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[Luis Gonzalez]

This is so much BS like how many angels can balance on the head of a pin or something ...you guys figure it out somehow.. my guide is Burke and Kirke and I feel good about that.

Your guide is Burke and Kirk and you think that there isn't a lick of difference between Sanders and Paul.

Nice taking to you.

[bkepley]

Your guide is Burke and Kirk and you think that there isn't a lick of difference between Sanders and Paul.

Nice taking to you.

I honestly think Kirk would agree with me.  Forget all the theory and listen to their rhetoric.  Populist rightists sound more like Bernie Sanders than Ronald Reagan.  I wouldn't be at all suprised if they get so angry at the "globalist" GOPe that they move right oved to Bernie Sanders if their current hero fails.

[DCPatriot]

I honestly think Kirk would agree with me.  Forget all the theory and listen to their rhetoric. Populist rightists sound more like Bernie Sanders than Ronald Reagan. I wouldn't be at all suprised if they get so angry at the "globalist" GOPe that they move right over to Bernie Sanders if their current hero fails.

You've got to be kidding, bkepley.  Geesh!

What makes Bernie Sanders so terrific is looking in the mirror and seeing no future, no job prospects.

Donald Trump is the complete opposite of socialism/collectivism.  And he would never consider it proper to "take profits from others for the common good", as Hillary suggests.

[bkepley]

You've got to be kidding, bkepley.  Geesh!

What makes Bernie Sanders so terrific is looking in the mirror and seeing no future, no job prospects.

Donald Trump is the complete opposite of socialism/collectivism.  And he would never consider it proper to "take profits from others for the common good", as Hillary suggests.

I'm not the only one who has pointed it out.  There was a great article by Kevin Williamson in NR about Sanders being a "Nationalist" Socialist.  All I know is when the anti-globalists on the Right start hyperventillating you can't tell them from the left.  Why is it so hard to believe?  Look at the right-wing collectivists also known as facists.

[DCPatriot]

I'm not the only one who has pointed it out.  There was a great article by Kevin Williamson in NR about Sanders being a "Nationalist" Socialist.  All I know is when the anti-globalists on the Right start hyperventillating you can't tell them from the left.  Why is it so hard to believe?  Look at the right-wing collectivists also known as facists.

Sorry, not going to engage in bullsh*t this early on a Saturday morning.     Enjoy the day!

[Luis Gonzalez]

I'm not the only one who has pointed it out.  There was a great article by Kevin Williamson in NR about Sanders being a "Nationalist" Socialist.  All I know is when the anti-globalists on the Right start hyperventillating you can't tell them from the left.  Why is it so hard to believe?  Look at the right-wing collectivists also known as facists.

Fascism is NOT right wing because collectivism is the exact opposite of individualism.

The fact that you claim that fascism is right wing tells me that what you know about political ideology was taught to you by leftist college professors.

[DCPatriot]

Fascism is NOT right wing because collectivism if the exact opposite of individualism.

The fact that you claim that fascism is right wing tells me that what you know about political ideology was taught to you by leftist college professors.

 

[bkepley]

Fascism is NOT right wing because collectivism if the exact opposite of individualism.

The fact that you claim that fascism is right wing tells me that what you know about political ideology was taught to you by leftist college professors.

Like I said...forget the professors and the theory.  Most of the world consider Franco and Mussolini right wing.  That is the circle.  When I read the rantings of the "right" against the capitalists on TOS they sounded just like left-wing loonies to me.  Sometimes you gotta go with your gut.  I can easily see some of those guys joining Bernie.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I'm not the only one who has pointed it out.  There was a great article by Kevin Williamson in NR about Sanders being a "Nationalist" Socialist.  All I know is when the anti-globalists on the Right start hyperventillating you can't tell them from the left.  Why is it so hard to believe?  Look at the right-wing collectivists also known as facists.

What anti-globalist left?

The left, by its own nature, are globalists.

Anarchists want no borders and no global banking. They're the extreme right.

[bkepley]

What anti-globalist left?

The left, by its own nature, are globalists.

Anarchists want no borders and no global banking. They're the extreme right.

Like it or not in this country the left is associated with liberals and by the way also in this country those who call themselves anarchists are violently anti-globalist.  That is reality not theory.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Like it or not in this country the left is associated with liberals and by the way also in this country those who call themselves anarchists are violently anti-globalist.  That is reality not theory.

Rachel Dolezal says that she's black and Bruce Jenner says he's a woman. That makes neither one of them what they say that they are.

The U.S. government says that the attack on Fort Hood was a case of workplace violence. It wasn't.

If you allow your opinions to be dictated by the collective, irrespective of whether you call yourself a conservative, you are a collectivist and not a right winger.

[bkepley]

Rachel Dolezal says that she's black and Bruce Jenner says he's a woman. That makes neither one of them what they say that they are.

The U.S. government says that the attack on Fort Hood was a case of workplace violence. It wasn't.

If you allow your opinions to be dictated by the collective, irrespective of whether you call yourself a conservative, you are a collectivist and not a right winger.

Now you are going off the deep end.

[DCPatriot]

What anti-globalist left?

The left, by its own nature, are globalists.

Anarchists want no borders and no global banking. They're the extreme right.

Baloney!  Ain't no Ann-Arkissed of that type on my end of the spectrum.  Try extreme north or south.  In any movie involving amoral, blood-thirsty mobs, I don't see any Republicans.

But seriously, it seems to me that Occupy Wall Street, an anarchist's wet dream, sprouted from the Left.  People who certainly wouldn't be caught dead with a Republican.

[bkepley]

Baloney!  Ain't no Ann-Arkissed of that type on my end of the spectrum.  Try extreme north or south.  In any movie involving amoral, blood-thirsty mobs, I don't see any Republicans.

But seriously, it seems to me that Occupy Wall Street, an anarchist's wet dream, sprouted from the Left.  People who certainly wouldn't be caught dead with a Republican.

People on (what is generally referred to in this country and many others for purposes of convenience) "the right" tend to be law abiding.  That doesn't mean when it comes to things like "economic justice" many on "the right" sound a lot like occupy Wall Street.

Here's another thing they are alike in, their obsession with money in politics. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

Now you are going off the deep end.

I'm actually trying to fish you out of a huge hole that you've been trapped in (probably) for most of your life.

You yourself acknowledge that leftists are liberals. You are correct.

The extreme manifestations of liberalism are Socialism, Fascism and Communism. All of those are global movements since they strive for world control. Anti-globalists are the exact opposite of those movements, so how can they be the same?

[DCPatriot]

Now you are going off the deep end.

IMO, not at all, bkepley.  More than ever before, you should look at your professor as an opinion, and that there is another argument with supporting facts out there.

Then you can make YOUR honest conclusion on which you feel more comfortable.

I was 30 years old and self-employed when Carter took office.  Experienced, firsthand, the Reagan Economic boom.

That's a helluva lot more important than what any loser-drone college Professor can teach me.

[bkepley]

I'm actually trying to fish you out of a huge hole that you've been trapped in (probably) for most of your life.

You yourself acknowledge that leftists are liberals. You are correct.

The extreme manifestations of liberalism are Socialism, Fascism and Communism. All of those are global movements since they strive for world control. Anti-globalists are the exact opposite of those movements, so how can they be the same?

I understand all that and I am long familiar with the argument that left-right should be seen as no government versus total government.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Baloney!  Ain't no Ann-Arkissed of that type on my end of the spectrum.  Try extreme north or south.  In any movie involving amoral, blood-thirsty mobs, I don't see any Republicans.

But seriously, it seems to me that Occupy Wall Street, an anarchist's wet dream, sprouted from the Left.  People who certainly wouldn't be caught dead with a Republican.

If conservatism is defined by individualism and less government interference with an individual, what is the extreme manifestation of that if not anarchy?

Occupy wasn't an anarchist movement. It was an anti-capitalism movement. It was Communism, and that's why the U.S. Communist Party stood in solidarity with them.

The Occupy movement was an ersatz Bolshevik Revolution by misguided entitled brats.

[bkepley]

IMO, not at all, bkepley.  More than ever before, you should look at your professor as an opinion, and that there is another argument with supporting facts out there.

Then you can make YOUR honest conclusion on which you feel more comfortable.

I was 30 years old and self-employed when Carter took office.  Experienced, firsthand, the Reagan Economic boom.

That's a helluva lot more important than what any loser-drone college Professor can teach me.

I never had such a professor and my education is in a technical field FWIW.

[DCPatriot]

I understand all that and I am long familiar with the argument that left-right should be seen as no government versus total government.

I refuse to accept that description.

Continuing down the path from limited government doesn't lead to no government.

It serves notice for all who are interested, that peace and prosperity and individual liberty can only be found on our side.

[Luis Gonzalez]

People on (what is generally referred to in this country and many others for purposes of convenience) "the right" tend to be law abiding.  That doesn't mean when it comes to things like "economic justice" many on "the right" sound a lot like occupy Wall Street.

Here's another thing they are alike in, their obsession with money in politics.

Your primary problem is that you want to pigeonhole every degree of right-wing thinking under one definition, ignoring the varying degrees of difference between those whose ideology falls to the right of center in the ideological scale.

People on the left are just as law abiding as those on the right, but they want a lot more laws controlling a lot more aspects of every day life. The more laws and the more government control of people's lives that you believe should exist, the more of a leftist that you are, and the extreme manifestation of that set of beliefs is Socialism/Fascism/Communism.

The less laws and the less government control of your life that you believe in, the more of a right winger that you are. The extreme manifestation of that is anarchy.

[DCPatriot]

I never had such a professor and my education is in a technical field FWIW.

Just wondering where you got your opinions on this.  Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, that's all.   

Still shaking my head....

[musiclady]

What anti-globalist left?

The left, by its own nature, are globalists.

Anarchists want no borders and no global banking. They're the extreme right.

Why, historically, have the anarchists been on the extreme left if it is an extreme right position?

[Luis Gonzalez]

I refuse to accept that description.

Continuing down the path from limited government doesn't lead to no government.

It serves notice for all who are interested, that peace and prosperity and individual liberty can only be found on our side.

That's like saying that continuing to roll downhill doesn't lead to the bottom of the hill.

Civil society lies in that middle ground between Communism and anarchy.

Our struggle is to find that place where government doesn't exert extreme control of our lives and chaos doesn't reign while maintaining as much individual freedom as possible.

THAT is the definition of conservatism.

[bkepley]

Just wondering where you got your opinions on this.  Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, that's all.   

Still shaking my head....

My opinions are my own but I am not alone in them.