BREAKING: Kristol Eyes Conservative Lawyer David French for Independent Presidential Run

[Maj. Bill Martin]

No, the message is jusy too garbled.  Everyone has different opinions on why candidates lost.  Did Romney lose because he wasn't conservative enough, or because his 47% remark and self-deportation were though to be too conservative?

The point isn't which explanation is ultimately more correct - the point is that different people have different opinions, so the "message" is garbled.  And it is alwaya like that.

And my FR experience is different from yours - while most people ended up accepting Romney as the nominee, his core supporters were not the core Trump supporters of today.

[Norm Lenhart]

Is that what you tell yourself? Really.

Now its true that many of us are tired of extreme "social" conservatives...and the whole bible thumping business. But we are as conservative as anyone in the party, in fact we are generally the original Tea Party types before the church types coopted the movement. We want strong defense, small government, strong borders and an end to social welfare programs as we know them. We are not anti-Christian, but we sure as heck don't want to be preached at nor have litmus tests of religion for our candidates. That IS conservatism, and that is the positions Mr. Trump advocates. Its Reagan-esque if anything.

Social conservatism, and so called 'bible thumping' are a core of conservative principle. The mere fact you are sick of it pretty much proves you are no more conservative than Anitia Sarkesian. And spare me the Reagan comparisons. He warned specifically against turning the party over to people of your belief structure.

[roamer_1]

Who is the "y'all" here?  Because i suspect the folks who pushed for McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 are not, generally, the same who pushed for Trump in 2016.

Oddly enough, if FR is any indication, yes, they are. The same rah-rah Republican, anti-Christian, pragmatism pimping crew. Some noteale exceptions, but then, there always are.

And, btw, I stand with the very same liberty loving Civil Libertarians, Christians, and hard core Reaganites that I always have stood with... Principled Conservatives, all. 

There is no collective GOP mindset or hivemind to "get a message" regarding nominees.  It's ordinary voters who really determine each nominee in each electiin, independently of the last.   They don't carry collective guilt/memory forward to future elections.

Of course there is a hive mind mentality. In fact, the pied-piper-like effect that Trump has on his followers approaches hypnosis.

[roamer_1]

I hope it also means that he can not only conceive an articulate thought, but also convey it in a reasonable manner using words with more than two syllables.

Wouldn't that be nice?

[roamer_1]

Never thought you wouldn't do so...and honestly don't care if you do.

Great

The Christian right [...] are supporting Trump [...]

Nope.

In fact, Trump is now at levels of GOP support similar to where Romney was in 2012.

Wheeeee!

Everyone has gotten the message, there's a few on the far right who will only vote for an extreme right candidate. Its pretty much an axiom...you guys prefer to let Hillary win then have less than pure conservative. Smart.

Less than pure? The last two clowns have been outright liberals, and McCain't was a declared enemy of Conservatives. How is that merely 'less than pure'?

[ABX]

Why are the Trump supporters trying to spoil French's chance to beat Hillary? A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. If you oppose French, you have to support Hillary.

Jump on the French Roll you anti Frenchers.

[wolfcreek]

Strange that people are laughing at Kristol for trying to get an actual conservative in the race, but nobody's laughing that Trump might get the nuclear codes.

You guys are starting to sound like Liberals with your Leftist talking points and fear-mongering rhetoric.

I'd be ashamed.

[wolfcreek]

Social conservatism, and so called 'bible thumping' are a core of conservative principle. The mere fact you are sick of it pretty much proves you are no more conservative than Anitia Sarkesian. And spare me the Reagan comparisons. He warned specifically against turning the party over to people of your belief structure.

If you're referring to the Republican party, it turned itself over to the dark, Progressive, Global Oligarchy side long ago. Holding on to that status quo and grasping at straws [or sitting on our thumbs] is why we are in this predicament.

RIP GOP

[Jazzhead]

You guys are starting to sound like Liberals with your Leftist talking point.

I'd be ashamed.

It's not just liberals who fear a madman as President.   

Trump said the other day that he "won't change".   He'll keep on trashing anyone who wounds his precious ego.   I don't want that sort of vindictiveness in a President.   He's temperamentally unfit.    You should be ashamed of yourself for ignoring what you KNOW to be true about this man's flaws.   

[DCPatriot]

You guys are starting to sound like Liberals with your Leftist talking point.

I'd be ashamed.

Impossible.  They have gone dark. 

[wolfcreek]

It's not just liberals who fear a madman as President.   

Trump said the other day that he "won't change".   He'll keep on trashing anyone who wounds his precious ego.   I don't want that sort of vindictiveness in a President.   He's temperamentally unfit.    You should be ashamed of yourself for ignoring what you KNOW to be true about this man's flaws.

Everyone has flaws and we are all sinners.

Trump has tapped into what most of us consider the real issues. The economy, jobs, crappy deals with competitors, creeping Sharia, unfettered illegal immigration, wasting our natural and physical resources, all the broken promises,  etc

Fing A I'm going to support that.

[Sanguine]

It's not just liberals who fear a madman as President.   

Trump said the other day that he "won't change".   He'll keep on trashing anyone who wounds his precious ego.   I don't want that sort of vindictiveness in a President.   He's temperamentally unfit.    You should be ashamed of yourself for ignoring what you KNOW to be true about this man's flaws.

Jazz, you and I frequently disagree, but you are right on target with that comment!

[TomSea]

Everyone has flaws and we are all sinners.

Trump has tapped into what most of us consider the real issues. The economy, jobs, crappy deals with competitors, creeping Sharia, unfettered illegal immigration, wasting our natural and physical resources, all the broken promises,  etc

Fing A I'm going to support that.

That's the correct answer.

[Jazzhead]

Everyone has flaws and we are all sinners.

What is this moral relativism crap?   That's no defense to your willful blindness to Trump's egregious and disqualifying flaws.   

Trump has tapped into what most of us consider the real issues. The economy, jobs, crappy deals with competitors, creeping Sharia, unfettered illegal immigration, wasting our natural and physical resources, all the broken promises,  etc

Fing A I'm going to support that.

It's not his "issues" I object to.   (Well,  I disagree with a lot of Trump's apparent positions, but that's not why I can't support him as the nominee.)   It's the man himself.   You ignore the menace his terrible temper and megalomania represents.   The man's drunk on power and his own ego.   Putting him in charge of the nuke codes is reckless and stupid.    I don't give a hiss that the alternative is Hillary Clinton.   The danger she represents isn't existential;  Trump's is.

Fing A you should be ashamed of yourself.  There is no excuse for willful blindness.     

[roamer_1]

Jump on the French Roll you anti Frenchers.

  Let's ROLL!!! 

[Wingnut]

Impossible.  They have gone dark.

Yes! 

[Liberty Tree Dr]

In reading Mr. French's bio, it appears he leaves out that he a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and her agenda for the United States.  I'm inferring this given he's agreed to help make sure Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency in 2016 by splitting the vote on the political Right. 

[roamer_1]

In reading Mr. French's bio, it appears he leaves out that he a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and her agenda for the United States.  I'm inferring this given he's agreed to help make sure Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency in 2016 by splitting the vote on the political Right.

Total crap. Trump is what split the vote on the right. If you don't want Clinton, then dump trump and support someone we can all vote for.

[aligncare]

In reading Mr. French's bio, it appears he leaves out that he a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and her agenda for the United States.  I'm inferring this given he's agreed to help make sure Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency in 2016 by splitting the vote on the political Right.

You must be new around here. I can tell because you possess uncharacteristically sharp reasoning abilities.

A vote for any third party from the right is a vote for the democrat. Nice to see people here with a firm grasp on reality.

[catfish1957]

In reading Mr. French's bio, it appears he leaves out that he a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and her agenda for the United States.  I'm inferring this given he's agreed to help make sure Hillary Clinton wins the Presidency in 2016 by splitting the vote on the political Right.

Been here a month, I see the first troll.  Are you a FR double-naught spy?   

A NR writer supporting Clinton?   HA HA HA HA HA......Nice try.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

In reading Mr. French's bio, it appears he leaves out that he a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and her agenda for the United States.

You need to back that up somehow. As catfish pointed out, he's a NR writer.

[Mechanicos]

“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. “ David French
A confirmed Trump hater

[Mechanicos]

You need to back that up somehow. As catfish pointed out, he's a NR writer.

NR lost any respect it had

[Liberty Tree Dr]

The plan isn't as ridiculous as it appears at first glance.  The first plan was/is to keep Trump from winning on the first ballot.  That plan probably won't work.  The back-up plan is this one, or one similar.  It's not to win an election, but if Trump and Hillary are close which seems likely, it is to try to take enough electoral votes from a handful of states to throw the election into the House, where Trump simply won't get the nod.

No conservative third party candidate is going to take electoral votes from Hillary.  Such a candidate will dilute the Rightest vote such at States that could have gone to the R column will go D. 

Which is good for Kristol and his "moar war!" ilk.  Hillary will definitely be putting US boots into harms way during her term.

[catfish1957]

NR lost any respect it had

Only from the trumpet crowd.