Donald Trump, a true conservative leader.

[geronl]

Trump doesn't have plans or positions.

We all know he is a dyed in the wool liberal.

[Mesaclone]

Weak answers. We've all wanted an outsider/non-politician...and now you want to bit** that he doesn't have a long political record. Self defeating, contradictory baloney from the NeverTrump side. Being as he is NOT a politician, and you can't reasonably compare business practices to politics...as they are apples and oranges...the rational thing to do is to compare his positions to a recent GOP president...heck, compare to the two most recent GOP presidents if you'd like. And in that comparison, as the article makes quite clear, Trump's positions are decidedly MORE conservative. Argue all you want about not liking his character...which is a purely subjective exercise resulting only in your own opinion based on impression. On the issues, he is squarely in the conservative center.

But the point of the article is analyzing his conservatism on ISSUES...and in such an analysis he fares very well. None of you have had an aswer for the argument given in the article, so...as always...you resort to strawmen about how you "feel" about his personality or tactics. That's an argument that can be made, but it is not THIS argument and is another weak attempt at avoiding the actual topic...so if you have no refutation of the actual argument regarding his positions on the key issues...than the argument stands unrefuted. A rational person would see the significance of that....so lets watch and see who is rational, and who is simply going on "feelings". A very liberal approach, indeed, and unworthy of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

[Mesaclone]

Trump doesn't have plans or positions.

We all know he is a dyed in the wool liberal.

Kinda like you don't have rationale or citations of any kind supporting your assertion. Making, of course, your statement entirely devoid of force, relevance or even basic reasoning. Other than that, you've done a great job exemplifying the NeverTrump arguments and methodology.

[musiclady]

The title made me laugh.

Lying writ large.

[sinkspur]

Weak answers. We've all wanted an outsider/non-politician...and now you want to bit** that he doesn't have a long political record. Self defeating, contradictory baloney from the NeverTrump side. Being as he is NOT a politician, and you can't compare business practices to poliics...as they are apples and oranges...the rational thing to do is to compare his positions to a recent GOP president...heck, compare to the two most recent GOP presidents if you'd like. And in that comparison, as the article makes quite clear, Trump's positions are decidedly MORE conservative. Argue all you want about not liking his character...which is a purely subjective exercise resulting only in your own opinion based on impression.

But the point of the article is analyzing his conservatism on ISSUES...and in such an analysis he fares very well. None of you have had an aswer for the argument given in the article, so you resort back to strawmen about how you "feel" about his personality or tactics. That's an argument that can be made, but it is not THIS argument and is another weak attempt at avoiding the actual topic...so if you have no refutation of the actual argument regarding his positions on the key issues...than the argument stands unrefuted. A rational person would see the significance of that....so lets watch and see who is rational, and who is simply going on "feelings". A very liberal approach, indeed, and unworthy of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

His positions?

Like the wall?  Mexico will never pay for it and it likely won't be built.

Tariffs?  Congress will never support raising taxes on Americans by 45%.  Dead in the water.

Tax cuts?  With a resulting $10 trillion added  the debt?  Dead in the water.

Foreign policy?  Ban all Muslims?  Dead in the water.

You see where this is going, don't you?  He certainly has policies, but they are fantasies. They're red meat for his bubbas but even he knows they have zero chance of being enacted.

[musiclady]

Screw his policy positions. They don't mean a thing. What matters is that he has lived his life and run his businesses like the flaming liberal that he is.

That's the bottom line.

Trump is a liberal down to the marrow and his life proves it.

His lies prove that he has no "policies"...... he makes things up to impress the small number of voters who are naïve enough to believe a word he says.

[sinkspur]

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Donald Trump: "You can never give a choker a second chance."

Married three times, bankrupt four times.  Let's remember this if he tries to run again in 2020.

[geronl]

Kinda like you don't have rationale or citations of any kind supporting your assertion. Making, of course, your statement entirely devoid of force, relevance or even basic reasoning. Other than that, you've done a great job exemplifying the NeverTrump arguments and methodology.

He's never led any conservatism. He has none.

He supports politicians like Kamala Harris, Charlie Rangel, deBlasio, Rahm Emanuel, McAuliffe, Hillary etc etc

I wonder if he led any conservatism on Epstein's Island....

Planned Parenthood, Men in the Girls Bathroom on and on and on

[Mesaclone]

His positions?

Like the wall?  Mexico will never pay for it and it likely won't be built. They will and won't have a choice as it will come directly from payments they are already required to make under current trade agreements

Tariffs?  Congress will never support raising taxes on Americans by 45%.  Dead in the water.Trump is calling for no such thing, but he will take poorly written trade deals and ensure they are re-written to allow US companies free access to foreign markets.

Tax cuts?  With a resulting $10 trillion added  the debt?  Dead in the water. If you oppose middle class tax cuts, you should just go ahead and register as a Democrat...such cuts are what gets the economy growing again, and growth with spending discipline is the only way to face the debt.

Foreign policy?  Ban all Muslims?  Dead in the water.A temp ban on Muslims from high terror regions, as a response to deliberate ISIS and AQI tactic of hiding terrorists amongst regular refugees. Hardly a ban on all Muslims, and not effecting a single US muslim citizen.

You see where this is going, don't you?  He certainly has policies, but they are fantasies. They're red meat for his bubbas but even he knows they have zero chance of being enacted. The only fantasy is your perception of his policies, and in every case you cited you got the policy he actually favors...entirely wrong. So given that you evidently don't know or understand the actual policies in question, I suppose its unsurprising you would oppose them. Problem is, the things you've stated that you oppose are not his policies...they are a figment of the imaginations of Democratic operatives, and you are simply repeating their incorrect talking points.

You spout little more than left wing talking points...why pretend to be conservative if you're just going to be spouting Hillary's position points? None of what you've stated goes whatsoever to the actual positions Mr Trump has taken on issues.

[Mesaclone]

He's never led any conservatism. He has none.

He supports politicians like Kamala Harris, Charlie Rangel, deBlasio, Rahm Emanuel, McAuliffe, Hillary etc etc

I wonder if he led any conservatism on Epstein's Island....

Planned Parenthood, Men in the Girls Bathroom on and on and on

Those are actually your arguments?
Yikes.

[musiclady]

Kinda like you don't have rationale or citations of any kind supporting your assertion. Making, of course, your statement entirely devoid of force, relevance or even basic reasoning. Other than that, you've done a great job exemplifying the NeverTrump arguments and methodology.

Typical, Mesaclone.

The poster talks about Trump (truthfully) and you go for the ad hominem against the poster who speaks the truth.

There is NO Conservatism in Donald Trump.  The title is a lie.

[Mesaclone]

That's the bottom line.

Trump is a liberal down to the marrow and his life proves it.

His lies prove that he has no "policies"...... he makes things up to impress the small number of voters who are naïve enough to believe a word he says.

That "small number" of voters would refer to the 86% of GOP'rs supporting him in the general election...and the majority of Independents also backing him. Right?

And how do "lies" prove he has no policies. Every politician lies, and yet they all have policy positions. Please explain, as your statement seems nonsensical and I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[sinkspur]

You spout little more than left wing talking points...why pretend to be conservative if you're just going to be spouting Hillary's position points? None of what you've stated goes whatsoever to the actual positions Mr Trump has taken on issues.

LOL!  I took his policies off his website.  So now he's not for banning ALL Muslims, as he said in December?   And you're OK with $10 trillion added to the debt?

Trump cannot enact ANY of his policies without Congress, and even a Republican Congress (he would likely have a Democrat Senate) will hack his proposals to pieces.  So I don't take anything he says seriously, since he's already signaled he'll change if he's forced to.

[Mesaclone]

Typical, Mesaclone.

The poster talks about Trump (truthfully) and you go for the ad hominem against the poster who speaks the truth.

There is NO Conservatism in Donald Trump.  The title is a lie.

I defined his post, not himself. An ad hominem attack would be along the lines of "typical Mesaclone".

See the difference, one argues against what is said...the other targets the person specifically. You should also note the rampant hypocrisy inherent in your reply here.

[Mesaclone]

LOL!  I took his policies off his website.  So now he's not for banning ALL Muslims, as he said in December?   And you're OK with $10 trillion added to the debt? No, you took policies off his website and reshaped them to the point of putting forward fictional policies that you hope to knock down...you know...strawmen. I'm OK with jumpstarting the economy and growing it...that is what you fight the debt with. The 10 billion figure is a Dem talking point and I've watched 50 different economists give 50 different forecasts on every single potential economic plan...so I don't lend much interest in economists who innately oppose supply-demand economics.

Trump cannot enact ANY of his policies without Congress, and even a Republican Congress (he would likely have a Democrat Senate) will hack his proposals to pieces.  So I don't take anything he says seriously, since he's already signaled he'll change if he's forced to. Every president will change if they have to...its how Bill Clinton brought us welfare reform (thanks to his GOP congress)...so your point here is empty of relevance. Further, he will work WITH a GOP congress to enact policy, not in opposition to it..neither can get what they want without cooperation, and so they will.

Still waiting for anything supporting your argument that he's less conservative than his GOP predecessors...perhaps if you actually had read the linked article you'd have SOME clue.

[RedHead]

Like the wall?  Mexico will never pay for it and it likely won't be built. They will and won't have a choice as it will come directly from payments they are already required to make under current trade agreements

What payments are those?



Tariffs?  Congress will never support raising taxes on Americans by 45%.  Dead in the water.  Trump is calling for no such thing, but he will take poorly written trade deals and ensure they are re-written to allow US companies free access to foreign markets.

Actually he is.  He has talked several times about placing tariffs on goods that Ford or Carrier bring into the U.S.  But how is he going to rewrite the trade agreements if the other side doesn't want to rewrite them?



Tax cuts?  With a resulting $10 trillion added  the debt?  Dead in the water. If you oppose middle class tax cuts, you should just go ahead and register as a Democrat...such cuts are what gets the economy growing again, and growth with spending discipline is the only way to face the debt.

And yet Trump has shown no interest in spending discipline.  He has advocated making no changes to Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.  He has advocated increased spending on infrastructure and defense.  He has proposed no specific spending cuts whatsoever.

Foreign policy?  Ban all Muslims?  Dead in the water. A temp ban on Muslims from high terror regions, as a response to deliberate ISIS and AQI tactic of hiding terrorists amongst regular refugees. Hardly a ban on all Muslims, and not effecting a single US muslim citizen.[/b]

That is not what Trump has proposed.  His proposal is for a complete and total ban on Muslims entering the country until such time as the government can figure out what's going on.  Supposedly it's temporary, but he has never defined what "figure out what's going on" means so it could be permanent.  But it is a ban on all Muslims.  It does not apply to "high terror regions".  It applies to all foreign Muslims and not just refugees.  And Trump has been inconsistent on whether it will apply to U.S. Muslims or not.

You see where this is going, don't you?  He certainly has policies, but they are fantasies. They're red meat for his bubbas but even he knows they have zero chance of being enacted. The only fantasy is your perception of his policies, and in every case you cited you got the policy he actually favors...entirely wrong. So given that you evidently don't know or understand the actual policies in question, I suppose its unsurprising you would oppose them. Problem is, the things you've stated that you oppose are not his policies...they are a figment of the imaginations of Democratic operatives, and you are simply repeating their incorrect talking points.
[/b]

The policies come from Trump's own mouth and his own website.  What is wrong in the spin his supporters place on what he says and the constant "well what he really meant was..." 

[Stosh]

"Trump's positions are decidedly MORE conservative"   

That depends on which positions, and which day (or time of day)

The Wall or Touchback Amensty
Pro-Life or Planned Parenthood is great
Tax breaks or Tax hikes
Freedom of speech or suing media for libel
Tariffs or Job creation, less government interferance
and on, and on....

[bolobaby]

" Reagan was the first remarried divorcee to be elected president."

Comparing Trump's relationships in ANY way to Reagan and Nancy's true, classy love is disgusting. Trump is a serial philanderer who brags "I get more pu$$y than you do" every chance he can get. He's a crass act.

Nancy and Ronnie were a CLASS act.

Disgusting.

[RedHead]

No, you took policies off his website and reshaped them to the point of putting forward fictional policies that you hope to knock down...you know...strawmen. I'm OK with jumpstarting the economy and growing it...that is what you fight the debt with. The 10 billion figure is a Dem talking point and I've watched 50 different economists give 50 different forecasts on every single potential economic plan...so I don't lend much interest in economists who innately oppose supply-demand economics.

That $10 trillion estimate comes from the Tax Foundation and Tax Policy Center, both non-partisan think tanks.  And that is a $10 trillion reduction in revenue so they don't agree with your pie-in-the-sky position that Trump's plan will grow the economy and raise revenue.  And since Trump has proposed no offsetting spending cuts then that $10 trillion adds to the deficit.

So I don't take anything he says seriously, since he's already signaled he'll change if he's forced to.

So you don't know what he really stands for.  You don't know what he'll try to get enacted.  You don't know what he will compromise on.  But you're convinced Trump is the best man for the job?  Makes perfect sense to me </sarcasm>

[musiclady]

I defined his post, not himself. An ad hominem attack would be along the lines of "typical Mesaclone".

See the difference, one argues against what is said...the other targets the person specifically. You should also note the rampant hypocrisy inherent in your reply here.

The fact that you don't see your blatant ad hominems against geronl and myself as blatant ad hominems says all that needs to be said about you.

Rules for me, but not for thee.......

But I do enjoy interacting with a constructed out of thin air universe, such as you choose to dwell in.

btw, Trump is a liberal.  He has always been a liberal.  And he always will be.

The title is an outright lie.

[bolobaby]

"They will and won't have a choice as it will come directly from payments they are already required to make under current trade agreements."

I love how deeply rooted in fantasy a statement like this is. Think about it: Trump intends to alter the way funds flow through some unnamed trade agreement such that a massive wall will get constructed. Yet, while Trump alters the way the deal operates, the Mexicans are supposed to just sit there and take it, right? They can't alter their end of the bargain unilaterally the way TRUMP can! Only Mein Trump can unilaterally change the way funds are managed in trade deals.

Sheesh.

*nudge, nudge* Wake up... it's time to go to school. *nudge*

[geronl]

Trump could not even define conservatism

[INVAR]

Weak answers. We've all wanted an outsider/non-politician

No, there's no 'WE' there.  WE Constitutional Conservatives wanted a Constitutional Conservative that was not corrupted or part of the Establishment cabal.   We did not have a non-politician as a pre-requisite.

You chose a liberal Democrat Leftist to run as your nominee simply because he is seen by you as 'an outsider' when he has been a lobbyist/donor/insider for DECADES.  Hell, your boy funded, endorsed and voted for Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor not even 3 years ago, and just 3 weeks ago endorsed a known pro-abortion/pro Amnesty/Pro-Big government charlatan Ellmers for Congress.

...and now you want to bit** that he doesn't have a long political record.

No. We're laughing at the fact you people insist Trump is a Conservative when he has a long, very long record of being a liberal leftist supporting Democrats, Hildabeast and Communists for high office.

the rational thing to do is to compare his positions to a recent GOP president

That would be stupid.  Trump himself said he has no policies or positions, only suggestions.  Suggestions that can be changed whenever they need to be changed.  Or as Trump himself said in February - and I quote:
"I'm Capable of Changing To Anything I Want to Change To".

Trump's positions are decidedly MORE conservative.

Right, that is why Trump said he "has a lot in common with Bernie Sanders on trade" positions, because Trump is "decidedly MORE Conservative' than Bernie's Democratic Socialism.  You make me laugh a whole lot.  You truly do.

Argue all you want about not liking his character...which is a purely subjective exercise resulting only in your own opinion based on impression.

Let me translate your newspeak for the uninitiated: Who are you going to believe: your own lying eyes and ears, or what we Trump supporters spin for you?

On the issues, he is squarely in the conservative center.

Because supporting perverts using women's rest rooms and showers is sooooooo Conservative. 
Because bashing the governor of Wisconsin for not raising taxes to meet government shortfalls is sooooo Conservative.
Because agreeing with Bernie Sanders on Trade is sooooo Conservative.
Because advocating a single-payer healthcare system to replace ObamaCare is soooooooo Conservative. 
Because taxing the American consumer 45-50% on everything coming from China is sooooo Conservative.
Because bashing Ronald's Reagan's tax cuts as being "catastrophic" for the country is sooooooo Conservative.
Because forcing American companies to "make their damn products here" or face punitive fines and taxation is soooooo Conservative.   
Because raising taxes on the wealthy ("I do, I do, including myself.  I do") is soooooo Conservative.
Because endorsing a pro-Amnesty/pro-Abortion liberal for congress is sooooo Conservative.

But the point of the article is analyzing his conservatism on ISSUES

And there is not ONE Conservative issue Trump has any fruits of holding beyond a *suggestion* that you people have to go to great lengths to twist and spin to fit onto the image of Trump.

A rational person would see the significance of that....so lets watch and see who is rational, and who is simply going on "feelings". A very liberal approach, indeed, and unworthy of anyone calling themselves a conservative.

As usual, you are projecting and insulting at the same exact time.    According to you people ONLY someone voting for Trump can be considered 'rational'.  Then you accuse us of being 'liberal' and 'unworthy' to call ourselves Conservative when you guys are supporting a vulgar megalomaniac with a history and record of not only voting for Democrats his whole life, but funding them, their agendas and endorsing known Communists and pro-Amensty/pro-Abortion Leftists for office.

[WAC]

I couldn't stop laughing that any would consider Trump a conservative! Oh he says he likes traditional marriage even though he can't back it up with his behavior of course. ..three times no less!

But aside from the morality issues.... if his History didn't show otherwise he's anything but a conservative one might give him the benefit of the doubt...but he has no history to show he is one...rather that he "likes" what he likes depending on the winds of change. Nothing is settled in this man therefore he has no foundation. Yet his history reflects he's a liberal far and above anything else.
 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Government bailouts. Shorting contractors. Mob ties and depending on swill like Soros to save his sorry behind.

So, in other words, you've no idea who Donald Trump is and what he proposes.

Got it.  Thanks for your candor.