LEVIN: I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP ... HERE'S WHY

[musiclady]

Already driven down this road and back a million times.

1. Trump isn't really a conservative because he was once a Democrat and is from New York.
2. Whatever Trump says, he doesn't mean. It doesn't matter how conservative his policies appear.
3. Trump's policies are just words
4. Because he contributed to Hillary years ago, likely for special favor, he is as bad as she is
5. Neither candidate is moral enough to garner my vote

The sad thing is, you can't argue policy or you'll just get one of the above mentioned talking points.

Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking if you think that any of the things you've listed are actual positions anyone here has taken.

As for arguing policy, there has been a lot of discussion of policy on non-Trumper's parts.  Perhaps you were too busy, with your cohorts interrupting serious discussion with meaningless jabs to understand what was being said.

Your post wins the gold medal for projection.  What you accuse others of, is what you, yourself do.

[Sanguine]

Who?  I forget.  It will come to me in a couple of months.

 

[unknown]

If you truly believe the "establishment went to the mat to give us" Trump, I think you need new glasses.

The establishment, Jeb Bush, Romney et. all fought tooth and nail, to block Trump. Still are.

Yes they are. And many of the establishment has said they will vote for Hillary. And yet, people here (the circle jerks), insist that the republican establishment are conservatives.

And all the circle jerks here are doing the same, just like the establishment, fighting tooth and nail to block Trump. Still are. They keep bringing up the same same same tiresome clichés, over and over and over.., blah blah blah blah...

[musiclady]

For a brief time, that was this site's policy. But it got changed. This place is the way it is, by design and choice.

And I repeat, why, if you think TBR is such a rotten place, poorly run, do you hang around here?

Just to insult the owners?  Is that it?

You're on the record as saying TOS is a more reasonable place than TBR.  I'm sure you're in the majority there.

Why do you bother posting on a forum you despise?

[musiclady]

Exactly.  I guess they must vent their frustrations.  So go for it.  I have them on ignore but see them when I'm not logged in.  In this case I find their comebacks to me funny.  They are so proud of themselves.  Whatever.  Like you, I am very much at peace with my decision.

A lot that they say, a lot of their emotionalism and projection would be funny if it weren't so sad.....

And yes, they're proud of themselves.  Proud that they've become a nasty lot.   Proud of their anger.

I say, let them vent.  They're responsible for the final destruction of the Republican party and the wounding of the conservative movement.

Maybe that was their goal all along.  To destroy Conservatism.   Who knows??

[unknown]

Already driven down this road and back a million times.

1. Trump isn't really a conservative because he was once a Democrat and is from New York.
2. Whatever Trump says, he doesn't mean. It doesn't matter how conservative his policies appear.
3. Trump's policies are just words
4. Because he contributed to Hillary years ago, likely for special favor, he is as bad as she is
5. Neither candidate is moral enough to garner my vote

The sad thing is, you can't argue policy or you'll just get one of the above mentioned talking points.

A while ago I posted a lot of Ronald Reagans policies and statements when he was a hardcore liberal. I got some very interesting responses.

[Jazzhead]

Already driven down this road and back a million times.

1. Trump isn't really a conservative because he was once a Democrat and is from New York.
2. Whatever Trump says, he doesn't mean. It doesn't matter how conservative his policies appear.
3. Trump's policies are just words
4. Because he contributed to Hillary years ago, likely for special favor, he is as bad as she is
5. Neither candidate is moral enough to garner my vote

The sad thing is, you can't argue policy or you'll just get one of the above mentioned talking points.

Never addressed by the Trump supporters:

Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac who doesn't listen to counsel and holds grudges.   How is such a man fit to hold the office of President? 

[driftdiver]

A while ago I posted a lot of Ronald Reagans policies and statements when he was a hardcore liberal. I got some very interesting responses.

The difference between Reagan and Trump are vast.  First and foremost Reagan became a conservative.   Trump certainly isn't a conservative and still pushed liberal policies.

[DCPatriot]

"When they grow up?"    so in other words when they agree with you and that horses posterior called Trump.

No!!

When you can approach an adversary like @Once-Ler ....., like @massadvj , like @MACVSOG68 and @Lando Lincoln...er, wait, they're not here anymore.

They have the maturity in initiating and carrying on a debate of differences. 

Before you got here, there were several anchor members here that told us straight out where they stood regarding Trump.

We know how to agree to disagree.   We all have Silver Stars and Purple Hearts from forum wars of past.

But this latest group??

...not so much.   

And that horse's rump named Trump is the ONLY thing standing between us and the savage Left bent on destroying "The Greatest Experiment". 

[Smokin Joe]

Not this one.

I do not care if I am the only person on the planet who isn't voting for Trump.  I will not be going along with the seig-heiling masses.

The split second Levin pumps or pushes Trump when a caller tells him they will not vote for Trump - I'm canceling my Levin TV subscription and that will be the end of listening to talk radio.

You won't be the only one. I'm not going there, either.

[Smokin Joe]

Saying Trump is better than Hillary to a NeverTrumper gets automatically translated to,

You are willing to vote for evil. It may be a lesser evil, you may do so willingly, but it is still evil. I will not join with you to vote for evil. When I exercise my sacred duty to vote it will be for those I can support without reservation. Otherwise, I'll leave it blank or write in "none of the above"

[Axel]

Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking if you think that any of the things you've listed are actual positions anyone here has taken.

As for arguing policy, there has been a lot of discussion of policy on non-Trumper's parts.  Perhaps you were too busy, with your cohorts interrupting serious discussion with meaningless jabs to understand what was being said.

Your post wins the gold medal for projection.  What you accuse others of, is what you, yourself do.

All I can say is, you're a very mean spirited person. So I guess you win the gold medal for condescension.

[Smokin Joe]

Conservative talk show hosts, by definition, are dependent on ratings and listeners.  So it's no surprise they're all caving.  They have NO real principles that aren't wallet-related.

He held out pretty well. Keeping a seat at the microphone is important, too. It wasn't a ringing endorsement by any stretch.

[truth_seeker]

Never addressed by the Trump supporters:

Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac who doesn't listen to counsel and holds grudges.   How is such a man fit to hold the office of President?

People said equally negative things about Churchill and Reagan.

Yet they prevailed and their respective nations benefited, in spite of their loudmouthed detractors.

On Churchill, from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29701767

exerpt--

"In April last year, Labour candidate Benjamin Whittingham tweeted that Churchill was "a racist and white supremacist".

And Reagan. Pick a book

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&biw=1221&bih=654&tbm=bks&q=reagan%27s+critics&oq=reagan%27s+critics&gs_l=serp.12...171828.179549.0.181790.27.21.0.0.0.0.798.3250.2-1j3j1j1j1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..24.1.796...0.R0f264kJUtE

[unknown]

People said equally negative things about Churchill and Reagan.

Yet they prevailed and their respective nations benefited, in spite of their loudmouthed detractors.

On Churchill, from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29701767

exerpt--

"In April last year, Labour candidate Benjamin Whittingham tweeted that Churchill was "a racist and white supremacist".

And Reagan. Pick a book

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&biw=1221&bih=654&tbm=bks&q=reagan%27s+critics&oq=reagan%27s+critics&gs_l=serp.12...171828.179549.0.181790.27.21.0.0.0.0.798.3250.2-1j3j1j1j1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..24.1.796...0.R0f264kJUtE

Yes, all the current claims laid at Trump have been laid at Reagan and all the others:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/11/noam-chomsky-ronald-reagan-was-an-extreme-racist/

Noam Chomsky: ‘Ronald Reagan was an extreme racist — though he denied it’

Noam Chomsky, author and political theorist, called the United States a “very racist society” and then slammed one of its most beloved presidents, Ronald Reagan, as a prime example of a very racist man during an interview on GRITtv about Ferguson-related issues and race relations.

Blah blah blah blah blah.. on and on...

[DCPatriot]

People said equally negative things about Churchill and Reagan.

Yet they prevailed and their respective nations benefited, in spite of their loudmouthed detractors.

On Churchill, from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29701767

exerpt--

"In April last year, Labour candidate Benjamin Whittingham tweeted that Churchill was "a racist and white supremacist".

And Reagan. Pick a book

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&biw=1221&bih=654&tbm=bks&q=reagan%27s+critics&oq=reagan%27s+critics&gs_l=serp.12...171828.179549.0.181790.27.21.0.0.0.0.798.3250.2-1j3j1j1j1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..24.1.796...0.R0f264kJUtE

Rush's show is fabulous today....he's been speaking about a ten-page article written to #nevertrumpers and how ridiculously wrong they are to hold their positions at this time.

Can't wait until he posts it on his site.

....and when it's posted here it shouldn't be 'buried' in a GD sub-category in "Entertainment".

[unknown]

10 Real Facts About Ronald Reagan That Republicans Never Choose to Admit

https://mic.com/articles/85379/10-real-facts-about-ronald-reagan-that-republicans-never-choose-to-admit#.pXItBCoTU

1. Reagan fought against civil rights for African Americans.
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2. Reagan vetoed an anti-apartheid bill.
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3. Reagan supported the exploitation of Mexican-American farm workers.
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{.. snip ..}

[musiclady]

All I can say is, you're a very mean spirited person. So I guess you win the gold medal for condescension.

Your calling me names doesn't change that your post was highly inaccurate, and that your criticisms are invalid.

But it is curious that you consider me "mean spirited" (which I'm not), and yet you are here as a missionary for the nastiest guy to run for President since LBJ (same party, btw).

How do you reconcile your support of a vulgar narcissist with your inability to handle any criticism, no matter how mild mannered it is?

[musiclady]

You are willing to vote for evil. It may be a lesser evil, you may do so willingly, but it is still evil. I will not join with you to vote for evil. When I exercise my sacred duty to vote it will be for those I can support without reservation. Otherwise, I'll leave it blank or write in "none of the above"

Amen and AMEN!

The only point I might disagree with you about is that Trump is the "lesser" of the two evils.  It would be difficult, considering his evil past, to conclude that he's not as evil as Hillary.  It just hasn't been proven politically yet.

[driftdiver]

All I can say is, you're a very mean spirited person. So I guess you win the gold medal for condescension.

@musiclady is mean?!    Hogwash, she's one of the nicest folks around.

[musiclady]

@musiclady is mean?!    Hogwash, she's one of the nicest folks around.

Aww, shucks!  I try!   :dx1:

Axel and a handful of his Trumpals just think I'm "mean" because I find the object of their devotion loathsome.

They're trying to make me feel guilty with their name-calling because I won't give in to bullying about morality and ethics.

It's not working......

I feel no guilt for maintaining the standards I've always had, and Lord willing, always will.

[musiclady]

There are few more mean-spirited than Trump.

True enough.

At least LBJ hid his disgusting nature from the general public.  Trump brags about his.

[XenaLee]

@musiclady is mean?!    Hogwash, she's one of the nicest folks around.

Apparently....to the Trump camp....it is now "mean-spirited" to refuse to support or vote for Trump.  Meanwhile....those that continue to harass, name-call, insult and goad the #nevertrumpers are supposedly the "salt of the earth" and almost saintly-like posters.   

[GrouchoTex]

Ted Cruz to follow soon?

My feeling is Cruz will also vote for Trump, but not announce it.
If he follows his own advice and "votes his conscience" what choice does he have to allow Hillary a chance to win?
Just my opinion.
BTW, I am a Cruz supporter, and will vote to send him back to the senate in 2018.

[LMAO]

Already driven down this road and back a million times.

1. Trump isn't really a conservative because he was once a Democrat and is from New York.
2. Whatever Trump says, he doesn't mean. It doesn't matter how conservative his policies appear.
3. Trump's policies are just words
4. Because he contributed to Hillary years ago, likely for special favor, he is as bad as she is
5. Neither candidate is moral enough to garner my vote

The sad thing is, you can't argue policy or you'll just get one of the above mentioned talking points.

I'll address each point..
1)Just because he's from NY doesn't mean he cannot be a conservative. But, if Trump was in office for the last 30 years, his past, both distant and even some recent, positions and statements would earn him the title, at the very least, of RINO
2) How much of his currently stated policies does he really believe and how many are just to pander to the right? Again, no one can say for certain
3)Right now, they are just words. And, because he has no legislative record and because there is alot of contradictions, I reserve the right to be skeptical
4) He didn't just contribute to her political campaigns. he also donated to the Clinton Foundation and praised her. And, what evidence do you have, after being a part, not a cause, but a player in a corrupt system that he did benefit from, that he is the man to fix it?
5)Since all of us are flawed, I don't know how you would determine if a candidate is moral enough to earn one's vote. I do expect that a candidate running for office is not embroiled in scandals.

So, you fret about not able to argue policy. Yet, you just seem to take Mr Trump at his word that all that you hope to happen under his leadership will when there is more than ample evidence it may not.

Nobody here is going to disagree with you that the economy isn't doing well, the country is heading in the wrong direction, that illegal immigration is a problem or that ObamaCare is a ticking time bomb. But since Trump's positions have been all over the map on many of these issues and , with his own words, leaves many wondering, do you understand why many of us remain skeptical and need more than "but he promised us?"