General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 12:45:05 pm
Title: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 12:45:05 pm
Here we go!!
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 12:49:13 pm
Let the games begin!
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Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 12:50:46 pm
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Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 12:51:41 pm
Bump
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 12:51:47 pm
OK, who wants to start a pool on how the Trump Campaign will screw up the convention today?
More stupid statements that the press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) can use to belittle Republicans and Conservatives?
More angering the base?
More plagiarism?
Place your bets now!
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 12:52:50 pm
The word on Morning Joe is that Trump said only a top staffer would be assigned to Melania for her speech, so it's likely Manafort put his top guy on it.
That's why Manafort is trying to blow this off as somehow coming from Hillary (an insult to the intelligence of anybody listening to him).
He knows he's going to have to whack one of his guys.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 12:53:46 pm
OK, who wants to start a pool on how the Trump Campaign will screw up the convention today?
More stupid statements that the press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) can use to belittle Republicans and Conservatives?
More angering the base?
More plagiarism?
Place your bets now!
Trump's name is placed in nomination at 5:30 EST today followed by a roll call of states. That's the next opening for #DumpTrump.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 12:53:49 pm
Posted on the other thread too: On the citizens for trump page, the spin they are going with is she was honoring Michelle and other first ladies by incorporating their themes. Not kidding.
Key words will be honoring and inspiration.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2016, 12:56:53 pm
Don't know about youse guys but plan on sitting back and watch trump preform his rendition of The Exodus Theme from Days of Wine and Roses at his dog and pony show in Cleveland.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:09:24 pm
Posted on the other thread too: On the citizens for trump page, the spin they are going with is she was honoring Michelle and other first ladies by incorporating their themes. Not kidding.
Key words will be honoring and inspiration.
That reason (excuse) sounds very Democrat-like to me. Odd coincidence?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 01:12:09 pm
@sinkspur FYI: The "Official" Thread has posted their hamfisted rules again to keep their echo chamber a safe space.
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LIVE THREAD RULES REMINDER
I would like everyone to be respectful here of members and the convention speakers Discuss what is going on. No going off topic to bash Trump, or argue. There are plenty of other places to on the forum you can do that. No snarky remarks, or hit and run posting bombs.
To Trump supporters: Same for you only reversed. Do not coax the nevers to an argument. These are live convention threads.
Any post that does not comply on either side, will be deleted without warning :beer:
Thanks!
« Last Edit: Today at 03:02:17 AM by R4 TrumPence »
What are our rules again....
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 01:16:06 pm
Don't know about youse guys but plan on sitting back and watch trump preform his rendition of The Exodus Theme from Days of Wine and Roses at his dog and pony show in Cleveland.
Maybe he'll sing Rocketman Like William Shatner.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2016, 01:18:39 pm
RNC Refuses To Release List Of Delegates/States Who (Allegedly) Withdrew Roll Call Petition
Obama had Greek columns on the stage at The Invesco Field. Not to be outdone, Trump plans a night of Flaming Gold Candelabra's and show tunes sung by Capt Kirk.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 01:26:51 pm
Justin Ashash pointed out that its like a voice vote in congress. Its done to hide a lack of support or provide cover for those who do support but don't want their names attached. He also points out that the rule has always been 7 states.
What the GOP did with the help of Team Trump yesterday was give the unaccountable RNC full control. Exactly the opposite of what Trump claims to be about.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 01:27:11 pm
I don't see anything blocking yall, at that, bigun just posted on it.
So... then Maybe todays thread is locked till gate time then?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 01:40:14 pm
Good interview with Mike Lee on Glenn Beck this morning.
Says the RNC was stupid for silencing the grassroots yesterday. They could have united the party, but further divided it. He didn't blame Trump, but rather the RNC leadership.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:41:28 pm
Good interview with Mike Lee on Glenn Beck this morning.
Says the RNC was stupid for silencing the grassroots yesterday. They could have united the party, but further divided it. He didn't blame Trump, but rather the RNC leadership.
I blame Trump delegates along with the RNC. They're so terrified that someone will vote against Trump that they were willing to allow the RNC to usurp their own authority.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:45:28 pm
Good interview with Mike Lee on Glenn Beck this morning.
Says the RNC was stupid for silencing the grassroots yesterday. They could have united the party, but further divided it. He didn't blame Trump, but rather the RNC leadership.
Further divided it? lol If they weren't good & pissed off before....
they sure as hell are now.
Heckuva job, GOP E!
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:46:35 pm
I blame Trump delegates along with the RNC. They're so terrified that someone will vote against Trump that they were willing to allow the RNC to usurp their own authority.
And, if I'm not mistaken, willing to allow the RNC establishment twits to break (crap all over) the rules.
(pardon typos this am....still working on my first cup of java)
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 01:46:48 pm
She's the boss. It's her problem when her partner and Trumpists not fit to be mods run roughshod over forum members and then gloat about it on a LIVE thread, complete with mass post deletions and poster blockages.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:49:17 pm
She's the boss. It's her problem when her partner and Trumpists not fit to be mods run roughshod over forum members and then gloat about it on a LIVE thread, complete with mass post deletions and poster blockages.
What part of "she's not here" are you not comprehending?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 01:49:57 pm
And, if I'm not mistake, willing to allow the RNC establishment twits to break (crap all over) the rules.
Yup. And now the RNC is free to make new rules and change rules at any time they wish between now and the next GOP convention. The fact that they rejected the Mike Lee proposal to support closed primaries is pretty telling as well.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:50:28 pm
She's the boss. It's her problem when her partner and Trumpists not fit to be mods run roughshod over forum members and then gloat about it on a LIVE thread, complete with mass post deletions and poster blockages.
Guys....let's not turn this fine new thread (thanks Sinkspur!) into another bitch-fest about TOS or TOT, eh?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 01:53:05 pm
Yeah, great forum Myst has going here. No better than TOS. She should be ashamed.
I have been contacted by some mods. I found their responses heartening. At TOS, they would circle the wagons and immediately ban or suspend me for daring to point out the impropriety. I'm sensing a bit of empathy on TBR instead.
So that's a good thing!
As far as the other thread - I've forgotten about it. It's a TCG thread.
What is sad is that Trump is causing even this small forum to become completely balkanized. What does that mean for the party in general?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 01:54:56 pm
Guys....let's not turn this fine new thread (thanks Sinkspur!) into another bitch-fest about TOS or TOT, eh?
I agree, XenaLee. This place is 100's times better than TOS, and the convention shenanigans is the issue, not some other thread out of the thousands here.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 01:55:26 pm
Guys....let's not turn this fine new thread (thanks Sinkspur!) into another bitch-fest about TOS or TOT, eh?
You're welcome and I second your suggestion. Let's just post over here. Forget all about that thread. Myst is helping birth a grandchild today and doesn't need the aggravation.
I appreciate you guys posting news as it surfaces. I'm trying to get some work done today so will be in and out.
And thanks for making last night's thread trouble free.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 01:55:58 pm
I blame Trump delegates along with the RNC. They're so terrified that someone will vote against Trump that they were willing to allow the RNC to usurp their own authority.
I think Lee was trying to be gracious, and I think you're right. It's a Trump/GOPe united front, trying to shut down any minority opinion. The comparison was made to when the Dems voted on getting God out of their platform in 2012. It was clear the voice vote was a Nay, but they ruled that the Ayes had it.
It's all about power, and the RNC has sold whatever soul it had (OK... not much)......to gain the power they imagine they will get with Trump.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 01:58:07 pm
I think Lee was trying to be gracious, and I think you're right. It's a Trump/GOPe united front, trying to shut down any minority opinion. The comparison was made to when the Dems voted on getting God out of their platform in 2012. It was clear the voice vote was a Nay, but they ruled that the Ayes had it.
It's all about power, and the RNC has sold whatever soul it had (OK... not much)......to gain the power they imagine they will get with Trump.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
They're taking a page from the very successful Dem book. They don't necessarily think we're stupid; they just don't think that we can/will do anything about it.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 01:58:29 pm
I have been contacted by some mods. I found their responses heartening. At TOS, they would circle the wagons and immediately ban or suspend me for daring to point out the impropriety. I'm sensing a bit of empathy on TBR instead.
So that's a good thing!
As far as the other thread - I've forgotten about it. It's a TCG thread.
What is sad is that Trump is causing even this small forum to become completely balkanized. What does that mean for the party in general?
Last night when I checked, there were four or five times the number of posters on this thread as the other.
It's good that we forget it. They're a small, angry minority here, and they will remain that.
We need to move on.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 01:59:53 pm
Apparently I have been blocked from posting on the other thread!
Hows that for fairness?
The government guarantees your free speech. However, as a private entity TBR has no such constitutional requirement.
I think management made a determination that you have plenty of space on this forum to spew Trump hatred over 99% of the other threads.
I think they were probably just trying to clear the isles for some undisrupted discussion of the convention, rather than catering to your neverTrump obsessive need to emote about losing the 2016 republican presidential primary to Donald Trump. Try getting over it. You'll feel better.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 02:01:04 pm
I think Lee was trying to be gracious, and I think you're right. It's a Trump/GOPe united front, trying to shut down any minority opinion. The comparison was made to when the Dems voted on getting God out of their platform in 2012. It was clear the voice vote was a Nay, but they ruled that the Ayes had it.
It's all about power, and the RNC has sold whatever soul it had (OK... not much)......to gain the power they imagine they will get with Trump.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Obviously not all Trump supporters were on board with this behavior from the RNC. The Trump campaign finance chair quit over it
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 02:02:03 pm
Guys....let's not turn this fine new thread (thanks Sinkspur!) into another bitch-fest about TOS or TOT, eh?
So I guess that the irony of having two competing LIVE threads on a Conservative board, with one locked down to pro-Trump Caucus status, is lost on you? :shrug:
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 02:02:24 pm
They're taking a page from the very successful Dem book. They don't necessarily think we're stupid; they just don't think that we can/will do anything about it.
They've never even acknowledged that we exist, Sanguine, other than to dismiss us as the enemy. WE were the ones who worked at got the House majority in 2010, and they completely dismissed our grassroots efforts.
As I see it, what they did yesterday was to make it official and not just implied. Conservatives are not wanted in the Republican party.
They're going to be shocked to find out what that's going to mean to their power.
As I've said before, I've been on the Conservative edge of an increasingly liberal party, hoping for reform, but this election has pushed me right out the door. There are no values that I share with them any more. None.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 02:05:01 pm
So what's the current buzz on Melania's plagiarizing (but apparently well delivered) speech?
Has Michelle reacted?? :smokin:
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 02:06:36 pm
So what's the current buzz on Melania's plagiarizing (but apparently well delivered) speech?
Has Michelle reacted?? :smokin:
The side by side video is pretty damning. It wasn't just a case of following a theme. Her speech writers lifted passages. The official response seems to be mixed. From Manfort and company, the reaction is 'no she didn't, it was similar'. On the Citizens for Trump page I posted from upthread, they official response for the blogosphere/social media is to be: She didn't plagiarize, she was inspired by former first ladies like Michelle Obama and was honoring them.
Waiting to see what becomes the official excuse.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 02:15:13 pm
So I guess that the irony of having two competing LIVE threads on a Conservative board, with one locked down to pro-Trump Caucus status, is lost on you? :shrug:
Guys, I created this thread yesterday because I knew the main thread was not going to be as loose as I wanted it to be. I never expected this to be any more than a lame alternative with a few contributors. Had no idea it was going to be so popular.
I am not going to spend any of my time trashing decisions by the owners of this forum or making light of the other thread. They're gonna do what they're gonna do.
We have much more robust discussions over here, so I'm going to stay over here.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 02:18:32 pm
The side by side video is pretty damning. It wasn't just a case of following a theme. Her speech writers lifted passages. The official response seems to be mixed. From Manfort and company, the reaction is 'no she didn't, it was similar'. On the Citizens for Trump page I posted from upthread, they official response for the blogosphere/social media is to be: She didn't plagiarize, she was inspired by former first ladies like Michelle Obama and was honoring them.
Waiting to see what becomes the official excuse.
Just read through this thread and saw the side by side. Damning indeed.
The side by side video is pretty damning. It wasn't just a case of following a theme. Her speech writers lifted passages. The official response seems to be mixed. From Manfort and company, the reaction is 'no she didn't, it was similar'. On the Citizens for Trump page I posted from upthread, they official response for the blogosphere/social media is to be: She didn't plagiarize, she was inspired by former first ladies like Michelle Obama and was honoring them.
Waiting to see what becomes the official excuse.
Does anyone really care about that speech? Really? So trivial in comparison to the other issues of the day/week. Just because the rats are trying to make an issue of it, doesn't mean that anti-Trumpers should as well. JS....
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: don-o on July 19, 2016, 02:25:42 pm
They're taking a page from the very successful Dem book. They don't necessarily think we're stupid; they just don't think that we can/will do anything about it.
And....they'd be wrong about that. They need every single damned vote, and then some, this November in order to defeat Hillary (remember ACORN?). I don't think they have any idea just how pissed off the conservative base has been and is.....especially now. They will withhold their vote in November, just as they did in 2008 and 2012. Can you say "Hello, President Hillary"?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 02:29:50 pm
And....they'd be wrong about that. They need every single damned vote, and then some, this November in order to defeat Hillary (remember ACORN?). I don't think they have any idea just how pissed off the conservative base has been and is.....especially now. They will withhold their vote in November, just as they did in 2008 and 2012. Can you say "Hello, President Hillary"?
They're playing chicken with people who don't have anything left to lose.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 02:37:28 pm
Ready for some fireworks- A muslim will give the closing prayer tonight. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216560.msg973165/topicseen.html#msg973165
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 02:42:56 pm
Alex Griswold @HashtagGriswold Trump advisor Sarah Huckabee Sanders when asked who should be fired after Melania debacle: "Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 02:44:05 pm
And....they'd be wrong about that. They need every single damned vote, and then some, this November in order to defeat Hillary (remember ACORN?). I don't think they have any idea just how pissed off the conservative base has been and is.....especially now. They will withhold their vote in November, just as they did in 2008 and 2012. Can you say "Hello, President Hillary"?
Yeah, and that's a great point - they would rather have a President clinton that do what it takes to bring conservatives back into the fold. We need to pay attention to that - and, I'm not talking just about the GOPe, because at this point I think a good case could be made that they're a branch of the global uniparty.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 02:48:11 pm
Does anyone really care about that speech? Really? So trivial in comparison to the other issues of the day/week. Just because the rats are trying to make an issue of it, doesn't mean that anti-Trumpers should as well. JS....
discussing it doesn't "make an issue" of it
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 02:58:58 pm
Hey, Timber Rattler, that's not fair. She's away for the birth of her grandchild. She tries her best to walk a very thin line here...it can't be easy. But she's always been very fair.
Her last action before leaving was to remove this Live Thread from Members Only and put it back into Politics, where, she said, it belongs.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 02:59:17 pm
Does anyone really care about that speech? Really? So trivial in comparison to the other issues of the day/week. Just because the rats are trying to make an issue of it, doesn't mean that anti-Trumpers should as well. JS....
To my mind the real issue is how the apparent plagiarism shows up the incompetence of the Trump Campaign. As a couple of guys on local radio this morning pointed out, there are software tools that can do a search on any quote and tell you where and how many times it's been used; there are people in the speech writing business who are familiar with virtually every important campaign speech given, and can recognize if a turn of phrase sounds like something that has been used before. This is Politics 101, and the Trump Campaign is failing.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 03:05:08 pm
To my mind the real issue is how the apparent plagiarism shows up the incompetence of the Trump Campaign. As a couple of guys on local radio this morning pointed out, there are software tools that can do a search on any quote and tell you where and how many times it's been used; there are people in the speech writing business who are familiar with virtually every important campaign speech given, and can recognize if a turn of phrase sounds like something that has been used before. This is Politics 101, and the Trump Campaign is failing.
Every professor who has ever graded a paper (like ME) knows that there is software that picks up plagiarism.......... even a tiny little bit.
The idea that the speechwriter didn't know this was Michelle's speech is absurd.
Melania probably didn't, but she claimed that she wrote it herself, so that's another matter entirely.....
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 03:12:54 pm
New Day @NewDay Trump campaign chair: I didn't know Trump was calling Fox News during #GOPConvention, but he felt it was important
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 03:15:53 pm
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 1h1 hour ago The utter incompetence of the Trump campaign in not accepting a mistake, acting, and moving on is the only real thing of note here. (/1
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 1h1 hour ago But that's been the consistent pattern for a year now: somebody does something dumb/wrong, they defend it, then loudly shiv them later. (/2)
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 03:16:12 pm
Steve Deace @SteveDeaceShow Steve Deace
Cocaine is a helluva drug
Laura IngrahamVerified account @IngrahamAngle
I think this is one of the best nights for a GOP convention in years.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 03:17:08 pm
@sinkspur , @AbaraXas , can this thread be made "sticky" like yesterday's thread, so that it appears at the top of the Politics category? Thanks.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 03:18:25 pm
Melania probably didn't, but she claimed that she wrote it herself, so that's another matter entirely.....
So she and Donny Boy both have the ability to take credit for other people's work?
Now I know what the attraction was...
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 03:22:57 pm
Ben Shapiro correcting the spelling of unhinged Freeper LS. ..as I told the guy a few months ago, he's a great argument for sending one's kids to trade school.
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 37m37 minutes ago Ben Shapiro Retweeted Larry Schweikart
Tweets.
Larry Schweikart @LarrySchweikart
@benshapiro @Mediaite Anything that Benji tweetes LOLOLOLOL
So I guess that the irony of having two competing LIVE threads on a Conservative board, with one locked down to pro-Trump Caucus status, is lost on you? :shrug:
It's the Trump way, I would expect no less. Some Trump supporters (not all of course) can stand no more critisim than Duke ala Orange himself.
Anyways, I wonder what the TP Barnum Daily Circus has in store for us today.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 03:28:47 pm
The government guarantees your free speech. However, as a private entity TBR has no such constitutional requirement.
I think management made a determination that you have plenty of space on this forum to spew Trump hatred over 99% of the other threads.
I think they were probably just trying to clear the isles for some undisrupted discussion of the convention, rather than catering to your neverTrump obsessive need to emote about losing the 2016 republican presidential primary to Donald Trump. Try getting over it. You'll feel better.
Morning @aligncare. Glad you came out to play with the cool kids for a while. :laugh: Personally I don't mind the arrangements here too much; I can understand Trump supporters wanting to discuss their stuff without having to constantly defend Trump. The arguments have been made. The die has been cast and other than grumbling, we #Never Trump folks are in for a wild ride no matter what happens. The focus of the grassroots needs to be on the races for their congress critters and local positions so there's plenty of work to be done. After all of Donald's work to separate himself from the Republican Party I wonder if he's shortened cut off his own coattails.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 03:38:51 pm
To my mind the real issue is how the apparent plagiarism shows up the incompetence of the Trump Campaign. As a couple of guys on local radio this morning pointed out, there are software tools that can do a search on any quote and tell you where and how many times it's been used; there are people in the speech writing business who are familiar with virtually every important campaign speech given, and can recognize if a turn of phrase sounds like something that has been used before. This is Politics 101, and the Trump Campaign is failing.
Well....in case you haven't noticed....incompetence is the new main job requirement in the Obamanation. The Trump campaign is just living up to the DemocRat standards and the dream.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 03:39:26 pm
The funny thing is, we'll see who the real losers are in the end, won't we> Unfortunately, by then, all the cockroaches will have scurried out of the light so as to not have any scrutiny on how we arrived in our losing position.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 03:40:16 pm
Ready for some fireworks- A muslim will give the closing prayer tonight. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216560.msg973165/topicseen.html#msg973165
You have to be kidding me.....unreal!
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Hoodat on July 19, 2016, 03:48:14 pm
What the GOP did with the help of Team Trump yesterday was give the unaccountable RNC full control. Exactly the opposite of what Trump claims to be about.
Actually, it is the exact opposite of what Trump supporters claim Trump is about. Trump hasn't come out against the current GOPe, primarily because he hasn't been a Republican long enough to even know what the GOPe is.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 03:51:34 pm
Ready for some fireworks- A muslim will give the closing prayer tonight. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216560.msg973165/topicseen.html#msg973165
I posted that to twitter nearly an hour ago. So far not a peep out of the always ready for a fight Trumpers.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Hoodat on July 19, 2016, 03:51:44 pm
Are you kidding? They'd be demanding her immediate execution if she looked like that.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 03:52:57 pm
Manafort: "There’s a political tint to this whole issue... the Clinton camp was the first to get it out there."
David Frum @davidfrum 2h2 hours ago David Frum Your opponents will pounce upon incompetent political fails, yes. That's why it's important not to suck at your job
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 03:53:33 pm
Who wants to bet that by Day 3 violence erupts outside among the protesters? If anyone is interested....here's a video on past convention protests and violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19MCYlGwJHo
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 03:54:25 pm
Manafort: “We don’t believe there is anything in that speech that doesn’t reflect her thinking”
So you believe she was thinking about plagiarizing?
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 03:55:17 pm
And then there's Ben Carson's take:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnu3OgbUMAAglT7.jpg)
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 03:55:58 pm
Here is the funny irony.
The speech Melania plagiarized was one that Michelle plagiarized (and everyone went nuts about). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2068091/posts
And Breitbart points out today, M.O. plagiarized from Alinsky. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 03:56:24 pm
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 04:11:14 pm
On top of everything else...
There’s a norovirus outbreak at the Republican Convention
Sandusky, Ohio
A dozen California Republican staff members and volunteers staying at the delegation’s hotel an hour outside Cleveland for the national convention have come down with norovirus, the highly contagious bug that inflames the stomach and intestines and causes diarrhea and vomiting.
Read the full story here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article90492817.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article90492817.html#storylink=cpy)
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 19, 2016, 04:12:23 pm
Apparently I have been blocked from posting on the other thread!
Hows that for fairness?
It's how the Trump fanatics want the country to be run and governed.
They scream that the comparisons of Trump to Mussolini and Hitler's mobs are unwarranted and unfair (while attempting to suggest that everyone opposed to Trump are the real NAZIs) - but these are the people who are DEMONSTRATING what they will do should they get what they want.
Gulags and camps in your future. Sooner rather than later if Trump is given the throne.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2016, 04:14:29 pm
Yeah, great forum Myst has going here. No better than TOS. She should be ashamed.
That's just about the snottiest thing I've seen posted here in a while. It is you who should be ashamed, TR.
Look up and down the whole forum, get away from these bitter partisan threads, and tell me you still think that about Myst. Tell me TBR is no better than TOS.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 04:14:43 pm
There’s a norovirus outbreak at the Republican Convention
Sandusky, Ohio
A dozen California Republican staff members and volunteers staying at the delegation’s hotel an hour outside Cleveland for the national convention have come down with norovirus, the highly contagious bug that inflames the stomach and intestines and causes diarrhea and vomiting.
Use protection and wash your hands, there is now a virus that causes the TRUMPs
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 04:17:02 pm
Good interview with Mike Lee on Glenn Beck this morning. Says the RNC was stupid for silencing the grassroots yesterday. They could have united the party, but further divided it. He didn't blame Trump, but rather the RNC leadership.
Chairman Reince Priebus did this. He did the same thing in 2012 and I watched him do it. It was again about accepting the rules. It was voice vote and the nays were much louder than the ayes but he said the ayes had it and he left the stage. There was loud hollering and banging over his call, but it was over. Priebus is not the soft spoken man he pretends to be. He is ruthless and it WILL be done the way he wants it no matter what the majority wants.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2016, 04:28:38 pm
Chairman Reince Priebus did this. He did the same thing in 2012 and I watched him do it. It was again about accepting the rules. It was voice vote and the nays were much louder than the ayes but he said the ayes had it and he left the stage. There was loud hollering and banging over his call, but it was over. Priebus is not the soft spoken man he pretends to be. He is ruthless and it WILL be done the way he wants it no matter what the majority wants.
I remember that, and the "vote" in 2012 led to changes that affected how this year's primaries would be run. The rules were supposed to have been tailored to shoe-in Jeb Bush or some other firmly-in-the-pocket candidate, which goes to show just how little control the GOPe really has on the process. Trump is what they deserve, I just wish the rest of us didn't have to be involved.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: HonestJohn on July 19, 2016, 04:29:14 pm
The government guarantees your free speech. However, as a private entity TBR has no such constitutional requirement.
I think management made a determination that you have plenty of space on this forum to spew Trump hatred over 99% of the other threads.
I think they were probably just trying to clear the isles for some undisrupted discussion of the convention, rather than catering to your neverTrump obsessive need to emote about losing the 2016 republican presidential primary to Donald Trump. Try getting over it. You'll feel better.
This is the vilest post I've seen today.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2016, 04:35:08 pm
I have been contacted by some mods. I found their responses heartening. At TOS, they would circle the wagons and immediately ban or suspend me for daring to point out the impropriety. I'm sensing a bit of empathy on TBR instead. So that's a good thing! As far as the other thread - I've forgotten about it. It's a TCG thread.
"What is sad is that Trump is causing even this small forum to become completely balkanized. What does that mean for the party in general?"
You aren't going far enough when you say, "for the party in general". Trump will destroy the whole country, not just the party. I am not kidding when I say, due to his mental disorder, he will start WWIII. Every family should have water and food and other items stored, especially if he becomes president. @Bigun @kartographer @CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 04:45:13 pm
I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about the other thread, but I do want to weigh in my opinion. I was miffed yesterday that that thread was in bold red at the top of the page like it was the official thread and this thread was stuck away like we were the ugly step-children. Today I see that the other thread is labeled a caucus convention thread and we have a bold red link as the Open thread. Thank you to the mods. We mirrored the convention yesterday with a bit of unruliness and dissension over these threads, but the mods did step in and struck a fair balance, in my opinion.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Victoria33 on July 19, 2016, 04:48:35 pm
Guys, I created this thread yesterday because I knew the main thread was not going to be as loose as I wanted it to be. I never expected this to be any more than a lame alternative with a few contributors. Had no idea it was going to be so popular. We have much more robust discussions over here, so I'm going to stay over here.
I said yesterday, I went to the other thread, and I did today, and there is nothing for me to read - they are all on my IGNORE list so nothing there but a few idle comments from those here. No point in going back there just as there isn't any point in going over to FR, it will be the same.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 04:49:58 pm
I would love to hear 800 delegates chanting "Hell No" when Trumps turn to speak comes
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 04:52:21 pm
Just focus on making this the best thread we can. Don't worry about the caucus thread.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 04:56:06 pm
"We should be saying whether we're Democrats or Republicans, we share the same values" - Ben Carson 7-19, 2016
Absolutely the most honest and forthright thing stated from this circus of a party.
Trump and Hillary share the same exact values. So much so that Trump plagiarized almost verbatim Hillary and Bernie's Trade policy positions
The GOP and the Democrat Party share the same exact values.
Uniparty indeed!
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 19, 2016, 04:58:06 pm
I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about the other thread, but I do want to weigh in my opinion. I was miffed yesterday that that thread was in bold red at the top of the page like it was the official thread and this thread was stuck away like we were the ugly step-children. Today I see that the other thread is labeled a caucus convention thread and we have a bold red link as the Open thread. Thank you to the mods. We mirrored the convention yesterday with a bit of unruliness and dissension over these threads, but the mods did step in and struck a fair balance, in my opinion.
That they did.
Amen.
And rightfully so.
And rightfully titled too I might add (at the top of the board).
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 04:59:26 pm
Trump supporters surround Utah Delegate and threaten TO KILL HER in RNC convention bathroom
Quote
A Utah delegate was reportedly threatened inside a bathroom at Quicken Loans Arena during the Republican National Convention Monday.
According to NBC, Utah delegate Kera Birkeland was on the floor during the Rules vote as one of the delegates calling for a roll call vote.
Birkeland reportedly went to the women’s restroom and when she emerged from a stall, a group of Trump supporters surrounded her and threatened to kill her, urging her to leave the party and the state.
I will never ever trust a Trump supporter.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 05:19:28 pm
Manafort: "There’s a political tint to this whole issue... the Clinton camp was the first to get it out there."
David Frum @davidfrum 2h2 hours ago David Frum Your opponents will pounce upon incompetent political fails, yes. That's why it's important not to suck at your job
My comment was vile? You need some perspective. Look back over the scores of posts you made slandering Donald Trump and those voters planning on supporting the republican nominee before calling what I said vile.
If I didn't know better I'd say you were being highly sensitive if you think my comment "vile." (A dictionary might be useful in fine tuning your understanding of the word vile and show how to use it in the proper context)
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 05:24:34 pm
"Madam Secretary... my sweet love... it is done. We totally put our writer on Melania's speech. Team Trump is so clueless that they didn't even suspect a thing. We already have the 'Melania plagiarized' attack talking points out to our team for right afterwards."
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 05:38:03 pm
Report: Trump wants ex-Goldman Sachs partner to head Treasury
Quote
Donald Trump is reportedly planning to nominate Steve Mnuchin, his campaign’s finance chairman, for Treasury secretary if he wins the White House in November.
Anthony Scaramucci, a major fundraiser for the Trump campaign, told Fortune on Tuesday that the presumptive GOP nominee announced his intentions to a group of prospective donors.
Trump tapped Mnuchin in early May to lead the campaign’s fundraising operation. The move raised eyebrows among Republican donors and fundraising operatives, many of whom had never heard of him.
New World Order=Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 05:41:03 pm
No blue checkmark next to Obama's name - not a valid tweet.
The reason I'm curious is that tweet would probably be from 8 years ago so it is either pulled from an archiving service or an old screenshot before they used the 'verified account' checkmarks.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2016, 05:49:49 pm
Can we get a nice neat above the fold link like the echo chamber thread has? :0001:
Lets not ruin the neighborhood....make 'em at least cross the street to get here
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 06:12:54 pm
I just saw a Trumpster describe a Trump quote as "agitprop", the poster also denoted the date was May 8. I assume this is because they put an expiration date on the validity anything their own candidate says
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 06:14:30 pm
"We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the worlds been turning..."
-Melania Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 06:14:44 pm
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A TX delegate tells me the names of those who signed yesterday's petition were revealed to pro-Trump/Reince people to be pressured.</p>— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) July 19, 2016 (https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/755437896560103426)
The highlight of today's convention may well be an opportunity to boo Mitch McConnell.
Not much else there except the Family. I see Tiffany is getting a few minutes in the spotlight.
The Donald used Melania as an excuse to make a premature entrance yesterday and he has several excuses to show up today.
The Donald loves him some cheering crowds.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 06:28:49 pm
Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, What might be right for you, may not be right for some. A man is born, he's a man of means. Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes. It takes Diff'rent Strokes. It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
---Melania Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Emjay on July 19, 2016, 06:30:26 pm
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#MelaniaTrump (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MelaniaTrump?src=hash) knows strife, struggle and discomfort--after all she's married to a Lego pic.twitter.com/QMjf5R8jet (https://t.co/QMjf5R8jet)</p>— Margaret Cho (@margaretcho) July 19, 2016 (https://twitter.com/margaretcho/status/755288439549865984)
RNC Refuses To Release List Of Delegates/States Who (Allegedly) Withdrew Roll Call Petition
https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/ (https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/) Kendal Casey Unruh is on fire! Listen to her explain what's happening at the #RNCinCLE. She claims they are going to try and procedurally have them PROVE the votes weren't there in the states or that they were withdrawn....
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Emjay on July 19, 2016, 06:33:14 pm
Hey, at least your account wasn't outright suspended for "disagreeing" like mine was.
Shades of TOS that I didn't expect here.
I can understand the trumpers wanting to dance and sing cum bah ya (or however it's spelled) but they need to Cowboy Up. It's gonna be nothing but a trainwreck from here on out and people need to be ready to search for survivors.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 06:33:44 pm
I just saw a Trumpster describe a Trump quote as "agitprop", the poster also denoted the date was May 8. I assume this is because they put an expiration date on the validity anything their own candidate says
He evolves daily unlike we mere mortals who being confined to time and space are stuck in our past with our fixed truth and silly ideals. Either that or he pivots more than Obama does.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 19, 2016, 06:36:07 pm
https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/ (https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/) Kendal Casey Unruh is on fire! Listen to her explain what's happening at the #RNCinCLE. She claims they are going to try and procedurally have them PROVE the votes weren't there in the states or that they were withdrawn....
Remember the exploding heads of the Trumpians going berserk on Cruz and his wife over Goldman Sachs?
Just confirmation they have no principles whatsoever.
Not even those they professed to destroy all Conservative opposition to both Hillary and Trump.
Trump supporters can turn on a dime ... they are so limber now, they could do ballet. If they had any decency at all, they would remember how they attacked Ted's wife because, well, because she worked for a living like a lot of us regular wives. And she had a job at Goldlman Sachs. There were trumpers on TOS that had Goldman Sachs in their tag line.
So Trump is going to have a Goldman Sachs speaker? If it didn't make me sick to go there, I'd go see how the zombies are justifying that.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RoosGirl on July 19, 2016, 06:40:46 pm
I can understand the trumpers wanting to dance and sing cum bah ya (or however it's spelled) but they need to Cowboy Up. It's gonna be nothing but a trainwreck from here on out and people need to be ready to search for survivors.
I am thankful that cooler heads prevailed. What I wrote was reviewed by two others and the account suspension was determined inappropriate. Everyone has their moments and I was happy to let it drop, kind of expecting that the person that wronged me would have been decent enough to apologize, but of course that did not happen. But it really started grating me the wrong way when I see that person continuing to block people all the while reminding us of the rules.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 06:41:06 pm
https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/ (https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN/videos/10154583522015579/) Kendal Casey Unruh is on fire! Listen to her explain what's happening at the #RNCinCLE. She claims they are going to try and procedurally have them PROVE the votes weren't there in the states or that they were withdrawn....
This stuff is amazing. I just hope the opposition remains strong throughout this and continues to force the issue.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 19, 2016, 06:45:48 pm
Ya'll remember when people on TOS used to co balistic about how Heidi Cruz was supposed to go back to da kitchen and make sammichs not ask us to help support her husband? Yet now with Trump we get the whole clan and nobody minds a bit.
Oh well like Melina Trump said Stupid is as stupid does.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 06:47:24 pm
If the Texas delegation is not in the fight, then we have essentially lost already.
Incredibly disappointing from TEXAS.
It is just the Texas chair, Amy says they had 70 of the 78 Texas delegates on board but the chair, Dan Patrick, said in no uncertain terms, he would refuse to acknowledge them if they spoke up and then with a wink and a nod, implied he wouldn't even be on the floor to give them an open mic to speak.
Amy has the Facebook 'go live' videos on her page, she is trying to find a way to share externally but you can see them here if you scroll down the page. https://www.facebook.com/amy.hedtke?fref=ts
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 06:53:29 pm
It is just the Texas chair, Amy says they had 70 of the 78 Texas delegates on board but the chair, Dan Patrick, said in no uncertain terms, he would refuse to acknowledge them if they spoke up and then with a wink and a nod, implied he wouldn't even be on the floor to give them an open mic to speak.
Amy has the Facebook 'go live' videos on her page, she is trying to find a way to share externally but you can see them here if you scroll down the page. https://www.facebook.com/amy.hedtke?fref=ts
70 is not enough! They need 78. If Texas can't put up a majority, that's disheartening.
I'm betting some border delegates honestly believe Trump's wall bullcrap. Boy are they in for a rude awakening.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 06:57:42 pm
A TX delegate tells me the names of those who signed yesterday's petition were revealed to pro-Trump/Reince people to be pressured.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 07:10:23 pm
Don't any of these delegates have the guts in which to tell Priebus, Manafort, and their RNC goons to go pound sand???? Seems to me like they are letting themselves be intimidated and steamrolled...
:huh?:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 07:11:19 pm
I just noticed the competing thread has 12 posts.
lol
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 07:12:21 pm
Every professor who has ever graded a paper (like ME) knows that there is software that picks up plagiarism.......... even a tiny little bit.
The idea that the speechwriter didn't know this was Michelle's speech is absurd.
Melania probably didn't, but she claimed that she wrote it herself, so that's another matter entirely.....
I think she probably did compose it herself. I suspect that she had other first lady candidates' speeches to look at and may have just rolled some nice-sounding rhetoric into her speech. Was it a rookie error? Absolutely. Should someone have checked her speech before she gave it? Yes, they should have, and if they did and didn't catch this....well, another unforced error.
Having said all of that, I don't know much about Melania as a person, and I don't want to knock her for things that I really can't judge her on.
I'm going to be blunt here: some of the over-the-top criticism of Melania evokes TOS and the "destroy them at all costs" pack mentality. She may not be the ideal FL, but she certainly wouldn't be the worst FL we've ever had, keeping in mind who her husband is running against.
Does that mean she's persuaded me to support Trump? No. Who she is is not relevant to my opinion of her husband.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 07:16:04 pm
Trump supporters surround Utah Delegate and threaten TO KILL HER in RNC convention bathroom
I will never ever trust a Trump supporter.
So, I've seen many posts and reports about delegates being threatened, about changing their vote or the whole signature thing, and there's people saying that more than the delegates yelled YAY, during the vote.
Question is, is ANYTHING being done about it? Is it being challenged, at all? :shrug:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2016, 07:31:26 pm
It is only destroy them at all costs when it is untrue. It is perfectly fair and even important to tell the truth about someone who wants to be our next First Lady. I don't want an ex-porn star. If that is "over the top" then the "top" is way too low. What happened to being the party of family values and character mattering and all of that? Being pretty and graceful is not about character. Getting paid to pose for porn is. I'm not saying this is the thing that makes Trump unacceptable. But it is part of it. He was the owner of gambling casinos, one I understand had a strip club in it. He gave Playboy interviews and was on the cover at least once. He married a woman who has posed for pornography. There is a theme here. A theme I do not care for.
OK, now I was just reading on another thread that she has said she has a degree and she doesn't. As for this porn thing - do we know that for a fact? If we're talking about that photo of her in a bit of fur, I don't have a real problem with that, but real porn I would have a problem with.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 07:39:28 pm
OK, now I was just reading on another thread that she has said she has a degree and she doesn't. As for this porn thing - do we know that for a fact? If we're talking about that photo of her in a bit of fur, I don't have a real problem with that, but real porn I would have a problem with.
So, I've seen many posts and reports about delegates being threatened, about changing their vote or the whole signature thing, and there's people saying that more than the delegates yelled YAY, during the vote.
Question is, is ANYTHING being done about it? Is it being challenged, at all? :shrug:
Doesn't look like it. If anyone followed me into the restroom to issue a threat, then he would be flying face first into the urinal, followed by a first-call pummeling, a trip to the emergency room, and then jail.
:chairbang:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: WAC on July 19, 2016, 07:44:41 pm
Nope 5:00 or so I guess....But I'm hoping to be on the thread....hope it's as dynamic as it was last night! They had some good speakers and it was easy to watch and appreciate......
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 07:45:27 pm
Doesn't look like it. If anyone followed me into the restroom to issue a threat, then he would be flying face first into the urinal, followed by a first-call pummeling, a trip to the emergency room, and then jail.
:chairbang:
Which is why I have my doubts about that whole story. :whistle:
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 07:49:36 pm
I think the alternative thread is the "Grumbling bah-HumBug" thread.....
They've apparently started even before the Convention night has begun! LOLOL......well ....maybe they'll get a little out of their system by having it so.....gotta be hard not to be able to support one of actual the nominees running in the general.....
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 07:59:15 pm
It has been reported that Alaska did not turn in its required signatures to contribute toward the rules committee roll call vote.
As a rules committee member, I had secured more than enough signatures from Alaska delegates, but the convention secretary was not at the designated location where I was told to submit them.
Some said she was hiding. Others said she was protected by guards. Regardless, I was told I could also present the signatures from the floor.
Nevertheless, when the vote occurred, my mic was not turned on. When I attempted to present these signatures at the stage, my effort was ignored by the chair, and the security guard turned me away.
The effort was made even more difficult by Alaska's late-arriving bus and slow security lines at the entrance. Overall, this was not a good demonstration of delegate accommodation, nor of full, open, honest debate of the rules as was promised during the rules committee orientation.
Fred Brown Rules Committee Member, Alaska
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 08:01:27 pm
Lying cheating frauds run the GOP
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 08:01:43 pm
I think the alternative thread is the "Grumbling bah-HumBug" thread.....
They've apparently started even before the Convention night has begun! LOLOL......well ....maybe they'll get a little out of their system by having it so.....gotta be hard not to be able to support one of actual the nominees running in the general.....
I think the alternative thread is the "Grumbling bah-HumBug" thread.....
They've apparently started even before the Convention night has begun! LOLOL......well ....maybe they'll get a little out of their system by having it so.....gotta be hard not to be able to support one of actual the nominees running in the general.....
Corruption, cronyism, despotism and tyranny have that effect on people of principle and conviction, while the rest cheer it on and goose-step to it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 08:03:25 pm
It has been reported that Alaska did not turn in its required signatures to contribute toward the rules committee roll call vote.
As a rules committee member, I had secured more than enough signatures from Alaska delegates, but the convention secretary was not at the designated location where I was told to submit them.
Some said she was hiding. Others said she was protected by guards. Regardless, I was told I could also present the signatures from the floor.
Nevertheless, when the vote occurred, my mic was not turned on. When I attempted to present these signatures at the stage, my effort was ignored by the chair, and the security guard turned me away.
The effort was made even more difficult by Alaska's late-arriving bus and slow security lines at the entrance. Overall, this was not a good demonstration of delegate accommodation, nor of full, open, honest debate of the rules as was promised during the rules committee orientation.
Fred Brown Rules Committee Member, Alaska
See the Texas delegate thread on the issue. They were told by their chair Dan Patrick that even though they had enough signatures, he would refuse to turn their mic on to let them speak to it. (and he also, with a wink and nod, said he wouldn't even be on the floor for them to ask to have the mic turned on). They have this on audio- on the delegate's facebook page, she recorded this with FB's 'Go Live' function (she is trying to pull it down to an audio or video link she can share).
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 08:04:22 pm
I think the alternative thread is the "Grumbling bah-HumBug" thread.....
They've apparently started even before the Convention night has begun! LOLOL......well ....maybe they'll get a little out of their system by having it so.....gotta be hard not to be able to support one of actual the nominees running in the general.....
Or critical thinking thread, not toeing the party line. Where all sides are free to discuss the aspects, not just a 'ra ra' section.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 08:09:45 pm
His name can technically be entered into nomination on the first vote per the rules (as can all the other candidates who won delegates), as is tradition, but the party is opposing even this.
Some drama/suspense behind scenes at RNC: Cruz backers debate entering his name into nomination a few hours from now. Party leaders nervous.
I think the alternative thread is the "Grumbling bah-HumBug" thread.....
They've apparently started even before the Convention night has begun! LOLOL......well ....maybe they'll get a little out of their system by having it so.....gotta be hard not to be able to support one of actual the nominees running in the general.....
Wow. You got submerged in Kool-Aid fast! From just a few weeks ago, pondering whether you should vote for Trump (yeah, right), to a full scale war against rational thought on this forum.
It's a miracle!! You've been reborn, @WAC! Hallelujah!!
(And tattling at the same time. How cool is that??)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 08:12:47 pm
His name can technically be entered into nomination on the first vote per the rules (as can all the other candidates who won delegates), as is tradition, but the party is opposing even this.
Wow, the Trumpers will do everything they can to keep the party from becoming unified
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 08:13:04 pm
Wow. You got submerged in Kool-Aid fast! From just a few weeks ago, pondering whether you should vote for Trump (yeah, right), to a full scale war against rational thought on this forum.
It's a miracle!! You've been reborn, @WAC! Hallelujah!!
(And tattling at the same time. How cool is that??)
Praise Cheetos Jesus (oops, sorry, not supposed to say that)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 08:13:41 pm
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 08:26:17 pm
Look at this - this is how Breitbart is spinning last night:
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‘Never Trump Is Officially Dead and Buried’: How Ken Cuccinelli, Mike Lee Sold Out Grassroots for Convention Floor Spectacle
by Matthew Boyle18 Jul 2016CLEVELAND, Ohio3659 SIGN UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Ken Cuccinelli of the Senate Conservatives Fund and Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) sold out grassroots conservatives so they could make a spectacle on the floor of the Republican National Convention as part of the last dying breaths of the “Never Trump” collective, which is now officially dead, Breitbart News has confirmed.
A senior Republican involved in the negotiations told Breitbart News that Cuccinelli and Lee “were given an opportunity to accept two different proposals by the RNC chairman Reince Priebus.”
“They walked away from both,” said the Republican strategist personally involved in the negotiations, someone who had friends on both sides....
Behind the talking head (I think a Bloomberg reporter) there was a scuffle going on the floor (someone raising their voice, a big group of people surrounding her), I thought they were going to cut to that but they didn't, they panned more to the reporter instead. They did mention there have been a lot of procedural disagreements right then, implying that was what was going on.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 08:36:39 pm
Behind the talking head (I think a Bloomberg reporter) there was a scuffle going on the floor (someone raising their voice, a big group of people surrounding her), I thought they were going to cut to that but they didn't, they panned more to the reporter instead. They did mention there have been a lot of procedural disagreements right then, implying that was what was going on.
Any way to find a video of that scuffle?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 08:38:21 pm
And Mechanicos continues to insult your intelligence when anyone dares warn about Fascism, because he asserts he has seen it in Iraq and knows it, and any comparisons to Mussolini or Hilter are absurd.
Yet here we have fruits that this is exactly the same kind of crap the Blackshirts and Brownshirts engaged in to establish their forms of despotism.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 08:38:47 pm
Quote
Just what makes that little old ant Think he'll move that rubber tree plant Anyone knows an ant, can't Move a rubber tree plant
But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes
-Melania Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 08:39:00 pm
Probably on CSPAN's website later. Look for the interview today with the Bloomberg reporter. It turned out to probably be a much ado about nothing and they cut away too quickly to really make heads or tails.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: don-o on July 19, 2016, 08:39:22 pm
Wow. You got submerged in Kool-Aid fast! From just a few weeks ago, pondering whether you should vote for Trump (yeah, right), to a full scale war against rational thought on this forum.
It's a miracle!! You've been reborn, @WAC! Hallelujah!!
(And tattling at the same time. How cool is that??)
Got to defend WAC here. He had serious and sincere reservations about Trump.
Many are voting for Trump over the alternative. After watching the convention last night, it was mostly awesome and it is easy not to want to be too critical.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 08:40:25 pm
Behind the talking head (I think a Bloomberg reporter) there was a scuffle going on the floor (someone raising their voice, a big group of people surrounding her), I thought they were going to cut to that but they didn't, they panned more to the reporter instead. They did mention there have been a lot of procedural disagreements right then, implying that was what was going on.
Scuffle? Scuffle?
The delegates should storm the stage and refuse to leave until a roll call vote on rules is taken.
I bet there are a lot more of them than there are security.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 08:40:56 pm
From one source that was trying to be positive: She would be the only first lady to have posed nude: In 2000, Melania was photographed in the buff for a GQ photoshoot - one memorable image had her handcuffed to a briefcase on board a private jet belonging to Trump, then her boyfriend. "We pushed the envelope a little," editor Dylan Jones says. "[It's] not exactly the kind of thing we could have asked anyone else to do – and we were surprised she said yes."
Melania was handcuffed to a briefcase with an open jewelry box in the frame.
Very symbolic if you ask me.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 19, 2016, 08:47:25 pm
Got to defend WAC here. He had serious and sincere reservations about Trump.
Many are voting for Trump over the alternative. After watching the convention last night, it was mostly awesome and it is easy not to want to be too critical.
What @WAC posted wasn't that of one voting "for Trump over the alternative.'
It was mockery of those who don't agree with her.
She's drunk the Kool-Aid in a very, very short amount of time.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 08:56:49 pm
Wow. You got submerged in Kool-Aid fast! From just a few weeks ago, pondering whether you should vote for Trump (yeah, right), to a full scale war against rational thought on this forum.
It's a miracle!! You've been reborn, @WAC! Hallelujah!!
(And tattling at the same time. How cool is that??)
Oh, you weren't around for our conversations about Trump in which she called him the Great Deceiver and said he would ruin the country if elected. I suspect she's trying to drown out that knowledge with the fever of her newfound devotion.
I doubt it's happening, though. Not deep down.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 08:59:36 pm
The delegates should storm the stage and refuse to leave until a roll call vote on rules is taken.
I bet there are a lot more of them than there are security.
The problem is....the delegates are probably not that well organized. They need a leader to tell them what to do, I'm betting. (just a guess)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 19, 2016, 09:02:41 pm
Look - I'll say this one more time:
The delegates need to storm the stage. Bring up ALL the delegates who are demanding a roll call vote. Let themselves be seen. Make the GOP deny them to their faces.
Someone needs to grow a set of balls and lead a real grassroots revolution.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 09:02:54 pm
Oh, you weren't around for our conversations about Trump in which she called him the Great Deceiver and said he would ruin the country if elected. I suspect she's trying to drown out that knowledge with the fever of her newfound devotion.
I doubt it's happening, though. Not deep down.
I hope not.
But why the mockery of us? Why not stay on the sheltered thread in her safe space?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:04:28 pm
Quote
Dave Itzkoff on Twitter “Here is the RNC'a chief strategist citing My Little Pony to argue that Melania Trump did not plagiarize her speech https://t.co/eRifu41wHC”
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:04:47 pm
The delegates need to storm the stage. Bring up ALL the delegates who are demanding a roll call vote. Let themselves be seen. Make the GOP deny them to their faces.
Someone needs to grow a set of balls and lead a real grassroots revolution.
I'll second that
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 09:05:01 pm
Not going to begrudge converted Trump fans, especially during the convention.
That isn't the issue. Voting for Trump because you think he is the only way to beat Hillary is one thing. Spending your time berating and attacking and mocking conservatives and repeating lies from the Trump Side is another thing all together.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 09:09:50 pm
Sorry. "Big Cruz supporters" converted to mocking Trump devotees are troublesome.
It's not a reasoned process. It's an emotional swing of great proportion.
(At any rate, it was an attempted thread-hijack by WAC, so I'm not going to post further on the subject).
Will take a one term Trump presidency ( if he turns out to be that bad) over Hillary.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:10:34 pm
Mehmentum: Trumps flaccid anti-establishment takeover of the GOP (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/mehmentum-trumps-flaccid-antiestablishment-takeover-of-the-gop) The Republican Party has always been a conservative party during elections or when the specific issue was not in play – when the ball was dead – but they have been nothing more than a second liberal party when the rubber meets the road. Nothing has changed. - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/mehmentum-trumps-flaccid-antiestablishment-takeover-of-the-gop#sthash.eI9oEAtI.dpu
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 19, 2016, 09:11:08 pm
Good, they shouldn't. If the RNC isn't following their own rules, then why should the delegates? Chaos SHOULD ensue, IMO. Something should be done. Not just to stop Trump, either. The absolute over reach of the RNC, to PUSH their will on the people, has to stop somewhere. The representatives that are there to represent US, SHOULD do everything in their power, to exert their voice and be heard, IMO.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:13:52 pm
That isn't the issue. Voting for Trump because you think he is the only way to beat Hillary is one thing. Spending your time berating and attacking and mocking conservatives and repeating lies from the Trump Side is another thing all together.
Will concede this is not a perfect situation. There are two threads here and any analysis that could be imputed to be negative to Trump is being pulled from the official thread.
But management here is promoting both the open and official threads.
A decent solution for an imperfect situation. WAC probably just confused 'Open' with 'Official'
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:16:39 pm
A decent solution for an imperfect situation. WAC probably just confused 'Open' with 'Official'
Why is the censored and totalitarian thread called the "official" thread? That makes it sound like the official position of the board is to ban and remove the anti-Trump posts.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:19:54 pm
That isn't the issue. Voting for Trump because you think he is the only way to beat Hillary is one thing. Spending your time berating and attacking and mocking conservatives and repeating lies from the Trump Side is another thing all together.
I don't like people mocking people over politics, either way it goes. Period. That goes for both sides of this apparent civil war we have going on.
Mocking the opponent is a cheat.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:21:24 pm
"Oh My God, It's Full of Stars..." - Melania Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 09:23:13 pm
Why is the censored and totalitarian thread called the "official" thread? That makes it sound like the official position of the board is to ban and remove the anti-Trump posts.
We should not grouse about this. Lets celebrate TWO lanes of FREE SPEECH!!
Ain't gonna get that at TOS!!
Ironically, WAC left TOS, for not worshiping Trump enough during the primaries.
I say, let the Trump believers enjoy the convention.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 19, 2016, 09:25:28 pm
Why is the censored and totalitarian thread called the "official" thread? That makes it sound like the official position of the board is to ban and remove the anti-Trump posts.
I know that if I click the "Open" thread that's where the interesting conversation is.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RoosGirl on July 19, 2016, 09:26:11 pm
Astounding. They don't want us in their safe space, disrupting their Trumpsperience, but they just can't help themselves coming to this thread and generally being buttheads.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:26:32 pm
Someone cheated!!
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Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:27:24 pm
Watching CSPAN now and seeing Roll Call of States is coming up...
A lot of empty seats
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 09:28:13 pm
More reports from delegates about strong arm tactics.
Watching CSPAN now and seeing Roll Call of States is coming up...
A lot of empty seats
Hmm, I wonder if the norovirus/food poisoning issue may play into getting a quorum or having enough votes to count some States. I'm sure not but that is an unusual coincidence.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2016, 09:30:18 pm
That isn't the issue. Voting for Trump because you think he is the only way to beat Hillary is one thing. Spending your time berating and attacking and mocking conservatives and repeating lies from the Trump Side is another thing all together.
Well said. And EXACTLY the point.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 09:32:27 pm
Why is the censored and totalitarian thread called the "official" thread? That makes it sound like the official position of the board is to ban and remove the anti-Trump posts.
Because "The Glorious People's Republic of Trump Convention Thread" was too long to fit in the title section of the other thread. :pondering:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 09:33:18 pm
BREAKING: Donald Trump fires Melania for plagiarizing #MichelleObama speech, will hold swimsuit competition at #RNCinCLE to choose new wife<— Saint Toad, KSC LLAP (@sainttoad) July 19, 2016
OK, that's enough. You guys are being completely unfair to Melania.
So, to use a phrase Melania herself coined, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 09:37:10 pm
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Norovirus could turn the RNC into a sea of diarrhea and vomit https://t.co/jZJMkcbQP6 (https://t.co/jZJMkcbQP6) pic.twitter.com/g3GtOyLkJB (https://t.co/g3GtOyLkJB)</p>— VICE (@VICE) July 19, 2016 (https://twitter.com/VICE/status/755501338298114049)
So, to use a phrase Melania herself coined, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Applejack: Melania: "And it's always true. But Apple family cider is made with love and integrity, and only the highest quality apples in Equestria. Sorry, but that recipe takes time"
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 09:46:18 pm
Hey, hey! What are you tryin to do there, Pardner? Divide by zero or something?
Infinity!!!
Did I lose?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:46:45 pm
“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― Melania Trump on her betrothal
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:48:28 pm
So, they have the CA Vice Chair Hameet somethingerother and she's now singing in Arabic...and has a scarf over her head, saying a Sikh always covers her hair.
:wtf!:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 09:48:42 pm
They will record delegate votes the way the bosses want, regardless of empty seats or opposing opinions. Pathetic!
Ryan announced they will dispense with the roll call of the States and wouldn't allow anyone else to be put into nomination other than those who they deemed had sufficient support. Ie, a coronation, not a convention.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:55:14 pm
KPLC @KPLC7News DEVELOPING: Activists from Black Lives Matter, Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK throwing urine at each other>>http://bit.ly/29KaUI8
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ArneFufkin on July 19, 2016, 09:55:34 pm
So, they have the CA Vice Chair Hameet somethingerother and she's now singing in Arabic...and has a scarf over her head, saying a Sikh always covers her hair.
:wtf!:
Wouldn't she be singing in Punjabi?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 19, 2016, 09:55:39 pm
Only thing shocking about this convention so far is how boring it is. I should have known.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 19, 2016, 09:55:47 pm
Dave Itzkoff on Twitter “Here is the RNC'a chief strategist citing My Little Pony to argue that Melania Trump did not plagiarize her speech https://t.co/eRifu41wHC”
:silly: :silly: :silly:
@Crazieman In case you missed the ponies refrence. :beer: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jul/19/republican-convention-live-rnc-2016-trump?page=with:block-578e6720e4b03315dd821601#block-578e6720e4b03315dd821601 The alternative is that she actually plagarized My Little Pony. Maybe Trump is secretly a brony?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 09:56:28 pm
Still no talk about protecting and preserving the Constitution, limiting the size and scope of government, or maximizing and protecting individual liberty. Sounds more like describing a football season.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:56:35 pm
So, they have the CA Vice Chair Hameet somethingerother and she's now singing in Arabic...and has a scarf over her head, saying a Sikh always covers her hair.
:wtf!:
Punjabi, not Arabic, she is Sikh.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 09:57:51 pm
Sen. Jeff Sessions, needs to wipe Trumps **** off his chin.... :thud: AND his nose.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 09:58:06 pm
Ryan announced they will dispense with the roll call of the States and wouldn't allow anyone else to be put into nomination other than those who they deemed had sufficient support. Ie, a coronation, not a convention.
Not Smart. Cruz and Kasich should have been put . Give Ohio something . Sheesh.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 09:59:19 pm
Not Smart. Cruz and Kasich should have been put . Give Ohio something . Sheesh.
It is tradition that any candidate who has delegates is put up for nomination as an honor for their run and to recognize their delegates and voters. They are dispensing with that as well as the roll call if I understood Ryan correctly.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on July 19, 2016, 10:02:29 pm
Only thing shocking about this convention so far is how boring it is. I should have known.
I'm sorry, but I'm with Dana Loesch. I didn't watch last night so I don't know what music was played, but Loesch says its time to liven up the place and play some music that indicates not everyone in the hall is a Lawrence Welk fan. She proposed Guns and Roses "Welcome to the Jungle" with screeching bald eagles flying out over the place, and a monster light show. And if G&R or any other band protests the use of their music, tell them, "Too bad you licensed it" and shove it in their faces by playing more of it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 10:05:00 pm
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/blm-leader-shaun-king-coup-needed-if-trump-becomes-president (http://www.mrctv.org/blog/blm-leader-shaun-king-coup-needed-if-trump-becomes-president) BLM Leader Shaun King: Coup Needed If Trump Becomes President (http://www.mrctv.org/sites/default/files/uploads/Alissa/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-19%20at%209.55.21%20AM.png)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 10:05:09 pm
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/blm-leader-shaun-king-coup-needed-if-trump-becomes-president (http://www.mrctv.org/blog/blm-leader-shaun-king-coup-needed-if-trump-becomes-president) BLM Leader Shaun King: Coup Needed If Trump Becomes President (http://www.mrctv.org/sites/default/files/uploads/Alissa/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-19%20at%209.55.21%20AM.png)
Wasn't he the guy who was nominated for a best actor award for his work in playing a black man along with Rachel Dolezal.... who won for best actress in a roll playing a Black women?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 19, 2016, 10:09:19 pm
Ryan announced they will dispense with the roll call of the States and wouldn't allow anyone else to be put into nomination other than those who they deemed had sufficient support. Ie, a coronation, not a convention.
Ryan is reminding delegates now about the Rules for the Roll Call....and he's hushing the crowd.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 10:13:53 pm
Only Trump's name entered for nomination. Slap in the face to Ted Cruz and John Kasich.
And I am officially #NeverGOP
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:16:58 pm
They just allocated all of Alaska's delegates to Trump even though it is not a winner take all State and their voters didn't vote that way. Here were Alaska's results and delegate allocation:
Ted Cruz 36.4% 12 / 28 Donald Trump 33.5% 11 Marco Rubio 15.1% 5 Ben Carson 10.9% 0 John Kasich 4.1% 0 Jeb Bush 0% 0
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 10:17:34 pm
then they allocated all to Trump when the Secretary announced it.
So much for Will of the People
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 10:20:02 pm
I don't understand how they are accumulating the delegate count... It seems ONE representative is giving the total delegate votes, and they are all going to Trump.
Is this how it's supposed to be? How can a delegate withhold their vote then?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:21:03 pm
I don't understand how they are accumulating the delegate count... It seems ONE representative is giving the total delegate votes, and they are all going to Trump.
Is this how it's supposed to be? How can a delegate withhold their vote then?
Sounds like the Chair and state leaders are colluding
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 10:23:51 pm
Hearing these people announce their counts, and some are just a wee bit too excited.
Finally, some abstentions on voting.... :0001:
It's how it always is. They always start off with a big long speech on the pride(s) of their state, then they get to the vote numbers. Gotta have a chance to do their spiel.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 10:28:03 pm
They just allocated all of Alaska's delegates to Trump even though it is not a winner take all State and their voters didn't vote that way. Here were Alaska's results and delegate allocation:
Ted Cruz 36.4% 12 / 28 Donald Trump 33.5% 11 Marco Rubio 15.1% 5 Ben Carson 10.9% 0 John Kasich 4.1% 0 Jeb Bush 0% 0
I heard that! I thought I had misheard it. How does that work?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 10:28:47 pm
Jeremy Blosser (https://www.facebook.com/jerblosser?fref=nf)26 mins ·
Whips are now telling delegations they can just cast all their votes for Trump, no matter who they are pledged to. How's that for the will of the primary voters?
By the way: Told you so.
Follow up prediction: Any vote cast for Trump, that was pledged to someone else, will be recorded for Trump with no resistance from the stage. Any vote cast for someone other than Trump that wasn't pledged to Trump will at some point be recorded as a vote for Trump.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 10:29:14 pm
Concerning the firing of Roger Ailes:
Oliver DarcyVerified account @oliverdarcy
DRUDGE reporting exclusively that Greta, O’Reilly, Hannity, “Fox & Friends,” and “The Five” anchors have set meeting to discuss walkout...
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:29:53 pm
they just allocated all of DCs to Trump as well even though Trump did not win the State. The bound delegates and percent for DC are as follows;
Ted Cruz 19 delegates 41.5% Donald Trump 33.5% Marco Rubio 19%
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:31:07 pm
Jeremy Blosser (https://www.facebook.com/jerblosser?fref=nf)26 mins ·
Whips are now telling delegations they can just cast all their votes for Trump, no matter who they are pledged to. How's that for the will of the primary voters?
By the way: Told you so.
Follow up prediction: Any vote cast for Trump, that was pledged to someone else, will be recorded for Trump with no resistance from the stage. Any vote cast for someone other than Trump that wasn't pledged to Trump will at some point be recorded as a vote for Trump.
I thought they just had a big rules fight to say that delegates couldn't do that... I guess they can't do that unless it is the crowned establishment candidate.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 19, 2016, 10:31:16 pm
Why is the censored and totalitarian thread called the "official" thread? That makes it sound like the official position of the board is to ban and remove the anti-Trump posts.
The policeman/guard/owner of the "official" thread doesn't want anyone here except Trump lovers. I base that on her caustic comments when FR people would sign up and post. This is a split forum. Like you, I have friends here, so that person and several others are on Ignore. I contributed money, will rethink that for the future - second class citizen is not popular on my list to be. @CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:32:03 pm
The policeman/guard/owner of the "official" thread doesn't want anyone here except Trump lovers. I base that on her caustic comments when FR people would sign up and post. This is a split forum. Like you, I have friends here, so that person and several others are on Ignore. I contributed money, will rethink that for the future - second class citizen is not popular on my list to be. @CatherineofAragon
You got it wrong. We're a better class of losers! :beer:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 10:39:22 pm
@Crazieman In case you missed the ponies refrence. :beer: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jul/19/republican-convention-live-rnc-2016-trump?page=with:block-578e6720e4b03315dd821601#block-578e6720e4b03315dd821601 The alternative is that she actually plagarized My Little Pony. Maybe Trump is secretly a brony?
Hah! Yes I did see that.
King Orange says he only accepts the best! ;)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 10:40:20 pm
Erick Erickson @EWErickson 16m16 minutes ago
Just amazing watching the GOP willingly commit suicide tonight.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:41:33 pm
Delegate friend from Texas is posting to watch when Texas votes, there is going to be a big surprise.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 10:43:04 pm
Seemed like there was a gasp / groan in the Crowd.
Unless they have been involved in this before, they may not know about the tradition. You'll probably have several States pass so New York can cast the deciding vote.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: libertybele on July 19, 2016, 10:51:32 pm
Delegate friend from Texas is posting to watch when Texas votes, there is going to be a big surprise.
...hmmm at the rate things have been going -- even though delegate majority went to Cruz and he won TX -- it will go to Trump. No surprise. We no longer have a voice, a vote, or a chance to restore our Republic.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 19, 2016, 10:52:36 pm
...hmmm at the rate things have been going -- even though delegate majority went to Cruz and he won TX -- it will go to Trump. No surprise. We no longer have a voice, a vote, or a chance to restore our Republic.
She didn't say it was a good surprise. She has been posting live on facebook as this is going on and is as shocked about some of the allocation as we are- re bound delegates being allocated to candidates they aren't bound to.
If they didn't pass the rule saying they couldn't do that, it wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:54:43 pm
Per AP, Carson had one bound from Nevada and he wasn't awarded that (rest of the numbers seemed correct)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 10:55:12 pm
New York will likely pass until the end.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Lando Lincoln on July 19, 2016, 10:55:37 pm
She didn't say it was a good surprise. She has been posting live on facebook as this is going on and is as shocked about some of the allocation as we are- re bound delegates being allocated to candidates they aren't bound to.
If they didn't pass the rule saying they couldn't do that, it wouldn't be an issue.
Rules? Trump don need no steenken rules!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Victoria33 on July 19, 2016, 10:57:27 pm
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: L9teen on July 19, 2016, 11:01:50 pm
So much for any "furious" delegates or anything upsetting this whole sham.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:03:41 pm
I'll be working on some new graphics and these will work even if a meteorite manages to wipe out all democrats and give Trump his only real shot at the white house.
(http://i.imgur.com/KSRS81U.jpg)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:04:09 pm
So much for any "furious" delegates or anything upsetting this whole sham.
They cut off any other candidates from being formally being put into nomination. There have been a few cases where they cut off other mics and had awkward pauses when something went on. I think we are just not seeing objections or attempts to make statements.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 19, 2016, 11:05:15 pm
I'll be working on some new graphics and these will work even if a meteorite manages to wipe out all democrats and give Trump his only real shot at the white house.
(http://i.imgur.com/KSRS81U.jpg)
How about a graphic with Strange Woman lying in ponds distributing swords 2016
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:05:18 pm
The Texas 'surprise' may not be a good one. Cryptic comment implying Dan Patrick is doing something about it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 19, 2016, 11:05:45 pm
I'm not watching either. I'm just going to focus on 2020.
Four years from now. Do you really think we're going to see another election?? Given what has just happened to you really think ANY vote matters? The fix was in from the beginning for both Clinton and Trump; one in the same.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 19, 2016, 11:07:03 pm
What I don't understand is why people can't see the disaster avalanche rumbling downhill at us.
No one believed Cassandra, either.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:12:32 pm
Ted Cruz was right, we don't have two parties.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 19, 2016, 11:14:16 pm
Posted on Twitter: "FRAUD! FRAUD! @FoxNews Report the fraud of bound delegate voting!"
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 11:14:26 pm
Weren't all of Trump's kids registered to other (non-Republican) parties? How is one of them a member of the NY Republican delegation?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 19, 2016, 11:14:32 pm
Anyone looking to political parties, this government, or their courts to preserve and protect the Constitution and the liberty bequeathed to us from our Forbears, are looking in the wrong place and will end up slaves or dead in the near future.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:15:27 pm
No one is holding a gun to your head. Don't read it if you can't emotionally handle the truth.
What truth? I've pretty much resigned myself to Hillary as next President. If Trump surprises me, good on him. :shrug:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 19, 2016, 11:21:03 pm
I was planning on pulling the lever for Trump even though I completely despise him, but what has transpired at the convention the last couple of days made me change my mind. I am sick of the corruption. It is pretty obvious to me that Trump has been a stalking horse for Hillary all along anyway.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 11:21:30 pm
The poll was conducted by P.M.I., with 424 respondents randomly called from a file of 11,000 likely GOP primary voters. It shows that with one month remaining before Wisconsin’s August 9th vote, Ryan is polling at 43 percent.
Ryan’s challenger, Wisconsin businessman Paul Nehlen, is polling at 32 percent.
The Nehlen campaign notes that Ryan’s 43 percent “represents a drop of more than 30 points since the Nehlen campaign began polling likely Republican primary voters earlier in the year.”
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 19, 2016, 11:21:45 pm
Sometimes this place is like the TOS.. The best thing to do is vote GOP Down ticket, which I'm planning on doing.
The GOP down ticket cronies are who got us into this mess. THEY are as much to blame as the Orange Blossom himself. Who do you think is leading these phony delegations.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:21:58 pm
The first speaker from New York introduced him as a member of the delegation. Small point, was just curious, probably not worth pursuing.
Semantics. The delegation doesn't just include authorized delegates but alternate delegates and special guests. A delegation is everyone in that State's group. Only delegates (per the State's rules) have votes but they aren't the only ones on the floor for the State.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:22:07 pm
Having one now. I'm concluding the second day of my two-week vacation. Good, bad, ugly, I don't care I'm just kicking back because this part is over. More battles to come shortly. But now...
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:23:26 pm
Man I gotta read this bellyaching all night? Calm down people. We all knew Trump was the nominee.
This place is a real bummer sometimes.
Most of us fully expected Trump to be the nominee.
If you're bothered by people venting, you're going to be downright suicidal watching him lose to clinton.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 19, 2016, 11:24:03 pm
There's not room on this forum for two characters from Lord of the Rings! That's all I know! :chairbang:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 11:25:05 pm
Walter Shapiro @MrWalterShapiro 3m3 minutes ago This is the moment when usually a motion is made to make the nomination unanimous. I guess they don't want to risk the "no" chorus.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 19, 2016, 11:25:14 pm
Semantics. The delegation doesn't just include authorized delegates but alternate delegates and special guests. A delegation is everyone in that State's group. Only delegates (per the State's rules) have votes but they aren't the only ones on the floor for the State.
Thanks for explaining! ^-^
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:25:23 pm
The poll was conducted by P.M.I., with 424 respondents randomly called from a file of 11,000 likely GOP primary voters. It shows that with one month remaining before Wisconsin’s August 9th vote, Ryan is polling at 43 percent.
Ryan’s challenger, Wisconsin businessman Paul Nehlen, is polling at 32 percent.
The Nehlen campaign notes that Ryan’s 43 percent “represents a drop of more than 30 points since the Nehlen campaign began polling likely Republican primary voters earlier in the year.”
The poll was paid for by Nehlen. PMI conducts so few polls that Nate Silver doesn't even rate them on his Pollster rankings.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 19, 2016, 11:29:10 pm
****cute kitty
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:30:34 pm
OK, here is what I'm reading on the allocation issue and why some weren't allocated the way they were bound. What they wanted to do was have NY cast not just the deciding vote, but exactly 1237 so they played with a couple of States allocation ahead of time and then with the couple of passes, NY gave Trump exactly to the 1237 mark.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ArneFufkin on July 19, 2016, 11:31:18 pm
OK, here is what I'm reading on the allocation issue and why some weren't allocated the way they were bound. What they wanted to do was have NY cast not just the deciding vote, but exactly 1237 so they played with a couple of States allocation ahead of time and then with the couple of passes, NY gave Trump exactly to the 1237 mark.
Isn't that special?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:34:30 pm
Walter Shapiro @MrWalterShapiro 3m3 minutes ago This is the moment when usually a motion is made to make the nomination unanimous. I guess they don't want to risk the "no" chorus.
no matter how loud the NO's, they will say it was unanimous
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:34:43 pm
This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause - Melania Trump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: kevindavis007 on July 19, 2016, 11:35:27 pm
Cantor's polling was being conducted by John McLaughlin, a pollster with a horrible reputation, whom Trump has hired to Poll New York. And, of course, he has Trump tied in New York with Hillary.
Which is laughable.
I have no idea who Remain is.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:37:21 pm
I was 100% wrong when I wrote here last year that he was on a vanity mission and wouldn't last.
Now, let's go beat Hillary!
I usually agree with you, Arne, but not this time.
Trump isn't going to beat Hillary because his entire purpose was to get her elected. He sucked all the air out of the room when we had a lot of good Conservative choices and some honorable people to choose from. The media (leftist, of course) aided and abetted him because it's their dream to have Hillary back in the WH, and enough foolish people fell for his lies and now we are losing our party to a liberal, corrupt, vile Democrat, and there's no way I'd congratulate him on this pseudo-victory.
He's going to keep fouling up on purpose and giving the left ammunition so his buddies Bill and Hillary can regain power.
This is a tragic moment in time. The Republican party now stands for NOTHING. There's not a thing left to support in the party I once was proud to be a member of.
Sad days.......
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:39:50 pm
Why a lot of people here are not voting for Trump.. Like me.. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
The older I get the more loudly my conscience yells at me to do what I believe is right. Plus I don't think I can sell my maker on the idea of lesser evil being better than a worse evil. :shrug:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 19, 2016, 11:40:09 pm
Cantor's polling was being conducted by John McLaughlin, a pollster with a horrible reputation, whom Trump has hired to Poll New York. And, of course, he has Trump tied in New York with Hillary.
so much wasted time arguing about bound and unbound when it never mattered, the chair decides where your vote goes
Exactly. They made a huge deal about the rules and not changing from what they were bound yet they did it anyway for the WWE like show and symbolism. It shows the rule fight they made was just for show.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 19, 2016, 11:41:28 pm
Constitutional Conservatism is no longer relevant in his party or the nation.
It has been redefined to meet both Trump and the Oligarchy Establishment's definition of "better run"giant bloated government and an all-powerful safe police state that is nationalistic and protectionist per the whims of a demagogue running for monarch.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 19, 2016, 11:42:53 pm
Four years from now. Do you really think we're going to see another election?? Given what has just happened to you really think ANY vote matters? The fix was in from the beginning for both Clinton and Trump; one in the same.
I understand your points and part of me feels the same way. But I'm not ready to give up completely. We said the same thing in 2008 and in 2012 about no future elections.
But yes...the GOP like a crime mob; they're expert at fixing things. It IS becoming harder and harder for our votes to count.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:45:20 pm
Watching the Tigers/Twins game now. I'll be keeping an eye on the baseball thread.
No interest in the CONvention aside from the Ted Cruz speech.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 19, 2016, 11:45:39 pm
OK, here is what I'm reading on the allocation issue and why some weren't allocated the way they were bound. What they wanted to do was have NY cast not just the deciding vote, but exactly 1237 so they played with a couple of States allocation ahead of time and then with the couple of passes, NY gave Trump exactly to the 1237 mark.
So in other words,mother GOP/RNC wanted to preserve NY values right along with those of Hillary.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 19, 2016, 11:49:38 pm
The older I get the more loudly my conscience yells at me to do what I believe is right. Plus I don't think I can sell my maker on the idea of lesser evil being better than a worse evil. :shrug:
I'm sure I'm well younger than you, but I completely agree. I started cynical in the past decade more and more. Maybe it was because I was so involved in politics early on (my grandfather worked for Reagan and my family has always been involved with the Republican party) at 18, the first election I could vote was the first election to get out, knock on doors, and volunteer in call centers. In my first election, 1992, I stood at the front row of a Bill Clinton rally wearing a Bush/Quayle T-Shirt for the cameras (I was a rebellious little bugger). I was an alternate delegate in 2000 and 04 and even got a media pass in 04 to photograph for the State party.
But all that made my cynical as I saw how it worked. To me, Trump is the culmination of this- it is the manipulation of the masses to give the government more and more power. It is all big business and no matter how much he sold himself as an outsider, I see him like the T-Mobile CEO pretending to be a rebel with his pink shirts but he is just the same-old-same-old under that. Trump saw a trend and he got in front of it but he can't be trusted to do anything he says because he has shown his word means nothing.
Worse, I see this as a big step towards an authoritarian Republican party that cares more about using the hammer of the government to force their way than to actually limit government and maximize individual freedom. When some say there is no difference in the parties, while in many ways they are wrong, on the important matter of the power of the State, they is very little difference-- the policies may be different but the direction is the same- more government less liberty.
I still watch all of this out of the pure sport of the matter, but the party has lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them.
---that's my rant, go have some coffee now after reading my boring rant--
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 11:49:58 pm
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 19, 2016, 11:55:55 pm
You can't have it both ways. You complained about being censored on the other thread so you started this one, this "open" thread...
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:55:59 pm
At this point, what difference does it make- Paul Ryan quoting Melina Trump.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 19, 2016, 11:56:34 pm
Quote
But all that made my cynical as I saw how it worked. To me, Trump is the culmination of this- it is the manipulation of the masses to give the government more and more power. It is all big business and no matter how much he sold himself as an outsider, I see him like the T-Mobile CEO pretending to be a rebel with his pink shirts but he is just the same-old-same-old under that. Trump saw a trend and he got in front of it but he can't be trusted to do anything he says because he has shown his word means nothing.
This, 1000 times this.
The man could never get more than about 38% of the vote with people who wanted to vote for him and the majority of those were chaos democrats. The GOP enabled it because he was their only legitimate chance of holding on to their intraparty power.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 19, 2016, 11:56:37 pm
I'm sure I'm well younger than you, but I completely agree. I started cynical in the past decade more and more. Maybe it was because I was so involved in politics early on (my grandfather worked for Reagan and my family has always been involved with the Republican party) at 18, the first election I could vote was the first election to get out, knock on doors, and volunteer in call centers. In my first election, 1992, I stood at the front row of a Bill Clinton rally wearing a Bush/Quayle T-Shirt for the cameras (I was a rebellious little bugger). I was an alternate delegate in 2000 and 04 and even got a media pass in 04 to photograph for the State party.
But all that made my cynical as I saw how it worked. To me, Trump is the culmination of this- it is the manipulation of the masses to give the government more and more power. It is all big business and no matter how much he sold himself as an outsider, I see him like the T-Mobile CEO pretending to be a rebel with his pink shirts but he is just the same-old-same-old under that. Trump saw a trend and he got in front of it but he can't be trusted to do anything he says because he has shown his word means nothing.
Worse, I see this as a big step towards an authoritarian Republican party that cares more about using the hammer of the government to force their way than to actually limit government and maximize individual freedom. When some say there is no difference in the parties, while in many ways they are wrong, on the important matter of the power of the State, they is very little difference-- the policies may be different but the direction is the same- more government less liberty.
I still watch all of this out of the pure sport of the matter, but the party has lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them.
---that's my rant, go have some coffee now after reading my boring rant--
goopo
We are not alone. Though each of our experiences is slightly different, and our ages as well, we are all experiencing the same grief and loss of something we once cared about.
The Trump gloaters really need to think about the quality of people they are just throwing into the garbage can. We're not going to be replaced by bozos who are in love with a fascist-wannabe and hate everyone who isn't white.
They're not going to be able to get the job done, and they don't care.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 19, 2016, 11:57:15 pm
I usually agree with you, Arne, but not this time.
Trump isn't going to beat Hillary because his entire purpose was to get her elected. He sucked all the air out of the room when we had a lot of good Conservative choices and some honorable people to choose from. The media (leftist, of course) aided and abetted him because it's their dream to have Hillary back in the WH, and enough foolish people fell for his lies and now we are losing our party to a liberal, corrupt, vile Democrat, and there's no way I'd congratulate him on this pseudo-victory.
He's going to keep fouling up on purpose and giving the left ammunition so his buddies Bill and Hillary can regain power.
This is a tragic moment in time. The Republican party now stands for NOTHING. There's not a thing left to support in the party I once was proud to be a member of.
Sad days.......
I wish there was a LIKE button!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 19, 2016, 11:57:39 pm
There are people and States calling for an Article V Convention.
If this doesn't scare them out of that notion, nothing will.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 19, 2016, 11:58:40 pm
You know, I've never put you on ignore because I had hope you'd turn back into a decent person, but I'm beginning to lose hope.
You're just acting like a jerk. No one is going to censor you because YOU are the one who demands censorship.
Somewhere deep down inside you know the truth, and it has to be burning a hole in you that you're denying it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 19, 2016, 11:59:50 pm
I feel sorry for all the delegates who got involved thinking they would be able to make a difference, put in hard work, raised money or spent their own and took vacation time for as trip to Cleveland to be delegates only to learn that they have zero input or impact on the outcome and their votes aren't even their own.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 12:00:29 am
Exactly. They made a huge deal about the rules and not changing from what they were bound yet they did it anyway for the WWE like show and symbolism. It shows the rule fight they made was just for show.
It shows that they were lying about what the fight was about (which we knew). I wasn't about delegates. It was about crushing the grassroots and keeping GOP-e favoring primaries as is.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: libertybele on July 20, 2016, 12:01:03 am
I understand your points and part of me feels the same way. But I'm not ready to give up completely. We said the same thing in 2008 and in 2012 about no future elections.
But yes...the GOP like a crime mob; they're expert at fixing things. It IS becoming harder and harder for our votes to count.
IMHO whether Clinton is elected or Trump is elected the outcome will be the same. The Constitution doesn't matter to either one of them, they will tilt the Supreme Court to the left. Our borders will remain open, ISIS will be rampant in our country due to mass Muslim immigration, amnesty will be granted to illegals giving the liberals/DEM millions more in voting power. The 2nd amendment will no longer be relevant, giving the masses no way to defend themselves against a tyranyst government. The primary process has proven to be irrelevant and grossly corrupt. The GOP just died. 2020 will be a repeat of what we just witnessed at best.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 12:01:47 am
It shows the fight wasn't about delegates (which we knew). It was about crushing the grassroots and keeping GOP-e favoring primary rules as is.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:01:51 am
At least 3 other States are due contested counts if they are so willing (I can't remember them, but go back up thread to see which ones as they were called). Alaska wasn't the only one who had their delegates misallocated. Utah did as well that I remember.
Let's see if they file a formal contest like Alaska did. If anything, it will be a nice exposure of how this works.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 20, 2016, 12:01:57 am
At least 3 other States are due contested counts if they are so willing (I can't remember them, but go back up thread to see which ones as they were called). Alaska wasn't the only one who had their delegates misallocated. Utah did as well that I remember.
Let's see if they file a formal contest like Alaska did. If anything, it will be a nice exposure of how this works.
I think Iowa was miscounted as well.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:04:54 am
It shows that they were lying about what the fight was about (which we knew). I wasn't about delegates. It was about crushing the grassroots and keeping GOP-e favoring primaries as is.
Exactly, and let's say that Trump wins, he has already promised to compromise and deal so this is like the DC establishment pulling the 'see what happens when you rise up, we will rule either way...'.
A good reminder, William F Buckley warned us EXACTLY about this all the way back in 2000, even saying it would be Trump, even saying what theme he would use, and predicting it would destroy the Republican party as we know it.
It shows that they were lying about what the fight was about (which we knew). I wasn't about delegates. It was about crushing the grassroots and keeping GOP-e favoring primaries as is.
It was a clear message to conservative grassroots activists. Regardless of what we do, it is the establishment with all of their power and money that will prevail. The Washington cartel is so powerful and so corrupt that they will NOT be fractured; not even for a moment. The electoral process is nothing but a joke. I believe we are no longer a democracy within a Republic. We have become a banana republic.
As Cruz pointed out; those who bolstered Trump will bear that responsibility going forward. No truer words were ever spoken.
#NeverTrump
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:07:43 am
Lather, Rinse Prebius, and Repeat.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:09:05 am
Wow, see what they did there.
Ryan refused to allow any other candidates names to be put into nomination > that caused reallocation of delegates from several states to go to Trump even though they were bound for other candidates.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 12:09:12 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnxC_ttWcAAUm3-.jpg)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 12:09:36 am
Well this place will be a foul mood for the rest of the week I take it?
No. What is happening right now is an in-your face to the RNC. People are mad about Trump. I'm mad about Trump.
But I'm not voting for the sonofabitch, and I'm continuing my #NeverTrump crusade. But I can understand some blowing off steam tonight, so we'll make allowances for that.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 20, 2016, 12:13:33 am
The GOP and RNC bozos, not unlike the Trump mafia, are frauds. I'll have nothing to do with any of them.
I had a GOP candidate come to my door today. I asked if he was for or against Trump. He refused to answer. I said buy loser and closed the door.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:13:40 am
No. What is happening right now is an in-your face to the RNC. People are mad about Trump. I'm mad about Trump.
But I'm not voting for the sonofabitch, and I'm continuing my #NeverTrump crusade. But I can understand some blowing off steam tonight, so we'll make allowances for that.
Ditto to a point. I'm not depressed, I'm slightly amused watching the game.
I will continue to call out anyone who goes against the Constitution, limited government, and individual freedom- no matter what letter is on their jersey.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 20, 2016, 12:16:03 am
Exactly, and let's say that Trump wins, he has already promised to compromise and deal so this is like the DC establishment pulling the 'see what happens when you rise up, we will rule either way...'.
A good reminder, William F Buckley warned us EXACTLY about this all the way back in 2000, even saying it would be Trump, even saying what theme he would use, and predicting it would destroy the Republican party as we know it.
I don't know this Arne person but he is the one no longer relevant as he is in my Ignore box. @CatherineofAragon
He used to be a nice person who would never say something that nasty to a lot of respectable people.
Trump really does change people from nice to just plain mean.
And it seems to happen very fast. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 12:20:13 am
Looks like the alt right of twitter are celebrating about as expected.
Within the last hour I've been threatened with hanging, gassing, burned alive and at least one possible gay sex act. Another volunteered to be my mohel and finish the job (I'm not Jewish) so I can't breed any more "Judenrats". Another threatened to deport me to Israel (Ok, it wasn't a great threat)
:silly:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 20, 2016, 12:20:41 am
Is it just me, or does the whole Trump Pence thing remind you of Tuppence, British slang for a paltry sum? (maybe I read too much Dickens)
Yeah........ but you can feed the birds with it.....
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 20, 2016, 12:21:11 am
So, Trump, the guy who rode into Tombstone on a horse named "we need some new blood and change in Washington" with a head wind made up of anger at the political status quo of the establishment is the establishment's tool to beat down grass root conservatives seeking to take power from the dreaded GOPe?
What in the f#%}Inc world is going on here?
No one really knows who the bleep this guy is, or what he stands for, and we're about to nominate him as the GOP candidate.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:22:25 am
So, Trump, the guy who rode into Tombstone on a horse named "we need some new blood and change in Washington" with a head wind made up of anger at the political status quo of the establishment is the establishment's tool to beat down grass root conservatives seeking to take power from the dreaded GOPe?
What in the f#%}Inc world is going on here?
No one really knows who the bleep this guy is, or what he stands for, and we're about to nominate him as the GOP candidate.
Twilight Zone time.........
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 12:23:42 am
Where have you gone Frank Cannon? A forum turns it's lonely eyes to you...
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: libertybele on July 20, 2016, 12:24:11 am
So, Trump, the guy who rode into Tombstone on a horse named "we need some new blood and change in Washington" with a head wind made up of anger at the political status quo of the establishment is the establishment's tool to beat down grass root conservatives seeking to take power from the dreaded GOPe?
What in the f#%}Inc world is going on here?
No one really knows who the bleep this guy is, or what he stands for, and we're about to nominate him as the GOP candidate.
We just witnessed a political coup.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 20, 2016, 12:26:44 am
A lot of things just became "no longer relevant" Arne.
That's not a good thing.
This is very, very true Luis.
While the GOP is no longer relevant to me, what has been made irrelevant of late is much larger than just my disassociation with a corrupt party in league with the Democrats.
The Constitution itself is no longer 'relevant'.
Christian Conservative Constitutionalists are no longer 'relevant'
Our religious heritage is no longer 'relevant'.
Grass roots activism is no longer 'relevant' (it was eradicated yesterday).
The Rule of Law is no longer 'relevant'.
Liberty itself is no longer 'relevant'.
Trump has made any opposition irrelevant and made everything about himself.
The only thing that is now relevant is the State and the Oligarchy that made it supreme. Everything else has just been made irrelevant.
There is no civil recourse to this, because what is relevant is that these mobs and the state they have empowered will have their guns to your head and those of your children to impose it's will if you refuse to comply with whatever it decides you will do.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 20, 2016, 12:27:49 am
Jeff Sessions looked like a goofball today. Tired of playing junior Senator to a Democrat turned Republican he sold out to someone who made him seem relevant.
He will NEVER get my vote again in Alabama.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 20, 2016, 12:29:14 am
Looks like the alt right of twitter are celebrating about as expected.
Within the last hour I've been threatened with hanging, gassing, burned alive and at least one possible gay sex act. Another volunteered to be my mohel and finish the job (I'm not Jewish) so I can't breed any more "Judenrats". Another threatened to deport me to Israel (Ok, it wasn't a great threat)
I've been reading the same and worse.
History teaches that mobs of morons like that who vaunt a man to be king often act out on their threats to do harm to those who will not seig-heil with them their dear leader.
Trump and his mobs of fanatics will prove to be the more immediate threat and danger to yours than anything coming from Hillary.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 12:29:18 am
I was 100% wrong when I wrote here last year that he was on a vanity mission and wouldn't last.
Now, let's go beat Hillary!
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:30:02 am
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
You can go to hell too.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:35:56 am
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Early each day to the steps of Cleveland The little old orange man comes In his own special way to the establishment he calls Come, buy my bags full of promises Come buy the little people, show them you care And you'll be glad if you do Their young ones are hungry Their values are so bare All it takes is Trump Pence from you Buy the people, Trump Pence in the bag, Trump Pence, Trump Pence, Trump Pence in the bag Buy the people that's what he cries While overhead, his hot air fills the skies All around the convention the delegates and media Look down as he sells his promises Although you can't see it, you know they are smiling Each time someone says that he cares Though his words are simple and few Listen, listen, he's calling to you Buy the people, Trump Pence in the bag Trump Pence, Trump Pence, Trump Pence in the bag Though his words are simple and few Listen, listen, she's calling to you Buy the people, Trump Pence in the bag Trump Pence, Trump Pence, Trump Pence in the bag
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 12:35:58 am
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
Gonna join your compatriots on Twitter and roam the countryside fantasizing killing Conservatives that won't bend the knee to your prince because we are 'deadly' and 'toxic' to the country???
You people are outing yourselves to be the very real danger and threat to anyone who will not seig-heil your prince.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 12:37:19 am
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
And there you have it, right out in the open.
Thanks for the honesty.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 12:39:52 am
It shows that they were lying about what the fight was about (which we knew). I wasn't about delegates. It was about crushing the grassroots and keeping GOP-e favoring primaries as is.
Yep! You conservatives can go straight to hell!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 12:40:19 am
Just listen to these delegates. They sure don't act as if they have their heart in this.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 12:41:59 am
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
#NeverTrump will be deadly to Donald Trump. That's all that matters at this point.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: austingirl on July 20, 2016, 12:42:10 am
No. What is happening right now is an in-your face to the RNC. People are mad about Trump. I'm mad about Trump.
But I'm not voting for the sonofabitch, and I'm continuing my #NeverTrump crusade. But I can understand some blowing off steam tonight, so we'll make allowances for that.
I'm even more mad at the GOPe than I am Trump! They can both go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Gov Bean Counter on July 20, 2016, 12:43:58 am
I'm sure I'm well younger than you, but I completely agree. I started cynical in the past decade more and more. Maybe it was because I was so involved in politics early on But all that made my cynical as I saw how it worked.
To me, Trump is the culmination of this- it is the manipulation of the masses to give the government more and more power.
Worse, I see this as a big step towards an authoritarian Republican party that cares more about using the hammer of the government to force their way than to actually limit government and maximize individual freedom. ...the party has lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them.
Your above comments are exactly mine. I gave ten years of service to our county and state party, did it for free, and now I am 83, so way older than you. The party has also lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them, just as you said.
I know Trump is dangerous, more dangerous than Clinton, and if he wins, I will live my life without knowing what he is doing. Do not plan to follow what he does. I will live my life well regardless of whether it is him or her. CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 12:46:53 am
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
Except it's not just an emotional tantrum. Believe me, I've had emotional tantrums, so I know what I'm talking about.
We have one thing in common: our mutual dislike of Hillary Clinton. The difference is that your side of the argument is willing to support literally any person as the Republican nominee without regard to his qualifications, and are willing to manufacture their own qualifications. Read the stuff Mechanicos posts, for example: even a sane Trump supporter can't defend it.
We on this side of the argument, on the other hand, aren't willing to jump out of the frying pan that is Clinton and into the fire that is Donald Trump. I mean, the dirt both we and the Clinton campaign (as much as we despise them) have on Trump, most of it isn't distortion, manipulation or anything else—it's things he's saying right in his Twitter feed and right in front of the cameras, for the whole world to see. Not only that, but it's what his supporters are saying about silencing opponents. Most of us who could be classified as "neverTrump" believe that not only do you have to simply beat Clinton, but the guy (or gal) we're voting for has to be better than both Clinton and Barack Obama. I have a hard time thinking that Donald Trump is any better, and it shouldn't be hard to see why—and for this reason we're very discouraged at the thought that either Trump or Clinton, barring some miraculous come-from-behind surge from Gary Johnson, is going to be our next President, when several saner candidates were able and willing.
aligncare, you live in New York. You've seen this state's politics: the corruption runs rampant, and the prosecutions are piling up faster than orders at the Carnegie Deli on Hanukkah. You should know that nothing good can come out of this state politically. Donald Trump was part of this system: he's been friendly with the Clintons, appeared with them numerous times, and of course the pay-for-play donations are public record.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 12:51:59 am
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 12:52:06 am
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staff on the floor taking yellow hats from delegates unbound supporters, grabbing them out of our hands. Was told they aren't authorized - Texas delegate
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 20, 2016, 12:52:55 am
I notice the reaction you're getting. How does it feel to be on the other side of the political divide?
I mean, how do you argue against an emotional tantrum? That's what baffles us who wish to see Hillary Clinton vanquished. At this point we have our nominee, and so #NeverTrump is beyond toxic to America's future -- they are deadly.
Hey pal I've held my tongue for a long long time but you are a real piece of defective work. You are nasty, obnoxious, and quite frankly one of the dumbest advocates for any candidate I have had the misfortune to run across. Please I beg you, continue to post here and on any forum where even a few intelligent people may reside because you will do more to further the election of Hilliary than even Trump can do. Your gift of nastiness should not be wasted on just us...pass it along
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 12:54:49 am
Your above comments are exactly mine. I gave ten years of service to our county and state party, did it for free, and now I am 83, so way older than you. The party has also lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them, just as you said.
I know Trump is dangerous, more dangerous than Clinton, and if he wins, I will live my life without knowing what he is doing. Do not plan to follow what he does. I will live my life well regardless of whether it is him or her. CatherineofAragon
#Victoria33
Same here. I'll bear no responsibility for electing either of these disasters. That train can steam right on without me.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 01:00:29 am
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not mad. I'm sitting back and enjoying the circus. It's hysterical.
Folks are going to get what they asked for....in spades.
I'm looking forward to the double whammy. First he's going to pivot to the "center" (The muslim cleric giving the closing prayer tonight is a sign of what's to come)
And then comes the realization that Clinton is going to hand his butt to him by double digits.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 01:01:37 am
Hey pal I've held my tongue for a long long time but you are a real piece of defective work. You are nasty, obnoxious, and quite frankly one of the dumbest advocates for any candidate I have had the misfortune to run across. Please I beg you, continue to post here and on any forum where even a few intelligent people may reside because you will do more to further the election of Hilliary than even Trump can do. Your gift of nastiness should not be wasted on just us...pass it along
Pay no mind to him. He has terminal Trump Rot of the brain.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:03:44 am
Philip Rucker @PhilipRucker 7m7 minutes ago Tonight’s theme is “Make America Work Again,” as in economy. Speeches so far: Benghazi! Emails! Benghazi! Sexual abuse! Benghazi!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: don-o on July 20, 2016, 01:05:59 am
"Gender justice?"
Here we go.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:10:46 am
McConnell: still nothing about Making America work again.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:10:58 am
Boos again as McConnell takes the floor, but loud cheers trying to drown them out #RNCinCLE
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:11:39 am
AJ Spiker @AJSpiker 2h2 hours ago Is @GOP really gonna nominate someone who says women are ugly, fat, bleeding from wherever, look good on knees? Its like attending a funeral
Steve Deace @SteveDeaceShow 3h3 hours ago No Republican has won the White House without VA since Reconstruction. And GOP alienated that delegation today.
Brilliant!
Erick Erickson @EWErickson 3h3 hours ago The GOP had one job this year — stopping Hillary. Instead, they’re handing her the White House by nominating her friend and donor, Trump.
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 2h2 hours ago I hope you're happy, Trump enthusiasts. Because what comes next is all on you. ALL OF IT.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:14:33 am
Oh wow.. Mitch says Trump will eliminate the Zika virus.
Praise Orange Jesus oops, I'm not supposed to say that.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:14:41 am
I'm looking forward to the double whammy. First he's going to pivot to the "center" (The muslim cleric giving the closing prayer tonight is a sign of what's to come)
And then comes the realization that Clinton is going to hand his butt to him by double digits.
Yep, the Muslim cleric and the very recent news that Trump has "pivoted" on the Muslim ban. *giggle*
Four months are left, and the ride gets rougher here on out.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:16:12 am
This crowd needs some amphetamines. They're FLAT!!!
I've noticed that too. I didn't know if it was actually the crowd versus simply the mic placement and gain, but when they pan the crowd, over half are on their phone texting or looking for Pokemon.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 20, 2016, 01:23:24 am
Oh, remember that, because I don't want to hear one peep out of you if Trump loses blaming #NeverTrump for "failing to support him and ensuring a Hillary victory."
I'll be bookmarking this post.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 20, 2016, 01:25:29 am
On the contrary, he is the poster child for Trump. He needs to get out there and show everyone exactly what a true Trump supporter is. Obviously he will only need to speak a few words and others will support of his candidate..
The man has a gift that normal people don't often see, it needs to be shared.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: politicalwit on July 20, 2016, 01:25:51 am
History teaches that mobs of morons like that who vaunt a man to be king often act out on their threats to do harm to those who will not seig-heil with them their dear leader.
Trump and his mobs of fanatics will prove to be the more immediate threat and danger to yours than anything coming from Hillary.
Yep.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 20, 2016, 01:32:11 am
Let's see you get that bastard elected without me and a few million of my friends!
I'm with ya bud. Darrell Castle will get my vote.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:34:20 am
Matthew Continetti @continetti Imagine you are an 18 year old watching Donald Trump being named the GOP nominee for president. Would you ever take this party seriously?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: politicalwit on July 20, 2016, 01:34:50 am
Whatever ditz it was speaking just before the loathsome McConnell.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:37:32 am
Well if the Democrat convention goes as planned, the two major choices will be a New York Liberal with a D behind her name versus a New York Liberal with a R behind his name.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 20, 2016, 01:38:29 am
You're a GENIUS, AbaraXas! May I keep this?? May I use this??? Pretty please???? :0001:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 01:39:23 am
Paul Ryan Delivers Impassioned 10-Minute Pained Facial Expression (http://www.theonion.com/article/paul-ryan-delivers-impassioned-10-minute-pained-fa-53251?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing)
Well if the Democrat convention goes as planned, the two major choices will be a New York Liberal with a D behind her name versus a New York Liberal with a R behind his name.
Commie-Con
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 01:39:42 am
Matthew Continetti @continetti Imagine you are an 18 year old watching Donald Trump being named the GOP nominee for president. Would you ever take this party seriously?
Not unless they have Daddy Issues.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:40:42 am
Jeff B/DDHQ @EsotericCD That's right--that's VDARE on the tweet-ticker inside the GOP convention hall in Cleveland. Up next: Ricky Vaughn.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnxVY33XgAAKkO_.jpg)
White nationalists make the GOP Convention Twitter crawl, but it figures that the Trump campaign would make sure the alt-right is represented.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:40:48 am
I usually agree with you, Arne, but not this time.
Trump isn't going to beat Hillary because his entire purpose was to get her elected. He sucked all the air out of the room when we had a lot of good Conservative choices and some honorable people to choose from. The media (leftist, of course) aided and abetted him because it's their dream to have Hillary back in the WH, and enough foolish people fell for his lies and now we are losing our party to a liberal, corrupt, vile Democrat, and there's no way I'd congratulate him on this pseudo-victory.
He's going to keep fouling up on purpose and giving the left ammunition so his buddies Bill and Hillary can regain power.
This is a tragic moment in time. The Republican party now stands for NOTHING. There's not a thing left to support in the party I once was proud to be a member of.
Sad days.......
I'm not so sure we are losing the GOP, just the image of a party that stood for at least some Conservative values. We lost the GOP years ago, but they kept up a pretense of being a little bit conservative, with a couple of prominent (at least among Conservatives) members.
At this point, we're going to get Hillary, which was the plan all along, on both sides of the aisle.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 01:41:25 am
Paul Ryan Delivers Impassioned 10-Minute Pained Facial Expression (http://www.theonion.com/article/paul-ryan-delivers-impassioned-10-minute-pained-fa-53251?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing)
And says we can't retreat from the world as his party nominates an isolationist who makes Pat Buchannan seem downright outgoing. :silly:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 20, 2016, 01:41:52 am
Well if the Democrat convention goes as planned, the two major choices will be a New York Liberal with a D behind her name versus a New York Liberal with a R behind his name.
Even if it doesn't, Bernie Sanders is originally from Brooklyn, so the statement stands.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:42:52 am
Well if the Democrat convention goes as planned, the two major choices will be a New York Liberal with a D behind her name versus a New York Liberal with a R behind his name.
And with both of those "behinds" the American Public doesn't even get the courtesy of a reach-around.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 01:44:01 am
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 01:44:24 am
I get your point about Vdare but your average joe has no idea WTH vdare is.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RoosGirl on July 20, 2016, 01:44:35 am
How is it that I have yet to run across a gracious Trump supporter? I've never seen such a large group of sore winners except the democrats in 2008 and 2012.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:46:17 am
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump parody Twitter account makes big screen in Quicken Loans Arena pic.twitter.com/WVPNizuofg (https://t.co/WVPNizuofg)</p>— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) July 19, 2016 (https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/755519014068191232)
I've noticed that too. I didn't know if it was actually the crowd versus simply the mic placement and gain, but when they pan the crowd, over half are on their phone texting or looking for Pokemon.
:silly:
Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:47:37 am
Your above comments are exactly mine. I gave ten years of service to our county and state party, did it for free, and now I am 83, so way older than you. The party has also lost me as a volunteer, donor, and fighter for them, just as you said.
I know Trump is dangerous, more dangerous than Clinton, and if he wins, I will live my life without knowing what he is doing. Do not plan to follow what he does. I will live my life well regardless of whether it is him or her. CatherineofAragon
That's all we can do, @Victoria33 ......... and maybe that's what God has been telling us to do all along.
I am reevaluating my commitment to the political world. Is it time well spent? Or should I devote myself entirely to HIM, realizing that there is now no longer anything but corruption in the US government.
I'm not like others who gave up on the GOP long ago. I truly believed the party could be reformed.
No longer. Going with Trump, seeing the establishment Republicans go hand in hand with a corrupt, amoral Democrat like Trump........... it's put me over the edge.
I believe difficult days are ahead for us. No matter who wins this election, we will be subjected to corruption like we've never seen in our lifetime, and perhaps a form of tyranny. Our freedoms, which have been eroding, could disappear quickly now.
While others celebrate in their blind devotion to a demagogue, we mourn the loss of America.
I'm thankful there are eternal values far beyond what we've had all our lives in this once beloved country of ours....
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 01:49:02 am
I get your point about Vdare but your average joe has no idea WTH vdare is.
That's what's so dangerous. Those average joes will think it a decent site and visit.
And then the skinhead, white nationalist ideology spreads.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: libertyandfreedom on July 20, 2016, 01:53:31 am
Thanks for this thread and the one yesterday. I just got caught up on today's thread and really appreciate all of the information as well as the comments particularly the observations about the state of our country. Maybe 2020 is something to look forward to, but I am not convinced that we haven't finally fallen off of the cliff.
I have been disappointed by some of the nominee's in the past, but I would never have called any one of them a liberal. Most of them were not as conservative as I wanted them to be, more moderate or middle of the road. Each time I went to vote, I sucked it up and pulled the lever. I have never despised a candidate like I do Donald Trump. I haven't found anything to like or respect about the man or found a shred of true conservatism in anything he has said or done.
I can honestly say, that I don't yet know what I will do in November. There will definitely be a lot of thought and payer involved.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:54:12 am
That's all we can do, @Victoria33 ......... and maybe that's what God has been telling us to do all along.
I am reevaluating my commitment to the political world. Is it time well spent? Or should I devote myself entirely to HIM, realizing that there is now no longer anything but corruption in the US government.
I'm not like others who gave up on the GOP long ago. I truly believed the party could be reformed.
No longer. Going with Trump, seeing the establishment Republicans go hand in hand with a corrupt, amoral Democrat like Trump........... it's put me over the edge.
I believe difficult days are ahead for us. No matter who wins this election, we will be subjected to corruption like we've never seen in our lifetime, and perhaps a form of tyranny. Our freedoms, which have been eroding, could disappear quickly now.
While others celebrate in their blind devotion to a demagogue, we mourn the loss of America.
I'm thankful there are eternal values far beyond what we've had all our lives in this once beloved country of ours....
Politics is fun and interesting, but nobody should be that impassioned that they let it affect their life. Get some other hobbies or interests. Face is that you're 1 in 350 million people. Impossible for one vote to change much.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 01:58:11 am
Since when do Americans advocate locking up their political opponents?
In his defense:
In 2010, Trump ally Carl Paladino ran for Governor and made prosecuting longtime political boss Sheldon Silver a major priority, even going as far as to want him put in a cage, dragged upstate, tarred and feathered.
Well, it turns out that Carl was right: Silver was eventually convicted of abusing his office and sent to jail. No tarring or feathering, but a lot of other New York politicians are in the same position.
If Clinton has committed crimes, she absolutely deserves to be "locked up." Those "Hillary for Prison" signs aren't all jokes.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:01:03 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiI8eFNWwAAoRcH.jpg)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 02:01:49 am
Didn't Democrats say stuff like that about W?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:02:28 am
In 2010, Trump ally Carl Paladino ran for Governor and made prosecuting longtime political boss Sheldon Silver a major priority, even going as far as to want him put in a cage, dragged upstate, tarred and feathered.
Well, it turns out that Carl was right: Silver was eventually convicted of abusing his office and sent to jail. No tarring or feathering, but a lot of other New York politicians are in the same position.
If Clinton has committed crimes, she absolutely deserves to be "locked up." Those "Hillary for Prison" signs aren't all jokes.
Comey settled that. At least for a year. And when Hillary wins, for four years (or eight).
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 02:07:10 am
I think we all agree with the crimes and corruption of Hillary, but I feel like they are putting up Al Capone to take on Charles Luciano. Both are corrupt criminals that are part of the criminal enterprise that are destroying the country. Al Capone's kids also gloated over him and said what a great father he was. Al Capone was praised for what he did for his neighborhood, as most old school mobsters were (don't piss in the pot you eat from).
What's worse though is we are being told that we have to ignore all of Capone's crimes and believe he is the greatest, best guy ever, and we can't speak ill of him, oh, and he has yuge hands. All because he isn't Charles Luciano.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 02:07:47 am
Kinda tough when the Democrats controlled the Senate.
While we are at it Ted Kennedy should have gone to jail for Mary Joe.
Louis Lerner life for using the IRS to persecute political enemies.
Bill Clinton for Juanita Broaderick
Bill/ Hillary Clinton for the 900 FBI files
Hillary for email and Benghazi.
Eric Holder for fast and furious.
Janet Reno for Waco.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 02:07:54 am
What a night. Makes a gal wonder about the meaning of life. Sigh....My original plan, (after my Gender reassignment surgery) was to find a man like Frank Cannon to live with in a loving lesbian relationship. After tonights events I have abandoned those plans and decided to join the nunnery..... Or maybe the Peace Corps.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:08:18 am
I think we all agree with the crimes and corruption of Hillary, but I feel like they are putting up Al Capone to take on Charles Luciano. Both are corrupt criminals that are part of the criminal enterprise that are destroying the country. Al Capone's kids also gloated over him and said what a great father he was. Al Capone was praised for what he did for his neighborhood, as most old school mobsters were (don't piss in the pot you eat from).
What's worse though is we are being told that we have to ignore all of Capone's crimes and believe he is the greatest, best guy ever, and we can't speak ill of him, oh, and he has yuge hands. All because he isn't Charles Luciano.
That, my friend, is a perfect analogy.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: roamer_1 on July 20, 2016, 02:09:33 am
Ditto to a point. I'm not depressed, I'm slightly amused watching the game.
Yeah... ^^^ This.
We all knew the convention was a long-shot- As it has proven to be.
I'm not depressed, or defeated - The simple truth is that my path has narrowed to exactly what we all saw coming. I'll vote Castle this year, and Conservative down-ticket - Nothing has changed at all... So yeah... now that I don't have a dog in the Republican hunt, I am free to point and laugh. It isn't time for 'I tolja so'... That ain't till November and beyond.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:13:02 am
Donald Trump Jr is relating an amazing riches to riches story.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:14:05 am
John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz 6m6 minutes ago When they told Trump he couldn't declare bankruptcy four times, he did the impossible! He declared bankruptcy four times!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 02:14:16 am
Donald Trump Jr is relating an amazing riches to riches story.
I notice he isn't talking about all the values he was taught like getting government subsidies, getting bailed out by the Saudi Royal families and George Soros, taking the property you want, not through good deal making, but through paying off politicians to take it through eminent domain and resell it to you for pennies, like rigging bidding processes by undervaluing properties through fake bankruptcy filings, or filing your own development expenses under shell companies that you later bankrupt and screw your vendors and contractors. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 02:18:24 am
... or filing your own development expenses under shell companies that you later bankrupt and screw your vendors and contractors. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
So, Trump, the guy who rode into Tombstone on a horse named "we need some new blood and change in Washington" with a head wind made up of anger at the political status quo of the establishment is the establishment's tool to beat down grass root conservatives seeking to take power from the dreaded GOPe?
What in the f#%}Inc world is going on here?
No one really knows who the bleep this guy is, or what he stands for, and we're about to nominate him as the GOP candidate.
He's a fraud and a Liberal. That's who he is. The warning signs were allover his past, but there were significant numbers of people who just did not want to listen. When Crooked Donny loses to Crooked Hillary by a landslide, he'll blame those of us with principles, saying it is our fault for not joining him.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:24:22 am
Trumps are aching to be the next political dynasty.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: libertybele on July 20, 2016, 02:24:30 am
We all knew the convention was a long-shot- As it has proven to be.
I'm not depressed, or defeated - The simple truth is that my path has narrowed to exactly what we all saw coming. I'll vote Castle this year, and Conservative down-ticket - Nothing has changed at all... So yeah... now that I don't have a dog in the Republican hunt, I am free to point and laugh. It isn't time for 'I tolja so'... That ain't till November and beyond.
He's a fraud and a Liberal. That's who he is. The warning signs were allover his past, but there were significant numbers of people who just did not want to listen. When Crooked Donny loses to Crooked Hillary by a landslide, he'll blame those of us with principles, saying it is our fault for not joining him.
I might vote for Trump, but he'll have to beg me for it.
Beg me and ask for forgiveness for being such a pr*ck during the primaries.
And give me ONE single solid positive reason for giving him my vote.
I don't see any of that happening.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:26:45 am
Donald Trump Jr once lectured someone on the use of apostrophes while misusing apostrophes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnxgSrGXYAAaRtG.jpg)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 02:30:06 am
Shelly Capito is good too. Good to see.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 20, 2016, 02:36:11 am
No difference when the Speaker takes direction from the DemoRat majority leader in the Senate.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:37:34 am
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr 22 Jun 2012 At dinner w our greenskeeper who missed his sister's wedding 2 work (luv loyalty 2 us) "No big deal hopefully she'll have another someday";)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 02:38:18 am
I'm watching the Royals. They're losing 6-3. I watched about 10 seconds of Trump's daughter wax poetic about her womanizing father who once opined during an interview about the size of breasts she would have when she grew up.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 02:40:34 am
Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr 22 Jun 2012 At dinner w our greenskeeper who missed his sister's wedding 2 work (luv loyalty 2 us) "No big deal hopefully she'll have another someday";)
Good grief. SMH.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Idiot on July 20, 2016, 02:43:47 am
Anyone happen to know when Ted Cruz speaks tomorrow? I'd at least like to hear that.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 20, 2016, 02:53:23 am
Politics is fun and interesting, but nobody should be that impassioned that they let it affect their life. Get some other hobbies or interests. Face is that you're 1 in 350 million people. Impossible for one vote to change much.
Umm........... see my screen name?? I have LOTS of hobbies, including my profession, which is a joy. I also love sports, and physical fitness, have four fascinating, brilliant children, and an amazing 40 year marriage. And I am devoted to the LORD, who gives me strength.
That said, it doesn't change the fact that I was born political. I was only 10 when JFK debated Nixon and I remember it well. I have political buttons back to "I Like Ike." It's been part of my very rich and varied life for 67 years, and losing what I thought I had is a blow, no matter what fraction of my life politics held.
But losing my country is even worse. And now, I fear it is lost for good.............. or at least for the remainder of my life here on earth.
Please don't dismiss its importance in our lives.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: musiclady on July 20, 2016, 02:58:50 am
Politics is fun and interesting, but nobody should be that impassioned that they let it affect their life. Get some other hobbies or interests. Face is that you're 1 in 350 million people. Impossible for one vote to change much.
I voted in Palm Beach county, Florida in the 2000 election. Don't tell me that one vote doesn't count.
It does.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: XenaLee on July 20, 2016, 03:01:26 am
Well, considering the fact that they wanted every Republican behind bars for having broken no laws....and considering that it's Hillary that has broken laws....
we wouldn't BE imitating them.
We would merely be seeking justice.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 03:09:14 am
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 03:24:31 am
stuart stevens @stuartpstevens 1m1 minute ago It's great his kids love him but I'm sorry, a good man does not ridicule the disabled, denigrate a tortured hero & attack other's faith.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 03:24:58 am
Except it's not just an emotional tantrum. Believe me, I've had emotional tantrums, so I know what I'm talking about.
We have one thing in common: our mutual dislike of Hillary Clinton. The difference is that your side of the argument is willing to support literally any person as the Republican nominee without regard to his qualifications, and are willing to manufacture their own qualifications.
Here's the thing.
Trump supporters excuse their support of Trump because they need to beat Hillary so she won't do all sorts of evil things like load the SCOTUS with Communists and (generally speaking) be a Junior Obama.
What's truly baffling is that while saying that, they've supported the ONE candidate out of the top-tier of early GOP candidates that consistently polled significantly BEHIND Clinton in the polls, who couldn't get more than @38% of the primary vote while he still had someone running against him during the primaries, who has been violently opposed by a significant portion of staunch, life-long Republicans, who is disliked by more Americans than Clinton, and who has demonstrated, time and time again, that he has no clue on things like constitutional governance and conservatism.
Now, if those polls are correct, and if he can't get more than two score of the general vote, and if he by continuing to tell those right-wingers that oppose him to stuff it, and if he can't turn his negatives upside down between now and November while the media and the Clinton machine work day and night to bury him and his family, and he continues to display his abject ignorance on government to the degree that he scares even more people away from him, and Trump loses as badly as I think he will lose, Trump supporters will blame the loss on everyone but themselves, ignoring the fact that it was them who picked the boorish, clueless, unlikable clown to represent the GOP.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 03:28:11 am
stuart stevens @stuartpstevens 1m1 minute ago It's great his kids love him but I'm sorry, a good man does not ridicule the disabled, denigrate a tortured hero & attack other's faith.
... or bear false witness, or brag on their conquests of married women, or mock the appearance of another man's wife, and on and on.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Idiot on July 20, 2016, 03:29:08 am
So what would be called an actual endorsement? If Cruz mentions the "nominee" and says we need to support the "nominee" without mentioning Trump's name, does this count? Actually this is what I expect Cruz to do.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 03:29:30 am
I'll give it 75% for endorsement. Not because he is selling out his values, but because of the 'live to fight another day' philosophy. This is not the venue to suddenly say 'aw hell naw'.
I think the other 24.99% is he gives an anti-Hillary, Conservative value speech only with zero mention of the candidate.
The .01% left, he let's it loose on Trump.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 20, 2016, 03:31:54 am
I'll give it 75% for endorsement. Not because he is selling out his values, but because of the 'live to fight another day' philosophy. This is not the venue to suddenly say 'aw hell naw'.
I think the other 24.99% is he gives an anti-Hillary, Conservative value speech only with zero mention of the candidate.
The .01% left, he let's it loose on Trump.
Here's hoping it's the .01% one! Man I'd pay to see that.....
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 03:32:45 am
Again, let's not forget, there was a Cruz Trump alliance, LOL, spoke at that DC event together; what was that about? The budget? I can't even remember. While Trump took after Jeb, Rubio and whomever else, TC was quite.
But now, Ted is as pure as the driven snow, the "true conservative"; and Trump? He's the life long democrat, liberal all of his life.
But we can go with the disingenuous arguments, as if Ted and Trump were rivals from the start. That there was no cooperation ever.
:silly:
Doesn't make it as easy to be so critical of Teflon Don then, is it? While Jeb and others took their licks.
Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, Rubio, the list really goes on on whom was able to give support to Trump, but LOL, none of these are true conservatives, just the guy who at first compromised with Trump is.
Short memories, I will say, the Conservative One Levine, is probably the one conservative voice that never took to Trump.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 03:33:35 am
I'll give it 75% for endorsement. Not because he is selling out his values, but because of the 'live to fight another day' philosophy. This is not the venue to suddenly say 'aw hell naw'.
I think the other 24.99% is he gives an anti-Hillary, Conservative value speech only with zero mention of the candidate.
The .01% left, he let's it loose on Trump.
I wonder if Cruz really believes the GOP will ever get behind him, in 2020 or any other election.
Because being the true outsider & Constitutional, limited government disciple he is I do not believe they will.
Maybe becoming the party anti-hero would be the better way to go.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 03:33:43 am
I'll give it 75% for endorsement. Not because he is selling out his values, but because of the 'live to fight another day' philosophy. This is not the venue to suddenly say 'aw hell naw'.
I think the other 24.99% is he gives an anti-Hillary, Conservative value speech only with zero mention of the candidate.
The .01% left, he let's it loose on Trump.
Rick Perry said "aw hell naw." Never mentioned Trump's name and never endorsed him.
I'd put down considerable coin that Cruz cannot bring himself to endorse a man who said and did what Trump said and did about Heidi and his father. And has never publicly apologized.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 03:36:16 am
Again, let's not forget, there was a Cruz Trump alliance, LOL, spoke at that DC event together; what was that about? The budget? I can't even remember. While Trump took after Jeb, Rubio and whomever else, TC was quite.
But now, Ted is as pure as the driven snow, the "true conservative"; and Trump? He's the life long democrat, liberal all of his life.
But we can go with the disingenuous arguments, as if Ted and Trump were rivals from the start. That there was no cooperation ever.
:silly:
Doesn't make it as easy to be so critical of Teflon Don then, is it? While Jeb and others took their licks.
Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, Rubio, the list really goes on on whom was able to give support to Trump, but LOL, none of these are true conservatives, just the guy who at first compromised with Trump is.
Short memories, I will say, the Conservative One Levine, is probably the one conservative voice that never took to Trump.
What "alliance"?
They merely laid off criticizing one another. There was no "compromise".
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: ABX on July 20, 2016, 03:37:22 am
I wonder if Cruz really believes the GOP will ever get behind him, in 2020 or any other election.
Because being the true outsider & Constitutional, limited government disciple he is I do not believe they will.
Maybe becoming the party anti-hero would be the better way to go.
I'm not even thinking about a 2020 run, but just being able to be effective in his seat to the people who voted for him for his current job. He can be made completely ineffective by leadership with the stroke of a pen, so his job would be just to sit at a desk and not actually accomplish what he has been working on.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 20, 2016, 03:39:26 am
I don't know who pitched that trash, but it sure wasn't me.
Most likely a Trumpette trying to win over the Cruz camp by suggesting Cruz bend over for Trump and be his VP. If it was from the Cruz camp, Cruz would have been at the top of the ticket.
So, seriously, nice try, but epic fail.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 03:39:42 am
I'm not even thinking about a 2020 run, but just being able to be effective in his seat to the people who voted for him for his current job. He can be made completely ineffective by leadership with the stroke of a pen, so his job would be just to sit at a desk and not actually accomplish what he has been working on.
They've probably already tried that. I doubt that there's much worse Cruz could do than openly calling the majority leader of his own party on a lie.
Cruz has alot of political capital now. I do not think they could get away with marginalizing him.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 03:42:03 am
Posting pictures of them together really doesn't make your point.
I was one of those hoping they would form some sort of alliance but that went out the window when Trump realized Cruz actually wanted the nomination. Of course the low road Trump took helped form my opinion of him and his low moral character.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Hoodat on July 20, 2016, 03:50:59 am
The Trump/Cruz position Secure the border, Enforce eVerify, Deport, No government benefits to illegals
Trump doesn't support ending government benefits for illegals. He calls that "mean-spirited". Trump also has gotten soft on deporting illegals. But he still stands strong on giving amnesty to those deported.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 20, 2016, 03:52:38 am
Cruz has no chance of getting a nomination in the liberal GOP.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 04:08:55 am
Or critical thinking thread, not toeing the party line. Where all sides are free to discuss the aspects, not just a 'ra ra' section.
Well it wasn't my idea to have separate threads, however I've read thru this thread and wouldn't call what's here "critical thinking" by any means, rather reminds me of the threads at FR only over there the bashing was against Cruz supporters.... .........Trump 'opposers' are no different here than the Trump supporters over there....
My supporting Trump has nothing to do with toeing the party line....Many here know we're in the world series playoffs in this election.....their team didn't make 'the cut' and neither did mine. ..and I wouldn't care what the winning team calls themselves going up against The Clinton/Obama machine....I will vote for them and cheer them on an day for the win over seeing the Clintons back in Washington to finish off what Obama and they started long ago...which is the destruction of this country.
And neither does it have anything to do with drinking any kool-aid......as some have referred to.....it has to do with positions Trump holds I agree with....and why wouldn't I agree, many of them Trump simply enlarged on from meetings with Cruz and Sessions.
I agree with Trump on securing the borders and immigration....taking care of our Vets,...strengthening our Military and letting them fight to win, ...taking out ISIS and not letting refugees enter this country.....putting our country ahead of other nations....balancing the budget....smaller government.....Supreme Court appointments he's listed etc. etc.....What's not Constitutional or Conservative about those??????.....Heck even Cruz is glad to work with Trump on the issues they agree on.
But too many here pigeon hole all Trump supporters under one umbrella......when in fact many thought through their decision carefully and not exactly easily either. Do I support everything...of course not...there's never been a candidate i agreed on everything with..including Cruz. These men are not perfectly suited to us....but we vote for those closest to it.
So yes I'll support Trump ...and his VP selection only
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: DCPatriot on July 20, 2016, 04:22:52 am
Well it wasn't my idea to have separate threads, however I've read thru this thread and wouldn't call what's here "critical thinking" by any means, rather reminds me of the threads at FR only over there the bashing was against Cruz supporters.... .........Trump 'opposers' are no different here than the Trump supporters over there....
My supporting Trump has nothing to do with toeing the party line....Many here know we're in the world series playoffs in this election.....their team didn't make 'the cut' and neither did mine. ..and I wouldn't care what the winning team calls themselves going up against The Clinton/Obama machine....I will vote for them and cheer them on an day for the win over seeing the Clintons back in Washington to finish off what Obama and they started long ago...which is the destruction of this country.
And neither does it have anything to do with drinking any kool-aid......as some have referred to.....it has to do with positions Trump holds I agree with....and why wouldn't I agree, many of them Trump simply enlarged on from meetings with Cruz and Sessions.
I agree with Trump on securing the borders and immigration....taking care of our Vets,...strengthening our Military and letting them fight to win, ...taking out ISIS and not letting refugees enter this country.....putting our country ahead of other nations....balancing the budget....smaller government.....Supreme Court appointments he's listed etc. etc.....What's not Constitutional or Conservative about those??????.....Heck even Cruz is glad to work with Trump on the issues they agree on.
But too many here pigeon hole all Trump supporters under one umbrella......when in fact many thought through their decision carefully and not exactly easily either. Do I support everything...of course not...there's never been a candidate i agreed on everything with..including Cruz. These men are not perfectly suited to us....but we vote for those closest to it.
So yes I'll support Trump ...and his VP selection only
Thanks for letting us know how your thinking has been evolving .
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 04:25:43 am
They spoke together at that event in Washington DC; I forget what exactly. <snipped>
The Stop Iran Deal together, yes, they teamed up.
I found pictures from TV coverage calling it a Trump Cruz rally; if that doesn't mean an alliance even for a day, I don't know what does.
One may say, well, that was a rally against the Iran deal; one thing we know, we don't find Trump Jeb Bush rallies or Trump Rubio rallies, no Trump Kasich rallies but indeed, there is a Trump Cruz rally to be found.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: INVAR on July 20, 2016, 04:27:17 am
Cruz has alot of political capital now. I do not think they could get away with marginalizing him.
Then you have not been paying attention to what they just did this week at the Convention.
YES they can and YES THEY WILL.
It was Cruz the Establishment hated all along, which is why the entire Establishment got behind Trump.
He was no threat to their oligarchy and gravy train because he ensures Hillary's coronation or he's into it for his own royal dynasty, in which case it's win-win for the Ruling Class.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 04:34:16 am
‘Playing the Long Game’08.19.15 12:15 AM ET Cruz, Trump in Secret Talks It’s a bromance with a payoff—the senator has been developing the billionaire’s support and their aides are even discussing joint events, but if Trump drops out, Cruz aims to clean up.
Donald Trump and Ted Cruz’s mutual admiration is turning into a conservative bromance—one that could have a huge strategic payoff for the Texas senator’s presidential campaign.
Behind the scenes, Cruz has been methodologically developing Trump’s support. The two candidates have met in person at least five times and talk by phone occasionally. And in the future, they may even hold events together.
The two campaigns privately discussed a possible joint event this year in Washington, D.C., and Cruz was invited to join Trump’s infamous trip to the Mexico border, though a scheduling problem prevented him from attending, sources told The Daily Beast.
How soon we forget the former relationship between these two.
Just saying, Skeeter, that was a great picture of a dog you formally had for your avatar; you are an asset to this forum and very level-headed and fair.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: truth_seeker on July 20, 2016, 04:36:32 am
Again, let's not forget, there was a Cruz Trump alliance, LOL, spoke at that DC event together; what was that about? The budget? I can't even remember. While Trump took after Jeb, Rubio and whomever else, TC was quite.
But now, Ted is as pure as the driven snow, the "true conservative"; and Trump? He's the life long democrat, liberal all of his life.
But we can go with the disingenuous arguments, as if Ted and Trump were rivals from the start. That there was no cooperation ever.
:silly:
Doesn't make it as easy to be so critical of Teflon Don then, is it? While Jeb and others took their licks.
Gingrich, Santorum, Huckabee, Rubio, the list really goes on on whom was able to give support to Trump, but LOL, none of these are true conservatives, just the guy who at first compromised with Trump is.
Short memories, I will say, the Conservative One Levine, is probably the one conservative voice that never took to Trump.
I listened to Levin today. He instructs others, to hold of the endorsement until the very end. Try to make Trump lean for conservative positions.
I conclude from that, he intends to give an endorsement. He WAS adamant in his urgency to defeat Hillary.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: truth_seeker on July 20, 2016, 04:47:08 am
Rick Perry said "aw hell naw." Never mentioned Trump's name and never endorsed him.
I'd put down considerable coin that Cruz cannot bring himself to endorse a man who said and did what Trump said and did about Heidi and his father. And has never publicly apologized.
Okay, I haven't watched anything but I am very pleased if Rick Perry did not mention Trump's name or endorse him. Perry should have been our candidate in 2012.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Hoodat on July 20, 2016, 05:07:08 am
I'd put down considerable coin that Cruz cannot bring himself to endorse a man who said and did what Trump said and did about Heidi and his father. And has never publicly apologized.
The part that really drives it home on the 'Lyin' Ted' bit is where Trump let's it slip out that he had no idea whether Cruz lied or not. It tells me that integrity is a quality that Donald Trump does not possess. And sadly, many of his supporters have surrendered theirs as well in order to keep aligned with Trump.
And then there's the National Enquirer bit. I am still reeling at all the disgusting lies and horrible accusations that Trump supporters levied again such an honorable man as Ted Cruz. And not a single one of them has made amends for it. Not a single one.
We as a nation are spiritually bankrupt.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: geronl on July 20, 2016, 06:13:08 am
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
@mystery-ak And, there we go. Nice knowing the site, I don't need this, nor TOS, nor fascist Trumpanzee assholes.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 11:55:06 am
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
That's pretty disgraceful talk coming from a site owner...so the truth finally comes out around here.
They've probably already tried that. I doubt that there's much worse Cruz could do than openly calling the majority leader of his own party on a lie.
Cruz has alot of political capital now. I do not think they could get away with marginalizing him.
Cruz has political capital with you. With the rest of the voting American public, not so much. And if he fails to embrace the Republican ticket and campaign for them, St. Rafael will lose it all.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 20, 2016, 11:59:38 am
Trump doesn't support ending government benefits for illegals. He calls that "mean-spirited". Trump also has gotten soft on deporting illegals. But he still stands strong on giving amnesty to those deported.
Nice to see you're still making up stuff.
At least you're predictable. :shrug:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 20, 2016, 12:03:08 pm
He's a fraud and a Liberal. That's who he is. The warning signs were allover his past, but there were significant numbers of people who just did not want to listen. When Crooked Donny loses to Crooked Hillary by a landslide, he'll blame those of us with principles, saying it is our fault for not joining him.
You're off the hook. Mr. Trump is going to win. Again.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 12:06:25 pm
I expected more trenchant analysis from Luis, post-convention. The above is thin pablum, a superficial look at a complex reality that requires rational analysis, not emotion.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 12:08:10 pm
you guys are the nastiest people,i have seen!!! You have no idea about trump.. just those stupid articless that are false!!!!
i am so mad,letme tell you, Donald trump is not the ogor,you,low info voters think,he is!??????
but you go ahead and look stupid,right ahead and look as stupid asmthe deocratsmwantmtou to look... Do not come to us... as they say...youmake you bed you lie in it !!!!!
Then do something about it...go ahead...I dare you!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 20, 2016, 12:08:38 pm
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RetBobbyMI on July 20, 2016, 12:15:13 pm
I'm sure glad I don't have to wait for November to cast by ballot. By election night, my conscious will be clear to watch two NY liberals via for a claim that neither could get 270 electoral votes and throw the decision into the new congress, one with a democrat Schumer in charge of picking the VP (since Trump doesn't care who wins there). Maybe that is why he picked Pence, knowing he will get Hillary's VP pick. But in any case, I can say neither were my pick. And maybe, just maybe, enough constitutional conservatives will feel the same way, that the Constitution Party will not be a "minority" party 4 years hence. Just like the GOP rose from nothing in its beginning to win.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Jazzhead on July 20, 2016, 12:16:41 pm
Fair enough, let's see who wins. And this election is far more than Clinton vs. Trump. The House is at stake, the Senate is at stake. I pray there can be unity regarding the down-ticket battles, even as there can be no reconciliation concerning the danger of Trumpism.
Unlike some, I am not going to abandon the GOP. There are still too many good people fighting the good fight for limited, Constitutional government. The GOP simply declined to run a candidate for President this year. Instead, that contest is between a Democrat and an American representative of the National Front. I have as much loyalty to that fringe movement as I have to the Dems. The goal for me this year is to re-elect Pat Toomey so he can be a bulwark against President Clinton.
2020 will be here soon enough, and the GOP will once again put up a candidate for President. Cruz and Kasich, among other patriots, will be there to pick up the pieces. And I'll be with them, God willing.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Jazzhead on July 20, 2016, 12:18:47 pm
I expected more trenchant analysis from Luis, post-convention. The above is thin pablum, a superficial look at a complex reality that requires rational analysis, not emotion.
The reality is that the chance to defeat Trumpism at or before the convention has passed. Now, sadly, it must be defeated in November.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: R4 TrumPence on July 20, 2016, 12:21:01 pm
ab you need to stop lying! i am so tired of faining martyerisim
this is how it is... idiots, think trump is Done oh my :laugh: :nono: :laugh: 888ohnoes 888ohnoes
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 12:23:23 pm
... / The goal for me this year is to re-elect Pat Toomey so he can be a bulwark against President Clinton.
2020 will be here soon enough, and the GOP will once again put up a candidate for President. Cruz and Kasich, among other patriots, will be here to pick up the pieces. And I'll be with them, God willing.
Like they were able to in 2016 ... after 8 years of Obama? It is time to get real. It is time to face reality. Too few voters wanted Cruz and even less wanted Kasich and that fact won't change after 12 years of Obama.
There will be even less of a bulwark, Toomey included, against a President Clinton than there was against President Obama. If there is any part of you that wants to stop the Obama years, 2016 is your best and last chance; and their names are Trump/Pence.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 20, 2016, 12:29:00 pm
I expected more trenchant analysis from Luis, post-convention. The above is thin pablum, a superficial look at a complex reality that requires rational analysis, not emotion.
You got nothing to respond with so you dismiss the post.
What the Hell happened to you?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 12:30:12 pm
Dayum. This place just went all "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest".
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 20, 2016, 12:34:54 pm
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
You should stop.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 12:37:20 pm
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
WE ARE SO,HAPPY! PEOPLE HAVE no idea what,is going on!!!! i hate your anger, but you fuckon,deserve it
Trump is it!!
Well, aside from owning half of an internet site that could be something other than a wannabe trump echo chamber, I think you should drink less before pissing off your members. Trump is it, though. Trump is the end of the GOP. My state delegation and ten others were denied their right under the rules to call for a roll call vote, through strong arm tactics and just plain cheating.
Nothing like insisting everyone else go by the rules and breaking them yourselves.
Many of us saw this early on, while you people were projecting your sins on others like Liberal Democrats, but now, now, you have done it.
I formally renounce any connection with the Republican Party. The Democrat Party never had any, nor will they ever. If you want Trump, by all means, elect him if you can. I expect to see you next to the New Black Pampers with large sticks at the polls, just part of the receiving line. When Trump, the election, the country don't go where you think they will, I only have one thing to say. Stay out of my yard or I'll make you one with it, and I hate shovel work.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 12:37:39 pm
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
So what are you going to do about it? :odrama:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: wolfcreek on July 20, 2016, 12:43:28 pm
Let me repeat this here.
I call for an end to the gloating, infighting and to the dissension.
Time to get serious about defeating the real enemy... HRC
What say you?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 12:45:09 pm
Donald Trump Jr once lectured someone on the use of apostrophes while misusing apostrophes
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnxgSrGXYAAaRtG.jpg)
Yeah, I'm just going to say it because I've wanted to for a long time. Both of those pinched-nosed metrosexual punk sons come off as jerks just like their father. If this were the '80s, James Spader would have played either of them in a movie.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: montanajoe on July 20, 2016, 12:51:52 pm
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
WE ARE SO,HAPPY! PEOPLE HAVE no idea what,is going on!!!! i hate your anger, but you fuckon,deserve it
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
I wasn't dumped at FR. I still have an account there. I left by invitation, and came here of my own accord. I'm not so desperate that I will sacrifice all my principles to belong to anything.
As for stupidity, for someone who "won", you are parading it. As I said on TOS, I'd cut off my fingers before voting for Trump. That still applies. The actions of his most ardent supporters only cement my resolve.
Instead of being graceful in victory you choose to unleash pent up vindictive vitriol on people who were invited here. Now, that is about the sort of action I'd expect from a supporter of some nouveau riche peckerwood land grabbing fraud, so I am not surprised. Just disappointed.
@mystery-ak Thanks for the invite, it was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 20, 2016, 12:56:25 pm
I wasn't dumped at FR. I still have an account there. I left by invitation, and came here of my own accord. I'm not so desperate that I will sacrifice all my principles to belong to anything.
I walked away without being asked :patriot:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 12:59:07 pm
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
WE ARE SO,HAPPY! PEOPLE HAVE no idea what,is going on!!!! i hate your anger, but you fuckon,deserve it
Trump is it!!
Sorry, but profanity is not allowed on the Open thread. You are going to have to be more respectful of fellow posters or you will be invited to leave the thread.
Frankly, I'm astounded that you would come on here and violate your own rules.
I am going to close this thread in about 30 minutes and start the Wednesday thread.
We will have no more of this for the rest of the Convention, OK?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:00:48 pm
Yeah, I'm just going to say it because I've wanted to for a long time. Both of those pinched-nosed metrosexual punk sons come off as jerks just like their father. If this were the '80s, James Spader would have played either of them in a movie.
See the latest?
Trump wants laws to conduct purges of Obama appointees.
Christie Says Trump Will Change Firing Laws to Purge Federal Civil Service of Obama Hires
While it sounds nice on its face it would most assuredly be used by the next democrat to hold office and likely be expanded from there.
Edrogan would approve.
(http://i.imgur.com/KA088x5.jpg)
The simple fact is that a president already has more than enough power to replace political appointments and doesn't need more power to do anything.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: For-Q-Clinton on July 20, 2016, 01:06:14 pm
So the rules are suspended I take it? The trumpsters true colors come out and start name calling when they can't get their way.
Woohoo! Finally we can let loose and make fun of idiots that truly think Trump is a conservative in spite of the many times he's made fun of them and called them stupid. But I think it will go over all the trump supporters' heads...I mean if they can't understand how stupid they are at this point they never will.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:06:42 pm
Cruz has political capital with you. With the rest of the voting American public, not so much. And if he fails to embrace the Republican ticket and campaign for them, St. Rafael will lose it all.
What profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul?
Frankly, I think Cruz will keep it classy, but after the sheer volume of egregious dung flung at him through the campaign from the Trump camp, I'd be disappointed if he in any way directly says to vote for him.
If he announced he was changing party affiliations to a third party and told Trump to Kiss his ass (unlikely, because Cruz is too classy for that) I'd send him a donation every paycheck for his presidential run in 2020.
I have finally figured out why Trump supporters tend to be shrill. Y'all are scared, and rightfully so. You're all in at the tables with a bad hand against one of the best players in the game. She's a shark, and all you have is blustering little fingers to fight back with, and she will call his bluff every time.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Ghost Bear on July 20, 2016, 01:07:17 pm
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
Thanks for showing your true self. 10294
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:08:17 pm
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
You need sleep. Go get some. Please. Before an intervention is necessary.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 01:09:47 pm
NO YOU SEE, I AM REALLY EXHAUSTED, WITH THE CRAP YOU all did with,me and my partner!!! You guys arE full of IT! we are not stupid! You were dumped,at FR for,being trouble makers! Prove me wrong with your nasty bullshit!!!!!!
Wow Trumpdolt in complete meltdown mode. Wow! This is actually quite funny and entertaining to watch. Trumpbots can dish it out but not take it so they resort to bans so they can listen to the echo chamber.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 01:10:09 pm
Well, aside from owning half of an internet site that could be something other than a wannabe trump echo chamber, I think you should drink less before pissing off your members. Trump is it, though. Trump is the end of the GOP. My state delegation and ten others were denied their right under the rules to call for a roll call vote, through strong arm tactics and just plain cheating.
Nothing like insisting everyone else go by the rules and breaking them yourselves.
Many of us saw this early on, while you people were projecting your sins on others like Liberal Democrats, but now, now, you have done it.
I formally renounce any connection with the Republican Party. The Democrat Party never had any, nor will they ever. If you want Trump, by all means, elect him if you can. I expect to see you next to the New Black Pampers with large sticks at the polls, just part of the receiving line. When Trump, the election, the country don't go where you think they will, I only have one thing to say. Stay out of my yard or I'll make you one with it, and I hate shovel work.
THIS. I had decided to hold my nose and vote for Trump until this happened. Trump, the outsider (hardy har har), joined with the GOP-e in consolidating power against the conservative grassroots. Liberals completed their takeover of what used to be the conservative party, and many conservatives were cheering them on. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Ken Cuccinelli were fighting for small government conservatives, just as they always have. If you weren't standing against them, you were standing on the wrong side.
Btw, I wasn't dumped at FR either, and also I still have an account there at that Cruz hate/Trump worship echo chamber. I just refuse to post somewhere where defense of fellow conservatives and dissemination of truth is squashed.
I also came her by invitation from @mystery-ak If I'm not welcome, I will leave though.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 01:10:19 pm
You can't fight in here. This is the War Room :smokin:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:11:23 pm
What profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul?
Frankly, I think Cruz will keep it classy, but after the sheer volume of egregious dung flung at him through the campaign from the Trump camp, I'd be disappointed if he in any way directly says to vote for him.
If he announced he was changing party affiliations to a third party and told Trump to Kiss his ass (unlikely, because Cruz is too classy for that) I'd send him a donation every paycheck for his presidential run in 2020.
I have finally figured out why Trump supporters tend to be shrill. Y'all are scared, and rightfully so. You're all in at the tables with a bad hand against one of the best players in the game. She's a shark, and all you have is blustering little fingers to fight back with, and she will call his bluff every time.
Yep and they see the media played them like the fools and tools that they are. Now that the media isn't going to give Trump free coverage he is now getting big time $$$ from goldman sachs and appointing them to positions (if he wins). Uh oh, what happened about all that bluster about being owned by others? Everything Trump lied about in the primary really applies 100% to him. He even admitted it...if someone takes money they are owned. So he is owned now.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Silver Pines on July 20, 2016, 01:14:10 pm
What's really pathetic is that Myst is off trying to forget politics and enjoy her new grandchild, but then she'll check in and be greeted by this mess.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: For-Q-Clinton on July 20, 2016, 01:14:27 pm
What profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul?
Frankly, I think Cruz will keep it classy, but after the sheer volume of egregious dung flung at him through the campaign from the Trump camp, I'd be disappointed if he in any way directly says to vote for him.
If he announced he was changing party affiliations to a third party and told Trump to Kiss his ass (unlikely, because Cruz is too classy for that) I'd send him a donation every paycheck for his presidential run in 2020.
I have finally figured out why Trump supporters tend to be shrill. Y'all are scared, and rightfully so. You're all in at the tables with a bad hand against one of the best players in the game. She's a shark, and all you have is blustering little fingers to fight back with, and she will call his bluff every time.
Clearly they are worried Cruz will remain in the public eye a distinct conservative contrast to a moderate/liberal Trump administration.
They will then never live it down.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Jazzhead on July 20, 2016, 01:18:48 pm
Like they were able to in 2016 ... after 8 years of Obama? It is time to get real. It is time to face reality. Too few voters wanted Cruz and even less wanted Kasich and that fact won't change after 12 years of Obama.
There will be even less of a bulwark, Toomey included, against a President Clinton than there was against President Obama. If there is any part of you that wants to stop the Obama years, 2016 is your best and last chance; and their names are Trump/Pence.
RIV, I've been trying to stop the Obama/Clinton train all along. But not with something even worse. No, for me, this year is all about supporting Toomey and the down-ticket Republicans. It will have to do until 2020. I'm depressed as hell about that. But that's reality - Trump's danger is existential, Clinton's is not.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 01:18:59 pm
ALL:
I'm going to start the OPEN CONVENTION WEDNESDAY thread. This thread will stay open until I can get it closed, but let's put any new stuff over on the Wednesday thread.
I have to confess, I have no idea what just happened here. Let's just go on about our business.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: DCPatriot on July 20, 2016, 01:19:23 pm
I'm going to start the OPEN CONVENTION WEDNESDAY thread. This thread will stay open until I can get it closed, but let's put any new stuff over on the Wednesday thread.
I have to confess, I have no idea what just happened here. Let's just go on about our business.
The Trump-half of the site ownership just had a complete meltdown on your OPEN thread, followed by a Trumpist invasion, because he or she did not like what was being said about Trump and all the incompetence and corrupt shenanigans going on in Cleveland this week.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: WAC on July 20, 2016, 01:24:20 pm
The Trump-half of the site ownership just had a complete meltdown on your OPEN thread, followed by a Trumpist invasion, because he or she did not like what was being said about Trump and all the incompetence and corrupt shenanigans going on in Cleveland this week.
Well, I was trying to be diplomatic. The thing is, SHE is the one who wanted two threads. I never expected this thing to be anything official; just a lame little thread maintained by me as a place for me and a few others to comment on the Convention.
But R4 TrumpPence said we should have two threads. And everything was fine until just now. Maybe it's because we had 300 more posts than the "LIVE" thread. Or that most of the posters are over here.
There seems to be an attitude that, just like the GOP Convention, there will be no dissension, no disagreement, no expression of opinion contrary to Trumpism.
And, just like in Cleveland, you see the result. It is the Trump people who are lashing out, not those of us who are engaging in free speech and discussion.
I expect no changes. If there are, you can bet I'll be the first dog to bare my teeth and raise hell.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2016, 01:31:15 pm
Come on everybody...please calm down...
my granddaughter born yesterday 5:45pm
Etta Caroline 7lbs 11oz......
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 01:31:51 pm
Well, I was trying to be diplomatic. The thing is, SHE is the one who wanted two threads. I never expected this thing to be anything official; just a lame little thread maintained by me as a place for me and a few others to comment on the Convention.
But R4 TrumpPence said we should have two threads. And everything was fine until just now. Maybe it's because we had 300 more posts than the "LIVE" thread. Or that most of the posters are over here.
There seems to be an attitude that, just like the GOP Convention, there will be no dissension, no disagreement, no expression of opinion contrary to Trumpism.
And, just like in Cleveland, you see the result. It is the Trump people who are lashing out, not those of us who are engaging in free speech and discussion.
I expect no changes. If there are, you can bet I'll be the first dog to bare my teeth and raise hell.
I have talked to Tracy...she has agreed to stay off this thread....but please be respectful to TBR and it's owners..I have read some nasty comments from both sides....I hope we can get past this...there will be two convention threads.....PLEASE!
Nancy
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on July 20, 2016, 01:36:39 pm
I'm going to start the OPEN CONVENTION WEDNESDAY thread. This thread will stay open until I can get it closed, but let's put any new stuff over on the Wednesday thread.
I have to confess, I have no idea what just happened here. Let's just go on about our business.
S#it happens.
It's over.
Let's move on.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 01:37:05 pm
I'd be absolutely forgiving if one got a little angry.
Anti-Trumpsters, not all of course, maybe not even half of them but some have seen this as open season to throw insults at anyone who disagrees with them. People like Sink and others seem to be civil, so I am by no means saying everyone.
Those few who have not been civil in discourse and often, like yesterday, seem to pull out conclusions out of thin air.
It poisons the well.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: guitar4jesus on July 20, 2016, 01:37:13 pm
you guys are the nastiest people,i have seen!!! You have no idea about trump.. just those stupid articless that are false!!!!
i am so mad,letme tell you, Donald trump is not the ogor,you,low info voters think,he is!??????
but you go ahead and look stupid,right ahead and look as stupid asmthe deocratsmwantmtou to look... Do not come to us... as they say...youmake you bed you lie in it !!!!!
I'm catching up again...
Did some 12 year old steal this person's account and start posting vague and incoherent hate-grams?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: LonestarDream on July 20, 2016, 01:41:29 pm
Maybe it's because we had 300 more posts than the "LIVE" thread. Or that most of the posters are over here.
Guilty as charged. Congrats, Sink you did well here. As a Trump realist, have only been able to post here and am ok with that.
The NeverTrump have are not always happy with the Trump Realist position, but at least I can post here. Hopefully, we all can have a venue on the site to post.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 20, 2016, 01:41:39 pm
Wow Trumpdolt in complete meltdown mode. Wow! This is actually quite funny and entertaining to watch. Trumpbots can dish it out but not take it so they resort to bans so they can listen to the echo chamber.
But... but... but... I thought we #NeverTrumps weren't relevant? Why all the fuss for an irrelevant group of voters who won't sway the outcome one bit...?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 01:45:29 pm
I'm going to start the OPEN CONVENTION WEDNESDAY thread. This thread will stay open until I can get it closed, but let's put any new stuff over on the Wednesday thread.
I have to confess, I have no idea what just happened here. Let's just go on about our business.
Thank you, sink.
I came back this morning to find out what was going on with the convention, and came back to Trump-instigated garbage.
Thanks for staying calm everyone, while under attack.
Good job!
Look forward to seeing Wednesday's thread.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: For-Q-Clinton on July 20, 2016, 01:48:13 pm
I don't think so. Probably we should just ignore that meltdown.
Good call.
Proceed as though it never happened.........
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 01:51:53 pm
Quote
Maybe it's because we had 300 more posts than the "LIVE" thread. Or that most of the posters are over here.
Whoopie. If the internet is an excuse to freely slander someone; that is not as great of an accomplishment as one could boast it to be. And I think a lot of those posts probably are mean-spirited not contributing to debate.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 01:52:51 pm
Like they were able to in 2016 ... after 8 years of Obama? It is time to get real. It is time to face reality. Too few voters wanted Cruz and even less wanted Kasich and that fact won't change after 12 years of Obama.
There will be even less of a bulwark, Toomey included, against a President Clinton than there was against President Obama. If there is any part of you that wants to stop the Obama years, 2016 is your best and last chance; and their names are Trump/Pence.
:thumbsup:
...though I doubt he'll take your advice. He seems pretty well set. Even to the point of saying he would vote for Hillary Clinton. I won't keep company with people like that. You know the kind. People so wrongheaded, it gives you a headache.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Eowyn on July 20, 2016, 01:53:38 pm
Dear Lord, Protect this child from all harm Hold her in your care Fill her heart with faith and love Hear her every prayer Teach her wisdom Give her strength Guide her on her way Bless this child And help her grow In your loving grace! --Tammy Fox
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: bolobaby on July 20, 2016, 01:54:39 pm
Really? Because it did. And it's indicative of the way Trumpettes view and deal with dissent.
Let's be honest: if that mod had full control over the forum, I'm betting there would be purges happening right now, just like at TOS.
Dark days ahead folks, especially when the fool they nominated gets beaten. That's when the knives for us - the ones who saw it coming - REALLY come out.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 01:54:48 pm
I M so glad you guys were as respectful to us,as we were to you!
Sadly that is a huge lie!
It is so amazing that you guys have the mental capacity to even post on the forum!
Get a life! THE WORLD IS GOING ON,WITHOUT YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT! you can stay on the site, but you will look like the fools,that you are! i own half,of this site,and let me tell you, if you don't get trump,your best place would be at DU with skinner and crew!!!!! My life depends on Trump winning! You are a bunch of whining babies!!!!
Please go get a life!
TRUMP IS THE ONE SO GO TO,YOUR DEM HANDLERS AND GETMTHE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!
WE ARE SO,HAPPY! PEOPLE HAVE no idea what,is going on!!!! i hate your anger, but you fuckon,deserve it
Trump is it!!
Thank you for coming out of the closet finally Mrs. Robinson!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 01:55:43 pm
It's hard to do that when the person who melted down is one of the site owners who sets and enforces the rules and controls access to the forum and all the threads
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 01:59:36 pm
From the tactics of some, if they are making Cruz out to be the authentic conservative, that should be taken to task seeing how the two were pallng around for months just to now be saying others aren't conservatives. But I guess the Cruz-bots don't see that conveniently.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 02:02:10 pm
..... Probably we should just ignore that meltdown.
Well...I can say that on the 'other' site when they piled on my candidate, making it personal and hammering away, there's a thresh hold to tolerating that.... especially when it becomes a ganged up response and the thread is flooded with insults ....The choices are only to either leave the threads or strike back.
People don't get dressed in the morning with a shirt that reads "walk all over me".......rather they often show a great deal of tolerance....but as mentioned that has limits. ......and the response is NOT a meltdown......it's the line has been crossed and time to call it as it is because it needs the saying of, and that usually doesn't happen until all the warnings to back off have been ignored.
Several who oppose Trump here are of the same cut as those who opposed Cruz there.....no different then the crowd at FR........and the threads are beginning to look like them....you can see the slow buildup and then it just takes off. That same "climate change" is happening here.....
IMO every Freeper who came here was an invited guest, and most were looking for some sanity in this election race, others were looking for a place to keep venting their frustrations ....Frankly doing so generally leads those to face the reality of this race and determine what they are going to do about that. ....This site certainly offered me the opportunity to air and work through the concerns I had to arrive at the conclusion I have chosen.... and for that I'm grateful.....Some will continue to take their stand otherwise, but they should not be throwing fire at those who do not agree with their.."critical thinking" when it's anything but that.
If you own property and your invited guests begin to trash that property you have every right to defend it.....and that's just the way it is and certainly understood should be so......
From the tactics of some, if they are making Cruz out to be the authentic conservative, that should be taken to task seeing how the two were pallng around for months just to now be saying others aren't conservatives. But I guess the Cruz-bots don't see that conveniently.
Honestly, I really don't understand the [point your making with the constant reference to earlier in the campaign when Trump and Cruz appeared to be getting along.
How does that reflect on Cruz's demonstrated conservatism, as a Harvard law student, as Texas solicitor general, as senator? I don't get it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: RoosGirl on July 20, 2016, 02:06:52 pm
Oh, yeah, but Cruz did not mind hob-nobbing with Trump as well. So, I guess, let's throw Cruz into these generalizations as well. I listen to Rush Limbaugh, I've heard what Cruz has to say for 20 years before we knew who Ted Cruz is. A good example of the kinds of posts I am speaking of. (http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0e31a4019698f10c02016759774029d0e0ae3f91/r=880&c=880x495/http/wusa-download.edgesuite.net/video/71921292/71921292_Still.jpg)
From the tactics of some, if they are making Cruz out to be the authentic conservative, that should be taken to task seeing how the two were pallng around for months just to now be saying others aren't conservatives. But I guess the Cruz-bots don't see that conveniently.
BTW....that Rally Cruz 'INVITED' Trump to be a part of......
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 02:09:26 pm
My account is still open there. I wasn't kicked out. you seem to have the rejection thingy all bassackwards.
Yep. I suffered a week's suspension for simply saying, "I will never vote for Trump," but my account is still open. I could still go post over there if I wanted.
I walked away from them because it was a pit of insanity.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 02:12:00 pm
Taking for granted that baby Etta and her mother are healthy and thriving and the congratulations and such, can we cut to the really really important stuff...
Is she a #Nevertrump or not!
:0001: :0001:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 02:13:43 pm
I hope truth starts sinking in sooner rather than later.
Support Donald Trump or give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton. Those are the choices. If your choice is to give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton, don't bother conversing with me. I'm not interested in keeping company with you. That's the reason I always avoid places like democratic underground or daily Kos or whatever those leftist sites are.
Those may be YOUR choices but they sure as hell aren't mine!
See ya!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 02:13:52 pm
I voted for Rubio and Cruzers or Trumpers didn't really have the same respect for Rubio either.
Gee you'd almost think that online conservatism breeds a malevolent nastiness. Too many geriatric seniors with too little to do other than post online in an echo chamber where your views are never challenged and anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liberal.
To be honest, I see this stuff in liberal forums like DU and such, but not as bad.
I think the whole phenomenon dates back to people like Douche Limblob, the drug addict phoney, who sell the notion that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is a liberal.
So please, conservatives, stop being stupid. Us smarties will appreciate it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: flowers on July 20, 2016, 02:14:30 pm
I'm not interested in keeping company with you. That's the reason I always avoid places like democratic underground or daily Kos or whatever those leftist sites are.
So that's why you're here on this open thread, right?
:whistle:
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 02:16:03 pm
Honestly, I really don't understand the [point your making with the constant reference to earlier in the campaign when Trump and Cruz appeared to be getting along.
How does that reflect on Cruz's demonstrated conservatism, as a Harvard law student, as Texas solicitor general, as senator? I don't get it.
A lot of the current Trump haters seem to be Cruz supporters.
So, if he, Cruz, is being presented as purer than the driven snow conservative-wise at the cost of trashing Trump; there should be balance and it should be called as phony a persona as what they say about Trump.
And I'll stick by this, all kinds of anti-Trumpers have made nasty remarks, personal attacks;
Gee, does one think one might think of party unity without being branded a Trump supporter?
Detractors have made their bed and they can sleep in it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2016, 02:16:47 pm
I hope truth starts sinking in sooner rather than later.
Support Donald Trump or give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton. Those are the choices. If your choice is to give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton, don't bother conversing with me. I'm not interested in keeping company with you. That's the reason I always avoid places like democratic underground or daily Kos or whatever those leftist sites are.
I haven't seen you this plum crazy since your wife went to the Ford dealership to see a Taurus and the salesman tried to show her his Probe.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 20, 2016, 02:17:03 pm
...though I doubt he'll take your advice. He seems pretty well set. Even to the point of saying he would vote for Hillary Clinton. I won't keep company with people like that. You know the kind. People so wrongheaded, it gives you a headache.
I am fully aware of the consequences of my actions, AC. I've concluded that Trump is more of a threat to the safety of this nation than Clinton, so I cannot vote for him against Clinton. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll vote for Clinton (which would be truly depressing), but that I would rather see Clinton as President than Trump. (And, quite obviously, I think both choices are lousy.)
If you're ever down my way, I'll break open a bottle of my best bourbon if you'd like to chew the fat. I'm sorry you won't keep company with folks like me, but I don't feel the same about you.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 02:18:20 pm
I voted for Rubio and Cruzers or Trumpers didn't really have the same respect for Rubio either.
Gee you'd almost think that online conservatism breeds a malevolent nastiness. Too many geriatric seniors with too little to do other than post online in an echo chamber where your views are never challenged and anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liberal.
To be honest, I see this stuff in liberal forums like DU and such, but not as bad.
I think the whole phenomenon dates back to people like Douche Limblob, the drug addict phoney, who sell the notion that anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is a liberal.
So please, conservatives, stop being stupid. Us smarties will appreciate it.
I like Marco Rubio. I never maligned him. I think he's a rising star - as soon as he gets his act together.
Title: Re: ALTERNATIVE LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 02:19:23 pm
A lot of the current Trump haters seem to be Cruz supporters.
So, if he, Cruz, is being presented as purer than the driven snow conservative-wise at the cost of trashing Trump; there should be balance and it should be called as phony a persona as what they say about Trump.
And I'll stick by this, all kinds of anti-Trumpers have made nasty remarks, personal attacks;
Gee, does one think one might think of party unity without being branded a Trump supporter?
Detractors have made their bed and they can sleep in it.
Fine.
But I still don't get it.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 02:22:43 pm
I applaud Repub4TrumpPence's posts.
What have the anti-Trumpers posted, about prostitutes? Trying to shoe-horn comparisons to the Fuhrer? Talking about toilet paper?
Really great for that 300 more posts. And lot of behavior that does not seem very Christian as well.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 02:23:04 pm
What have the anti-Trumpers posted, about prostitutes? Trying to shoe-horn comparisons to the Fuhrer? Talking about toilet paper?
Really great for that 300 more posts. And lot of behavior that does not seem very Christian as well.
So noted! You are entitled to you opinions!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: TomSea on July 20, 2016, 02:25:16 pm
Obviously, if one screams Trump is not a conservative or whatever catch slogan is used, there really isn't room to make their own choice who was rolling with Trump as some great conservative saint. If Cruz had been that great conservative saint, he would not have allowed all of the mutually beneficial relationship to grow.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 02:25:34 pm
What have the anti-Trumpers posted, about prostitutes? Trying to shoe-horn comparisons to the Fuhrer? Talking about toilet paper?
Really great for that 300 more posts. And lot of behavior that does not seem very Christian as well.
They're blinded by hatred for Donald Trump; they can't see their own bad behavior.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 02:25:40 pm
For anyone to compare this place to FR is ridiculous and asinine, it ain't even close. Who cares if you got a thread where they don't want people crapping all over their preferred candidate? You have your own "space" where you can be as negative as you want.
And I can't stand Trump.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 02:26:45 pm
For anyone to compare this place to FR is ridiculous and asinine, it ain't even close. Who cares if you got a thread where they don't want people crapping all over their preferred candidate? You have your own "space" where you can be as negative as you want.
For anyone to compare this place to FR is ridiculous and asinine, it ain't even close. Who cares if you got a thread where they don't want people crapping all over their preferred candidate? You have your own "space" where you can be as negative as you want.
And I can't stand Trump.
You're making sense. It could be genetic. Or, maybe you're immune to TDS? Whatever the reason, it's always nice to see a little common sense being spoken. :beer:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 02:32:33 pm
What have the anti-Trumpers posted, about prostitutes? Trying to shoe-horn comparisons to the Fuhrer? Talking about toilet paper?
Really great for that 300 more posts. And lot of behavior that does not seem very Christian as well.
Once, just ONCE I would like to see a Trump supporter admit that the current toxic environment within the party was kicked off when their candidate decided, for the first time in my memory anyway, to employ schoolyard insults & underhanded tabloid tactics as a campaign strategy.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 02:32:34 pm
Well...I can say that on the 'other' site when they piled on my candidate, making it personal and hammering away, there's a thresh hold to tolerating that.... especially when it becomes a ganged up response and the thread is flooded with insults ....The choices are only to either leave the threads or strike back.
People don't get dressed in the morning with a shirt that reads "walk all over me".......rather they often show a great deal of tolerance....but as mentioned that has limits. ......and the response is NOT a meltdown......it's the line has been crossed and time to call it as it is because it needs the saying of, and that usually doesn't happen until all the warnings to back off have been ignored.
Several who oppose Trump here are of the same cut as those who opposed Cruz there.....no different then the crowd at FR........and the threads are beginning to look like them....you can see the slow buildup and then it just takes off. That same "climate change" is happening here.....
IMO every Freeper who came here was an invited guest, and most were looking for some sanity in this election race, others were looking for a place to keep venting their frustrations ....Frankly doing so generally leads those to face the reality of this race and determine what they are going to do about that. ....This site certainly offered me the opportunity to air and work through the concerns I had to arrive at the conclusion I have chosen.... and for that I'm grateful.....Some will continue to take their stand otherwise, but they should not be throwing fire at those who do not agree with their.."critical thinking" when it's anything but that.
If you own property and your invited guests begin to trash that property you have every right to defend it.....and that's just the way it is and certainly understood should be so......
Except you don't have to come on THIS thread and read any of the "piling on." You have your OWN thread where you can praise Trump and the Convention to your heart's content.
That's why we have two threads. A fence, in other words.
High fences make good neighbors.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: MACVSOG68 on July 20, 2016, 02:36:03 pm
Congratulations to you and the family. I know you didn't want to have to deal with this today, but some things just cannot be undone even with your fair approach to both sides.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: WAC on July 20, 2016, 02:37:03 pm
It was no secret both Reagans sought in depth Astrological Horoscope readings during, before and after his Presidency. Although they often said it wasn't significant....they never denied ...especially Nancy Reagan......
Once, just ONCE I would like to see a Trump supporter admit that the current toxic environment within the party was kicked off when their candidate decided, for the first time in my memory anyway, to employ schoolyard insults & underhanded tabloid tactics as a campaign strategy.
Is Trump a cause or a symptom? Politics has been a nasty business ever since the 2000 election IMO. Internet politics seems to bring out the worst in people:
I prefer other topics lately. Politics seems to congregate into tribes of stupid people saying stupid things really loudly. And the dumber they are the louder they seem to scream.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:38:40 pm
I hope truth starts sinking in sooner rather than later.
Support Donald Trump or give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton. Those are the choices. If your choice is to give aid and comfort to Hillary Clinton, don't bother conversing with me. I'm not interested in keeping company with you. That's the reason I always avoid places like democratic underground or daily Kos or whatever those leftist sites are.
No, those are not the choices. There are others running in the race, plus my vote is not coerced at the point of a gun. By your logic, my not voting for Hillary is giving aid and comfort to Trump.
You don't have to keep company with us, AC, at least for the next two days. You have your own sandbox to play in and things have been swell with this arrangement.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 02:38:53 pm
Well...I can say that on the 'other' site when they piled on my candidate, making it personal and hammering away, there's a thresh hold to tolerating that.... especially when it becomes a ganged up response and the thread is flooded with insults ....The choices are only to either leave the threads or strike back.
People don't get dressed in the morning with a shirt that reads "walk all over me".......rather they often show a great deal of tolerance....but as mentioned that has limits. ......and the response is NOT a meltdown......it's the line has been crossed and time to call it as it is because it needs the saying of, and that usually doesn't happen until all the warnings to back off have been ignored.
Several who oppose Trump here are of the same cut as those who opposed Cruz there.....no different then the crowd at FR........and the threads are beginning to look like them....you can see the slow buildup and then it just takes off. That same "climate change" is happening here.....
IMO every Freeper who came here was an invited guest, and most were looking for some sanity in this election race, others were looking for a place to keep venting their frustrations ....Frankly doing so generally leads those to face the reality of this race and determine what they are going to do about that. ....This site certainly offered me the opportunity to air and work through the concerns I had to arrive at the conclusion I have chosen.... and for that I'm grateful.....Some will continue to take their stand otherwise, but they should not be throwing fire at those who do not agree with their.."critical thinking" when it's anything but that.
If you own property and your invited guests begin to trash that property you have every right to defend it.....and that's just the way it is and certainly understood should be so......
You have calmly resolved to compromise, deny, or rationalize whatever pesky principles you may have had to come to the conclusion you wish to support the candidate. I understand the 'lesser evil' concept, and in the past have fallen victim to that dichotomy. I see you seem to be at ease with that, and sincerely hope you find whatever fulfillment you seek there.
Some of us will not go quietly into that night, if we go at all. We have decided, after repeatedly doing the same thing and somehow expecting a different result, to try something different. We are not voting for those who embrace and even practice what we find repugnant, even if they do purport to agree on the fundamentals of some issues.
Sadly, the compromise the candidate made which is most off-putting was not one on a specific issue, but one of honesty. The candidate continues to display this fundamental lack, even in small things, which belies a deeper problem, no matter how well concealed by glitz, co-conspirators, attorneys, exuberantly optimistic fans, or the media. If a candidate will lie about little things when they don't have to, then they have betrayed a fundamentally adversarial relationship with the truth.
I am not so naive as to expect every statement of intent from a candidate to be gospel, but I do expect when they say they support a position for them to do so, at least voice requests to the appropriate branch or agency of government to make it so. What I did not expect was a tirade of untruths to be unleashed against another candidate, in succession, timed and of the type to most negatively affect the contest at hand, for the sole purpose of character assassination and to dominate media time which could have been devoted to issues. It has been said there is no such thing as bad press, and for those who simply want to be seen, that may be, but for someone for whom integrity is paramount, bad press is bad press, and a lot of bad press, especially based on falsehoods, is a problem. It is that fundamental wrong, which while I cannot right it, I can damn sure not support the source. And I will not. Other reasons exist as well, but the fundamental element of trust simply does not exist.
I don't support Hillary, either, so let's get that canard off the table, but I know she will be a crook. I know she will try to subvert the Constitution in ways that her opponent has supported in the past, in fact, he has supported her, herself, in her quest for political power and the benefits which come with it. This does not engender trust either, nor any faith in his alleged epiphanies to conservatism. So I am left with no meaningful choice, perhaps, as elections go, but there are millions like me, perhaps more after my State and ten others were handed the foul end of the stick and ignored in their petition to the chair at the Convention. Many people are reconsidering their support for the GOP now, even more than those here who simply did not like the candidate.
Were this dissatisfaction gathered into a third party, that party would have an effect, and quite possibly grow as those who have supported the GOP candidate inevitably experience 'buyers remorse' should he be elected. (I have little doubt, if he fails to be elected, that the blame will be directed at those of us who said he was unsuitable from the start, by the hardcore 40% of the GOP (and crossovers) who voted for him in the primaries who simply could not sell our souls to support him.)
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2016, 02:40:56 pm
Here's the deal...Trump people stay off this thread!..never Trump people will reciprocate and stay off yours..
I would sure like to go to the hosp to see our new baby than try to mitigate this...Please
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2016, 02:41:24 pm
Is Trump a cause or a symptom? Politics has been a nasty business ever since the 2000 election IMO. Internet politics seems to bring out the worst in people:
I prefer other topics lately. Politics seems to congregate into tribes of stupid people saying stupid things really loudly. And the dumber they are the louder they seem to scream.
Trump is both a cause and a symptom.
I do not believe anyone can claim in all honesty that there has been a presidential candidate as crude and overtly abusive as he in their lifetime.
Anyway, no big deal. Just an observation.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 20, 2016, 02:42:17 pm
Except you don't have to come on THIS thread and read any of the "piling on." You have your OWN thread where you can praise Trump and the Convention to your heart's content.
That's why we have two threads. A fence, in other words. High fences make good neighbors.
If that's what you want @Sinkspur--then why not remove the "Open" from the title of your thread and acquire a moderator who will delete whatever is considered unproductive :bs: ?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 20, 2016, 02:42:35 pm
OK, who wants to start a pool on how the Trump Campaign will screw up the convention today?
Paul Ryan announced the results of the Delegate floor vote for the nomination a little after 8 p.m. last night. To wit:
Donald Trump -- 1725 votes
Ted Cruz -- 475 votes
John "Whatta Weasel" Kasich -- 120 votes
Marco Rubio -- 114 votes
Ben Carson -- 7 votes
Jeb Bush -- 3 votes
Rand Paul -- 2 votes
I don't think there's anything there for Trump to screw up. But heaven only knows what we can expect from Ted Cruz tonight. He still has not endorsed, and the Trump people/RNC are not planning on vetting, or even seeing, his speech before he gives it. Should be interesting.
If that's what you want @sinkspur--then why not remove the "Open" from the title of your thread and acquire a moderator who will delete whatever is considered unproductive :bs: ?
Yeah, and censor it and boot posters just like you Trumpists did with your "official" thread?
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:48:38 pm
If that's what you want @sinkspur--then why not remove the "Open" from the title of your thread and acquire a moderator who will delete whatever is considered unproductive :bs: ?
I don't get posters bitching about what's said over HERE when they don't have to come over HERE.
It's an OPEN thread; no deleted posts. And we have a moderator: me.
I really want to shut this thread down and have everyone post on the WEDNESDAY thread. It's a new day and we all deserve a fresh start.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 02:49:35 pm
They're blinded by hatred for Donald Trump; they can't see their own bad behavior.
That's the assumption I find amusing, projection perhaps? You see, I don't hate Trump. I just find him to be an unacceptable applicant for the job of POTUS. Of the two candidates (Hillary and Trump), if I was running the HR department, I'd re-post the help wanted ad.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: sinkspur on July 20, 2016, 02:50:37 pm
Well, aside from owning half of an internet site that could be something other than a wannabe trump echo chamber, I think you should drink less before pissing off your members. Trump is it, though. Trump is the end of the GOP. My state delegation and ten others were denied their right under the rules to call for a roll call vote, through strong arm tactics and just plain cheating.
Nothing like insisting everyone else go by the rules and breaking them yourselves.
Many of us saw this early on, while you people were projecting your sins on others like Liberal Democrats, but now, now, you have done it.
I formally renounce any connection with the Republican Party. The Democrat Party never had any, nor will they ever. If you want Trump, by all means, elect him if you can. I expect to see you next to the New Black Pampers with large sticks at the polls, just part of the receiving line. When Trump, the election, the country don't go where you think they will, I only have one thing to say. Stay out of my yard or I'll make you one with it, and I hate shovel work.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Timber Rattler on July 20, 2016, 02:51:11 pm
...by cheating, coercion, lying, intimidation, and outright threats of physical violence against dissenting delegates. Yeah, that's good news all right.
:3:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 20, 2016, 02:51:24 pm
No, those are not the choices. There are others running in the race, plus my vote is not coerced at the point of a gun. By your logic, my not voting for Hillary is giving aid and comfort to Trump.
You don't have to keep company with us, AC, at least for the next two days. You have your own sandbox to play in and things have been swell with this arrangement.
Let AC come here. I have him on ignore anyway. :-D
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 02:53:55 pm
Here's the deal...Trump people stay off this thread!..never Trump people will reciprocate and stay off yours..
I would sure like to go to the hosp to see our new baby than try to mitigate this...Please
Congratulations on the birth of your grandchild.
Sorry this all came down at the same time...but, your suggestion is ridiculous. You won't be able to put a lid on this and successfully segregate your membership. We are bound to interact and there will be friction.
What's needed here is leadership. Are we to promote the Republican nominee or the Democrat? Which will it be? We put up with a full calendar year of insults to our persons. Last night that all ended - Donald Trump is the Republican nominee for president.
Once, just ONCE I would like to see a Trump supporter admit that the current toxic environment within the party was kicked off when their candidate decided, for the first time in my memory anyway, to employ schoolyard insults & underhanded tabloid tactics as a campaign strategy.
That's just nonsense......the GOPe began this in the halls of Washington.......have you not been paying attention to what they said and did with Cruz and his team when he went up against them?.......The Party has been at war, and brutally nasty, long before Trump even entered the race.....but Cruz had to retain his position by being far more diplomatic in his approach.....calling them the "Washington Cartel" was about as strong as he could go and that did speak volumes to those who were aware of the fights and tactics against Cruz.
Trump on the other hand had nothing to loose by calling them all out who stood in his way.....no doubt playing hard ball because he was set to expose them all come what may.....and frankly everybody loved what he was doing when he first hit the race......few took his Presidential run seriously so they were all enjoying "the ride" of this exposure......until he went after those who stood in the way of his win.
Anyone who thinks Washington is all about statesmanship and cushy political responses is blind to the reality of what goes on behind those doors......
The eye injury and 'several others'....Reid said was the result when an exercise band snapped and “catapulted” him into cabinets ......
What have the anti-Trumpers posted, about prostitutes? Trying to shoe-horn comparisons to the Fuhrer? Talking about toilet paper?
Really great for that 300 more posts. And lot of behavior that does not seem very Christian as well.
I too, applaud @Repub4TrumpPence for her posts! It is beyond frustrating to try to move forward in this crucial election while a bunch of childish NeverThings post lies, insults and anything negative they can find on the Internet about Trump, his family and his supporters.
Do they not think that their little spiels are not fodder for Hillary's campaign? Do they not think that they are helping HER?
I'll tell you what I think - they don't care! Many of them brag that they stayed home rather than vote for Romney - despite the consequences of that - and now, ironically, they are siding with Romney and his ilk. People like that are nothing but bumps in the road.
I don't give a hooey about your third party candidates and you core principles that allow you to ride off in the sunset on a high and mighty white horse - walk away from the fight and blame the loss of the battle of those who stayed and fought with every weapon they could muster. Anyone who walks away from this fight is a sniveling coward!
The toilet paper jokes, the Melania jokes, the orange jokes, the Hitler/Nazi references, the lies that we are going to KILL you (for God's sake!!!)......you are correct TomSea - not Christian at all. You people make me physically ill.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 02:59:30 pm
That's just nonsense......the GOPe began this in the halls of Washington.......have you not been paying attention to what they said and did with Cruz and his team when he went up against them?.......The Party has been at war, and brutally nasty, long before Trump even entered the race.....but Cruz had to retain his position by being far more diplomatic in his approach.....calling them the "Washington Cartel" was about as strong as he could go and that did speak volumes to those who were aware of the fights and tactics against Cruz.
Trump on the other hand had nothing to loose by calling them all out who stood in his way.....no doubt playing hard ball because he was set to expose them all come what may.....and frankly everybody loved what he was doing when he first hit the race......few took his Presidential run seriously so they were all enjoying "the ride" of this exposure......until he went after those who stood in the way of his win.
Anyone who thinks Washington is all about statesmanship and cushy political responses is blind to the reality of what goes on behind those doors......
The eye injury and 'several others'....Reid said was the result when an exercise band snapped and “catapulted” him into cabinets ......
He also had the most delegates vote against him: 721.
A trivial and meaningless factoid.
17 candidates. I'm sure you understand what that means...well maybe not so sure. After all, you #NeverTrumps are expert at avoiding reality...until last night.
Donald J Trump is the Republican nominee for president. Just wanted to mention that, just in case that fact hadn't filtered through that fog of denial surrounding you.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Bigun on July 20, 2016, 03:01:17 pm
I too, applaud @Repub4TrumpPence for her posts! It is beyond frustrating to try to move forward in this crucial election while a bunch of childish NeverThings post lies, insults and anything negative they can find on the Internet about Trump, his family and his supporters.
Do they not think that their little spiels are not fodder for Hillary's campaign? Do they not think that they are helping HER?
I'll tell you what I think - they don't care! Many of them brag that they stayed home rather than vote for Romney - despite the consequences of that - and now, ironically, they are siding with Romney and his ilk. People like that are nothing but bumps in the road.
I don't give a hooey about your third party candidates and you core principles that allow you to ride off in the sunset on a high and mighty white horse - walk away from the fight and blame the loss of the battle of those who stayed and fought with every weapon they could muster. Anyone who walks away from this fight is a sniveling coward!
The toilet paper jokes, the Melania jokes, the orange jokes, the Hitler/Nazi references, the lies that we are going to KILL you (for God's sake!!!)......you are correct TomSea - not Christian at all. You people make me physically ill.
There is no help for the wilfully blind! Let's see how that works out for you!
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Resp3 on July 20, 2016, 03:03:57 pm
I want all Trump people off....sorry to say that but it is best for the forum...please
With all due respect the only way that is going to happen is to delete their posts, sadly they simply do not respect you or the forum enough to comply with your wishes.
BTW Congratulations, go see that newborn, who is no doubt more mature than some of those here....
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: aligncare on July 20, 2016, 03:09:03 pm
I too, applaud @Repub4TrumpPence for her posts! It is beyond frustrating to try to move forward in this crucial election while a bunch of childish NeverThings post lies, insults and anything negative they can find on the Internet about Trump, his family and his supporters.
Do they not think that their little spiels are not fodder for Hillary's campaign? Do they not think that they are helping HER?
I'll tell you what I think - they don't care! Many of them brag that they stayed home rather than vote for Romney - despite the consequences of that - and now, ironically, they are siding with Romney and his ilk. People like that are nothing but bumps in the road.
I don't give a hooey about your third party candidates and you core principles that allow you to ride off in the sunset on a high and mighty white horse - walk away from the fight and blame the loss of the battle of those who stayed and fought with every weapon they could muster. Anyone who walks away from this fight is a sniveling coward!
The toilet paper jokes, the Melania jokes, the orange jokes, the Hitler/Nazi references, the lies that we are going to KILL you (for God's sake!!!)......you are correct TomSea - not Christian at all. You people make me physically ill.
Your speaking truth makes you look taller and slender. Did you know that about yourself? :beer:
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Sanguine on July 20, 2016, 03:10:46 pm
I too, applaud @Repub4TrumpPence for her posts! It is beyond frustrating to try to move forward in this crucial election while a bunch of childish NeverThings post lies, insults and anything negative they can find on the Internet about Trump, his family and his supporters.
Do they not think that their little spiels are not fodder for Hillary's campaign? Do they not think that they are helping HER?
I'll tell you what I think - they don't care! Many of them brag that they stayed home rather than vote for Romney - despite the consequences of that - and now, ironically, they are siding with Romney and his ilk. People like that are nothing but bumps in the road.
I don't give a hooey about your third party candidates and you core principles that allow you to ride off in the sunset on a high and mighty white horse - walk away from the fight and blame the loss of the battle of those who stayed and fought with every weapon they could muster. Anyone who walks away from this fight is a sniveling coward!
The toilet paper jokes, the Melania jokes, the orange jokes, the Hitler/Nazi references, the lies that we are going to KILL you (for God's sake!!!)......you are correct TomSea - not Christian at all. You people make me physically ill.
Great... gasoline on the fire.
Title: Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - TUESDAY, JULY 19
Post by: Mod1 on July 20, 2016, 03:11:44 pm