Kirk Cameron Urges All Wives To be Submissive To Their Husbands

[mirraflake]

I told my wife she had to start being submissive this morning after reading this article and she is still on the floor laughing her ass off 2 hours later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3566323/Kirk-Cameron-urges-wives-submissive-follow-husband-s-lead-former-actor-continues-nationwide-Love-Worth-Fighting-marriage-tour.html

He said in a recent interview that the role of the wife in a relationship is to be submissive to her husband
'Wives are to honor and respect and follow their husband's lead, not to tell their husband how he ought to be a better husband,' said Cameron
He also urged men not to fight with their wives because it makes it difficult for their children to ever have healthy relationships
'When couples start arguing and fighting in front of the kids, dad cuts mom and mom cuts dad and the kids bleed,' said Cameron
Cameron, an Evangelical Christian, has been married for 24 years and has six children with wife Chelsea Noble

[NavyCanDo]

You have aproblem with this? It's only been preached from every pulpit in the civilized world. And nobody preaches it without including the second part, on what is expected by the husbands, which includes sacrificing everything for your wife, even your life if you must. God's perfect order for mortal man when ignored turns to chaos and is destructive to marriages.

[sinkspur]

Paul lived at a time when patriarchy was the order of the day, as it's been the order of the day for most of human history.  Now, things are a little different.

I've always found it best to come to an agreement, to acceed to  my wife in her area of expertise, and she acceeds to mine.  We've been together 24 years and it's worked out well.

I really don't get the need for evangelicals to wave this scripture around as if it were definitive.  Paul wasn't even married.

[jmyrlefuller]

Paul lived at a time when patriarchy was the order of the day, as it's been the order of the day for most of human history.  Now, things are a little different.

I've always found it best to come to an agreement, to acceed to  my wife in her area of expertise, and she acceeds to mine.  We've been together 24 years and it's worked out well.

I really don't get the need for evangelicals to wave this scripture around as if it were definitive.  Paul wasn't even married.

Paul was also, quite possibly, gay. Not only did he not have any desire for women, but he spoke openly of being afflicted by "sin of the flesh" daily.

[ABX]

I need to ask my wife's permission to ask her to submit to my authority.... ouch... never mind, she said no.

[sinkspur]

Paul was also, quite possibly, gay. Not only did he not have any desire for women, but he spoke openly of being afflicted by "sin of the flesh" daily.

(Shhhhh!!!! You're not allowed to mention that.)

[Frank Cannon]

So Kirk is into bondage play. Kinky.

[ABX]

Paul was also, quite possibly, gay. Not only did he not have any desire for women, but he spoke openly of being afflicted by "sin of the flesh" daily.

I don't think we really have a clue. For all we know, the references to 'sin of the flesh' could have referenced his Roman life with more of a looser set of morals, prostitutes and what not. Especially being a Roman citizen in a region where marriages were arranged family agreements, it makes sense someone out of place would not only not be married, but have a propensity to have looked for 'professional' companionship more common among Romans.

[sinkspur]

He was not.  What a hideous thing for you to say.

What was his "thorn in the flesh."  Scripture scholars speculate it could have been a physical ailment or he very well might have been gay and not known what to to with that.  Or do you not believe there were gay people at the time of Christ?

[sinkspur]

Why do you care?  It amazes me that you find this offensive but not homosexuality and other things that are clearly condemned in Scripture.  The promotion of homosexuality has infected the entire culture.  Wives submitting to their husbands harms no one, is forced on no one, and is really between the man and his wife -- something they do in obedience to God.

Speaking of the aberrant homosexuals.....I wonder how they interpret it when there are two wives or no wives.  Of course they are experts at disobeying Scripture, so no big deal.  The ones that claim to be "Christian" are similar to the ones that claim to be conservative.  It is about them changing the group rather than agreeing with the group.

There's a good reason we don't talk about religious or faith issues here. Too many disagreements.  Let's stay on politics.  Sorry I ever commented on this thread.

[mirraflake]

You have aproblem with this? It's only been preached from every pulpit in the civilized world.

When it's the Duggar keep em barefoot, pregnant and uneducated yes I have a problem with it. No woman should  be bred as a broodmare.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Sounds like a  Muslim doesn't he?

[driftdiver]

Sounds like a  Muslim doesn't he?

He's sounds like the Word of God.   Submissive doesn't mean a negative.

[driftdiver]

Paul lived at a time when patriarchy was the order of the day, as it's been the order of the day for most of human history.  Now, things are a little different.

I've always found it best to come to an agreement, to acceed to  my wife in her area of expertise, and she acceeds to mine.  We've been together 24 years and it's worked out well.

I really don't get the need for evangelicals to wave this scripture around as if it were definitive.  Paul wasn't even married.

Ships and marriages work best with a captain.  A good captain listens to his first officer.  It's God's plan.

[driftdiver]

When it's the Duggar keep em barefoot, pregnant and uneducated yes I have a problem with it. No woman should  be bred as a broodmare.

How do you get from this to women being bred like a "broodmare"?

[sinkspur]

Ships and marriages work best with a captain.  A good captain listens to his first officer.  It's God's plan.

"God's plan" as interpreted by men.

If you choose to follow Paul literally, go right ahead.  Just don't act as if a patriarchial society is "God's plan."  God reveals his plan to each one of us in the silence of our hearts.  Preachers or Popes who purport to speak for God are just as blind as you are.

[mirraflake]

I have never watched the Duggar show, but I think you exaggerate.  Even if not, why do you care?  If the woman does it willingly, what is it to you?

OK the Duggars wear shoes  I was exaggerating that aspect.  And if you watched the show you can see how these girls are brainwashed from infancy.

[mirraflake]

How do you get from this to women being bred like a "broodmare"?

Because the Duggar girls  are bred like broodmares-just as the mom was with 19 kids. They belong to the Quiverfill(sic) sect. If you do not know what that is look it up.

[mirraflake]

Brainwashed?  I doubt it.  But I'll leave that alone since I have not watched it.  I guess they will go out into the world as great menaces to society because they will fail to be contentious nags who fight and argue with their husbands.  What horror.

You say they are not brainwashed but you have never watched the show.  I will refresh your memory the Duggars are the one with son Josh married to Anna who was diddling with young girls-his own sisters and watching porn and subscribed to Ashley Madison and had sex with a prostitute

Any other  wife in America would have left his sorry ass but if you watched the show she was brainwashed  pure and simple.

My wife and I  are equals and rarely argue or fight and she never nags. I know plenty of my friends with same wonderful wives.

[montanajoe]

I wanted to tell my wife she should be submissive but she wont let me....

[driftdiver]

"God's plan" as interpreted by men.

If you choose to follow Paul literally, go right ahead.  Just don't act as if a patriarchial society is "God's plan."  God reveals his plan to each one of us in the silence of our hearts.  Preachers or Popes who purport to speak for God are just as blind as you are.

I don't think I know better then God.  He gave us his Word.  I don't pick and choose which parts of it I agree with.  I pray for understanding and the love with which its intended.

[sinkspur]

I don't think I know better then God.  He gave us his Word.  I don't pick and choose which parts of it I agree with.  I pray for understanding and the love with which its intended.

You interpret the Word literally.  I don't. That's why even a discussion of Scripture is pointless.  And we don't have a religion forum here for that very reason.

[driftdiver]

You interpret the Word literally.  I don't. That's why even a discussion of Scripture is pointless.  And we don't have a religion forum here for that very reason.

Yet you chose to ridicule Kirk for his religious views?   So it's ok to ridicule and mock but not say I believe.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Ships and marriages work best with a captain.  A good captain listens to his first officer.  It's God's plan.

Well said. Or if children are involved, NCO.

[sinkspur]

Yet you chose to ridicule Kirk for his religious views?   So it's ok to ridicule and mock but not say I believe.

I think Kirk is wrong.  I didn't mock him or ridicule him.  I think anyone who takes every word of Scripture literally is wrong in reading it that way.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I think Kirk is wrong.  I didn't mock him or ridicule him.  I think anyone who takes every word of Scripture literally is wrong in reading it that way.

You certainly have plenty of company, so with all due respect: Just curious, how do you read your constitution?

[driftdiver]

I think Kirk is wrong.  I didn't mock him or ridicule him.  I think anyone who takes every word of Scripture literally is wrong in reading it that way.

I certainly understood some of the posts to be intended to ridicule believers but perhaps I misunderstood.

If the Bible isn't accurate and isn't intended to be taken as true then what parts aren't true?  Who gets to decide?  I MO either it's true or the whole thing is fiction.

For me, I've felt Gods touch in my heart.   I believe the word of God is true but admit to not understanding all of it.

[NavyCanDo]

I agree with sink, let's have some respect for each other's faith here, and how we choose to practice it, and even those not believing in God at all. You all that are newbies from TOS may be still use to how religious discussions went on that forum, which always turned ugly.  We have done a great job avoiding doing the same on TBR. Let's not ruin it.

[Mod1]

You interpret the Word literally.  I don't. That's why even a discussion of Scripture is pointless.  And we don't have a religion forum here for that very reason.

You're right, we don't have a religion forum, because the arguments that would result are not helpful to the forum.
This thread is going to be locked before it gets out of hand, subject to review by the forum owners.

[Mod2]

My two cents, posted publicly:

It's a legit article to be posted and discussed.

Discussion of this sort of article is inevitably going to involve people revealing their specific beliefs.

The devil is in the details. That's why there are so many interpretations of The Word.

No one likes to think they are wrong.

Never heard of the guy and rather glad I haven't.

REALLY glad we don't have a religion forum.

[mystery-ak]

Unlocked....for now!

[driftdiver]

Unlocked....for now!

Could you please clarify the sites stance on religion.  I certainly understand this can be a sensitive issue.   I also believe it can be handled by responsible adults.   I created an account here 4 years ago but only recently started posting.   From this thread and a couple others I've kinda picked up a anti-religion vibe. 

[newgeezer]

Well, well, well. Such an entertaining thread this is.

When I first saw the subject, although I know for a fact the advice is sound, it might be more effective coming from his wife.

That's only because it was a HUGE blessing to our marriage about 20 years ago when my wife took the advice of an older, godly woman and read the book, "The Excellent Wife: A Biblical Perspective" by Martha Peace (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/1885904088).

As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

[EC]

RAT - that post is damn nigh perfection. Thank you. 

[Free Vulcan]

Could you please clarify the sites stance on religion.  I certainly understand this can be a sensitive issue.   I also believe it can be handled by responsible adults.   I created an account here 4 years ago but only recently started posting.   From this thread and a couple others I've kinda picked up a anti-religion vibe.

My county GOP has Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, and agnostics in it. Particularly when the Mormons came in during Romney's first campaign there was a great deal of sniping.

Now not so much. Why? Because politically, we all realized the leftists are after all of us, regardless. We can debate theology all day, but politically we are all in the same boat and support the same issues. We lock arms and go forward as a group, protecting each others backs.

[mountaineer]

  From this thread and a couple others I've kinda picked up a anti-religion vibe.

Sorry to read this. I've been here since the forum's inception and never felt that. I agree that we don't need a religion forum, though. We're here to discuss politics, which is divisive and antagonizing enough.

I appreciate RAT Patrol's perspective - thanks for that post, RAT! This always has been a forum for all Republicans, all conservatives. We expect disagreement and the owners always said this is not to be an echo chamber. That's what distinguishes GBR from other sites, especially the one so many of us fled. I just hope that we can land on that common ground when the time comes.

[mystery-ak]

RAT Patrol....excellent post...you put into words what we here at TBR espouse..thank you

[truth_seeker]

I agree with sink, let's have some respect for each other's faith here, and how we choose to practice it, and even those not believing in God at all. You all that are newbies from TOS may be still use to how religious discussions went on that forum, which always turned ugly.  We have done a great job avoiding doing the same on TBR. Let's not ruin it.

I'll go further. We have essentially avoided explicit religion entirely on this forum. And it has worked.

And to drag in the FR religious arguments, has absolutely no upside, and tremendous downside.

If you just arrived from FR and that is your forte, please find somewhere else to do it.

[musiclady]

I'm going to add a different twist to this discussion.....

My husband and I have been incredibly happily married for nearly 40 years.  We are both Bible-believing Christians who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture (different from 'literalism' which doesn't account for cultural and literary dimensions).  We believe that the Scripture is the inspired word of God.

That said, we have had, from the beginning, a mutually respectful, egalitarian marriage, in which we both submit first to God, and then to each other (read the verse before the "submit to your husband" verse in Ephesians 5).  We believe that we live, both as individuals, and as a couple, not under the curse, but under Grace.  We also believe that God has one will for both of us, and if we are both seeking His will, there is no need for a 'boss.'

We have a peaceful, orderly marriage with very little conflict, and none of consequence, in which we are equals.  There has never been an important decision in 40 years on which we didn't agree.  And there is no sin in our seeing each other as equals.

I think there is a lot of damage done by oversimplifying the 'rules' and trying to get every individual and couple squeezed into the same mold.

Perhaps a bit more Grace is called for in discussions on these matters.....   ^-^

[driftdiver]

I'll go further. We have essentially avoided explicit religion entirely on this forum. And it has worked.

And to drag in the FR religious arguments, has absolutely no upside, and tremendous downside.

If you just arrived from FR and that is your forte, please find somewhere else to do it.

@mystery-ak  @mod-2   I didn't think I was creating an argument but I really don't need to be in a place that is this hostile to Christians.   Please remove my account.  Have a Blessed Day

[mystery-ak]

I'll go further. We have essentially avoided explicit religion entirely on this forum. And it has worked.

And to drag in the FR religious arguments, has absolutely no upside, and tremendous downside.

If you just arrived from FR and that is your forte, please find somewhere else to do it.

Good thing you aren't on the welcoming committee....lighten up and don't be so rude.

[mirraflake]

Could you please clarify the sites stance on religion.  I certainly understand this can be a sensitive issue.   I also believe it can be handled by responsible adults.   I created an account here 4 years ago but only recently started posting.   From this thread and a couple others I've kinda picked up a anti-religion vibe.

I don't think it is anti religion but the site owners don't want to bring religion into threads. After this thread I can see why.

[mystery-ak]

It was locked...I am locking it again..