Why people like Donald.

[runnerrunner]

I don't hammer men in general.  Just vulgar boors like Trump.

He thinks women were designed to please him, and not to compliment him.  He uses them and tosses them aside when he's done, and he speaks in disgustingly vulgar terms about them.......including as has been mentioned above, his own daughters.

He is clueless as to what your pastor preached about, because he is clueless as to what the Word of God says.

As his deeply and disgustingly amoral life has proven over and over again.

THAT is the point here.

You hammered me. 


And I know lots of guys like that. It's life in America now. They expect women to be perfect. It's what it is. 

[musiclady]

I don't think she meant to indict ALL women with what she said but never-the-less your point is WELL taken!

Clearly not, but the distinction between saying "women did this to themselves" and "LIBERAL women did this to all of us," is paramount in an honest discussion on the subject.

[musiclady]

You hammered me. 


And I know lots of guys like that. It's life in America now. They expect women to be perfect. It's what it is.

Your utter disregard for the respect of women deserved to be hammered.

You, by supporting Trump without discernment, are a perpetrator of the destruction of traditional values, not an advocate.

[WAC]

Nonetheless, it doesn't excuse a man like Trump's total degradation of women.

Trump is a NY City thug....what do you expect? Some other behavior?.... Additionally he's a Narcissist who have very bad luck in marriages and overall relationships are generally strained. ....Time and again people have encouraged others to learn about Trumps Narcissitic ways....and they aren't all bad....he's just not learned the skill set most like him have learned in social and otherwise situations...so you're seeing it in the raw. And that's what needs to be controlled/constrained.

And you're kidding yourself if you think men don't think like Trump to a certain extent....they all do...they've just learned constraint and an appreciation for the woman they have. They are sexual creatures as we know, jokesters and wildy men when they get together among themselves. In fact often it's the ONLY time they can be the men they are.....

So we'll disagree about ens  'Place" in life......but he is running for President which requires great constraint above that of an average man.....he has a long way to go.

[geronl]

Hi, nice to meet you! Great post.

A lot of men do those things. A lot do not too. That does not excuse it. . We need to stop worry about other peoples personal lives and look at what we face. The way he has behaved and treated other candidates in his own party is beyond the pale. I have never seen such vulgar lying in all my life. Attacking a woman based on her looks who was a cancer survivor (Carly), intimating that another candidate is like a child molester (Ben Carson) and then attacking another candidates wife (Ted's), attacking a candidates father with the most made up things ever (Ted's dad killed JFK!), and on and on and on. These things are beyond the pale, these are not redeemable. These are not excusable. Talking about the size of his penis in a nationally televised debate, this is simply too crude and vulgar, a person who does this should never be taken seriously. te and complain when reality strikes. Trump is the biggest whiner ever to run for President.

These things are not forgivable. At all. Ever. For anyone.

[WAC]

He thinks women were designed to please him, and not to compliment him.  He uses them and tosses them aside when he's done, and he speaks in disgustingly vulgar terms about them.......including as has been mentioned above, his own daughters.
 ....his deeply and disgustingly amoral life has proven over and over again.
THAT is the point here.

I'm not here to defend Trump...rather I understand his personality traits, the hurdles and his overall nature...which IO he has little if any foundation in Biblical requirements as alluded to....so why are people expecting the man to meet their moral ideal of what a man should be in the eyes of God.

But do let me say that the man did marry the woman......just as Newt did...and neither will be the first men who's marriage did not work as they wanted and they won't be the last.

Further I have issues with those who think we select a President purely by his moral behavior.......after all God picked King David and he not only took another mans wife but had the man killed so he could marry her....and the Bible is full of like situations which God used these en to accomplish great things.

IO Trump has had around him in this past year more Christian men then likely his entire lifetime, who I have no doubt are praying for him in every way, as we are called to do for our leaders.....but I get the sense Trump is not far from his own life changing event, and it isn't the Presidency........it's that which has brought him to the place he is now.

[Bigun]

Trump is a NY City thug....what do you expect? Some other behavior?.... Additionally he's a Narcissist who have very bad luck in marriages and overall relationships are generally strained. ....Time and again people have encouraged others to learn about Trumps Narcissitic ways....and they aren't all bad....he's just not learned the skill set most like him have learned in social and otherwise situations...so you're seeing it in the raw. And that's what needs to be controlled/constrained.

And you're kidding yourself if you think men don't think like Trump to a certain extent....they all do...they've just learned constraint and an appreciation for the woman they have. They are sexual creatures as we know, jokesters and wildy men when they get together among themselves. In fact often it's the ONLY time they can be the men they are.....

So we'll disagree about ens  'Place" in life......but he is running for President which requires great constraint above that of an average man.....he has a long way to go.

I'll just say that I don't think like Trum, never did and be done with it!

I was going to say a lot more but thought better of it.

[XenaLee]

Roadrunner wants the 'Average Joe" Donald Trump There.  Cuz lord knows what America needs right now is a Lude Crude and Socially unacceptable demented mother puss bucket as President.

Not to mention....that the last thing America needs right now is yet another narcissistic, egotistic, petulant and emotionally 'reactive' president like Obama.  One was enough for my lifetime.  And observing the cult-like following Obama has had...so similar to the Trump adoration, is more than I can stomach.   Now, it's almost certain that America will be inflicted with a President Hillary (shudder).

Thanks, Trumpists!  Thanks a lot.

[roamer_1]

Well I get weary of hearing men get hammered all the time by woman....my gosh if men picked on and jabbed on  woman the way women hand  out so frequently about men...every woman today would have them in court!  And most of those doing so are married woman.

Woman have hammered men for so long men don't know what they are anymore as men.

There is some truth in that - I was raised redneck, with country mores... Men are supposed to defer to women - Lift for them,  protect them, open doors, help them get along, any way you can, especially when she's got a passel of kids to mind. Not just your own kin, but any woman - Not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because you would expect it of other men, to help your wife or mother or daughter get along - and that's really the backbone of polite society - It is and has always been centered on that.

I'll always stop for a woman in distress. I am never bothered by a woman stopping me to render assistance in any case. And it happens a whole lot - I think that women see the hallmarks of Country life on me (read Wranglers, Bailey hat and sh*tkickers), and know they have a good chance of a favorable response.

But every time I volunteer - If I open a door for a lady, or take off my hat in her presence, or knock a dude down for her for copping a feel or being overly vulgar - I almost cringe at it anymore, not knowing if she will appreciate it, or if I will then get a 1/2 hour b*tch session on what a misogynist troglodyte I am... It can be a caution, and it is very confusing.

[WAC]

Except it wasn't conservative women who did that.  It was liberals.....  And I was part of the 60's.......

No it was Conservative woman as well.....and also conservative woman as well who voted for Abortion. Just because one is a conservative does not mean they will always say or do the right things any more than someone who is a Christian... We are a fallen race indeed. And the only difference between a Christian and one who is not is one is redeemed and the other not... for "all have fallen short"....not just some.

[runnerrunner]

Your utter disregard for the respect of women deserved to be hammered.

You, by supporting Trump without discernment, are a perpetrator of the destruction of traditional values, not an advocate.

Tough call here. I could say respect is earned but you would say all people deserve respect, and I don't disagree with that. But still Men like trump for a reason.

Trump is a NY City thug....what do you expect? Some other behavior?.... Additionally he's a Narcissist who have very bad luck in marriages and overall relationships are generally strained. ....Time and again people have encouraged others to learn about Trumps Narcissitic ways....and they aren't all bad....he's just not learned the skill set most like him have learned in social and otherwise situations...so you're seeing it in the raw. And that's what needs to be controlled/constrained.

And you're kidding yourself if you think men don't think like Trump to a certain extent....they all do...they've just learned constraint and an appreciation for the woman they have. They are sexual creatures as we know, jokesters and wildy men when they get together among themselves. In fact often it's the ONLY time they can be the men they are.....

So we'll disagree about ens  'Place" in life......but he is running for President which requires great constraint above that of an average man.....he has a long way to go.

This.

[roamer_1]

But lots of republicans have done that. Newt.

Need I reiterate? I don't care HOW many do it or who. It ain't what WE do, and it ain't right.

Entirely possible for a man to be different in his public and personal lives.

No, one who doesn't keep his word, doesn't keep his word. Plain and simple. No matter when or where.
There are exceptions, and things can go wrong - But one who serially does not respect his vows is not worthy of trust.

There was a time, not too very long ago, when a man's word was his bond. Still that way, whether you know it or not.

[WAC]

There is some truth in that - I was raised redneck, with country mores... Men are supposed to defer to women - Lift for them,  protect them, open doors, help them get along, any way you can, especially when she's got a passel of kids to mind. Not just your own kin, but any woman - Not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because you would expect it of other men, to help your wife or mother or daughter get along - and that's really the backbone of polite society - It is and has always been centered on that.

I'll always stop for a woman in distress. I am never bothered by a woman stopping me to render assistance in any case. And it happens a whole lot - I think that women see the hallmarks of Country life on me (read Wranglers, Bailey hat and sh*tkickers), and know they have a good chance of a favorable response.

But every time I volunteer - If I open a door for a lady, or take off my hat in her presence, or knock a dude down for her for copping a feel or being overly vulgar - I almost cringe at it anymore, not knowing if she will appreciate it, or if I will then get a 1/2 hour b*tch session on what a misogynist troglodyte I am... It can be a caution, and it is very confusing.

Yes indeed....it was a wonderful thing to be a woman when men showed that respect....I loved it and still do.....But let me say it's not only men who are confused.....I go to lunch with a man and I'm not sure if I should offer to pay or not......and more than once I've had a door slam into my face or stood for a moment feeling like a fool while he slid into his car seat. I've learned to ask men to help where they once would have done so quite naturally...I miss the spontanity of men who seem to quite naturally know when to step in.

And let me say that young kids today need to be taught such....I watched a couple lads about 12 or 14 when asked to help me lift a heavy load I couldn't manage myself.....they weren' real excited about this interrupting their walk but after I thanked them so , mentioning of course their strong shoulders etc. you should have seen their chests puff out! They were "PROUD! of themselves.

[WAC]

I'll just say that I don't think like Trum, never did and be done with it!
I was going to say a lot more but thought better of it.

Well I suspect you're not a NY City thug either.  Which goes to the heart of who Trump is....regardless he was a thug from his school years and that transfered over to how he does business....exactly as his father was. He's a man all caught up in "appearances" and that's not going to change either. He's climbed the social and political landscape for any years to get where he wants to be....like his style or not he's managed to reach what he wanted...even if he left a trail of debrie and loses to others along the way. That's Trump and is how he is.

BTW I have a very sticky "M" key I can't get working right so hopefully folks will overlook til I get it fixed. Sometimes it works, others not.

[Wingnut]

Tough call here. I could say respect is earned but you would say all people deserve respect, and I don't disagree with that. But still Men like trump for a reason.

Trump is a knuckle dragging neanderthal.  Based on how he treats people he would be more at home slinging poop with his relatives in great ape enclosure at the Cincinatti Zoo.

[musiclady]

I'm not here to defend Trump...rather I understand his personality traits, the hurdles and his overall nature...which IO he has little if any foundation in Biblical requirements as alluded to....so why are people expecting the man to meet their moral ideal of what a man should be in the eyes of God.

But do let me say that the man did marry the woman......just as Newt did...and neither will be the first men who's marriage did not work as they wanted and they won't be the last.

Further I have issues with those who think we select a President purely by his moral behavior.......after all God picked King David and he not only took another mans wife but had the man killed so he could marry her....and the Bible is full of like situations which God used these en to accomplish great things.

IO Trump has had around him in this past year more Christian men then likely his entire lifetime, who I have no doubt are praying for him in every way, as we are called to do for our leaders.....but I get the sense Trump is not far from his own life changing event, and it isn't the Presidency........it's that which has brought him to the place he is now.

Apparently you ARE here to defend Trump.  And interestingly enough, I've seen all your arguments in his favor before, and determined that they are not valid.  (The comparison with King David is ludicrous.  David was repentant.  Trump is defiant).

I'm glad you are encouraged that Trump is "not far from" something that will change his life, from an amoral braggart to a humble Christian. 

We can all pray for that, and should.  But to elect him President in November is sheer idiocy.

[musiclady]

No it was Conservative woman as well.....and also conservative woman as well who voted for Abortion. Just because one is a conservative does not mean they will always say or do the right things any more than someone who is a Christian... We are a fallen race indeed. And the only difference between a Christian and one who is not is one is redeemed and the other not... for "all have fallen short"....not just some.

I don't know how old you are, or what you have read, but I was a Conservative Christian woman in the 60's, and we most certainly did NOT create the sexual revolution that has destroyed our culture.

OBVIOUSLY, we are all sinners.  But unless you think that having a woman be able to go to Medical School without being abused in order to become a doctor, or unless you defend women's actually receiving less pay because they were women (that really used to happen, WAC), then we are not talking about sin here.

Treating women with respect is not a leftist idea.  It is a Christian Conservative idea, based, as I said above, on the example of Jesus Christ.  (The boy who started this thread dismissed that as leftist, but it's not.  It's TRUTH.  Jesus treated women as no other man had ever treated them.  Respect for women is Christian).

[musiclady]

Trump is a NY City thug....what do you expect? Some other behavior?.... Additionally he's a Narcissist who have very bad luck in marriages and overall relationships are generally strained. ....Time and again people have encouraged others to learn about Trumps Narcissitic ways....and they aren't all bad....he's just not learned the skill set most like him have learned in social and otherwise situations...so you're seeing it in the raw. And that's what needs to be controlled/constrained.

And you're kidding yourself if you think men don't think like Trump to a certain extent....they all do...they've just learned constraint and an appreciation for the woman they have. They are sexual creatures as we know, jokesters and wildy men when they get together among themselves. In fact often it's the ONLY time they can be the men they are.....

So we'll disagree about ens  'Place" in life......but he is running for President which requires great constraint above that of an average man.....he has a long way to go.

My husband doesn't think a THING like Trump.  I know that for a fact because I have been married to him for 40 years.

He views women as equals; spiritually, intellectually and in every way that counts.

That is not to say that we BOTH don't say "Vive la difference!"   We DO.  ^-^

But I see in your post, excusing inexcusable behavior because of his being a man (boys will be boys......REALLY??) and because of where he was born (no decent men were born in NYC......... ever??  C'mon!)

You're making excuses for Trump's disgusting behavior is sad.  Even most of the men on this forum don't believe that women should be treated with total disregard and disdain as Trump does.

NO more narcissists in the WH.  NO Trump!

[musiclady]

Need I reiterate? I don't care HOW many do it or who. It ain't what WE do, and it ain't right.

No, one who doesn't keep his word, doesn't keep his word. Plain and simple. No matter when or where.
There are exceptions, and things can go wrong - But one who serially does not respect his vows is not worthy of trust.

There was a time, not too very long ago, when a man's word was his bond. Still that way, whether you know it or not.

Thank you for repeating this, roamer.

Trump's serial betrayal of the most important vows he ever made IS important.

He cannot be trusted.

[runnerrunner]

Need I reiterate? I don't care HOW many do it or who. It ain't what WE do, and it ain't right.

No, one who doesn't keep his word, doesn't keep his word. Plain and simple. No matter when or where.
There are exceptions, and things can go wrong - But one who serially does not respect his vows is not worthy of trust.

There was a time, not too very long ago, when a man's word was his bond. Still that way, whether you know it or not.

You're not wrong here, but that was years ago. Things have changed in america. Not for the better.

I don't know how old you are, or what you have read, but I was a Conservative Christian woman in the 60's, and we most certainly did NOT create the sexual revolution that has destroyed our culture.

OBVIOUSLY, we are all sinners.  But unless you think that having a woman be able to go to Medical School without being abused in order to become a doctor, or unless you defend women's actually receiving less pay because they were women (that really used to happen, WAC), then we are not talking about sin here.

Treating women with respect is not a leftist idea.  It is a Christian Conservative idea, based, as I said above, on the example of Jesus Christ.  (The boy who started this thread dismissed that as leftist, but it's not.  It's TRUTH.  Jesus treated women as no other man had ever treated them.  Respect for women is Christian).

Some people feel it's leftist, that's all I said.

[musiclady]

I'll just say that I don't think like Trum, never did and be done with it!

I was going to say a lot more but thought better of it.

 

It's OBVIOUS you don't think like Trump, Bigun.  And I find the accusation that all men are as base and ugly as he is, highly offensive.

I know better.  There's not a man in my extended family, nor my close acquaintances who is so base and disgusting, and I raised two fine sons who are absolutely nauseated by the guy.

Talk about unfair!  How unfair is it to presume all men are creepy and dirty like Trump when it is CLEAR that you are not.

[roamer_1]

You're not wrong here, but that was years ago. Things have changed in america. Not for the better.

No they haven't. Nothing changes. What makes a man a man doesn't stop being true.

[musiclady]

 Some people feel it's leftist, that's all I said.

So??  Some people "feel" that men didn't set foot on the moon too.  Do you believe everything some crackpots "feel?"

Read the New Testament yourself.  See how Jesus treated every woman he encountered.  There's nothing leftist about the TRUTH.

LEARN.

[Bigun]

Well I suspect you're not a NY City thug either.  Which goes to the heart of who Trump is....regardless he was a thug from his school years and that transfered over to how he does business....exactly as his father was. He's a man all caught up in "appearances" and that's not going to change either. He's climbed the social and political landscape for any years to get where he wants to be....like his style or not he's managed to reach what he wanted...even if he left a trail of debrie and loses to others along the way. That's Trump and is how he is.

BTW I have a very sticky "M" key I can't get working right so hopefully folks will overlook til I get it fixed. Sometimes it works, others not.

I just have big fat fingers that don't always do what I tell them to and I'm in to big of a hurry to proof read what they type!

[runnerrunner]

No they haven't. Nothing changes. What makes a man a man doesn't stop being true.

I disagree. American has clearly changed from your childhood. This is a greedy country where we look out for number one now.