Wah-Hoo!...Ted Cruz to speak at Republican National Convention after all....

[Cyber Liberty]

Thing is to my mind it was quite plausible, In fact I immediately did  a search for a story.

Yeah, me too.  I was hoping he wasn't still rolling the Lyin' Ted business.  That needs to stop if he hopes to get any votes from the Cruz folks.

[musiclady]

Yeah, me too.  I was hoping he wasn't still rolling the Lyin' Ted business.  That needs to stop if he hopes to get any votes from the Cruz folks.

I think it's too late for that.

Trump has already proven that he's a despicable liar with no conscience when it comes to the things he said about Ted Cruz and his family.

That won't just "go away" if he stops now.

[txradioguy]

Thing is to my mind it was quite plausible, In fact I immediately did  a search for a story.

@don-o I'm flattered and yet frightened at the same time that I did such a convincing job LOL!

[Bigun]

I understand why you're proud.  Back in The Day, Free Republic was something to be proud of.  And I am one of the originals.  I joined the same day Jim R. created FR as a forum.  Before that, we were posting on kind of a White Water chat room with very few members.  I can remember logging in late at night and saying , 'anybody here?"

Free Republic remained a good forum until 2012.  That was the first time it got out of hand.  I was a supporter of Rick Perry and it got really vicious.  I was banned because I criticized Jim for allowing all the personal insults.  I still think he was wrong to do that. 

I came back at the start of this primary season and, before long, Jim was allowing the most vicious personal attacks against Cruz supporters.  Deja Vue all over again.  Eventually, Jim sold his soul to the trumpers on the forum ... partially because they bribed him with monetary support...

Oh, well.

I fully concur with that!  My member number over there was 2827 or something close to that (joined March 98) and was a monthly donor for most of the time I was there.  I left and stopped my contributions in 2012 (no opus just left)  because Jim had given the religious bigots over there free reign and I couldn't abide that. Only got banned recently when I called Jim a first class SOB to his face.

[skeeter]

Because no one knows ... even Trump ... what he thinks today or will think tomorrow.  If Trump promises you something, get it in advance ... do not believe it, even if he signs it in front of 100 notaries and 3 Supreme Court justices.

I hope and know that Ted Cruz is way too smart to fall for anything Trump says or promises.  I hope like heck that he doesn't say one kind word about Trump when he speaks at the Convention.

I'm inclined to agree. Admittedly, I'm grasping at straws now.

[Silver Pines]

The convention is not about one person. The convention highlights the party and its values.

For many Trump supporters, this whole election is about one person, one personality.

[musiclady]

The convention is not about one person. The convention highlights the party and its values.

The party has thrown away its "values" if Trump is nominated.

[Silver Pines]

I hope and know that Ted Cruz is way too smart to fall for anything Trump says or promises.  I hope like heck that he doesn't say one kind word about Trump when he speaks at the Convention.

It's going to be very difficult for Cruz to reverse himself and offer compliments to Trump after the truth-telling he did before dropping out,  If he does it, he'll look like just another calculating politician.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/03/cruz_explodes_pathological_liar_trump_a_narcissist_at_a_level_i_dont_think_this_country_has_ever_seen.html

[thatcher]

Put those endorsement rumors to bed.

He’s responding to Kelly criticizing him last night on her show.

Ted Cruz to Glenn Beck this a.m.:

“Substantively, it sounds like what you described is really silly.  The conversation I had yesterday with Donald Trump was quite straightforward.  Donald asked me if I would speak at the Republican National Convention, and I said I’d be happy to.  We had no discussion whatsoever of any endorsement.  Our country’s facing enormous challenges, and I do not believe it is the responsible choice for conservatives to shy away from defending principles we believe in, from talking about who America is and how we go forward to get on a better path, and that’s what I intend to do at the convention.  If it is the case that Megan or anyone else decides that’s a reason to attack me, because I’m willing to actually speak to Republicans at our national convention, then that is a curious position."

[Silver Pines]

I think it's too late for that.

Trump has already proven that he's a despicable liar with no conscience when it comes to the things he said about Ted Cruz and his family.

That won't just "go away" if he stops now.

Agreed.  Trump has made a habit of "Lyin' Ted", so it wouldn't matter a damn if he suddenly stopped it to get votes.

I read about people longing for Trump to change course and be serious, show that he has some basic level of intelligence.  I don't understand it.  He's had over a year to show us exactly what he is and what he lacks, so why would some fake coaching by advisors make anyone feel better about him?

[DiogenesLamp]

Ted Cruz should have been our nominee.   Trump and his supporters did some very unethical things in the manner in which they spread lies and rumors about him.   Making insinuations about his family was just way over the line. 



Cruz is the more intellectual and ideological of all the choices available,   and he would have implemented the right policies for the right reasons.   


I think Trump will mostly implement some correct policies,   but not necessarily because he understands the ideological framework underpinning them.    I think he will do so because some of his instincts about the direction the country is going in,  are correct.    I also think he will listen to the thinking of some of his more astute advisers. 


But again,  Cruz should have been the nominee.   

[DiogenesLamp]

I think it's too late for that.

Trump has already proven that he's a despicable liar with no conscience when it comes to the things he said about Ted Cruz and his family.

That won't just "go away" if he stops now.

No it won't.   That was a very bad strategy on the part of Trump and his supporters.   You do not make a  primary fight personal,  for if your do,  you may win the battle but lose the war.   


You just don't insult and humiliate another candidates and their supporters and expect them to rally behind you.   


But on the other hand,   I don't think Trump would have won the primary had he not followed this strategy.   


By all measure of sanity and reason,   our nominee should have been Cruz,   not some New York Liberal blowhard who recently identifies as a Republican.   

Unfortunately a lot of people swallowed his con-job because they so much wanted a fighter that they simply overlooked all of his ideological warning signs. 




Now we are in the position of having to make the best of a bad situation. 

[Silver Pines]

No it won't.   That was a very bad strategy on the part of Trump and his supporters.   You do not make a  primary fight personal,  for if your do,  you may win the battle but lose the war.   


You just don't insult and humiliate another candidates and their supporters and expect them to rally behind you.   


But on the other hand,   I don't think Trump would have won the primary had he not followed this strategy.   


By all measure of sanity and reason,   our nominee should have been Cruz,   not some New York Liberal blowhard who recently identifies as a Republican.   

Unfortunately a lot of people swallowed his con-job because they so much wanted a fighter that they simply overlooked all of his ideological warning signs. 




Now we are in the position of having to make the best of a bad situation.

I agree, which is why I won't be supporting Trump or Clinton.

[DiogenesLamp]

I agree, which is why I won't be supporting Trump or Clinton.

Although I am morally on the side of Cruz,   I do not believe we are living in a world in which we can ignore the practical realities.   


I think my first moral obligation is to my family and specifically my children.   


I think Hillary will not only implement Nazi-style abuses targeting her political enemies,  (meaning us)   I think she will precipitate an economic collapse,  (more socialist economic policies)  if not a major (perhaps World)  war.    (Weakness emboldens our enemies.)   



I don't like Trump,   and I think that not only did Cruz deserve the nomination,  he would have been our best possible choice of all the other candidates, (intellectually and ideologically)   he just could not overcome Trump's street-fighting ability.    (Trump fights dirty.)   


I regard the selection of Trump as a disaster,   but the ascension of Hillary will be an extinction level event so far as conservatives are concerned.   


Again,   my first moral duty is to my children.   

[Cyber Liberty]

No it won't.   That was a very bad strategy on the part of Trump and his supporters.   You do not make a  primary fight personal,  for if your do,  you may win the battle but lose the war.   


You just don't insult and humiliate another candidates and their supporters and expect them to rally behind you.   


But on the other hand,   I don't think Trump would have won the primary had he not followed this strategy.   


By all measure of sanity and reason,   our nominee should have been Cruz,   not some New York Liberal blowhard who recently identifies as a Republican.   

Unfortunately a lot of people swallowed his con-job because they so much wanted a fighter that they simply overlooked all of his ideological warning signs. 




Now we are in the position of having to make the best of a bad situation.

I think that's a pretty good summary of where we are, and how we got here.  It's reasonable to expect some people will be attracted by the alleged outreach, while others consider the bridges pretty well burned.   What Ted says will tell much about what the portions will be.

[geronl]

I think Trump will mostly implement some correct policies,   but not necessarily because he understands the ideological framework underpinning them.    I think he will do so because some of his instincts about the direction the country is going in,  are correct. 

he has terrible instincts. His first instinct is always leftist. Like the Syrian refugees, his first instinct was to let them in.

[Silver Pines]

Although I am morally on the side of Cruz,   I do not believe we are living in a world in which we can ignore the practical realities.   


I think my first moral obligation is to my family and specifically my children.   


I think Hillary will not only implement Nazi-style abuses targeting her political enemies,  (meaning us)   I think she will precipitate an economic collapse,  (more socialist economic policies)  if not a major (perhaps World)  war.    (Weakness emboldens our enemies.)   



I don't like Trump,   and I think that not only did Cruz deserve the nomination,  he would have been our best possible choice of all the other candidates, (intellectually and ideologically)   he just could not overcome Trump's street-fighting ability.    (Trump fights dirty.)   


I regard the selection of Trump as a disaster,   but the ascension of Hillary will be an extinction level event so far as conservatives are concerned.   


Again,   my first moral duty is to my children.

I understand your point of view.  But for me, Trump and Clinton are disasters of equal magnitude.  I think Trump is mentally unstable, narcissistic to a degree that eclipses the current occupant of the Oval Office, and dangerous.  I think he could do untold damage, both to the country and to our troops.  I also think he's every bit as corrupt and amoral as Clinton.

I'm morally obligated to refrain from inflicting either of those disasters on my country.

[Cyber Liberty]

I understand your point of view.  But for me, Trump and Clinton are disasters of equal magnitude.  I think Trump is mentally unstable, narcissistic to a degree that eclipses the current occupant of the Oval Office, and dangerous.  I think he could do untold damage, both to the country and to our troops.  I also think he's every bit as corrupt and amoral as Clinton.

I'm morally obligated to refrain from inflicting either of those disasters on my country.

@CatherineofAragon , @DiogenesLamp

You are both correct.  What we do in the voting booth is a deeply personal decision, one that's informed in different ways by different people.  It's what makes America great!

[WAC]

@CatherineofAragon , @DiogenesLamp

You are both correct.  What we do in the voting booth is a deeply personal decision, one that's informed in different ways by different people.  It's what makes America great!

I don't consider my vote a "deeply" personal decision...I consider it a duty to vote.....what I base that decision on are 'the issues' that come closest to those I believe are best for the country.  That does not mean I'm emotionally involved with the individual I choose, I'm not. ...That does mean I simply have a choice to select the better of what we have to choose from for the next four years. After that the equation changes again.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon , @DiogenesLamp

You are both correct.  What we do in the voting booth is a deeply personal decision, one that's informed in different ways by different people.  It's what makes America great!

@Cyber Liberty  @DiogenesLamp  @Cripplecreek

I'm seeing this from several sources on twitter:


Steve Deace ‏@SteveDeaceShow  14h14 hours ago
Steve Deace Retweeted

Repeat after me, he's not a saboteur. He's not a saboteur.


Jennifer JacobsVerified account
‏@JenniferJJacobs

Trump says it was a chore to rip Clinton. "Doing it cuz I feel I have to do it and it’s sort of boring." Wanted to get on to other subjects.


For a long time, I didn't put much stock in the idea that Trump was a stalking horse for Clinton, but I'm coming to believe it more and more now.

[Bigun]

@Cyber Liberty  @DiogenesLamp  @Cripplecreek

I'm seeing this from several sources on twitter:


Steve Deace ‏@SteveDeaceShow  14h14 hours ago
Steve Deace Retweeted

Repeat after me, he's not a saboteur. He's not a saboteur.


Jennifer JacobsVerified account
‏@JenniferJJacobs

Trump says it was a chore to rip Clinton. "Doing it cuz I feel I have to do it and it’s sort of boring." Wanted to get on to other subjects.


For a long time, I didn't put much stock in the idea that Trump was a stalking horse for Clinton, but I'm coming to believe it more and more now.

I have been convinced of it from day one and remain so to this very minute!

[Emjay]

Put those endorsement rumors to bed.

He’s responding to Kelly criticizing him last night on her show.

A perfect statement.  Typical Cruz.

[don-o]

I regard the selection of Trump as a disaster,   but the ascension of Hillary will be an extinction level event so far as conservatives are concerned. 

Again,   my first moral duty is to my children.

July 5 brought it into focus for me. And I am  not even sure exactly why; except for the reality of HC taking the oath on Jan 20 became something akin to mushroom clouds from sea to shining sea.

I have no idea what A President Trump would do; but I know, in my bones, what a President Hillary will do.

I'm voting for the unknown.

[DCPatriot]

July 5 brought it into focus for me. And I am  not even sure exactly why; except for the reality of HC taking the oath on Jan 20 became something akin to mushroom clouds from sea to shining sea.

I have no idea what A President Trump would do; but I know, in my bones, what a President Hillary will do.

I'm voting for the unknown.

Welcome aboard, sir!

And that's the beginning and end, from where I was coming. 

@DiogenesLamp said it perfectly here, paraphrased:  'POTUS Hillary... [could very well be] an extinction-level event for Conservatives.'

July 5th should be a wake up call to EVERYONE!   A taste of what would lie ahead.   

...as that sinks in, add a LEFTIST activist SCOTUS to the mix.

@don-o 


edited to add:  This had been my focus since last Summer.   It's why I don't give a hoot what comes out of Trump's mouth.

Compared to what Hillary has planned....Trump is on OUR side.

He's a world-class negotiator and a galactic all-star Delegator in his stock and trade.   It can be applied to the Oval Office.

[Silver Pines]

I have been convinced of it from day one and remain so to this very minute!

@Bigun

Looks more and more like you were right from the beginning.  I keep thinking of Trump saying, "Right now, I'm catering to the Republicans."