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« Reply #951 on: April 20, 2017, 08:07:14 pm »
Well I enjoyed the Season finale of The Expanse. Can't wait until season 3...
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« Reply #952 on: April 20, 2017, 08:29:25 pm »
Well I enjoyed the Season finale of The Expanse. Can't wait until season 3...

And there will be a season 3.

I don't think they can continue to call it a proto-molocule.

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« Reply #953 on: April 20, 2017, 08:33:03 pm »
And there will be a season 3.

I don't think they can continue to call it a proto-molocule.


I agree. That creature was neat.
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« Reply #954 on: April 20, 2017, 08:38:12 pm »

I agree. That creature was neat.

Even more important is what is going on under the clouds of Venus.

The hybrid creature on the Rossi was all about pure survival but there is much greater intelligence at work on Venus.

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« Reply #955 on: April 20, 2017, 08:40:27 pm »
Even more important is what is going on under the clouds of Venus.

The hybrid creature on the Rossi was all about pure survival but there is much greater intelligence at work on Venus.


I thought the hybrid creature on the Rossi was cool..  I'm not going to say what happened to it..


I think that something wonderful is going to happen on Venus..
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« Reply #956 on: April 20, 2017, 08:46:40 pm »

I thought the hybrid creature on the Rossi was cool..  I'm not going to say what happened to it..


I think that something wonderful is going to happen on Venus..

For some reason I don't think we're done with Joe Miller yet.

I've done some reading ahead and I think something wonderful is going to happen out beyond the orbit of Neptune.

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« Reply #958 on: April 20, 2017, 09:21:27 pm »
For some reason I don't think we're done with Joe Miller yet.

I've done some reading ahead and I think something wonderful is going to happen out beyond the orbit of Neptune.


I think that Miller is going to be like Dave from 2010 and I'm not saying anymore.
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« Reply #959 on: April 20, 2017, 11:02:15 pm »
She gave it to Charles Johnson!

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« Reply #960 on: April 22, 2017, 04:05:36 pm »
I was watching the original V, and I was wondering... If you see a bunch of Aliens with Nazi like symbols would you:


1. Run for the hills?
2. Welcome them as friends?

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« Reply #961 on: April 22, 2017, 04:11:12 pm »
I was watching the original V, and I was wondering... If you see a bunch of Aliens with Nazi like symbols would you:


1. Run for the hills?
2. Welcome them as friends?

3. back into the shadows and observe them.

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« Reply #962 on: April 22, 2017, 04:19:31 pm »
I was watching the original V, and I was wondering... If you see a bunch of Aliens with Nazi like symbols would you:

I don't think aliens would give symbols the same significance we do. They were very military-like though, that is what I would notice.

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« Reply #963 on: April 22, 2017, 05:35:16 pm »
I don't think aliens would give symbols the same significance we do. They were very military-like though, that is what I would notice.

I don't buy into a lot of the conventional wisdom on this sort of thing.

Its probably safe to assume that aliens wouldn't be here with our best interests in mind. (Better safe than sorry) Most likely they're an expanding species and they want our planet because it has a reasonably suitable biosphere.

I don't buy into the idea of aliens coming to take our water metals or other resources simply because they all exist in vast abundance throughout the universe. Hydrogen and oxygen are two of the most abundant elements in the universe. Aliens who can travel light years can make water if they need to. In fact an interstellar species can probably make any material they need with Star Trek style replicators.

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« Reply #964 on: April 23, 2017, 12:25:02 am »
3. back into the shadows and observe them.
4. look for opportunities to gain access to their weapons and other tech to reverse engineer it, or be able to use it in a pinch.
5. Study them for weaknesses for Earth 'substances', to begin corrupting them if they try to seize power.
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« Reply #965 on: April 23, 2017, 06:49:13 am »
I was watching the original V, and I was wondering... If you see a bunch of Aliens with Nazi like symbols would you:


1. Run for the hills?
2. Welcome them as friends?

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« Reply #966 on: April 23, 2017, 08:25:56 am »
6. Find out if they taste like chicken.
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« Reply #967 on: April 23, 2017, 08:42:00 am »
6. Find out if they taste like chicken.

I'm with you.

I couldn't care less to find intelligent life in the universe. I want air we can breathe, water we can drink, and life we can eat.

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« Reply #968 on: April 23, 2017, 08:55:13 am »
I'm with you.

I couldn't care less to find intelligent life in the universe. I want air we can breathe, water we can drink, and life we can eat.

A primary goal should be to stay at the top of the food chain.
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« Reply #969 on: April 23, 2017, 08:59:03 am »
A primary goal should be to stay at the top of the food chain.

Indeed.


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« Reply #970 on: April 23, 2017, 01:33:32 pm »
Indeed, indeed.

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« Reply #971 on: April 23, 2017, 01:55:26 pm »
My philosophy is this:


I don't care either just along the following doesn't happen to me:


1. Have a snake in me and control every move.
2. Become half machine and organic
3. Have a creature inside me and burst out of my chest.
4. Be part of the main course.



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« Reply #972 on: April 23, 2017, 03:16:47 pm »
My philosophy is this:


I don't care either just along the following doesn't happen to me:


1. Have a snake in me and control every move.
2. Become half machine and organic
3. Have a creature inside me and burst out of my chest.
4. Be part of the main course.

5. Not be a side dish, either.
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« Reply #973 on: April 23, 2017, 04:17:50 pm »
5. Not be a side dish, either.

Conservatives make terrible side dishes.  Too dry.

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« Reply #974 on: April 23, 2017, 06:37:58 pm »
Conservatives make terrible side dishes.  Too dry.

And seldom sweet.  Sometimes a bit sour and bitter, and occasionally astringent.  Altogether to be avoided--progressives are preferred, as they are much more likely to be tender, never having had to do physical labor.
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« Reply #975 on: April 23, 2017, 06:39:06 pm »
And seldom sweet.  Sometimes a bit sour and bitter, and occasionally astringent.  Altogether to be avoided--progressives are preferred, as they are much more likely to be tender, never having had to do physical labor.


Also, progressives are kinda granola.
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« Reply #976 on: April 23, 2017, 07:16:24 pm »
uh huh

No to progressives. You would never get the taste of ass out of your mouth.
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« Reply #982 on: April 27, 2017, 07:54:30 pm »


Cool, I was hoping there would be more to the story on Elizabeth Shaw.

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« Reply #984 on: April 27, 2017, 09:13:13 pm »
Cool, I was hoping there would be more to the story on Elizabeth Shaw.


To be honest that was just a tie in.. I think I just saw I wanted to see. I'm waiting for it to be on streaming.
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« Reply #985 on: April 27, 2017, 09:17:40 pm »

To be honest that was just a tie in.. I think I just saw I wanted to see. I'm waiting for it to be on streaming.

The who Shaw thing was interesting because she was a scientist who had a strong faith in God that she refused to give up.

Its so rare for Christianity to be treated with anything other than contempt in sci fi that its notable when it isn't.

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« Reply #986 on: April 27, 2017, 09:30:16 pm »
The who Shaw thing was interesting because she was a scientist who had a strong faith in God that she refused to give up.

Its so rare for Christianity to be treated with anything other than contempt in sci fi that its notable when it isn't.


To be honest with, I was surprised that was in the first place. That is one of the reasons that I liked about Prometheus..
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« Reply #987 on: April 28, 2017, 02:16:53 am »

To be honest that was just a tie in.. I think I just saw I wanted to see. I'm waiting for it to be on streaming.

That was fascinating, is this a movie about the android we made meeting our makers? That would be very interesting.

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« Reply #988 on: April 28, 2017, 10:21:21 am »
That was fascinating, is this a movie about the android we made meeting our makers? That would be very interesting.

Ridley Scott is one of those enigmatic personalities who defy categorization - maybe intentionally. Who knows? He professes to be an atheist, yet one may discern a reverence for spirituality in many (all) of his serious films. All he will say in any detail about the subject, that I have read or heard, is that he is fascinated by the "process of religious questing" perhaps from a psychological viewpoint of how it effects people both negatively and positively.

Scott may be an example of someone who, though he self-identifies as an atheist, may be more-correctly described as a skeptic waiting for evidence that he can accept of God's existence. If he is keeping his own true feelings about God to himself, he is probably wise, owing to the almost Satanic bigotry and intolerance for theism which exists in his chosen field (film-making). If he did not say that he was an atheist, he might well incur a lot of opposition and interference in his career that he would otherwise not encounter. So I can't fault him for being realistic.

Being a self-identified Jew in Nazi Germany would not have been a good idea either, and sadly we have reached a place that is almost that same level of danger in our current time, in regard to popular attitudes of many of those in power toward Christianity, deism or theism in general. Of all ideologues, I have noticed that militant atheists tend to be among the least tolerant and most vindictive / sadistic of all ideologues.

Note how the principle in Gladiator enters Heaven at the end of his life, even though it was devoted to killing. Also the character Shaw is (whether intentionally or incidentally) a perfect example of a person of faith being sustained by it both materially and through "luck" (which I do not believe in) that is more correctly viewed as "providence". Those would both be concepts more-commonly seen in Christian, Vedantist or Catholic doctrine - the idea that people of faith receive intervention or aid directly from God if they maintain a life of piety and perseverance.

Even if Scott is authentically an atheist as he claims, he is apparently smart and well-informed  enough to understand, as CG Jung did, that people who have strong spirituality are often more successful, personally resilient to crisis, happier, healthier, more benevolent and socially valuable human beings than those who do not. 

See, apart from theological issues, Christianity is one of the most advanced moral systems that the world has ever known. The fundamental doctrines of Christianity align very strongly with most of the fundamental precepts of mental health, especially when applied with honesty, humility and comprehensive respect for the spirit of the teachings.
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« Reply #989 on: April 28, 2017, 11:45:10 am »
That was fascinating, is this a movie about the android we made meeting our makers? That would be very interesting.


From what I have seen from the clip, the android killed our makers..
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« Reply #990 on: April 28, 2017, 12:23:48 pm »

From what I have seen from the clip, the android killed our makers..

say what! That could be interesting

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« Reply #991 on: April 28, 2017, 12:32:19 pm »

From what I have seen from the clip, the android killed our makers..

That's what it looked like to me.

The narration that Shaw had shown great kindness combined with the comment that he was alone again and free to learn all about the makers after putting her in hibernation was kind of ominous.

Also ominous is the line from Ozymandius. Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
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« Reply #992 on: April 28, 2017, 12:33:52 pm »
say what! That could be interesting

hah hah that's a nice twist I didn't see coming. Scott is a bit of a paranoid when it comes to extraterrestrials. He thinks that they are a real threat and is afraid that they will destroy or subjugate the human race if they do show up. My own feeling is that if they DO exist in some sort of hyper-advanced culture, they would be far more likely to be indifferent to us than a threat.
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« Reply #993 on: April 28, 2017, 12:44:06 pm »
Ridley Scott is one of those enigmatic personalities who defy categorization - maybe intentionally. Who knows? He professes to be an atheist, yet one may discern a reverence for spirituality in many (all) of his serious films. All he will say in any detail about the subject, that I have read or heard, is that he is fascinated by the "process of religious questing" perhaps from a psychological viewpoint of how it effects people both negatively and positively.

Scott may be an example of someone who, though he self-identifies as an atheist, may be more-correctly described as a skeptic waiting for evidence that he can accept of God's existence. If he is keeping his own true feelings about God to himself, he is probably wise, owing to the almost Satanic bigotry and intolerance for theism which exists in his chosen field (film-making). If he did not say that he was an atheist, he might well incur a lot of opposition and interference in his career that he would otherwise not encounter. So I can't fault him for being realistic.

Being a self-identified Jew in Nazi Germany would not have been a good idea either, and sadly we have reached a place that is almost that same level of danger in our current time, in regard to popular attitudes of many of those in power toward Christianity, deism or theism in general. Of all ideologues, I have noticed that militant atheists tend to be among the least tolerant and most vindictive / sadistic of all ideologues.

Note how the principle in Gladiator enters Heaven at the end of his life, even though it was devoted to killing. Also the character Shaw is (whether intentionally or incidentally) a perfect example of a person of faith being sustained by it both materially and through "luck" (which I do not believe in) that is more correctly viewed as "providence". Those would both be concepts more-commonly seen in Christian, Vedantist or Catholic doctrine - the idea that people of faith receive intervention or aid directly from God if they maintain a life of piety and perseverance.

Even if Scott is authentically an atheist as he claims, he is apparently smart and well-informed  enough to understand, as CG Jung did, that people who have strong spirituality are often more successful, personally resilient to crisis, happier, healthier, more benevolent and socially valuable human beings than those who do not. 

See, apart from theological issues, Christianity is one of the most advanced moral systems that the world has ever known. The fundamental doctrines of Christianity align very strongly with most of the fundamental precepts of mental health, especially when applied with honesty, humility and comprehensive respect for the spirit of the teachings.

There was a time when there was nothing at all controversial about strongly Christian themes in sci fi. The twilight zone with Burgess Meredith as The Obsolete man" showing his bible and explaining that possessing it was enough to draw a death penalty and then  reading the lord's prayer. Meredith calmly awaited his death as the chancellor flung himself at the door in panic.

"The old man in the cave" was another good one with the moral that mankind must have faith to survive.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #994 on: April 28, 2017, 12:46:21 pm »
There was a time when there was nothing at all controversial about strongly Christian themes in sci fi. The twilight zone with Burgess Meredith as The Obsolete man" showing his bible and explaining that possessing it was enough to draw a death penalty and then  reading the lord's prayer. Meredith calmly awaited his death as the chancellor flung himself at the door in panic.

"The old man in the cave" was another good one with the moral that mankind must have faith to survive.

Great post! BTW, those episodes are available for free on YouTube. They have either entered the public domain or else the owners of the copyrights don't care if they are made available to the public.
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« Reply #995 on: April 28, 2017, 01:53:51 pm »
There was a time when there was nothing at all controversial about strongly Christian themes in sci fi. The twilight zone with Burgess Meredith as The Obsolete man" showing his bible and explaining that possessing it was enough to draw a death penalty and then  reading the lord's prayer. Meredith calmly awaited his death as the chancellor flung himself at the door in panic.

"The old man in the cave" was another good one with the moral that mankind must have faith to survive.


I remember watching Babylon 5 on how respectful that JMS who was an Atheist and he was respectful to Christianity.


Also, I remember watching SGU on how respectful it was to Christianity.. I think the ancients was trying to find someone ;)
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« Reply #996 on: April 28, 2017, 01:58:15 pm »
hah hah that's a nice twist I didn't see coming. Scott is a bit of a paranoid when it comes to extraterrestrials. He thinks that they are a real threat and is afraid that they will destroy or subjugate the human race if they do show up. My own feeling is that if they DO exist in some sort of hyper-advanced culture, they would be far more likely to be indifferent to us than a threat.


I'm a bit paranoid.. 


I just don't want the following happen to me:


1. Have a lot of implants and nanites in me.
2. Have a snake inside me
3. or be part of the main course....
4. or have something burst out my stomach
5. or have a creature face hugging and put some kind of alien eggs in me.


But that is just me
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« Reply #997 on: April 28, 2017, 04:09:45 pm »

CBS has officially announced some new additions to the cast of Star Trek: Discovery, which is currently filming in Toronto.


The latest installment to the Star Trek franchise, which is slated to debut later this year on CBS All Access, has cast Rekha Sharma, Kenneth Mitchell, Clare McConnell and Damon Runyan as Klingons and Starfleet officers along with a new role for previously announced actor Shazad Latif.


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« Reply #998 on: April 28, 2017, 04:11:36 pm »
wasn't it originally supposed to have its debut in January or something?

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« Reply #999 on: April 28, 2017, 04:12:29 pm »
I don't think that Rekha will shave her hair like Persis...


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