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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2016, 06:23:10 pm »
Let's just end this dishonest effort at saying they did not all PLEDGE to support whomever the nominee is...in their own words.


From the debate on March 3rd.

BRET BAIER: Gentlemen, this is the last question of the night. It has been a long time since our first debate, seven months ago in Cleveland. A lot has transpired since then, obviously, including an RNC pledge that all of you signed agreeing to support the party's nominee and not to launch an independent run. Tonight, in 30 seconds, can you definitively say you will support the Republican nominee, even if that nominee is Donald J. Trump?

Senator Rubio, yes or no?

RUBIO: I'll support the Republican nominee.

BAIER: Mr. Trump? Yes or no?

RUBIO: I'll support Donald if he's the Republican nominee, and let me tell you why. Because the Democrats have two people left in the race. One of them is a socialist. America doesn't want to be a socialist country. If you want to be a socialist country, then move to a socialist country.

The other one is under FBI investigation. And not only is she under FBI investigation, she lied to the families of the victims of Benghazi, and anyone who lies to the families of victims who lost their lives in the service of our country can never be the commander- in-chief of the United States.

BAIER: Senator...

RUBIO: We must defeat Hillary Clinton.

BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would. And what I have endeavored to do every day in the Senate is do what I said I would do. You know, just on Tuesday, we saw an overwhelming victory in the state of Texas where I won Texas by 17 percent.

And I will say it was a powerful affirmation that the people who know me best, the people who I campaigned, who made promises that if you elect me, I'll lead the fight against Obamacare, I'll lead the fight against amnesty, I'll lead the fight against our debt, and I will fight for the Bill of Rights and your rights every day, that the people of Texas said you have kept your word, and that's what I'll do as president.

BAIER: Governor Kasich, yes or no, would you support Donald Trump as the Republican nominee?

KASICH: Yeah. But -- and I kind of think that, before it's all said and done, I'll be the nominee. But let me also say...

(APPLAUSE)

But let me also say, remember...

BAIER: But your answer is yes?

KASICH: But I'm the little engine that can. And, yeah, look, when you're in the arena, and we're in the arena. And the people out here watching -- we're in the arena, we're traveling, we're working, we spend time away from our family, when you're in the arena, you enter a special circle. And you want to respect the people that you're in the arena with. So if he ends up as the nominee -- sometimes, he makes it a little bit hard -- but, you know, I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

(APPLAUSE)

WALLACE: Mr. Trump, I'm going to ask you a version of the same question. As we saw today with Mitt Romney, the #NeverTrump movement is gaining steam. Some people are talking about contributing millions of dollars to try to stop you. Again today, you raised the possibility that you might run as an independent if you feel you're treated unfairly by the Republican Party.

So I'm going to phrase the question that the other three people on this stage just got. Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it's not you?

TRUMP: Even if it's not me?

(LAUGHTER)

Let me just start off by saying...

WALLACE: Thirty seconds, sir.

TRUMP: ... OK -- that I'm very, very proud of -- millions and millions of people have come to the Republican Party over the last little while. They've come to the Republican Party. And by the way, the Democrats are losing people. This is a trend that's taking place. It's the biggest thing happening in politics, and I'm very proud to be a part of it. And I'm going to give them some credit, too, even though they don't deserve it. But the answer is: Yes, I will.

WALLACE: Yes, you will support the nominee of the party? TRUMP: Yes, I will. Yes. I will.



And let's put extra emphasis on what Ted Cruz said....."Yes, because I gave my word that I would..."
Mr. Cruz states that his word is given. Period. No conditions. No equivocation or escape clauses...word given and sealed. He breaks that, and he is NOTHING that many here have claimed him to be.

So the candidates re-affirmed their collective pledge on March 3.  But Trump rescinded his pledge on approximately March 30.  So the others are off the hook.   
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2016, 06:23:28 pm »
I don't see any difference between this pledge and the "pledged delegates".  Throughout a primary season or an election season circumstances change and more information is made available that sheds light on a nominee's qualifications (personal or otherwise).  If Senator Cruz should choose not to support Donald Trump when the delegates vote and he actually becomes the Republican Nominee, that is Senator Cruz's choice just as every one of us has a choice on who to vote for.  How long does anyone here believe the pledge should last?  Are there ANY circumstances that would nullify the pledge??  Lastly, isn't it a personal decision???

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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2016, 06:23:57 pm »
Let's just end this dishonest effort at saying they did not all PLEDGE to support whomever the nominee is...in their own words.


From the debate on March 3rd.

BRET BAIER: Gentlemen, this is the last question of the night. It has been a long time since our first debate, seven months ago in Cleveland. A lot has transpired since then, obviously, including an RNC pledge that all of you signed agreeing to support the party's nominee and not to launch an independent run. Tonight, in 30 seconds, can you definitively say you will support the Republican nominee, even if that nominee is Donald J. Trump?

Senator Rubio, yes or no?

RUBIO: I'll support the Republican nominee.

BAIER: Mr. Trump? Yes or no?

RUBIO: I'll support Donald if he's the Republican nominee, and let me tell you why. Because the Democrats have two people left in the race. One of them is a socialist. America doesn't want to be a socialist country. If you want to be a socialist country, then move to a socialist country.

The other one is under FBI investigation. And not only is she under FBI investigation, she lied to the families of the victims of Benghazi, and anyone who lies to the families of victims who lost their lives in the service of our country can never be the commander- in-chief of the United States.

BAIER: Senator...

RUBIO: We must defeat Hillary Clinton.

BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would. And what I have endeavored to do every day in the Senate is do what I said I would do. You know, just on Tuesday, we saw an overwhelming victory in the state of Texas where I won Texas by 17 percent.

And I will say it was a powerful affirmation that the people who know me best, the people who I campaigned, who made promises that if you elect me, I'll lead the fight against Obamacare, I'll lead the fight against amnesty, I'll lead the fight against our debt, and I will fight for the Bill of Rights and your rights every day, that the people of Texas said you have kept your word, and that's what I'll do as president.

BAIER: Governor Kasich, yes or no, would you support Donald Trump as the Republican nominee?

KASICH: Yeah. But -- and I kind of think that, before it's all said and done, I'll be the nominee. But let me also say...

(APPLAUSE)

But let me also say, remember...

BAIER: But your answer is yes?

KASICH: But I'm the little engine that can. And, yeah, look, when you're in the arena, and we're in the arena. And the people out here watching -- we're in the arena, we're traveling, we're working, we spend time away from our family, when you're in the arena, you enter a special circle. And you want to respect the people that you're in the arena with. So if he ends up as the nominee -- sometimes, he makes it a little bit hard -- but, you know, I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

(APPLAUSE)

WALLACE: Mr. Trump, I'm going to ask you a version of the same question. As we saw today with Mitt Romney, the #NeverTrump movement is gaining steam. Some people are talking about contributing millions of dollars to try to stop you. Again today, you raised the possibility that you might run as an independent if you feel you're treated unfairly by the Republican Party.

So I'm going to phrase the question that the other three people on this stage just got. Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it's not you?

TRUMP: Even if it's not me?

(LAUGHTER)

Let me just start off by saying...

WALLACE: Thirty seconds, sir.

TRUMP: ... OK -- that I'm very, very proud of -- millions and millions of people have come to the Republican Party over the last little while. They've come to the Republican Party. And by the way, the Democrats are losing people. This is a trend that's taking place. It's the biggest thing happening in politics, and I'm very proud to be a part of it. And I'm going to give them some credit, too, even though they don't deserve it. But the answer is: Yes, I will.

WALLACE: Yes, you will support the nominee of the party? TRUMP: Yes, I will. Yes. I will.



And let's put extra emphasis on what Ted Cruz said....."Yes, because I gave my word that I would..."
Mr. Cruz states that his word is given. Period. No conditions. No equivocation or escape clauses...word given and sealed. He breaks that, and he is NOTHING that many here have claimed him to be.

Its a waste of time, but as long as you guys keep telling tall tales I'll keep refuting em.

March 29, 2016:

(CNN)Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich all stepped back from their earlier pledge to support the eventual Republican nominee during Tuesday night's CNN town hall.

"No, I don't anymore," Trump said, when asked by CNN's Anderson Cooper if he continued "to pledge to support whoever the Republican nominee is?"
Trump said he has "been treated very unfairly" by the Republican National Committee and party establishment figures. The billionaire front-runner accused rival Cruz of "essentially saying the same thing" in response to a question about the pledge.

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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2016, 06:37:42 pm »
It was a collective pledge, asked to be made by all the candidates.  After Trump rescinded his pledge,  the other collective pledgees were released from their pledges (provided they didn't thereafter re-affirm their pledges).   That's how I'd analyze the issue as a lawyer.  The facts appear to show that Trump rescinded his pledge, so the others are now off the hook.

And, yeah, the bleatings of the Trumpsters regarding the primacy of "honor" are a sick joke.   Honor is to Donald Trump as a bicycle is to a fish.

Who released them? Did they even make such an absurd assertion themselves? Where did the pledge assert that the failure of one person making the pledge, freed the others from theirs...you certainly can't make an ethical OR a legal case for that. They weren't signing a contract with a conditional release based on others adhering to the same...so where does your legal assertion come from? Thin air, perhaps.

As for honor, its you folks claiming that Mr. Cruz is a scion of "honor"...not us on the Trump side. So how is it that the scion is so free and quick to break his own word...perhaps he and Mr. Trump have more in common than you'd like to think.
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2016, 07:24:31 pm »
Who released them? Did they even make such an absurd assertion themselves? Where did the pledge assert that the failure of one person making the pledge, freed the others from theirs...you certainly can't make an ethical OR a legal case for that. They weren't signing a contract with a conditional release based on others adhering to the same...so where does your legal assertion come from? Thin air, perhaps.

As for honor, its you folks claiming that Mr. Cruz is a scion of "honor"...not us on the Trump side. So how is it that the scion is so free and quick to break his own word...perhaps he and Mr. Trump have more in common than you'd like to think.

They were all asked to make the pledge collectively.  They were all asked at the same time to say that they'd support the GOP nominee whoever he/she was.   Each pledge was therefore contingent on the others - and once one (Trump) rejected the pledge, the others weren't duty or honor bound to support the one who had broken the collective vow of solidarity. 
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2016, 08:10:32 pm »
I'm waiting for the day when Trump figures out who he supposed to be running against now and quits running against those in the past. So Trump is mad that former candidates aren't supporting him, I seem to recall more than a few times when he felt it would be just fine to blow off that pledge himself. For a successful businessman Trump sure seems to spend a lot of time firefighting. He wastes time and effort in a twitter war with Warren over a childish hat insult, did he ever comment on the travesty out of the Supreme Court that day? He continues to alienate those he needs to win instead of building bridges, of course the trumpettes tell us he doesn't need them...right before Trump tells them that he needs their support. I am becoming firmly convinced that the only people Trump has any desire to make deals with are the democrats

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« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2016, 08:21:53 pm »
They were all asked to make the pledge collectively.  They were all asked at the same time to say that they'd support the GOP nominee whoever he/she was.   Each pledge was therefore contingent on the others - and once one (Trump) rejected the pledge, the others weren't duty or honor bound to support the one who had broken the collective vow of solidarity.

Actually, they were asked individually...and in succession...not "collectively". An important and specific distinction. There was no "out" clause given to any of them which allowed the failure of one to free the others from their pledge. In fact, the commitments were given unconditionally. The ONLY way out is to break your pledge...what the other candidates do is irrelevant to the other individuals because the pledge was not given with such a condition.
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2016, 08:39:27 pm »
"They broke their word. In my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again because what they did is disgraceful."

Did you ever notice that when Trump doesn't like something, he doesn't simply say "I don't like that".
No, when Trump doesn't like something, he wants to ban it.

Ban his  opponents
Ban certain members of the press at his rallies.
Ban all Muslims (until we can figure this thing out, of course).
Ban certain parts of the internet.
etc.

It's called censorship and it's called tyranny.


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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2016, 08:40:00 pm »
I am becoming firmly convinced that the only people Trump has any desire to make deals with are the democrats

Exactly.

And Christie looks to be the VP choice too.

This is what it looks like after a post-Constitutional velvet coup.
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« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2016, 08:41:40 pm »
"They broke their word. In my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again because what they did is disgraceful."

Did you ever notice that when Trump doesn't like something, he doesn't simply say "I don't like that".
No, when Trump doesn't like something, he wants to ban it.

Ban his  opponents
Ban certain members of the press at his rallies.
Ban all Muslims (until we can figure this thing out, of course).
Ban certain parts of the internet.
etc.

It's called censorship and it's called tyranny.

He'll soon start calling for banishment camps to house those he banished.  Maybe he can call it something fancy?  I hear 'gulag' is an appropriately classy term for such a thing.

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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2016, 08:42:59 pm »
"They broke their word. In my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again because what they did is disgraceful."

Did you ever notice that when Trump doesn't like something, he doesn't simply say "I don't like that".
No, when Trump doesn't like something, he wants to ban it.

Ban his  opponents
Ban certain members of the press at his rallies.
Ban all Muslims (until we can figure this thing out, of course).
Ban certain parts of the internet.
etc.

It's called censorship and it's called tyranny.

Actually, its just called hyperbole.
Although, banning certain press members from private events is 100% reasonable and has no bearing on governance or constitutionality.
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2016, 08:46:50 pm »
"They broke their word. In my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again because what they did is disgraceful."

Did you ever notice that when Trump doesn't like something, he doesn't simply say "I don't like that".
No, when Trump doesn't like something, he wants to ban it.

Ban his  opponents
Ban certain members of the press at his rallies.
Ban all Muslims (until we can figure this thing out, of course).
Ban certain parts of the internet.
etc.

It's called censorship and it's called tyranny.

Is it any wonder why so many of us say the man's a proto-fascist?   And more dangerous than even Hillary Clinton?
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2016, 08:47:28 pm »
Actually, its just called hyperbole.
Although, banning certain press members from private events is 100% reasonable and has no bearing on governance or constitutionality.

We had all better hope so.

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« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2016, 08:50:01 pm »
We had all better hope so.

No need to hope, just acknowledge the obvious.
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« Reply #89 on: June 30, 2016, 08:51:28 pm »
Actually, its just called hyperbole.
Although, banning certain press members from private events is 100% reasonable and has no bearing on governance or constitutionality.

When a man says he's going to do something, the best advice is to believe that's what he's going to do unless opposed.

It was idiots in Europe who didn't follow that advice who let Germany metastasize into WWII.

"Oh, he says he wants to remilitarize the Rhineland... that's just hyperbole, he doesn't mean it!"
"Oh, he says he wants an Anchloss with Austria... that's just hyperbole, he doesn't mean it!"
"Oh, he says he wants the Sudentenland... that's just hyperbole, he doesn't mean it!"
"Oh, he says he wants Danzig...that's just hyperbole, he doesn't mean it!"

Trump means what he says!  AND THAT'S WHAT SO DANGEROUS ABOUT HIM!
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« Reply #90 on: June 30, 2016, 08:51:48 pm »
Actually, its just called hyperbole.
Although, banning certain press members from private events is 100% reasonable and has no bearing on governance or constitutionality.

Banning people from ever running for public office again because they will not kiss Trump's ring does INDEED bear upon governance.  You cannot possibly be as stupid as you make yourself out to be with this kind of propaganda to believe what you shill for your prince.
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« Reply #91 on: June 30, 2016, 08:52:26 pm »
Actually, they were asked individually...and in succession...not "collectively". An important and specific distinction. There was no "out" clause given to any of them which allowed the failure of one to free the others from their pledge. In fact, the commitments were given unconditionally. The ONLY way out is to break your pledge...what the other candidates do is irrelevant to the other individuals because the pledge was not given with such a condition.

They were all asked the question in each other's presence,  and with the knowledge that each would be asked to make the same pledge.  That's a pledge of collective solidarity- which none broke until Trump did.   At that point, they were off the hook, because at that point, collective solidarity disappeared and the pledge became meaningless.  Why, for example, should Kasich pledge to support Trump after Trump has dropped his pledge to support Kasich?   
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« Reply #92 on: June 30, 2016, 08:52:35 pm »
No need to hope, just acknowledge the obvious.
Since the obvious changes regularly, that is difficult to do.

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« Reply #93 on: June 30, 2016, 09:00:21 pm »
Banning people from ever running for public office again because they will not kiss Trump's ring does INDEED bear upon governance.  You cannot possibly be as stupid as you make yourself out to be with this kind of propaganda to believe what you shill for your prince.

They WANT liberalism and all that comes with it. Thats why they support a liberal. Simple math.

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« Reply #94 on: June 30, 2016, 09:07:17 pm »
They were all asked the question in each other's presence,  and with the knowledge that each would be asked to make the same pledge.  That's a pledge of collective solidarity- which none broke until Trump did.   At that point, they were off the hook, because at that point, collective solidarity disappeared and the pledge became meaningless.  Why, for example, should Kasich pledge to support Trump after Trump has dropped his pledge to support Kasich?  He shouldn't pledge so AFTER Trump has done that...but the fact that he did so on his own previously is not remitted because of the actions of Trump or anyone else. That's because the pledge was unconditional...reference the wording of the question in the debate.

Really? Is that how you think contracts/pledges work?

If I sign a contractual obligation, and the guy next to me signs one, and then a 3rd guy...but in none of our contracts is there an escape clause based on the other two persons failing to meet their contract's requirements. Yet, somehow in your universe, I just get to decide I'm free because the other fellows failed their obligation.

I don't think so.
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« Reply #95 on: June 30, 2016, 09:27:00 pm »
Really? Is that how you think contracts/pledges work?

If I sign a contractual obligation, and the guy next to me signs one, and then a 3rd guy...but in none of our contracts is there an escape clause based on the other two persons failing to meet their contract's requirements. Yet, somehow in your universe, I just get to decide I'm free because the other fellows failed their obligation.

I don't think so.

Actually, in the situation you describe, that is a failure of consideration/performance by the other parties, and you would no longer be bound.  That's basic hornbook law.  No "escape clause" is necessary because the contract fails for lack of consideration.

Also, depending on the contract and state law, a "covenant of good faith and fair dealing" may be considered an implied term of many contracts even though it is not expressly contained in the contract.  I simply can't get too worked up about candidates "backing out" of such pledges simply because the argument that such promises must be fulfilled regardless of subsequent events (as opposed to pre-existing factors) is unreasonable.  Suppose Trump were indicted for something business related, or was videotaped molesting someone, or it emails were leaked showing that he actually had conspired to throw the election, or it turned out he was extremely ill, or any number of events that could not reasonably have been predicted at the time the pledge was made.  Would candidates still be obligated to support a guy under indictment, or who molested someone, etc.?  Such promises always come with some implied terms -- namely, that you're not going to do or say something batshit crazy that nobody could have predicted.

To me, that's an excuse for Cruz at least -- nobody would expect someone to support someone who insulted their wife and father.  For the other guys, it all depends on how you view what Trump said in March.  If he repudiated his obligation at that time, then the other candidates would be justified in doing the same with respect to him.
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #96 on: June 30, 2016, 09:44:59 pm »
Really? Is that how you think contracts/pledges work?

If I sign a contractual obligation, and the guy next to me signs one, and then a 3rd guy...but in none of our contracts is there an escape clause based on the other two persons failing to meet their contract's requirements. Yet, somehow in your universe, I just get to decide I'm free because the other fellows failed their obligation.

No contract was drawn up.  No contract was signed by anyone in this campaign.  A verbal "pledge" has no more legal actionable grounds than all the other "pledges" and "promises" that politicians make during a campaign that they nearly ALL rescind and renege upon.

Because if vocal promises made during an election had any legal obligation attached, we could sue the crap out of anyone who ever ran for office and make bank.

So this insipid argument is null and void.

What is necessary to discuss is Trump's penchant for calling for bans and punishments on persons, speech and industries that will not kiss his ring and genuflect in his presence.

In this, he is no different than Hillary - and actually more dangerous given his statements.
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #97 on: July 01, 2016, 02:54:57 am »
Really? Is that how you think contracts/pledges work?

If I sign a contractual obligation, and the guy next to me signs one, and then a 3rd guy...but in none of our contracts is there an escape clause based on the other two persons failing to meet their contract's requirements. Yet, somehow in your universe, I just get to decide I'm free because the other fellows failed their obligation.

I don't think so.

Answer the question - Why should Kasich pledge to support Trump after Trump has dropped his pledge to support Kasich?

Major Bill's right - there's been a failure of consideration.   And it's your guy who reneged to bring about that situation.     
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2016, 03:24:22 am »
No contract was drawn up.  No contract was signed by anyone in this campaign.  A verbal "pledge" has no more legal actionable grounds than all the other "pledges" and "promises" that politicians make during a campaign that they nearly ALL rescind and renege upon.

Not actually true.

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"The best way for the Republicans to win is if I win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up. And for that reason, I have signed the pledge," Trump said, holding up the paper. "So I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and for the conservative principles for which it stands."
He added: "We will go out and fight hard, and we will win."
All 17 Republican presidential candidates have now pledged to support the GOP's eventual presidential nominee, Priebus announced Thursday evening in a statement, billing it as a sign of "party unity."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/donald-trump-2016-rnc-pledge-meeting/
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Re: Trump rips GOP rivals who broke pledge; Kasich touts electability
« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2016, 04:04:36 am »
To quote your fellow Trump Militant: We're discussing the oath given by all candidates to support the eventual nominee.

Trump has already vocally said he was not going to abide by his "pledge/vow/oath" if the party was "not nice to me".  In fact he repeated that threat to bolt the party and run third party multiple times.

Trump was the first person to break that pledge himself when he said he was being treated by the GOP unfairly and repeatedly threatened to bolt the party.   In my estimation he voided their pledges himself.  Given Trump's continuous personal attacks and tantrums on those men - I would never 'keep my word' given at a debate when the fruits of the man that followed that debate demonstrate they owe him no courtesy or respect whatsoever.
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A friend of mine years ago used a word for the lowest of low disgusting people and the word was "slime" - as in "He is slimmmme."  Trump lies so much, changes his position on everything by the day and tries to destroy anyone who doesn't kiss his feet, that he fits the requirement to be "slimmmme".  No candidate owes him ANY support.  He threatened to leave the party almost weekly because the party didn't love him enough and his disgusting personal attacks on all the candidates was total "slimmmy" behavior.  If I were a candidate, I would want to stomp him until he was a greasy spot.  He deserves nothing but disdain and and disgust for being a total slime. 

Another person I know uses the word, "spit" a lot.  As in, "Trump is not worth spit."  A truer statement was never said.