaint from a dissatisfied customer of Bertolin’s Hit King Marketing, Inc. operation. The
agents called the realtor tasked with selling the home posing as a couple looking to buy and got a guided tour of
the house.

When they saw an item another complainer said hadn’t been returned (Bertolini apparently might have been forging
baseball autographs, including, ESPN says, those of Rose and Hall of Famers Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mike Schmidt,
and Duke Snider) the agents sought and got a search warrant. That search produced the notebook that may now
close the book on Rose permanently.

The notebook’s existence wasn’t exactly a secret, ESPN notes, with themselves and several news organisations seeking
access under the Freedom of Information Act following Bertolini’s guilty plea for tax fraud. Because it was introduced
as a grand jury exhibit, ESPN continues, those requests were denied. Only after the notebook transferred to the National
Archives at a U.S. Attorney’s Office request, were the contents able to be copied.

“There has never been a doubt about the serious danger that Rose brought to baseball though his chronic gambling,”
writes Kostya Kennedy, author of Pete Rose: An American Dilemna, for Sports Illustrated. "But there had always been
three factors held up as mitigating Rose’s sin: 1) There was no hard proof that he bet while a player; 2) He never bet
on his own team to lose; and 3) Betting on his team did not influence his managerial decisions.”

Obviously, factor number one is now “passe,” to use Kennedy’s polite-way-to-phrase-it word. Factor number two should
be blown away by the language of Rule 21(d) which does not distinguish between betting to win and betting to lose.
As for factor three, someone might remind Manfred (and anyone else) that strictly as a manager Rose is now known to
have withheld betting on his Reds on certain days, with certain pitchers starting, which Sports Illustrated‘s Jay Jaffe
previously reminded us actually sends signals to other bettors to bet against the team.

Kennedy recalls, correctly, that in the original 1989 investigation Rose and his legal team mounted a “horrifically botched
defense [that] revolved around questioning minute details and picayune facts of baseball’s investigation, trying to wriggle
free of guilt on technicalities rather than meet the allegations head on.”

He’s come “clean” how many times? Sooner or later, even the sturdiest garment can come clean only so often before it’s
washed up. There’s been much talk in recent years about a mercy factor, about showing Rose mercy after all these years.
But every time the mercy factor arises, it seems that something else comes forth to throw it a knockdown pitch.

A month ago Rose told a radio station he “never once” bet on baseball while he still played the game. The Bertolini notebook
blows that one away, too. Strike three called, curve ball on the inside corner. When at last will Rose, his shrinking circle of
defenders, and even baseball’s commissioner, agree that enough’s enough, that it’s time to quit defending what can’t be
defended?

Yeah! You're right!  And it's sad that it only happens in baseball!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #422 on: June 21, 2017, 09:06:50 pm »
Yeah! You're right!  And it's sad that it only happens in baseball!
In case there are those who took that literally, no it doesn't:

* Thirty-five active and former college basketball players were accused of fixing games when
a point-shaving scandal that began at CCNY rocked the NCAA in 1951.

* Detroit Lions tackle Alex Karras and Green Bay Packers halfback Paul Hornung were banished
for one year after revelations they'd bet on NFL games. They were forced to sit out 1963.

* Connie Hawkins was kicked out of the University of Iowa after he testified in a 1961 point-shaving
scandal---and Hawkins actually hadn't played a single minute before he testified.

* In 1978-79, four Boston College players were exposed as having been part of a point-shaving
scheme masterminded by Lucchese Family figure Henry Hill. The players were banned for life;
two served jail terms, I think.

* Art Schlichter, once a star Ohio State quarterback, was banished from the NFL over his gambling
addictions, which eventually got him sent to prison several times for fraud, forgery, and other
crimes tied to his gambling.

* In 1996, thirteen Boston College football players were suspended for a year and six banned for
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« Reply #424 on: June 22, 2017, 02:59:53 pm »
Who'd a thunk the Brewers would have been in first place in the NL Central closing in on the All-Star break?
The Republic is lost.

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« Reply #426 on: June 27, 2017, 03:16:02 pm »
Tebow promoted to high Class A St. Lucie by Mets
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/tebow-promoted-to-high-class-a-st-lucie-by-mets/ar-BBDbegw?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Any other player hitting .222 wouldn't have had a chance at even that kind of promotion, with
or without Tim Tebow's work ethic, and he has an excellent such ethic. Tebow's a little different,
though---he's a guy who hadn't played any kind of baseball in over a decade, so him hitting .222
in the low minors is better than you'd expect. Does it mean he has a real pro baseball future? The jury's
still out.

Some of the move had economic motives: with Tebow, the smallest crowd at any of his games in
the South Atlantic League was about 2,645 people, and the Florida State League in which St. Lucie
plays is averaging 1,404 per game, so he'll have an economic impact going in that magnifies
when you throw in that---unlike with the Columbia Fireflies---the Mets own their St. Lucie affiliate
and they get a more direct bump than the Fireflies did.

A guy with a .651 OPS in the low-A SAL isn't exactly a long-term prospect no matter how hard
he works at the game, and Tebow is one of the hardest workers in the business. Then why make the
move, especially with tantalising hints that Tebow might even get a September call-up to the Mets
no matter how he does at St. Lucie---in a league level where the game is considerably more tough
than in the SAL?

Easy enough, and slightly disgraceful if you think deeply about it: Tebow is the Mets' Michael
Jordan---and the White Sox when Jordan tried and failed playing pro baseball in their organisation
didn't have even half the problems this year's Mets have---a feel-good story some in the Mets'
administration might hope, cynically enough, would distract from the major issues dogging
the Mets:

* Matt Harvey's apparent off-field breakdown and the troublesome antics it provoked.

* The mishandling of Noah Syndergaard's MRI folderol, which turned into a near three-month
trip to the disabled list when he got murdered by the Nationals and left that game with the lat
tear the MRI he tried to shenk might have turned up before he was sent out to take
that beating pitching at less than full strength.

* A team that was supposed to go to this year's postseason coming apart little by little
under injuries, aging, and attitude issues.

* Asdrubal Cabrera publicly denouncing the move to second base the day he came off the
DL and almost no one in the Mets' administration taking him to real task for it. (Once upon a
time, when Ted Simmons rejected a move to third base, his then-manager Whitey Herzog
---who suffered neither fools nor non-team players gladly---wasted no time moving him
out of town and elsewhere no matter how long Simmons had been in the Show, and
Simmons was about a twelve-year veteran at the time. Talk now is that the Mets are looking
to move a few veterans including Cabrera, but not pouncing when he pronounced himself
shall we say displeased over moving to second base weakens them administratively.)

* A bullpen not quite as notorious as those of the Nationals and the Giants but with
troubles enough beginning with how overworked they were in the first two months
of the season.

* Stubbornly refusing to call up Show-ready shortstop prospect Amed Rosario from
AAA Las Vegas and relying on their aging infield corps that produces less and less
overall.
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« Reply #427 on: June 27, 2017, 07:15:02 pm »
RIP Anthony Young . . .

Anthony Young dies at 51; lost record 27 straight games

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Former pitcher Anthony Young, who still holds the major league record with 27 consecutive losses, died in Houston on Tuesday, the New York Mets announced.

He was 51 years old. His death comes on the anniversary of his 24th consecutive loss, which broke the record, on June 27, 1993 against the St. Louis Cardinals.

Former Mets pitcher Turk Wendell said in a statement that Young said earlier this year at the Mets' fantasy camp that he had been diagnosed with a brain tumor.

"Anthony was a true gentleman," Wendell said. "At this year's fantasy camp, he told us he had a brain tumor. That was Anthony. He never ran away from anything."


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« Reply #428 on: June 27, 2017, 08:03:30 pm »
Question for you

Rizzo scoring from 1st base on the triple...he was hit-by-pitch, leading off the inning.

Was it an earned or unearned run to Scherzer?   I'm thinking it could be ruled an E-1...but the run scored before 2 outs were made.
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« Reply #429 on: June 27, 2017, 11:01:04 pm »
Question for you

Rizzo scoring from 1st base on the triple...he was hit-by-pitch, leading off the inning.

Was it an earned or unearned run to Scherzer?   I'm thinking it could be ruled an E-1...but the run scored before 2 outs were made.
Actually, there were two out before Kris Bryant tripled Anthony Rizzo home: Tommy LaStella struck out looking
and Ian Happ flied out to center before Bryant batted. Hit batsmen aren't generally ruled errors on the pitcher.
And the run was ruled earned, Scherzer's only earned run surrendered on the day.


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« Reply #430 on: June 28, 2017, 05:15:37 pm »
Punkass catcher Miguel Montero out of a job. An NFL quarterback doesn't impugn his linemen for sacks. A NASCAR driver doesn't fault his crew for crashes. And a major-league catcher doesn't blame his pitcher for stolen bases — especially one who has failed to throw out a base-stealer this season. 
Maybe Dick Durbin who got Montero is US citizenship can find him a new job!.
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« Reply #431 on: June 28, 2017, 05:34:10 pm »
Actually, there were two out before Kris Bryant tripled Anthony Rizzo home: Tommy LaStella struck out looking
and Ian Happ flied out to center before Bryant batted. Hit batsmen aren't generally ruled errors on the pitcher.
And the run was ruled earned, Scherzer's only earned run surrendered on the day.

Thanks, @EasyAce !!   :laugh:

I bet my son that Harper was going to get plunked before the series is finished....not so much now.   

It's Strasburg tonight!   LOVE this series.   

Arrieta looked very human last night.   Although I though the HP ump was squeezing him a bit.
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« Reply #432 on: June 28, 2017, 05:36:58 pm »
Punkass catcher Miguel Montero out of a job. An NFL quarterback doesn't impugn his linemen for sacks. A NASCAR driver doesn't fault his crew for crashes. And a major-league catcher doesn't blame his pitcher for stolen bases — especially one who has failed to throw out a base-stealer this season. 
Maybe Dick Durbin who got Montero is US citizenship can find him a new job!.
 :beer:

The crazy world we live in, if I was Trey Turner, I'd hire a 24/7 guard for protection until this guy reports to his team.

I actually felt sorry for the catcher, because both Turner and Taylor ran at will...and it wasn't even close.

Still...bad-mouthing the Ace publicly?      22222frying pan
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« Reply #433 on: June 28, 2017, 07:55:24 pm »
Still...bad-mouthing the Ace publicly?      22222frying pan
@DCPatriot
I just wrote about the brouhaha:

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Badly timed not-so-grand slam punches Montero’s ticket out
http://throneberryfields.com/2017/06/28/badly-timed-not-so-grand-slam-punches-monteros-ticket-out/

Once upon a time, Cliff Robertson, playing cartoonish Western villain Shame on the cartoonish television series Batman,
barked at one of his henchmen, “A big mouth works best when it’s kept shut!” Miguel Montero, backup catcher whom
the Cubs now wish to make a former Cub, is learning the hard way.

Baseball’s worst kept secrets include Jake Arrieta being not exactly the quickest pitcher to the plate, with or without men on
base, and the Cubs not necessarily put an excess of emphasis on pitchers holding runners ahead of emphasising other
pitching necessities.

The Nationals took complete advantage of Arrieta’s side of the coin Tuesday, performing their own version of a bull run at his
and the Cubs’ expense, en route a team record for thefts in one game (seven, in the first four innings) and, while they were
at it, a 6-1 win on a day Max Scherzer didn’t exactly have his A++ game.

Then Montero, who started the game behind the plate, unburdened himself after the game:

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When you really look at it, the pitcher doesn’t give me any time. It’s just like:
‘Yeah, OK, Miggy can’t throw nobody out.’ Yeah, but my pitchers don’t hold
anybody on. It’s tough, because it doesn’t matter how much work I put in. If
I don’t get a chance to throw, that’s the reason why they were running left and
right today, because they know he was slow to the plate. Simple as that. It’s a
shame that it’s my fault because I didn’t throw anybody out.

The Cubs rewarded Montero’s schpritz with a designation for assignment. They replaced him by calling up 23-year-old
Victor (Beta) Caratini from Triple-A Iowa.

Montero might have had more credibility in his postgame complaints if a) he’d aired them out in the Cub clubhouse before
zinging Arrieta to the press; and, b) if he hadn’t been 1-for-32 in throwing out would-be stealers while Willson Contreras,
the Cubs’ number one catcher, who has the same pitching staff to handle, is 16-for-47 (34 percent, six points above the
National League average), and also happens to be Jon Lester’s personal catcher.

We’re not trying to say Contreras is the perfect cop, but a grand theft arrest record differential like that should be enough
to compel the number two man to think twice before shooting from the lip. Did I mention Montero is tied for the slowest
“pop” time (2.12 seconds, .02 below the league average)—the time between a catcher receiving a pitch and an infielder
receiving his throw from the plate—in the Show?

Unfortunately, Montero didn’t think even once, about his commentary or about the timing thereof. It’s not the first time
he’s had trouble with the latter.

On the same day the Cubs led Chicago in a Woodstock-sized World Series triumph celebration to Grant Park last November,
Montero went aboard ESPN’s The Waddle and Silvy Show to complain about his postseason playing time. “It was a different
emotion,” he said about his own celebration, “because I didn’t get a chance to play. I was a little disappointed, to be
honest, because I felt like I did a good job in the regular season but was left out a little bit. It made me feel a little like
not important or maybe not as good to be in this lineup.”

That came from the man who had two of the most important plate appearances in Cub history last postseason and cashed
them in with profit to spare.

It was Montero who destroyed Dodger manager Dave Roberts’ gutsy move to have reliever Joe Blanton load the pads in
Game One of the 2016 National League Championship Series, sending a hanging two-strike slider into the right field
bleachers for only the third-ever postseason pinch-hit grand slam. And it was Montero whose tenth-inning RBI single—
hitting again with ducks on the pond—ended up the insurance run in Game Seven of the World Series.

Not to mention that Montero, a mid-game insertion for now-retired David Ross, was the man who steadied Aroldis Chapman,
after Chapman surrendered Rajai Davis’s eighth-inning Game Seven bomb that got close enough to ruining the Cubs’
season. Montero simply called for more breaking pitches in the ninth when Chapman was clearly out of gas, and Chapman
pitched it without a scratch.

With his celebration day commentary—however valid his complaint might have been in one regard (several commentators
concurred that manager Joe Maddon sometimes has communication problems)—Montero damn near wiped that work out
of the memory banks. Throwing Arrieta overboard Tuesday pushed the eraser down more firmly.

Anthony Rizzo, who hasn’t been having the kind of season people expected but who turned into a sniper when inserted
into the leadoff slot this month, didn’t take Montero’s attempted burial of Arrieta lightly. On the theory that one bad turn
deserves another, Rizzo went aboard another ESPN radio show, hosted in Chicago by David Kaplan, and let Montero
have it.

“I had no idea about [Montero's Arrieta remarks] until I got back to the hotel and saw all this stuff,” Rizzo fumed. “I got
a couple text messages from a couple of my friends just kinda asking, ‘What the hell is this guy doing?’

“Listen, we win as a team, we lose as a team. If you start pointing fingers, I think that just labels you as a selfish player.
I disagree. We have another catcher that throws out everyone who steals and he has Jon Lester who doesn’t pick over.
It’s no secret. I think going to the media with things like that, I don’t think it’s very professional.”

No, I didn’t miss the irony in Rizzo calling out a teammate publicly for calling out another teammate publicly, but Rizzo
remains acknowledged and secured as one of the Cubs’ clubhouse leaders while Montero had already eroded most of
his clubhouse cred last November. The Cubs have a lot more pressing issues to resolve if they’d like to have a postseason
encore in October.

Cubs president Theo Epstein minced no words after Montero was designated for assignment, either. “When something
goes wrong on the field we expect our players to take the blame, step up and proactively assume the blame for it, even
if it’s not their fault,” Epstein said.

“That’s the way to be a good teammate. He completely agreed when it was pointed out to him and he apologized. After
thinking about it some more, I just came to the conclusion that now more than ever we need to be a team. This was an
example of being a bad teammate publicly and that we’d be better off moving on and not standing for it.”

Montero was a two-time All-Star with a reputation for mentoring younger players in Arizona. The Cubs thought they were
getting that, and for a time they got the mentor (including for Contreras himself); back issues and other maladies wore
Montero down to top backup status.

And he wasn’t inclined to just sit back and accept it as the aging Ross became a team and media celebrity being exactly
what Montero should have been—a man at peace with himself, accepting of his lot, making the most of what he had,
continuing to teach and mentor younger players with far more baseball life ahead than that left to him.

Even sadder was that Montero showed genuine class as he departed, tweeting, “To the city of Chicago—Dear fans, today
I say goodbye to the greatest fans. I want to thank you for the support. It was an awesome ride. Winning the World
Series was simply fantastic. Thank you to my teammates—good luck to everyone of you. Thank you also to each staff
member, it was an honor to play for the Chicago Cubs organization. Chicago will always be in my heart.”

The question becomes whether Montero’s most poorly timed public complaints will take him out of Chicago’s. Even with
the single most important grand slam and eventual insurance run in team history on his resume.
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« Reply #434 on: June 29, 2017, 07:31:56 am »
@DCPatriot
I just wrote about the brouhaha:

As always, excellent article, @EasyAce
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« Reply #435 on: June 29, 2017, 11:27:13 am »
As always, excellent article, @EasyAce
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« Reply #436 on: June 29, 2017, 12:48:32 pm »
@DCPatriot
I just wrote about the brouhaha:


Thanks for the insight!  Mrs Liberty and I were trying to figure out what happened when we heard about it last night.  Miggy was one of our favorite Dbacks, and we were frustrated when they traded him off to the Cubs.  Our pitching immediately suffered for it and we slumped the rest of the season.  It came as no surprise, though, it was his mouth that did him in, after last year. 

Maybe now we can get him back, if we can still afford him.  Since then, we got a couple of pretty good catchers. 
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« Reply #437 on: June 29, 2017, 12:53:23 pm »

Maybe now we can get him back, if we can still afford him.  Since then, we got a couple of pretty good catchers.

He's not in the best of bargaining positions.  You might be able to get him at a discount.   Like a K-mart catcher.

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« Reply #438 on: June 29, 2017, 01:35:10 pm »
He's not in the best of bargaining positions.  You might be able to get him at a discount.   Like a K-mart catcher.

He'd better be hitting as well as he used to if he hopes to replace Mathis, Ianetta or Hermann.  Mathis is under the Mendoza Line, but all three seem to get timely hits.
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« Reply #439 on: June 29, 2017, 04:24:12 pm »
@DCPatriot
I just wrote about the brouhaha:

The Cubs rewarded Montero’s schpritz with a designation for assignment. They replaced him by calling up 23-year-old
Victor (Beta) Caratini from Triple-A Iowa.

Montero might have had more credibility in his postgame complaints if a) he’d aired them out in the Cub clubhouse before
zinging Arrieta to the press; and, b) if he hadn’t been 1-for-32 in throwing out would-be stealers while Willson Contreras,
the Cubs’ number one catcher, who has the same pitching staff to handle, is 16-for-47 (34 percent, six points above the
National League average), and also happens to be Jon Lester’s personal catcher.

We’re not trying to say Contreras is the perfect cop, but a grand theft arrest record differential like that should be enough
to compel the number two man to think twice before shooting from the lip. Did I mention Montero is tied for the slowest
“pop” time (2.12 seconds, .02 below the league average)—the time between a catcher receiving a pitch and an infielder
receiving his throw from the plate—in the Show?

Unfortunately, Montero didn’t think even once, about his commentary or about the timing thereof. It’s not the first time
he’s had trouble with the latter.

On the same day the Cubs led Chicago in a Woodstock-sized World Series triumph celebration to Grant Park last November,
Montero went aboard ESPN’s The Waddle and Silvy Show to complain about his postseason playing time. “It was a different
emotion,” he said about his own celebration, “because I didn’t get a chance to play. I was a little disappointed, to be
honest, because I felt like I did a good job in the regular season but was left out a little bit. It made me feel a little like
not important or maybe not as good to be in this lineup.”

That came from the man who had two of the most important plate appearances in Cub history last postseason and cashed
them in with profit to spare.

It was Montero who destroyed Dodger manager Dave Roberts’ gutsy move to have reliever Joe Blanton load the pads in
Game One of the 2016 National League Championship Series, sending a hanging two-strike slider into the right field
bleachers for only the third-ever postseason pinch-hit grand slam. And it was Montero whose tenth-inning RBI single—
hitting again with ducks on the pond—ended up the insurance run in Game Seven of the World Series.

Not to mention that Montero, a mid-game insertion for now-retired David Ross, was the man who steadied Aroldis Chapman,
after Chapman surrendered Rajai Davis’s eighth-inning Game Seven bomb that got close enough to ruining the Cubs’
season. Montero simply called for more breaking pitches in the ninth when Chapman was clearly out of gas, and Chapman
pitched it without a scratch.

With his celebration day commentary—however valid his complaint might have been in one regard (several commentators
concurred that manager Joe Maddon sometimes has communication problems)—Montero damn near wiped that work out
of the memory banks. Throwing Arrieta overboard Tuesday pushed the eraser down more firmly.

Anthony Rizzo, who hasn’t been having the kind of season people expected but who turned into a sniper when inserted
into the leadoff slot this month, didn’t take Montero’s attempted burial of Arrieta lightly. On the theory that one bad turn
deserves another, Rizzo went aboard another ESPN radio show, hosted in Chicago by David Kaplan, and let Montero
have it.

“I had no idea about [Montero's Arrieta remarks] until I got back to the hotel and saw all this stuff,” Rizzo fumed. “I got
a couple text messages from a couple of my friends just kinda asking, ‘What the hell is this guy doing?’

“Listen, we win as a team, we lose as a team. If you start pointing fingers, I think that just labels you as a selfish player.
I disagree. We have another catcher that throws out everyone who steals and he has Jon Lester who doesn’t pick over.
It’s no secret. I think going to the media with things like that, I don’t think it’s very professional.”

No, I didn’t miss the irony in Rizzo calling out a teammate publicly for calling out another teammate publicly, but Rizzo
remains acknowledged and secured as one of the Cubs’ clubhouse leaders while Montero had already eroded most of
his clubhouse cred last November. The Cubs have a lot more pressing issues to resolve if they’d like to have a postseason
encore in October.

Cubs president Theo Epstein minced no words after Montero was designated for assignment, either. “When something
goes wrong on the field we expect our players to take the blame, step up and proactively assume the blame for it, even
if it’s not their fault,” Epstein said.

“That’s the way to be a good teammate. He completely agreed when it was pointed out to him and he apologized. After
thinking about it some more, I just came to the conclusion that now more than ever we need to be a team. This was an
example of being a bad teammate publicly and that we’d be better off moving on and not standing for it.”

Montero was a two-time All-Star with a reputation for mentoring younger players in Arizona. The Cubs thought they were
getting that, and for a time they got the mentor (including for Contreras himself); back issues and other maladies wore
Montero down to top backup status.

And he wasn’t inclined to just sit back and accept it as the aging Ross became a team and media celebrity being exactly
what Montero should have been—a man at peace with himself, accepting of his lot, making the most of what he had,
continuing to teach and mentor younger players with far more baseball life ahead than that left to him.

Even sadder was that Montero showed genuine class as he departed, tweeting, “To the city of Chicago—Dear fans, today
I say goodbye to the greatest fans. I want to thank you for the support. It was an awesome ride. Winning the World
Series was simply fantastic. Thank you to my teammates—good luck to everyone of you. Thank you also to each staff
member, it was an honor to play for the Chicago Cubs organization. Chicago will always be in my heart.”

The question becomes whether Montero’s most poorly timed public complaints will take him out of Chicago’s. Even with
the single most important grand slam and eventual insurance run in team history on his resume.

Come on, man!   Who are you?   You can PM me.   The secret will be just between the two of us.      :laugh:   

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #440 on: June 29, 2017, 05:00:33 pm »
Come on, man!   Who are you?   You can PM me.   The secret will be just between the two of us.      :laugh:   

 :beer:
OK, you forced me into it. I'm really . . .

EasyAce! ;)

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #441 on: June 29, 2017, 05:10:48 pm »
OK, you forced me into it. I'm really . . .

EasyAce! ;)
Some of my best friends are people. You couldn't have one friend who thinks Donaldus Minimus isn't God, Jr.?



I can say with a straight face I consider DCP a good friend, the kind I could enjoy JB with, and I'm out somewhere in the middle of the Trump Spectrum.  We've known each other too long to let something like that keep us down.
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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #442 on: June 29, 2017, 05:19:58 pm »
I can say with a straight face I consider DCP a good friend, the kind I could enjoy JB with, and I'm out somewhere in the middle of the Trump Spectrum.  We've known each other too long to let something like that keep us down.

 :beer:

If there were never a Donald Trump, I'm sure we'd all get along just fine.

But where's the fun in that?
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The idea that somebody looked at a purple onion and called it a red onion really bothers me.   

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« Reply #443 on: June 29, 2017, 05:22:39 pm »
:beer:

If there were never a Donald Trump, I'm sure we'd all get along just fine.

But where's the fun in that?

I have complete confidence we could all find something to fight about.  Like Baseball!  "So, was the DH rule the worst ever, or would you say it's the Deemed No-Pitch walk?  Discuss."
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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #444 on: June 29, 2017, 05:26:40 pm »
I like DC too.  So much so I would give him CPR compressions and Mouth-to-Mouth if'n he has another Heart Attack with the hooker we were with at the time.....again

Glenlivet  for me though DCP...tha JB is out of my league....

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« Reply #445 on: June 29, 2017, 05:29:23 pm »
:beer:

If there were never a Donald Trump, I'm sure we'd all get along just fine.

But where's the fun in that?
If there were never a Donaldus Minimus, I'm sure . . . there'd be some other head of the nation's largest organised
crime family* to divide and conquer us. ;)

(* Hint---it's headquarters are in Washington . . . )


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« Reply #446 on: June 29, 2017, 05:30:43 pm »
"So, was the DH rule the worst ever, or would you say it's the Deemed No-Pitch walk?  Discuss."
DH. Thumbs down. I predict the no-pitch walk won't wreak a sixteenth of the mischief the DH has wreaked.

(Which reminds me: while Madison Bumgarner is on rehab assignment, he's been taking extra batting practise . . . the
way the Giants are going this year every extra stick helps!)


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« Reply #447 on: June 29, 2017, 05:35:26 pm »
My vote is for DH as well.
Not a fan of either rule, but DH is the worst one of the two.
(...I am a beer guy, myself, should we all cross paths).

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Re: BASEBALL 2017---Bring it On!!!
« Reply #448 on: June 29, 2017, 05:44:36 pm »
I like DC too.  So much so I would give him CPR compressions and Mouth-to-Mouth if'n he has another Heart Attack with the hooker we were with at the time.....again

Glenlivet  for me though DCP...tha JB is out of my league....

Same here.  Love of baseball transcends all politics.  Mind if I add my compliment of beverage?

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« Reply #449 on: June 29, 2017, 05:46:33 pm »
I have complete confidence we could all find something to fight about.  Like Baseball!  "So, was the DH rule the worst ever, or would you say it's the Deemed No-Pitch walk?  Discuss."

I started a poll for your question here:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269548.0.html